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« Reply #600 on: June 29, 2005, 12:36:37 AM »

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i read the transcript yesterday of Mrs VDS interview with greta and I remembering her say that only some of Jorans classes were AP. I think he had a mixture if thats possible.  i will try to find the quote.


Yeah, most kids don't have all AP classes. But the point is, apparently from the person who posted on the timeline link, Joran was not one of those on the island who took ANY AP tests.

Which means he had to take all his finals or he wouldn't graduate.

But I still want to know if mama lied (I mean is EVERYONE in this family pathalogical??) or if Joran dropped out of the AP classes for some reason and went back to the regular classes.


If Joran had a 4.0, he may have been exempt from final exams!
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« Reply #601 on: June 29, 2005, 12:36:46 AM »

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i read the transcript yesterday of Mrs VDS interview with greta and I remembering her say that only some of Jorans classes were AP. I think he had a mixture if thats possible.  i will try to find the quote.


Yeah, most kids don't have all AP classes. But the point is, apparently from the person who posted on the timeline link, Joran was not one of those on the island who took ANY AP tests.

Which means he had to take all his finals or he wouldn't graduate.

But I still want to know if mama lied (I mean is EVERYONE in this family pathalogical??) or if Joran dropped out of the AP classes for some reason and went back to the regular classes.


Either this family is pathological liers and/or is surely not familar with the monkeys or the media circus.
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« Reply #602 on: June 29, 2005, 12:37:26 AM »

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Todays show Greta on the record, really tightens the time line for that faithful monday..here is what I got...

1.30am-2.30am   Lie #1 Cruising at California Lighthouse,

      Lie #2 Fisherman’s Hut/ Arashi Beach?.

1.30-1.45am
Half truth 1.
Deepak and Satish drops off Joran near the Marriot Inn after visiting Cali Lighthouse


2.40am      
Joran calls Deepak via Cellphone? Maybe asking for lift or help.

3.30am      
Joran reaches home at Montana #19, Text Msg Deepak?

4.00am      
PVDS picks up his Son? Geraldo reported this but not sure if it was bs or not...according to AVDS Paulus was fast asleep.

6.00am 7.00am
Joran in school, confirmed by Ms Renfrom or arubatoday.com


1.30-1.45am Question - are you SURE this is a true statement?  could it not be the reported "around 2am" trip over in direction of Montanje (Joran's)

2.40am  Question - could it not be Joran calling to say he "told dad something bad happened tonight"

3.30am Question - could this not be JOran calling to say - come by tomorrow - dad wants to talk to us all - he said "he will figure out what to do"

4.00am - could be total BS considering source is Geraldo

6.00am 7.00am Papa Sloot makes sure hungover sonny gets on bus to school to establish alibi

6:00 ish phone call from south end of island - Joran calls buddies to remind them to be at his house as they need to meet with papa sloot

evening.....after school....

papa and 3 amigos meet around pool and come up with a plan...perhaps Satish not there....

Deepak and Joran execute papa sloots plan.

Anyone have a problem with this version and why it don't work?????


Works for me. Now how are you at getting 17 year olds to confess?
And then there's little Stevie Croes...
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« Reply #603 on: June 29, 2005, 12:37:46 AM »

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Ellas mom, I don't know how to show a response , so I will respond this way.

I do not think they are smart enough.  I do however think that if this was the case, they have done this before, and so has PVDS.  They are not paid to think, just do.  

After all, how does JVDS have this much money to blow gambling?  And why are he and PVDS in the same place hanging out sometimes?

As I said, just a thought.  But these kids may get paid big bucks to be the lure.  

And where is this mysterious chatty plane passenger?

I thought maybe I could contribute why a person wouldn't be on a return flight. My husband has done a lot of work at the refinery in Aruba and sometimes he is sent down at the last minute. From US to Aruba you are REQUIRED to purchase a ROUND trip ticket, so when they make his reservations they just pick a date based on when they think his work will be finished, very seldom is it the same day that the original ticket was made for. He has to change it through the airline when he is actually ready to return. There are a lot of american contractors working in the refinery and I think most of them use this method. Been reading faithfully for about 2 weeks and finally thought I may have something to contribute.


TY. Do you know how many months you can legally stay in aruba without a visa? Is it three months?
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« Reply #604 on: June 29, 2005, 12:38:28 AM »

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Micky John (Security Guard) was sweating quite profusely when talking to Greta.  Perhaps some will think that makes him guilty  Laughing
Maybe Greta just has that effect on me Rolling Eyes
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« Reply #605 on: June 29, 2005, 12:39:34 AM »

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q.  is there a crematory on aruba?

q.  did the "godfather" or papa vds have access to it (crematory) if so?

q.  how does this not fit - joran and nh gets dropped off at home...one or all "have fun"....natalee either dies at their hands, or dies from date rape drug (or other cause), joran asks papa for help....papa makes call...NEXT DAY in one of papa's car - natalee is taken to town crematory and body - along with id's, clothes, etc....is permanenty reduced to ashes....


Theres an oil refinery. The fellow with his throat slit found at the cemetary worked at the refinery. Its an oil refinery--- well dont they need high heat to refine oil ??

The refinery is on the opposite end of the island from the hotels. San Nicholas.

Ok....so where is this refinery on the island...and does anyone have any real reason to believe that the body was necessarily disposed of the night Natalee disappeared...   didn't anyone notice that Deepak and Joran were gone and strangely appeared back at house the next night after Beth's family arrived?

It seems a bit much to truly hide a body very, very well in only 50 minutes....and while papa sloot may or may not have helped dispose of it...what stopped him from "thinking" of good spot to permanently rid themselves of ALL evidence?  

How does this not corresponde with a sick or dead Natalee in the boys car - getting dropped off or delivered to the vds homestead - raped/killed, or arrived dead - papa notified of the trouble - kids sent to school/work next morning - and problem "dealt with" next day????  What stopped them from simply storing Natalee's body overnight in Jorans apt?

Why does the timeline DEMAND she is disposed of in a window of 50 minutes to 2 hours????


After reading your theory, I think you could be on to something here.  So far this would make the most sense to me beings there is absolutrly nothing left of her....everything, gone.   And there does not have to be a timeline on the nite of her disappearance,  moving body later makes more sense.  I hope this info. is something they are checking into. Ashes can still be run for DNA at least I have heard....
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« Reply #606 on: June 29, 2005, 12:39:34 AM »

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q.  is there a crematory on aruba?

q.  did the "godfather" or papa vds have access to it (crematory) if so?

q.  how does this not fit - joran and nh gets dropped off at home...one or all "have fun"....natalee either dies at their hands, or dies from date rape drug (or other cause), joran asks papa for help....papa makes call...NEXT DAY in one of papa's car - natalee is taken to town crematory and body - along with id's, clothes, etc....is permanenty reduced to ashes....


Theres an oil refinery. The fellow with his throat slit found at the cemetary worked at the refinery. Its an oil refinery--- well dont they need high heat to refine oil ??


Ok....so where is this refinery on the island...and does anyone have any real reason to believe that the body was necessarily disposed of the night Natalee disappeared...   didn't anyone notice that Deepak and Joran were gone and strangely appeared back at house the next night after Beth's family arrived?

It seems a bit much to truly hide a body very, very well in only 50 minutes....and while papa sloot may or may not have helped dispose of it...what stopped him from "thinking" of good spot to permanently rid themselves of ALL evidence?  

How does this not corresponde with a sick or dead Natalee in the boys car - getting dropped off or delivered to the vds homestead - raped/killed, or arrived dead - papa notified of the trouble - kids sent to school/work next morning - and problem "dealt with" next day????  What stopped them from simply storing Natalee's body overnight in Jorans apt?

Why does the timeline DEMAND she is disposed of in a window of 50 minutes to 2 hours????


The write up in the paper about the dead man in the cemetary said he worked at the refinery. I do not know where that refinery is located.


Pretty sure the refinery is located at the end of the island near Jorans school. But..you do realize that there would be people there all night long?
I imagine it would be pretty difficult to smuggle a body into the refinery. I'm sure access is fairly limited. The dead guy that worked there seems to have been killed by his girlfriend.
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« Reply #607 on: June 29, 2005, 12:40:49 AM »

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q.  is there a crematory on aruba?

q.  did the "godfather" or papa vds have access to it (crematory) if so?

q.  how does this not fit - joran and nh gets dropped off at home...one or all "have fun"....natalee either dies at their hands, or dies from date rape drug (or other cause), joran asks papa for help....papa makes call...NEXT DAY in one of papa's car - natalee is taken to town crematory and body - along with id's, clothes, etc....is permanenty reduced to ashes....


Theres an oil refinery. The fellow with his throat slit found at the cemetary worked at the refinery. Its an oil refinery--- well dont they need high heat to refine oil ??


Ok....so where is this refinery on the island...and does anyone have any real reason to believe that the body was necessarily disposed of the night Natalee disappeared...   didn't anyone notice that Deepak and Joran were gone and strangely appeared back at house the next night after Beth's family arrived?

It seems a bit much to truly hide a body very, very well in only 50 minutes....and while papa sloot may or may not have helped dispose of it...what stopped him from "thinking" of good spot to permanently rid themselves of ALL evidence?  

How does this not corresponde with a sick or dead Natalee in the boys car - getting dropped off or delivered to the vds homestead - raped/killed, or arrived dead - papa notified of the trouble - kids sent to school/work next morning - and problem "dealt with" next day????  What stopped them from simply storing Natalee's body overnight in Jorans apt?

Why does the timeline DEMAND she is disposed of in a window of 50 minutes to 2 hours????


After reading your theory, I think you could be on to something here.  So far this would make the most sense to me beings there is absolutrly nothing left of her....everything, gone.   And there does not have to be a timeline on the nite of her disappearance,  moving body later makes more sense.  I hope this info. is something they are checking into. Ashes can still be run for DNA at least I have heard....


 Arrow WHAT IF  Joran had big casino debt and did not want to tell parents???  He and NH got dropped off anf she was taken by boat waiting nearby  thus no sign of her-she and all traces of her are gone...and Jorans HI story is 1/2 true....just a thought
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« Reply #608 on: June 29, 2005, 12:41:22 AM »

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q.  is there a crematory on aruba?

q.  did the "godfather" or papa vds have access to it (crematory) if so?

q.  how does this not fit - joran and nh gets dropped off at home...one or all "have fun"....natalee either dies at their hands, or dies from date rape drug (or other cause), joran asks papa for help....papa makes call...NEXT DAY in one of papa's car - natalee is taken to town crematory and body - along with id's, clothes, etc....is permanenty reduced to ashes....


Theres an oil refinery. The fellow with his throat slit found at the cemetary worked at the refinery. Its an oil refinery--- well dont they need high heat to refine oil ??


Ok....so where is this refinery on the island...and does anyone have any real reason to believe that the body was necessarily disposed of the night Natalee disappeared...   didn't anyone notice that Deepak and Joran were gone and strangely appeared back at house the next night after Beth's family arrived?

It seems a bit much to truly hide a body very, very well in only 50 minutes....and while papa sloot may or may not have helped dispose of it...what stopped him from "thinking" of good spot to permanently rid themselves of ALL evidence?  

How does this not corresponde with a sick or dead Natalee in the boys car - getting dropped off or delivered to the vds homestead - raped/killed, or arrived dead - papa notified of the trouble - kids sent to school/work next morning - and problem "dealt with" next day????  What stopped them from simply storing Natalee's body overnight in Jorans apt?

Why does the timeline DEMAND she is disposed of in a window of 50 minutes to 2 hours????


The write up in the paper about the dead man in the cemetary said he worked at the refinery. I do not know where that refinery is located.


Pretty sure the refinery is located at the end of the island near Jorans school. But..you do realize that there would be people there all night long?
I imagine it would be pretty difficult to smuggle a body into the refinery. I'm sure access is fairly limited. The dead guy that worked there seems to have been killed by his girlfriend.

The refinery is on the opposite end of the island from the hotels, San Nicholas.
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« Reply #609 on: June 29, 2005, 12:41:52 AM »

Kerin, very early this morning someone posted that a man by the name of Jeremy Edward Brown missed the flight.  I looked up the name in the MB paper and then posted the link.  He was a student and he did return on that flight.  They may have made a mistake on the flight manifest.  I have no idea.

hope this helps.
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« Reply #610 on: June 29, 2005, 12:42:41 AM »

As frustrated as I am with the bungling of Aruba's LE, I have to admit that it can be pretty bad here, too. Today in Birmingham, thanks to a bad prosecution and 12 idiot jurors, Richard Scrushy was found Not Guilty of the $2.7 BILLION fraud at HealthSouth. Somebody called this the Wall Street equivalent of the O.J. Trial.

I hope the people of Aruba are at least as embarrassed by their handling of Natalee's disappearance as I am by the acquittal of Scrushy.

It's time for some good news. Let's pray they find Natalee.
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« Reply #611 on: June 29, 2005, 12:43:47 AM »

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you're right, she isnt buried on Aruba

Hmm...was it you who was always saying "Follow the money..."?


Follow the monet

Or the rembrandt?
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« Reply #612 on: June 29, 2005, 12:43:53 AM »

I want to say one thing more as a admin.

Tonight this forum worked more the way that Tom and Red intended. Less personal attacks, more breaking news, more new posters diving in with theory's. Being civil to each other seems to have gotten us to a new level. Maybe the most people overall weren't on but it has been busy for about 10 hours straight. I am on here about 15 hours a day, but RB, CAT and I all do have full time jobs as well so any help from fellow posters to keep things on the right track is great as well. So I just want to say thank you and I hope we have turned the corner and continue on to great things.
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« Reply #613 on: June 29, 2005, 12:43:53 AM »

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The write up in the paper about the dead man in the cemetary said he worked at the refinery. I do not know where that refinery is located.


The refinery is at the south end of the island. Near Joran's school.
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« Reply #614 on: June 29, 2005, 12:44:19 AM »

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As frustrated as I am with the bungling of Aruba's LE, I have to admit that it can be pretty bad here, too. Today in Birmingham, thanks to a bad prosecution and 12 idiot jurors, Richard Scrushy was found Not Guilty of the $2.7 BILLION fraud at HealthSouth. Somebody called this the Wall Street equivalent of the O.J. Trial.

I hope the people of Aruba are at least as embarrassed by their handling of Natalee's disappearance as I am by the acquittal of Scrushy.

It's time for some good news. Let's pray they find Natalee.


yes, I saw the film of him walking out of the court house with his wife.   I must admit I didn't follow that trial.
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« Reply #615 on: June 29, 2005, 12:45:43 AM »

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Kerin, very early this morning someone posted that a man by the name of Jeremy Edward Brown missed the flight.  I looked up the name in the MB paper and then posted the link.  He was a student and he did return on that flight.  They may have made a mistake on the flight manifest.  I have no idea.

hope this helps.



Thank You, Owl...you really are GREAT!  Wink
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« Reply #616 on: June 29, 2005, 12:45:52 AM »

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Todays show Greta on the record, really tightens the time line for that faithful monday..here is what I got...

1.30am-2.30am   Lie #1 Cruising at California Lighthouse,

      Lie #2 Fisherman’s Hut/ Arashi Beach?.

1.30-1.45am
Half truth 1.
Deepak and Satish drops off Joran near the Marriot Inn after visiting Cali Lighthouse


2.40am      
Joran calls Deepak via Cellphone? Maybe asking for lift or help.

3.30am      
Joran reaches home at Montana #19, Text Msg Deepak?

4.00am      
PVDS picks up his Son? Geraldo reported this but not sure if it was bs or not...according to AVDS Paulus was fast asleep.

6.00am 7.00am
Joran in school, confirmed by Ms Renfrom or arubatoday.com


1.30-1.45am Question - are you SURE this is a true statement?  could it not be the reported "around 2am" trip over in direction of Montanje (Joran's)

2.40am  Question - could it not be Joran calling to say he "told dad something bad happened tonight"

3.30am Question - could this not be JOran calling to say - come by tomorrow - dad wants to talk to us all - he said "he will figure out what to do"

4.00am - could be total BS considering source is Geraldo

6.00am 7.00am Papa Sloot makes sure hungover sonny gets on bus to school to establish alibi

6:00 ish phone call from south end of island - Joran calls buddies to remind them to be at his house as they need to meet with papa sloot

evening.....after school....

papa and 3 amigos meet around pool and come up with a plan...perhaps Satish not there....

Deepak and Joran execute papa sloots plan.

Anyone have a problem with this version and why it don't work?????


Works for me. Now how are you at getting 17 year olds to confess?
And then there's little Stevie Croes...


I wonder when they actually worked on a common plan, because if it was that day after that means they know something bad happened...there for the cover up alibi...but what bad thing happened, Death? If death that were is the body, and now you have to interject time to pickup body and dispose.
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« Reply #617 on: June 29, 2005, 12:46:08 AM »

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As frustrated as I am with the bungling of Aruba's LE, I have to admit that it can be pretty bad here, too. Today in Birmingham, thanks to a bad prosecution and 12 idiot jurors, Richard Scrushy was found Not Guilty of the $2.7 BILLION fraud at HealthSouth. Somebody called this the Wall Street equivalent of the O.J. Trial.

I hope the people of Aruba are at least as embarrassed by their handling of Natalee's disappearance as I am by the acquittal of Scrushy.

It's time for some good news. Let's pray they find Natalee.


GOOD POST! I hope aruba girl sees this.
I agree totally...today mickey and i talked about all the craziness...he saw a little of the BTK testimony and we both wonder how the world got to be so crazy.
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« Reply #618 on: June 29, 2005, 12:46:31 AM »

In Greta's piece tonight where she videotaped BHT in Natalee's room, Beth's voice sounded so down and quiet.... I'm sure she goes through a lot of changes of emotion, but she really sounded down tonight and without her usual spunk and fight.
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« Reply #619 on: June 29, 2005, 12:46:48 AM »

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WHen he was first released he mentioned nothing about the father, now there it is. If he thought the dad was involved then I think that would have been big news and he would have said it. And he would not have said the "three". He would have said the father was in on it.
Now he says family, he doesn't know who in family, but that father was involved in story.
But he did not say this on two video interviews when he was first released and was telling his story about Deepak conversation......that is my point


Think about it!  Mickey said "THE THREE"!  But did he say who the three were?  I don't think so!  

Now, when the Twitty posse showed up in the middle of the night (the first night after Nat disappears) who was at the house (when they returned from the wild goose chase to the casino)?  Jr, and Depak(or was it Satish)leaning on the car? And how long was it before the "family" came out to the road(before the goose chase) ?  30 +/- minutes! (wonder what was going on in the house?)
Prior to the posse showing up, there was no reason for the amigos, the family or anyone at the house to think there was anything to hide(unless guilt preceeded the posse)Right?  As of that time how would they know that Nat was missing?  Only one reason, and that seems obvious! (maybe guilty or something!
The lies were first revealed there and then, by the three, Jr., Depak(or Satish?) and Papa!  ie "THE FAMILY"!

Or sumpin like that! Sotaspeak!

VIDEO AT 10:00!


Great post. It could have been cept PVDS was with the posse at the casino. So it had to be before that.

Oh!  So you agree there was PRIOR guilt therefore time to git story straight?
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