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« Reply #580 on: June 29, 2005, 12:30:14 AM »

Absolut....what happened? Did you guys slam the doors shut? I can hear crickets in here!
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« Reply #581 on: June 29, 2005, 12:30:27 AM »

I wonder if it's possible for TES to do a night dive?  According to one of the divers I saw interviewed tonight they did not dive today.  He said he was flying home tomorrow, and could not fly for 24 hours after diving.

He also indicated that all the cell phones from media and others was interfering with the divers communication gear.

Tim Miller said they did not finish searching that lake/swamp.  Others noticed he seemed pretty down last night.  I just wonder if they would try to do a night dive (if possible) to throw off the media?
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« Reply #582 on: June 29, 2005, 12:30:28 AM »

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Ellas mom, I don't know how to show a response , so I will respond this way.

I do not think they are smart enough.  I do however think that if this was the case, they have done this before, and so has PVDS.  They are not paid to think, just do.  

After all, how does JVDS have this much money to blow gambling?  And why are he and PVDS in the same place hanging out sometimes?

As I said, just a thought.  But these kids may get paid big bucks to be the lure.  

And where is this mysterious chatty plane passenger?

I thought maybe I could contribute why a person wouldn't be on a return flight. My husband has done a lot of work at the refinery in Aruba and sometimes he is sent down at the last minute. From US to Aruba you are REQUIRED to purchase a ROUND trip ticket, so when they make his reservations they just pick a date based on when they think his work will be finished, very seldom is it the same day that the original ticket was made for. He has to change it through the airline when he is actually ready to return. There are a lot of american contractors working in the refinery and I think most of them use this method. Been reading faithfully for about 2 weeks and finally thought I may have something to contribute.

That sounds like a logical explanation. I am thinking since we never heard anything more on this, maybe the man has been located?


what man? Kerin

Owl..the man we keep hearing about who was on Natalee's flight to Aruba but could not be located as far as his return.


Jeremy Edward Brown?
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« Reply #583 on: June 29, 2005, 12:30:38 AM »

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Ellas mom, I don't know how to show a response , so I will respond this way.

I do not think they are smart enough.  I do however think that if this was the case, they have done this before, and so has PVDS.  They are not paid to think, just do.  

After all, how does JVDS have this much money to blow gambling?  And why are he and PVDS in the same place hanging out sometimes?

As I said, just a thought.  But these kids may get paid big bucks to be the lure.  

And where is this mysterious chatty plane passenger?

I thought maybe I could contribute why a person wouldn't be on a return flight. My husband has done a lot of work at the refinery in Aruba and sometimes he is sent down at the last minute. From US to Aruba you are REQUIRED to purchase a ROUND trip ticket, so when they make his reservations they just pick a date based on when they think his work will be finished, very seldom is it the same day that the original ticket was made for. He has to change it through the airline when he is actually ready to return. There are a lot of american contractors working in the refinery and I think most of them use this method. Been reading faithfully for about 2 weeks and finally thought I may have something to contribute.

That sounds like a logical explanation. I am thinking since we never heard anything more on this, maybe the man has been located?


what man? Kerin

Owl..the man we keep hearing about who was on Natalee's flight to Aruba but could not be located as far as his return.


He probably took a boat to Curacao or Venezuela and bought a return flight from there.
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« Reply #584 on: June 29, 2005, 12:30:49 AM »

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WHen he was first released he mentioned nothing about the father, now there it is. If he thought the dad was involved then I think that would have been big news and he would have said it. And he would not have said the "three". He would have said the father was in on it.
Now he says family, he doesn't know who in family, but that father was involved in story.
But he did not say this on two video interviews when he was first released and was telling his story about Deepak conversation......that is my point


Think about it!  Mickey said "THE THREE"!  But did he say who the three were?  I don't think so!  

Now, when the Twitty posse showed up in the middle of the night (the first night after Nat disappears) who was at the house (when they returned from the wild goose chase to the casino)?  Jr, and Depak(or was it Satish)leaning on the car? And how long was it before the "family" came out to the road(before the goose chase) ?  30 +/- minutes! (wonder what was going on in the house?)
Prior to the posse showing up, there was no reason for the amigos, the family or anyone at the house to think there was anything to hide(unless guilt preceeded the posse)Right?  As of that time how would they know that Nat was missing?  Only one reason, and that seems obvious! (maybe guilty or something! )
The lies were first revealed there and then, by the three, Jr., Depak(or Satish?) and Papa!  ie "THE FAMILY"!

Or sumpin like that! Sotaspeak!

VIDEO AT 10:00!
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« Reply #585 on: June 29, 2005, 12:31:36 AM »

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I won't argue the tuition thing, but with three, that is about 35,000 in tuition.  

Mine when to Catholic school, we got no discount and my tuition was 4,000 each.  I could barely make it on teachers pay.


Pay in Aruba must be high then.  In Texas state scale tops at 40,000 and you never get another raise  (and in my part of the state the districts pay state scale), so I tend to keep thinking about a teacher only making mid 30's.  

I forget that most places we are better paid.

Note to self, check on teaching jobs in Aruba.  Wink


Don't teacher's kids get free tuition at private schools?
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« Reply #586 on: June 29, 2005, 12:32:03 AM »

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Absolut....what happened? Did you guys slam the doors shut? I can hear crickets in here!


12:30 on the EST does this. Some people sleep. Sshhhhhh, I know it looks like I post all night.
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« Reply #587 on: June 29, 2005, 12:32:15 AM »

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Absolut....what happened? Did you guys slam the doors shut? I can hear crickets in here!


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« Reply #588 on: June 29, 2005, 12:32:19 AM »

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Ellas mom, I don't know how to show a response , so I will respond this way.

I do not think they are smart enough.  I do however think that if this was the case, they have done this before, and so has PVDS.  They are not paid to think, just do.  

After all, how does JVDS have this much money to blow gambling?  And why are he and PVDS in the same place hanging out sometimes?

As I said, just a thought.  But these kids may get paid big bucks to be the lure.  

And where is this mysterious chatty plane passenger?

I thought maybe I could contribute why a person wouldn't be on a return flight. My husband has done a lot of work at the refinery in Aruba and sometimes he is sent down at the last minute. From US to Aruba you are REQUIRED to purchase a ROUND trip ticket, so when they make his reservations they just pick a date based on when they think his work will be finished, very seldom is it the same day that the original ticket was made for. He has to change it through the airline when he is actually ready to return. There are a lot of american contractors working in the refinery and I think most of them use this method. Been reading faithfully for about 2 weeks and finally thought I may have something to contribute.

That sounds like a logical explanation. I am thinking since we never heard anything more on this, maybe the man has been located?


what man? Kerin

Owl..the man we keep hearing about who was on Natalee's flight to Aruba but could not be located as far as his return.


Jeremy Edward Brown?

I have no idea of his name...sorry. But I "thought" someone posted a few pages back that Jereny is a MBHS student...and I have NO idea if they are missing or not. (posts were flying by at that time)
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« Reply #589 on: June 29, 2005, 12:33:18 AM »

I don't think Ms Renfro has agenda. Sure she wants to protect her country, but since this first started airing she has been forthright with interviewers and sympathetic with Holloways but she doesn't allow MSM to twist her words. If  they speculate with rumor she corrects them. I see nothing wrong with that. She should give lessons.
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« Reply #590 on: June 29, 2005, 12:33:31 AM »

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Absolut....what happened? Did you guys slam the doors shut? I can hear crickets in here!


12:30 on the EST does this. Some people sleep. Sshhhhhh, I know it looks like I post all night.


:::tiptoeing:::
sleep? i gave that up. FOM did too.  Laughing
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« Reply #591 on: June 29, 2005, 12:33:44 AM »

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Greetings to all.  I've been reading your posts for the past 10 days and I am equally confused as to what really happened.

However, lately I've gotten a gut feeling that Natalee was run over by Deepak's car as she was trying to escape Joran's advances.  All three boys were together.  All three know where Natalee is.
Well.  That's a scenario I hadn't tried out.  But wouldn't damage to the car be evident?  Like they chased her down with the car?
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« Reply #592 on: June 29, 2005, 12:33:45 AM »

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I wonder if it's possible for TES to do a night dive?  According to one of the divers I saw interviewed tonight they did not dive today.  He said he was flying home tomorrow, and could not fly for 24 hours after diving.

He also indicated that all the cell phones from media and others was interfering with the divers communication gear.

Tim Miller said they did not finish searching that lake/swamp.  Others noticed he seemed pretty down last night.  I just wonder if they would try to do a night dive (if possible) to throw off the media?


I did see that video with Tim Miller last night too. He did look down. Washed out, this search and recovery on this island, with the heat and all must be gruelling. I also noticed that by his reactions, it was probably no hope in finding Natalee. Very sad. The dogs must have been thrown off by the high winds yesterday, how could they be able to pick up a scent with those winds and rough terrain.

My heart goes out to this rescue team.
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« Reply #593 on: June 29, 2005, 12:34:07 AM »

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WHen he was first released he mentioned nothing about the father, now there it is. If he thought the dad was involved then I think that would have been big news and he would have said it. And he would not have said the "three". He would have said the father was in on it.
Now he says family, he doesn't know who in family, but that father was involved in story.
But he did not say this on two video interviews when he was first released and was telling his story about Deepak conversation......that is my point


Think about it!  Mickey said "THE THREE"!  But did he say who the three were?  I don't think so!  

Now, when the Twitty posse showed up in the middle of the night (the first night after Nat disappears) who was at the house (when they returned from the wild goose chase to the casino)?  Jr, and Depak(or was it Satish)leaning on the car? And how long was it before the "family" came out to the road(before the goose chase) ?  30 +/- minutes! (wonder what was going on in the house?)
Prior to the posse showing up, there was no reason for the amigos, the family or anyone at the house to think there was anything to hide(unless guilt preceeded the posse)Right?  As of that time how would they know that Nat was missing?  Only one reason, and that seems obvious! (maybe guilty or something!
The lies were first revealed there and then, by the three, Jr., Depak(or Satish?) and Papa!  ie "THE FAMILY"!

Or sumpin like that! Sotaspeak!

VIDEO AT 10:00!


Great post. It could have been cept PVDS was with the posse at the casino. So it had to be before that.
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« Reply #594 on: June 29, 2005, 12:34:13 AM »

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Just curious..for some reason one particular poster sticks out in my mind and they were on here for just a day or two but made over 100 posts in that short time that had really strange info in them..name was RazzyBerry...anyone remember them?

RazzyBerry was banned


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« Reply #595 on: June 29, 2005, 12:34:48 AM »

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q.  is there a crematory on aruba?

q.  did the "godfather" or papa vds have access to it (crematory) if so?

q.  how does this not fit - joran and nh gets dropped off at home...one or all "have fun"....natalee either dies at their hands, or dies from date rape drug (or other cause), joran asks papa for help....papa makes call...NEXT DAY in one of papa's car - natalee is taken to town crematory and body - along with id's, clothes, etc....is permanenty reduced to ashes....


Theres an oil refinery. The fellow with his throat slit found at the cemetary worked at the refinery. Its an oil refinery--- well dont they need high heat to refine oil ??


Ok....so where is this refinery on the island...and does anyone have any real reason to believe that the body was necessarily disposed of the night Natalee disappeared...   didn't anyone notice that Deepak and Joran were gone and strangely appeared back at house the next night after Beth's family arrived?

It seems a bit much to truly hide a body very, very well in only 50 minutes....and while papa sloot may or may not have helped dispose of it...what stopped him from "thinking" of good spot to permanently rid themselves of ALL evidence?  

How does this not corresponde with a sick or dead Natalee in the boys car - getting dropped off or delivered to the vds homestead - raped/killed, or arrived dead - papa notified of the trouble - kids sent to school/work next morning - and problem "dealt with" next day????  What stopped them from simply storing Natalee's body overnight in Jorans apt?

Why does the timeline DEMAND she is disposed of in a window of 50 minutes to 2 hours????


The write up in the paper about the dead man in the cemetary said he worked at the refinery. I do not know where that refinery is located.
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« Reply #596 on: June 29, 2005, 12:34:51 AM »

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q.  is there a crematory on aruba?

q.  did the "godfather" or papa vds have access to it (crematory) if so?

q.  how does this not fit - joran and nh gets dropped off at home...one or all "have fun"....natalee either dies at their hands, or dies from date rape drug (or other cause), joran asks papa for help....papa makes call...NEXT DAY in one of papa's car - natalee is taken to town crematory and body - along with id's, clothes, etc....is permanenty reduced to ashes....


Theres an oil refinery. The fellow with his throat slit found at the cemetary worked at the refinery. Its an oil refinery--- well dont they need high heat to refine oil ??


Ok....so where is this refinery on the island...and does anyone have any real reason to believe that the body was necessarily disposed of the night Natalee disappeared...   didn't anyone notice that Deepak and Joran were gone and strangely appeared back at house the next night after Beth's family arrived?

It seems a bit much to truly hide a body very, very well in only 50 minutes....and while papa sloot may or may not have helped dispose of it...what stopped him from "thinking" of good spot to permanently rid themselves of ALL evidence?  

How does this not corresponde with a sick or dead Natalee in the boys car - getting dropped off or delivered to the vds homestead - raped/killed, or arrived dead - papa notified of the trouble - kids sent to school/work next morning - and problem "dealt with" next day????  What stopped them from simply storing Natalee's body overnight in Jorans apt?

Why does the timeline DEMAND she is disposed of in a window of 50 minutes to 2 hours????


After reading your theory, I think you could be on to something here.  So far this would make the most sense to me beings there is absolutrly nothing left of her....everything, gone.   And there does not have to be a timeline on the nite of her disappearance,  moving body later makes more sense.  I hope this info. is something they are checking into. Ashes can still be run for DNA at least I have heard....
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« Reply #597 on: June 29, 2005, 12:35:20 AM »

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MSNBC's Martin Savidge reported tonight that the van der Straten / "godfather" connection was completely false.  So there's apparently no clear bias that contributed to the bungling - yippee!  No explanation for why gov't/ law enforcement didn't attack these reports themselves.  Perhaps they wanted to make sure that consistency was maintained and the sensible course was not taken.

The Aruban attorney commentator with Greta described Paulus' "waiver" of his familial privilege re: Joran.   She seemed to indicate that he could invoke his right not to testify at any time, for any specific question.  Doesn't sound like much of a waiver to me.  

The vibe I got from that attorney/ commentator was that she felt the prosecution was going to have trouble meeting the burden for next Tuesday's checkpoint.  Nothing concrete about that.

The reporting on Texas Equusearch today - I noted the request for Dutch Marine assistance to make "one last push" - indicates that success for a blind search of this scope is a pipe dream.

I found Mickey's description of his arrest interesting.  Police and prosecutors bust in at dawn, ransack the place.  Kinda sounds like they went in like a bunch of cow... oh, never mind.

Yes; it's another reason just not to go to Aruba and become missing; all is happy as long as you're able to get the hell off that island and get back home.
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« Reply #598 on: June 29, 2005, 12:35:21 AM »

do we know what family was in the house when the posse arrived?  who was in town, joran and his dad?  what about the other two kids?
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« Reply #599 on: June 29, 2005, 12:36:29 AM »

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Just curious..for some reason one particular poster sticks out in my mind and they were on here for just a day or two but made over 100 posts in that short time that had really strange info in them..name was RazzyBerry...anyone remember them?


what was so strange?


Not sure, they just gave me the heeby jeebies..o.k. I won't mention the name again.
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