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« Reply #180 on: June 29, 2005, 09:00:30 AM »

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did anyone else find it strange that julia renfro was almost praising steve croes? like sickly gushing over him , also, i know i read here somewhere a meeting with the headmaster, joran and jorans dad that said that he came in late that morning.

if joran was in school and on time then why wont his father confirm whether or not he was in school and on time?


Yes---said he was a "sweet" guy---she as usual spun it and forgot to mention he lied. We are suppoesed to believe according to her, that SC "just wanted to meet" deepak and offered up a false statement to LE in order to be with him.
Julia spins alot of things. especially about joran. That is why I think someone other than julia should confirm the school/exam/bus ride story. joran's own dad didn't remember waking joran up that am for school.


 I remember PVDS saying that too.. he didnt remember if he woke him up for school or not? I found that odd.. I mean ..my son has an alarm..it goes off..and a few minutes later I make sure he is up..IF JVDS had his own place thugh and slept there.. wouldnt one think he would get up on his own?? Dont make sense !!
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« Reply #181 on: June 29, 2005, 09:01:38 AM »

What I also think would be strange if he sneakes out the house to go to C&C then why take the risk of taking here home so his dad founds out that he sneakes out?

And Paul didn`t give them 'a story to tell'.. He only tells them not to panic and stick to there story of what has occured because he himself knowing the procedure suspects that after the witness thing they might be getting arrested! He di`dn`t know at that time there story wasn`t true.
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« Reply #182 on: June 29, 2005, 09:01:45 AM »

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couple of things...

JVDS and NH dropped off at 1:50am a little ways (700 yards) from HI.  Probably so they could walk and talk back to the HI before parting.  

Scenario 1:  JVDS gets all hot and tries to have his way with NH.  This probably would have occurred after at least 10 minutes.  Maybe he got what he wanted, maybe not.  But if he did, there is almost no time left before the phone call for a ride.  Maybe he left NH "hysterical" on the beach.

Scenario 2:  Walked and talked and said goodbye.  Maybe 25 minutes for this.  Still no time left to make her dissappear.

Conclusion:  Based on the time line, NH must have dissappeared AFTER he left her.  She had maybe 500 yards to walk back to the HI.

Reason for false story:  the 3 heard about her not showing up for the plane and got spooked and went to daddy VDS and explained what had happened.  After thinking about it - pappa gave them a story to deflect suspiscion away from Joran and the brothers.  They figured that she would show up in the next few days so no harm.  As time went along and she didn't, they started getting panicky and eventually ended up in jail where they reverted back to what actually happened.


deepthroat:  your scenario is the same as Paul's (as on the NOVA interview on Dutch TV) with one difference.  The kids told him the HI story too and he beleived it.  He admits Joran lied to him.  He admits he advised them the procedure (how to deal with the police) tell the truth, etc.  He does not admit helping them cook up the story ..
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« Reply #183 on: June 29, 2005, 09:03:29 AM »

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SC "just wanted to meet" deepak and offered up a false statement to LE in order to be with him.


Now that is just strange. Even on his way to the airport, annoyed with Greta, Steve said he knew Deepak as a client. Not clear if he meant that he, Steve, uses the internet cafe, or if Deepak had used Steve as a DJ but  "wanting to meet him" just sounds bizarre on a tiny island that does not have hundreds of internet cafes or party boat DJs.

Wouldn't most people who ever used either cafe or boat know both Steve and Deepak as clients?
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« Reply #184 on: June 29, 2005, 09:04:40 AM »

it is fairly well established that Joran was at school the next morning so he is able to function on little sleep.
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« Reply #185 on: June 29, 2005, 09:05:01 AM »

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Sorry, Pooh, I don't know much about the Mr. Pink.  I recall him being mentioned, but didn't go to the website or anything.  The more people added to this equation the more confused I get about why anyone is involved in this...LOL.


It's just wierd to me that he is in the porn business, and maybe I am wrong
but wouldn't those types be shady? and if he is tied in with the mysterious Lorenzo and the VDS's, oh good grief, where am I going with this? Confused
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« Reply #186 on: June 29, 2005, 09:06:04 AM »

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SC "just wanted to meet" deepak and offered up a false statement to LE in order to be with him.


Now that is just strange. Even on his way to the airport, annoyed with Greta, Steve said he knew Deepak as a client. Not clear if he meant that he, Steve, uses the internet cafe, or if Deepak had used Steve as a DJ but  "wanting to meet him" just sounds bizarre on a tiny island that does not have hundreds of internet cafes or party boat DJs.

Wouldn't most people who ever used either cafe or boat know both Steve and Deepak as clients?
i suspect steve understood little of what greta shot at him during her ambush.  so he said yes to everything.
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« Reply #187 on: June 29, 2005, 09:06:15 AM »

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couple of things...

JVDS and NH dropped off at 1:50am a little ways (700 yards) from HI.  Probably so they could walk and talk back to the HI before parting.  

Scenario 1:  JVDS gets all hot and tries to have his way with NH.  This probably would have occurred after at least 10 minutes.  Maybe he got what he wanted, maybe not.  But if he did, there is almost no time left before the phone call for a ride.  Maybe he left NH "hysterical" on the beach.

Scenario 2:  Walked and talked and said goodbye.  Maybe 25 minutes for this.  Still no time left to make her dissappear.

Conclusion:  Based on the time line, NH must have dissappeared AFTER he left her.  She had maybe 500 yards to walk back to the HI.

Reason for false story:  the 3 heard about her not showing up for the plane and got spooked and went to daddy VDS and explained what had happened.  After thinking about it - pappa gave them a story to deflect suspiscion away from Joran and the brothers.  They figured that she would show up in the next few days so no harm.  As time went along and she didn't, they started getting panicky and eventually ended up in jail where they reverted back to what actually happened.


We dont really know WHO gave him a ride back home.  It could have been the father.  And, we have no way of know if NH was with Joren when he went back home.  It is possible she went to the home (in some way, shape, or form).  But I do agree with you , there should be massive effort put into the 45 minutes of time NH and Joren were at the beach near the Mariott.  What happened in those 45 minutes.  Comb that beach.  Talk to anything that moves or did move during that time on that beach.
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« Reply #188 on: June 29, 2005, 09:06:19 AM »

why did someone have to bring up julie renfro????

can you say on the payroll? he was such a sweet guy? he just wanted to meet deepak? what is he 12? give me a break....he lied, he obstructed justice........hey julie, wake up!!!!

each day this goes one it gets more and more unbelievable how there is something seriously shady here.
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« Reply #189 on: June 29, 2005, 09:06:43 AM »

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it is fairly well established that Joran was at school the next morning so he is able to function on little sleep.


Wish I could function on little sleep..lol
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« Reply #190 on: June 29, 2005, 09:09:51 AM »

Hi KackyLacky &  < Hi Angie Very Happy

No nothing new so far, only the article in the newspaper wich NL put on this board a couple of post back. And the interview yesterday of the vds on national tv here on Novatv but i guess you`ve heard about it already.

Nothing new about the dogs 'hit' ?


Thank you Cat for your post Wink
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« Reply #191 on: June 29, 2005, 09:11:02 AM »

Have any of the schoolmates been interviewed to see how JVDS acted in school that day?  Does he have a cliche at school he hangs with.  Did he seem very tired or say anything to anyone?
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« Reply #192 on: June 29, 2005, 09:11:58 AM »

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SC "just wanted to meet" deepak and offered up a false statement to LE in order to be with him.


Now that is just strange. Even on his way to the airport, annoyed with Greta, Steve said he knew Deepak as a client. Not clear if he meant that he, Steve, uses the internet cafe, or if Deepak had used Steve as a DJ but  "wanting to meet him" just sounds bizarre on a tiny island that does not have hundreds of internet cafes or party boat DJs.

Wouldn't most people who ever used either cafe or boat know both Steve and Deepak as clients?
i suspect steve understood little of what greta shot at him during her ambush.  so he said yes to everything.


Well he was in a hurry, and answered something like no he didnt know Deepak and Greta pressed him on this, and that's when said something about as a client. I am just trying to figure out why Julia would say such an odd thing. Maybe it is all the stress and people down there are just going into their special places.
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« Reply #193 on: June 29, 2005, 09:13:18 AM »

I watched the Steve Croes interview on Current Affair and I watched Greta trying to talk to him.

My personal feeling was that SC was not going to give her any information at all period.

Unfortunately, in my opinion the Curent Affair segment was really short and nothing of any substance came out of it. Just my opinion.

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« Reply #194 on: June 29, 2005, 09:14:52 AM »

I watched the Steve Croes interview on Current Affair and I watched Greta trying to talk to him.

My personal feeling was that SC was not going to give her any information at all period.

Unfortunately, in my opinion the Curent Affair segment was really short and nothing of any substance came out of it. Just my opinion.
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« Reply #195 on: June 29, 2005, 09:15:15 AM »

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Did Mickey talk about his home being serached, his cell phone records being scrutinized or anything like that? Did they impound HIS car when he was arrested? Seems odd that they thought he was responsible, but yet no thorough search of him/his house/his car were ever done either.......???


I recall that the police took several items from Mickey's house at the time they arrested him.  It was in all of the news articles about his arrest.  He talked in the interview about how they tore up his house the first time they were there.
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« Reply #196 on: June 29, 2005, 09:15:43 AM »

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Air23ac, that's funny, that's exactly what I thought when they made the "cowboy" comment.  They certainly didn't have a problem with it when it came to Mickey John.  I remember the wording of that as a "pre-dawn raid".  Don't remember any "pre-dawn raids" when it came time to arrest the boys or the father.


FTR:  There was a predawn visit to the v/d sloot residence by police and a group from alabama.  that was very early tuesday morning after natalee did not return to her hotel on Monday morning.  was not a raid but there was a confrontation between civilians there.  there were concert security people who wore black uniforms staying at the HI.


We heard a lot of comments on this board about how "impolite" it was to call upon someone after 10 pm, as I recall. And we heard a lot of comments about the improper "tone" that Jug Twitty used, when addressing the van der Sloot family, as they confronted Paulus van der Sloot in his front yard. And we heard a lot of comments about the rudeness of the "Alabama posse," as I recall. But, I don't hear any Aruban voices of outrage at the manner in which Mickey Johns was treated. Why is that?

It was 3 weeks later that Caren Jaansen was asked why they never searched the van der Sloot residence, and she was the one who made the comment, "Well, we can't just go in there like cowboys."

Just for the record, if it weren't for that "Alabama posse," Mickey John would still be rotting in jail, accused of a crime he did not commit.
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« Reply #197 on: June 29, 2005, 09:15:52 AM »

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couple of things...

JVDS and NH dropped off at 1:50am a little ways (700 yards) from HI.  Probably so they could walk and talk back to the HI before parting.  

Scenario 1:  JVDS gets all hot and tries to have his way with NH.  This probably would have occurred after at least 10 minutes.  Maybe he got what he wanted, maybe not.  But if he did, there is almost no time left before the phone call for a ride.  Maybe he left NH "hysterical" on the beach.

Scenario 2:  Walked and talked and said goodbye.  Maybe 25 minutes for this.  Still no time left to make her dissappear.

Conclusion:  Based on the time line, NH must have dissappeared AFTER he left her.  She had maybe 500 yards to walk back to the HI.


I see your point, as many are now questioning the timeline, but 45 minutes is still plenty of time for someone to be killed.  And it is very possible that he had drugged her, got what he wanted, she passes out, he calls for a ride, then realizes that she just hasn't passed out but has died, calls Daddy or whomever for help, then text message to Deepak "made it home" while actually waiting for Daddy (or whomever to come get him and help clean up mess).  There is time there for her to have been killed or died and they had 10 days to completely clean up evidence.
This is the same theory that I believe happened.  Just because Juran sent a text message saying he was home doesn't make it true.
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« Reply #198 on: June 29, 2005, 09:18:50 AM »

The monkey punched Gretta

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160904,00.html

I was shooting my handy-cam when the monkey came up, stuck his head in the lens (which made his head seem huge to me) and then belted me. He hit the camera and there is a loud thud and the camera spills. I was crouched down and so he got me when I was not particularly balanced on my feet... I backed up as he hit the camera (he startled me) and caught my foot in the dirt and eventually fell. As luck would have it, not only do we have my video of the monkey punching me, but our professional cameraman was with it and got a different angle. He got the monkey's arm coming out and he got me tumbling looking stupid, very stupid. I fell back on my left wrist and we drove around Friday with ice on my wrist. All is well: My wrist is fine, my pride is a bit bruised (I look stupid falling over but I can laugh at myself.) I still love the monkey and I don't blame him. I would not want someone coming up to me and sticking a handy-cam in my face!


Too funny, I guess monkey knows best.
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« Reply #199 on: June 29, 2005, 09:21:55 AM »

Quote from: "deepthroat2"
couple of things...

JVDS and NH dropped off at 1:50am a little ways (700 yards) from HI.  Probably so they could walk and talk back to the HI before parting.  

Scenario 1:  JVDS gets all hot and tries to have his way with NH.  This probably would have occurred after at least 10 minutes.  Maybe he got what he wanted, maybe not.  But if he did, there is almost no time left before the phone call for a ride.  Maybe he left NH "hysterical" on the beach.

Scenario 2:  Walked and talked and said goodbye.  Maybe 25 minutes for this.  Still no time left to make her dissappear.

Conclusion:  Based on the time line, NH must have dissappeared AFTER he left her.  She had maybe 500 yards to walk back to the HI.

Reason for false story:  the 3 heard about her not showing up for the plane and got spooked and went to daddy VDS and explained what had happened.  After thinking about it - pappa gave them a story to deflect suspiscion away from Joran and the brothers.  They figured that she would show up in the next few days so no harm.  As time went along and she didn't, they started getting panicky and eventually ended up in jail where they reverted back to what actually happened.


This assumes you're buying the story about the three boys dropping Natalee and Joran off at the Marriot (or there about) beach.  Has anyone established this is in fact what happened or are we just going along with it because it was the last story to come out in the MSM?
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