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Author Topic: RBN #32 06/28/2005 Tuesday Night  (Read 157190 times)
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« Reply #700 on: June 29, 2005, 01:19:15 AM »

Does anyone think that when Joran allegedly said "something bad happened" and LE was supposedly going to scene to recover body then we were told all a false alarm - does anyone think maybe he really did confess, LE went & recovered body, & disposed of to protect PVDS & JVDS.  Kinda out there I know but it keeps stickin in my head.
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« Reply #701 on: June 29, 2005, 01:19:30 AM »

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Here we have a very strange and terrible tale of a father and son going to hell together. It is scanning like the first chapter in a Joseph Conrad, complete with the septic imprint of Dutch Colonialism steeped in the steaming tropics. So far, I hate it.
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« Reply #702 on: June 29, 2005, 01:20:19 AM »

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Where was Natalee the last three nights if she wasn't in her room?

NightOwl--I also found the messages quite interesting. Especially the ones about Lorenzo.


I guess I ended up going in a different direction with the lorenzo name.  I don't think I was right tho.  I could connect him to boats and the ferry dock however.
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« Reply #703 on: June 29, 2005, 01:20:37 AM »

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I still think if Deepak told him the father was in on cooking up a story he would have brought up the father when first released. That would be just too big of a detail to leave out.
If someone can show where he said "family" or "father" before tonight then I might go for it. Until then, I still say the "three" meant "three" as in the "three suspects" at the time.
Maybe he's embellishing to get back in the spotlight or maybe he's making the details fit what the media says about the dad covering and has convinced himself of this version.
Whatever...it's just another instance of someone now telling a slightly different version of their original story. But hey...I don't know a single major player in this that hasn't with the possible exception of Mr. H.
The wheel keeps turning....

Why think Mickey knew how many suspects or who they were prior to his release? To him "the three" could have meant the three amigos, or Papa, Depak and Jr.?  Doncha thank?


Hereswhatithink....If that's so and he didn't know who or how many, then why is he now saying that Deepak says the "family" and clarifies further by saying the father was in on fixing the story.
Just doesn't fit. If he didn't know it was the father then from the conversation with D, then he doesn't know it now. imho
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« Reply #704 on: June 29, 2005, 01:21:24 AM »

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WHAT IF....Joran said he left her at the beach...and the family agreed to support this and d/s ...they lied believing she would show up and never imagining joran would settle a debt with a girls life/


Agreed they had no idea what the real story was and prolly never asked how Joran knew she was missing.

Don't buy the debt thing though. He was allowed into multiple establishments to gamble. News of debt there travels fast.


KerinTX, if I stay up and make it 20 hour day mike and i can solve this.

Most everyone has it solved.
Now what you have to convence yourself of is that Aruban LE is actually willing to tear their TEMPLE down.
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« Reply #705 on: June 29, 2005, 01:21:41 AM »

I'll play DAG... The first story I heard... that the 3 boys and Nh parked at the Lighthouse and Baby and NH made out while the Bros sat in the front. NOT. NO way. How many guys sit in the front while their buddy and the girl have fun. NONE. I don't care if the Kalpoe's are Baby's Bitches. They get out of the car.
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« Reply #706 on: June 29, 2005, 01:22:15 AM »

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Okay, lets' go back to the beginning, when we first heard that Natalee had disappeared.  What was your initial thought as to what happened to her?  How does that thought compare to what you think now?

I have been reading most of the night and there really has been so great thoughts and responses, but one thing keeps sticking out to me and has from the very beginning.  I will share that later after I hear some of your remarks.  I may be way off base, or maybe not.



Hmm...well I was in the Caribbean when I heard and my first thought was that Natalee was sold. (based on where I was and there being another missing girl and locals opinions) But once I got back home and read, came to the forum, etc, I have always thought it was a murder and that Joran was involved.


That was my first thought also.  I heard it on local news first and they had her picture posted.  When I saw this beautiful young lady, blonde with blue eyes I thought "she has been sold".  I will admit my opinion did not change for a couple of weeks, now I just don't know.  I believe that Joran is very involved and so is his father, but was it a horrible accident with a coverup that just keeps growing and involving others or was it premediated.  I just don't know.
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« Reply #707 on: June 29, 2005, 01:22:17 AM »

Mike, I totally agree.  If Joran had left her on the beach as he said, how on earth would he know she was missing and why on earth would they need to come up with a story.  He was on a bus at 6:40 that morning and spent the day at school.  It's not like he was questioned about this while at school or anything.  And the police woke the father up while honking outside with Natalee's family that night (early morning).  Why would they make this story up if they were not guilty of something.  This was planned long before Nat's family showed up at their door.
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« Reply #708 on: June 29, 2005, 01:22:48 AM »

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Does anyone think that when Joran allegedly said "something bad happened" and LE was supposedly going to scene to recover body then we were told all a false alarm - does anyone think maybe he really did confess, LE went & recovered body, & disposed of to protect PVDS & JVDS.  Kinda out there I know but it keeps stickin in my head.


I have always been curious about the scenerio of Deputy Dompig declaring the case solved and a confession.  Then everyone rushing off only to have to retract it afterwards.  It doesn't sound like very good police work.
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« Reply #709 on: June 29, 2005, 01:22:58 AM »

A lightbulb moment!!!

Forgot to add that I think Lorenzo is who JVDS (and perhaps PVDS) contacted to "pick up" Natalee.  

Here's my bingo moment:  Mickey kept referring to "family" and not just PVDS, along w/ 3 of them????  Could it have been Lorenzo there?
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« Reply #710 on: June 29, 2005, 01:23:17 AM »

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When the Alabama posse arrived at the VDS house Monday night, did Paul go with them to look for Joran at the casino, or did he stay home?

Yes, he went with them!  Then got call from Jr. that he was at home!  So back to the house they went!
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« Reply #711 on: June 29, 2005, 01:23:23 AM »

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WHAT IF....Joran said he left her at the beach...and the family agreed to support this and d/s ...they lied believing she would show up and never imagining joran would settle a debt with a girls life/


Agreed they had no idea what the real story was and prolly never asked how Joran knew she was missing.

Don't buy the debt thing though. He was allowed into multiple establishments to gamble. News of debt there travels fast.


KerinTX, if I stay up and make it 20 hour day mike and i can solve this.
Prior to the POSSE showing up at the house THERE WAS NO REASON WHATSOEVER TO HAVE PUT TOGETHER A LIE, EXCEPT TO COVER UP A CRIME!

So there I said it!
Sotaspeak!


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« Reply #712 on: June 29, 2005, 01:24:53 AM »

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Todays show Greta on the record, really tightens the time line for that faithful monday..here is what I got...

1.30am-2.30am Lie #1 Cruising at California Lighthouse,

Lie #2 Fisherman’s Hut/ Arashi Beach?.

1.30-1.45am
Half truth 1.
Deepak and Satish drops off Joran near the Marriot Inn after visiting Cali Lighthouse


2.40am
Joran calls Deepak via Cellphone? Maybe asking for lift or help.

3.30am
Joran reaches home at Montana #19, Text Msg Deepak?

4.00am
PVDS picks up his Son? Geraldo reported this but not sure if it was bs or not...according to AVDS Paulus was fast asleep.

6.00am 7.00am
Joran in school, confirmed by Ms Renfrom or arubatoday.com
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end of Greta's timeline - now here is my interpretation -

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Sometime between closing of CnC's and 1:45am - SOMETHING BAD HAPPENED

1.30-1.45am Question - could this be the reported "around 2am" trip over in direction of Montanje (Joran's) with Deepak and Satish in car? Could a slumped over natalee and a panicked joran be still in back seat? Natalee's body - dead or semi alive - stored in Joran's room

****sometime shortly after dropping off joran and natalee's body and the VDS household Deepak scrubs car down really good before going home - reports are on this site of him being seen around this time doing just this ******

2.40am Question - could it not be Joran calling Deepak to say he "told dad something bad happened tonight" and showed papa sloot condition natalee in - could be dead or semi alive at this point.

3.30am Question - could this not be Joran calling Deepak to say - "come by tomorrow" - dad wants to talk to us all - Dad said "he will figure out what to do"

4.00am - could be total BS considering source is Geraldo

6.00am 7.00am Papa Sloot makes sure hungover son gets on bus to school to establish a next day alibi for son - ex: a son who made it to school surely couldn't be out all night burying a body.....

6:00-ish the phone call from south end of island - Joran calls buddies to remind them to be at his house as they need to meet with papa sloot - made most likely while Joran en route to school

evening.....after school....

papa and 2 or 3 amigos meet around pool and come up with a plan...perhaps Satish not there....

Plan of papa's told to boys. Boys rehearse stories, alibi's.

sometime after dark.....

Deepak and Joran execute papa sloots plan to dispose of Natalee's body, Id, clothes and whatever else evidence there is...

in the meantime.....Beth and Alabama group arrive on island, make it over to the VDS household....Papa runs interference with story of son "out gambling"......Deepak and Joran make it back to VDS household by time Alabama group gets back.

Kids now smart asses because they feel papa Sloots plan "perfect" as body, driver's license, and any other evidence now permanently disposed of....

Papa has panic attack and tell kids to NOT TALK.
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red herrings:  the beach, the hilton, the fishermans hut, the marriott, the lighthouse - all BS - ignore these in totality.

problem:  kids messed up - have dead or dying natalee to deal with
answer: joran brought on the mess, jorans' daddy a big wig, let joran's daddy figure it out.
  - thus reason for the 3 amigos to end up around 2 am at the VDS household.  where they were before doesnt matter, all that matters is something bad happened at this point in time.

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nobody at this time - night that something bad happened is worried about Natalee's parents showing up, thus can dispose of body later - no great "rush"

problem:  natalee's parents show up next night
solution: plan already being carefully executed.  papa VDS is not going to let anything to his "perfect" son that would mess up his plans for his son's career

problem:  body must never be found.
solution:  incinerate body - is the absolutely best way to rid oneself of a body....   hasn't anyone ever seen how small remains of a body are after being cremated - sure a few fragments (size of a pebble) remain, but finding them over approx 76 square miles would be darn near impossible to do.

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Anyone have a problem with this version and why it don't work?????


It actually takes a very long time to burn a body, it has been discussed on another message board (not about NH) that I frequent..let me go look for some facts..
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« Reply #713 on: June 29, 2005, 01:25:05 AM »

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A lightbulb moment!!!

Forgot to add that I think Lorenzo is who JVDS (and perhaps PVDS) contacted to "pick up" Natalee.  

Here's my bingo moment:  Mickey kept referring to "family" and not just PVDS, along w/ 3 of them????  Could it have been Lorenzo there?


and because deepak and satish weren't around they didn't know to squeel on him, only joran and pvds would know and there is no way they turn him in, because it all comes unglued.
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« Reply #714 on: June 29, 2005, 01:26:05 AM »

anyone notice this:

1st 90 minute interview with the VDS parents....

papa - sweating profusely, drippy, off running to answer phone and to get "composed

mama - sobbing, terrified that sonny has definitely been caught

interview after papa sloot out of jail

papa - sh*t eating grin

mama - acting "self righteous" as if the family actually pulled the whole murder off, recognized either LE doesn't know whole story due to careful planning on papa's part, or LE is gonna sweep it under the rug.....

i really do think, and have thought all along - that this is a simple case of rape gone bad.  whether or not a drug was used is immaterial.

like it or not - what is most likely is usually exactly what happened.

note:  anyone notice that all pics of joran after arrest show him to be terrified - and note that papa sloot in interview stated he "hoped son could keep it together" or something like that...and i think it was that statement, coupled with the profuse sweating that made LE arrest him to try to get HIM to crack....not sonny boy.

sonny boy is going to do exactly what papa sloot told him to do.  he is too terrified to deviate from papa's plan.  this kids life most likely has already been planned from cradle to grave - no worries - just follow papa and mama sloot's plan, just as he has been doing entire life - he most likely knows no other way.

want to convince the "kids" to confess....put the pressure directly on teh parents  - as in van der sloot parents.  i bet mama sloot would crack first.
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« Reply #715 on: June 29, 2005, 01:26:13 AM »

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A lightbulb moment!!!

Forgot to add that I think Lorenzo is who JVDS (and perhaps PVDS) contacted to "pick up" Natalee.  

Here's my bingo moment:  Mickey kept referring to "family" and not just PVDS, along w/ 3 of them????  Could it have been Lorenzo there?

Except after that performance on Greta, tonight, Mickey leaves a lot of room to drive a tank and Mack truck through....

Mickey is an awful witness...
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« Reply #716 on: June 29, 2005, 01:26:41 AM »

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A lightbulb moment!!!

Forgot to add that I think Lorenzo is who JVDS (and perhaps PVDS) contacted to "pick up" Natalee.  

Here's my bingo moment:  Mickey kept referring to "family" and not just PVDS, along w/ 3 of them????  Could it have been Lorenzo there?


Hmmm...was in Deepak that kept referring to the "family?" I think Lorenzo was somehow involoved. Not sure how though.
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« Reply #717 on: June 29, 2005, 01:26:52 AM »

Maybe Papa called Lorenzo and asked Lorenzo to do the dirty work.
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« Reply #718 on: June 29, 2005, 01:27:18 AM »

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A lightbulb moment!!!

Forgot to add that I think Lorenzo is who JVDS (and perhaps PVDS) contacted to "pick up" Natalee.  

Here's my bingo moment:  Mickey kept referring to "family" and not just PVDS, along w/ 3 of them????  Could it have been Lorenzo there?


Good thought...........I don't think we have anything connecting Lorenzo, but he never goes away, his name keeps popping up.
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« Reply #719 on: June 29, 2005, 01:27:21 AM »

Is it me, or are more and more posters starting to sound like TTown? (running words together)  Shocked

And more importantly, I wonder if I get Red and Tom to be my "godfathers" if I will stop getting these %*&)O^(^$ CGI errors!

TTown, I agree about the "story". Seems like the cover story was made up before there was even a reason to HAVE a story....sotaspeak!  Smile
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