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« Reply #160 on: June 29, 2005, 08:41:45 AM »

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G`morning all... Smile

NL What newspaper is that article in I can`t find it?


Utrechts Nieuwsblad (and other GPD-news papers)

’Ik geloof niet meer dat ze nog leeft’
Door Dick Hofland/GPD

ORANJESTAD - Commissaris Jan van der Straten leidt op Aruba het onderzoek naar de verdwijning van de Amerikaanse puber Natalee Holloway. Hoop op een goede afloop voor het verdwenen meisje heeft hij niet meer. Aandachtig luistert hij naar iemand die hem telefonisch tipt over de verdwijning van de Amerikaanse puber Natalee Holloway. ,,O, jaja. Nou, aan helderzienden heb ik niks.''

Hij schudt het hoofd. ,,Ik heb alleen iets aan feiten.’’ Op zijn kantoor in de wijk Noord op Aruba hangt een tijdslijn, waar het verloop van de onderzoek te volgen is; wie was waar op welk moment, wie heeft wie waar, wanneer gezien. Dertien jaar werkt hij nu op Aruba en volgende maand gaat hij met pensioen. Af en toe was er een moord, meestal in de familiesfeer, soms had die te maken met drugs. Verder gebeurt er niet zo veel. ,,Arubanen zijn vriendelijke mensen, die geweld schuwen.’’ De laatste vijf jaar is hij belast met de reorganisatie van de politie op het tropische eiland.

- Een makkie?
,,Ha. Zo zou ik het niet willen noemen. Als je hier bent als Nederlander moet je niet zeggen: zσ moet het. Je moet de mensen er altijd bij betrekken."

- Het is een hechte gemeenschap, ook het justitiewereldje. Is dat niet link?
,,Het is een klein eiland, iedereen kent iedereen. Rechters, advocaten, op recepties kom ik ze allemaal tegen.’’

- Dus ook Paul van der S., die een tijdje heeft vastgezeten op verdenking van betrokkenheid bij de verdwijning?
,,Ja, ik ken hem goed. Maar zoals ze hier zeggen: lei pa un, lei pa tur. De wet voor ιιn is de wet voor allen. Als er redenen zijn om iemand te arresteren, dan doe je dat.’’

- Wat doet de verdwijning van Natalee Holloway u?
,,Ik vind het afschuwelijk voor de ouders, het is niet niks als je je kind kwijtraakt. Maar ik blijf zakelijk: dit is een onderzoek.’’

- Men begint ongeduldig te worden.
,,Een goed onderzoek vraagt tijd. Bij haast is niemand gebaat. Als je gaat forceren, is de kans op fouten te groot."

- Hebt u nog hoop op een goede afloop?

,,Hoop moet je altijd hebben, maar ik geloof niet dat we Natalee levend zullen terugvinden.’’

- Waarom niet?
,,Omdat ik het onderzoek ken.’’


http://www.utrechtsnieuwsblad.nl/regioportal/UN/1,1478,954-Voorpagina__2769596_,00.html
 

thanks for that NL.  good work as always.
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« Reply #161 on: June 29, 2005, 08:43:04 AM »

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Ty bogey, but the quote isn`t actually mine, but i found there to be alot of truth in that...

What also is strange is according to anita there were adults on that beach  when joran left natalee there,she says she knows for sure I don`t know what to make of that. Who are those adults? And maybe that`s why BHT said there are gonna be more arrests...maybe the ones who were there the "adults"...
And I didn`t see the interview with geraldo, is it on the fox site to see now or was it only on tv? With who did geraldo spoke then? It sounds like a real chauvinistic saying you`re right about that.
 hannie: don't forget all the mb students on that beach who "would have seen her".
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« Reply #162 on: June 29, 2005, 08:43:28 AM »

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a few days ago there was a guy mentioned with a link provided to his website...Mr.Pink I believe...on the site it was all about his porn business
and it just seems to me that it should still be explored, did we discount him or did he just fade out?


I think the much-discussed "Mr. Pink" is also known as Paul Brough, a name that's been thrown around for a couple of weeks in conjunction with the mysterious Lorenzo.
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« Reply #163 on: June 29, 2005, 08:44:19 AM »

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a few days ago there was a guy mentioned with a link provided to his website...Mr.Pink I believe...on the site it was all about his porn business
and it just seems to me that it should still be explored, did we discount him or did he just fade out?


Sorry, Pooh, I don't know much about the Mr. Pink.  I recall him being mentioned, but didn't go to the website or anything.  The more people added to this equation the more confused I get about why anyone is involved in this...LOL.
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« Reply #164 on: June 29, 2005, 08:46:58 AM »

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hannie: don't forget all the mb students on that beach who "would have seen her".



I know iquitos, but when I read that interview it sounded to me that she ment real adults b/c i think she would have said other students or something.
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« Reply #165 on: June 29, 2005, 08:47:08 AM »

Could it be that the Godfather of Joran gave his family a "heads Up" and that is why the lengthy delay in the arrest?  Also, about PVDS sweating, this could be a reaction of drug use.  Just another observation.  I understand the drug cartel is very strong in Aruba according to the DEA.
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« Reply #166 on: June 29, 2005, 08:47:33 AM »

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Air23ac, that's funny, that's exactly what I thought when they made the "cowboy" comment.  They certainly didn't have a problem with it when it came to Mickey John.  I remember the wording of that as a "pre-dawn raid".  Don't remember any "pre-dawn raids" when it came time to arrest the boys or the father.


FTR:  There was a predawn visit to the v/d sloot residence by police and a group from alabama.  that was very early tuesday morning after natalee did not return to her hotel on Monday morning.  was not a raid but there was a confrontation between civilians there.  there were concert security people who wore black uniforms staying at the HI.
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« Reply #167 on: June 29, 2005, 08:49:51 AM »

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hannie: don't forget all the mb students on that beach who "would have seen her".



I know iquitos, but when I read that interview it sounded to me that she ment real adults b/c i think she would have said other students or something.



Did anyone at any point in time follow up on where all the concert people went afterwards?  Were the "adults" involved in the event ever looked at/questioned.    Pardon me if this has been addressed previously, my real life keeps getting in the way of reading the threads!! Laughing
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« Reply #168 on: June 29, 2005, 08:50:20 AM »

Morning everyone. I browsed through and really doesnt look like much new news going on. I was able to watch some Fox last night, but not so much of it. I did see Mickey John speak, and I was just wondering why he didnt say before last night that the family helped come up with the story. Sorry if this has been discussed already. But I just wondered.
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« Reply #169 on: June 29, 2005, 08:51:20 AM »

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Air23ac, that's funny, that's exactly what I thought when they made the "cowboy" comment.  They certainly didn't have a problem with it when it came to Mickey John.  I remember the wording of that as a "pre-dawn raid".  Don't remember any "pre-dawn raids" when it came time to arrest the boys or the father.


FTR:  There was a predawn visit to the v/d sloot residence by police and a group from alabama.  that was very early tuesday morning after natalee did not return to her hotel on Monday morning.  was not a raid but there was a confrontation between civilians there.  there were concert security people who wore black uniforms staying at the HI.


We were discussing the way that police stormed Mickey's house and arrested him, taking his clothes and everything the first visit they made to Mickey's house with no real evidence he had ever even laid eyes on Natalee and the exact opposite way the respectfully treated Joran and his family when it was time to arrest them.
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« Reply #170 on: June 29, 2005, 08:51:25 AM »

couple of things...

JVDS and NH dropped off at 1:50am a little ways (700 yards) from HI.  Probably so they could walk and talk back to the HI before parting.  

Scenario 1:  JVDS gets all hot and tries to have his way with NH.  This probably would have occurred after at least 10 minutes.  Maybe he got what he wanted, maybe not.  But if he did, there is almost no time left before the phone call for a ride.  Maybe he left NH "hysterical" on the beach.

Scenario 2:  Walked and talked and said goodbye.  Maybe 25 minutes for this.  Still no time left to make her dissappear.

Conclusion:  Based on the time line, NH must have dissappeared AFTER he left her.  She had maybe 500 yards to walk back to the HI.

Reason for false story:  the 3 heard about her not showing up for the plane and got spooked and went to daddy VDS and explained what had happened.  After thinking about it - pappa gave them a story to deflect suspiscion away from Joran and the brothers.  They figured that she would show up in the next few days so no harm.  As time went along and she didn't, they started getting panicky and eventually ended up in jail where they reverted back to what actually happened.
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« Reply #171 on: June 29, 2005, 08:52:31 AM »

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Well, dragonfly, The story I heard is that he was a friend of Deepaks... prior. Now, we hear this is not the case. I have never heard your version. I can personally vouch for the fact that the press... screws things up.


This came from the reporter from Aruba that had an interview with him.  Said he was brought from his jail cell to her and this is what he told her.


Croes himself, out of his own mouth last pm said he did not know deepak, so he couldn't be a friend. There were multiple reasons for his involvment given in about 1 1/2 minutes last night.
1.he wanted to be a "good" guy
2. he wanted to meet deepak ( WHY? did he find him attractive, is deepak that charismatic, did croes need a cheap computer or computer help?)
3.he wanted the reward money
4. he wanted the attention
bottom line was he was NOT a friend of any of them, if one can believe anything said. He has proven himself to be a liar, so who knows.
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« Reply #172 on: June 29, 2005, 08:53:30 AM »

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Morning everyone. I browsed through and really doesnt look like much new news going on. I was able to watch some Fox last night, but not so much of it. I did see Mickey John speak, and I was just wondering why he didnt say before last night that the family helped come up with the story. Sorry if this has been discussed already. But I just wondered.


No, Mickey didn't ever say "family" before.  He said "they" or "the three of them".  Not sure if he meant Deepak, Satish, and Joran or what but it has been talked about and there are differing opinions as to why he is just now saying the "family" or "father are involved.  Don't know what to believe.
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« Reply #173 on: June 29, 2005, 08:53:57 AM »

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Beginning to sound more and more like they took her back to the house (from Carlos N Charlies) .. (instead of going to any lighthouse or any beach).. (( Mom was away in Netherlands ))..

+Joran van der Sloot (search) and his friends Deepak and Satish
+Kalpoe are being held under suspicion of murder and kidnapping
+as well as being an accessory to murder.
+The fifth man, Paul van der Sloot the father of 17-year-old Joran
+was being held on suspicion of complicity to pre-meditated
+murder, complicity to kidnapping and murder and kidnapping.
+Under the Aruban system, complicity is a lesser charge.

Kids went to Joran's house (apartment separate from parent's main house) "to get high."  Natalee stopped breathing.. the kids freaked and woke up the father in the main house.  Daddy VDS's complicity by providing place for the crime and then daddy also acted to dispose of the body;  then cook up a story (away from the house).  There has never been any "scent" picked up at the lighthouse nor the beach area around the Marriott neither the Holiday Inn..  The body typically has be somewhere not too far from Joran's house..

>FROM:  http://www.riehlworldview.com/
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>Over at Scared Monkeys, frequent commenter Aruba Girl claims
>to have info that someone saw the Kalpoe brothers on the road
>at 2 AM the night of Natalee Holloway's disappearance -
>presumably driving in an area associated with this mystery.
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>>Can I ask a question. If somebody told me that they saw the
>>brothers doing something suspicious but not illegal in and of
>>itself, should I tell the cops? Even though a month has passed.
>>I want to emphasize that I did not see it, but it was told to me.
>>I assumed that this person told the cops, but turns out that that
>>didn't happen.
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>>Somebody saw the car of the brothers (the person is very
>>familiar with the car, sees it almost daily, saw the brothers on
>>the road at two am, going TO the direction of Montanja. I'm
>>going to call my cousin and let her know. She's a cop. And no,
>>that's not the reason why I'm so gung-ho about defending the
>>cops from corruption accusations. We're not that close.
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>That's all the more interesting in light of information I've long
>had and previously passed along that they were also seen giving
>their car a thorough cleaning in an unusual spot after their initial
>release.



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 i wonder if we will see her back.
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« Reply #174 on: June 29, 2005, 08:55:38 AM »

Bendex said already before that the 'Godfather"thing isn`t that 'big' of a deal as it may sound, in the netherlands. It`s more a thing that if something happens with your parents they or he or she will become your guardian

G`morning momto5.. Very Happy
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« Reply #175 on: June 29, 2005, 08:56:04 AM »

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did anyone else find it strange that julia renfro was almost praising steve croes? like sickly gushing over him , also, i know i read here somewhere a meeting with the headmaster, joran and jorans dad that said that he came in late that morning.

if joran was in school and on time then why wont his father confirm whether or not he was in school and on time?


Yes---said he was a "sweet" guy---she as usual spun it and forgot to mention he lied. We are suppoesed to believe according to her, that SC "just wanted to meet" deepak and offered up a false statement to LE in order to be with him.
Julia spins alot of things. especially about joran. That is why I think someone other than julia should confirm the school/exam/bus ride story. joran's own dad didn't remember waking joran up that am for school.
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« Reply #176 on: June 29, 2005, 08:56:55 AM »

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couple of things...

JVDS and NH dropped off at 1:50am a little ways (700 yards) from HI.  Probably so they could walk and talk back to the HI before parting.  

Scenario 1:  JVDS gets all hot and tries to have his way with NH.  This probably would have occurred after at least 10 minutes.  Maybe he got what he wanted, maybe not.  But if he did, there is almost no time left before the phone call for a ride.  Maybe he left NH "hysterical" on the beach.

Scenario 2:  Walked and talked and said goodbye.  Maybe 25 minutes for this.  Still no time left to make her dissappear.

Conclusion:  Based on the time line, NH must have dissappeared AFTER he left her.  She had maybe 500 yards to walk back to the HI.


I see your point, as many are now questioning the timeline, but 45 minutes is still plenty of time for someone to be killed.  And it is very possible that he had drugged her, got what he wanted, she passes out, he calls for a ride, then realizes that she just hasn't passed out but has died, calls Daddy or whomever for help, then text message to Deepak "made it home" while actually waiting for Daddy (or whomever to come get him and help clean up mess).  There is time there for her to have been killed or died and they had 10 days to completely clean up evidence.
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« Reply #177 on: June 29, 2005, 08:58:05 AM »

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Bendex said already before that the 'Godfather"thing isn`t that 'big' of a deal as it may sound, in the netherlands. It`s more a thing that if something happens with your parents they or he or she will become your guardian

G`morning momto5.. Very Happy



mornin' Hannie, how goes it there? Is there any recent news there on this case, my friend? Very Happy
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« Reply #178 on: June 29, 2005, 08:59:08 AM »

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Ty bogey, but the quote isn`t actually mine, but i found there to be alot of truth in that...

What also is strange is according to anita there were adults on that beach  when joran left natalee there,she says she knows for sure I don`t know what to make of that. Who are those adults? And maybe that`s why BHT said there are gonna be more arrests...maybe the ones who were there the "adults"...
And I didn`t see the interview with geraldo, is it on the fox site to see now or was it only on tv? With who did geraldo spoke then? It sounds like a real chauvinistic saying you`re right about that.


Hannie,
this is all I can find.  It was on a TV interview last evening , but it was the Prime Minister Nelson Oduber that made the comments, not the polis.  Sorry about the error.  I do not know if this interview will be on the Fox site.  Basically, Geraldo stationed himself in a hallway during the court proceedings.  He intercepted the PM on his way out of the building and forced him into an interview.  This is when I heard the PM refer to assisting all the males in the NH party, but did not refer to Mrs. BHT.
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« Reply #179 on: June 29, 2005, 09:00:14 AM »

Did Mickey talk about his home being serached, his cell phone records being scrutinized or anything like that?  Did they impound HIS car when he was arrested? Seems odd that they thought he was responsible, but yet no thorough search of him/his house/his car were ever done either.......???



Mickey John.  I remember the wording of that as a "pre-dawn raid".  Don't remember any "pre-dawn raids" when it came time to arrest the boys or the father.[/quote]

FTR:  There was a predawn visit to the v/d sloot residence by police and a group from alabama.  that was very early tuesday morning after natalee did not return to her hotel on Monday morning.  was not a raid but there was a confrontation between civilians there.  there were concert security people who wore black uniforms staying at the HI.[/quote]

We were discussing the way that police stormed Mickey's house and arrested him, taking his clothes and everything the first visit they made to Mickey's house with no real evidence he had ever even laid eyes on Natalee and the exact opposite way the respectfully treated Joran and his family when it was time to arrest them.[/quote]
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