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« on: June 29, 2005, 03:26:37 PM »

Communicate your views effectively on this messageboard. Think twice about how you'll be perceived before you hit submit.

We are here to discuss ALL views on this case. Observations and questions about the suspects, the victims, and their families are not "bashing" as long as they are supported by clear and articulate thoughts which are sensitive to the passionate feelings surrounding all of them. Just because you find a post to be opposing your view or theory does NOT make the other poster "bashing" or maligning. Don't worry - if we think the post is bashing or maligning, we'll take the appropriate steps to be certain it doesn't happen again.

This board is not a chat room - your manners should be quite evident in your posts and relative to the topic at hand. There are 100-300 of you on here at any given time; frankly we can't be everywhere at once and nor should we be expected to be. It is time for the adults to "play nice."I expect you will do as I've just stated, otherwise I assure you there will be bans, which will be unannounced and not warned, for 5 days for those of you insist on not showing some decency and understanding towards others.

For those of you who routinely post thought-provoking, respectful posts, we salute and thank you, and ask that you continue to provide the example to other Monkeys.
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« Reply #1 on: June 29, 2005, 04:10:33 PM »

It's so lonely in here.
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« Reply #2 on: June 29, 2005, 04:10:58 PM »

Can you even get a ground floor room at the HI?

All rooms have sliders to balconies, but I do not see any rooms listed as ground floor.
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« Reply #3 on: June 29, 2005, 04:12:23 PM »

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Can you even get a ground floor room at the HI?

All rooms have sliders to balconies, but I do not see any rooms listed as ground floor.

Unless trees and grass grows on balconies, the room was on the ground floor.
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« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2005, 04:13:10 PM »

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Can you even get a ground floor room at the HI?

All rooms have sliders to balconies, but I do not see any rooms listed as ground floor.


Fox showed them on Greta's show last night.  Natalee's room led right out to the beach...pretty cool.
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« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2005, 04:15:01 PM »

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My theorie is, That I think that joran did what he said and leaves NATALEE on the beach, b/c she wanted him to left her there. After he went away something happend.


Hannie....why do you think she would want him to leave her alone on the beach at 2AM?  I just can't come up with a reasonable (in my mind that is) why, unless something happened between them, and then it would have to be something pretty serious


well let me tap my vivid imagination

Joran could have gotten fresh with Natalee and she got angry at him, he may not have even raped her, she may have started sobering up and then he was getting too aggressive, she tells him to back off or slaps him, and then says, get lost, my hotel is just up the beach I'm going.........and Joran leaves with tail between his legs........

maybe the reason all the boys overreacted was they have something else to hide

here is another scenario, what if Nat and Joran get to the beach and some big party is going on, some big bonfire and what if Nat loses interest in Joran, she mets someone else she's more interested, man that happens all the time, though Nat didn't seem the type and he leaves her there with other people partying but then supposely he would just say so- maybe the party people are keeping silent because they do know what happened???

just riffing


Or maybe Natalee wanted to go to the Holiday Inn ALONE, because she didn't want the chaperones know she went out with a stranger? Maybe that's why she asked Joran to leave her alone? Maybe she wanted to go back to her room secretely?

Distance between the beach near Marriott and the Holiday Inn:
http://www.qcomet.com/photos/feb01/palmbeach/qindex.html?1

Maybe "something bad happened" during the walk from the beach to her hotel room (HI)?

To the  Dutch readers:
NOW on Nova an exclusive interview (I think it's a very short interview) with police commissioner Jan van der Straaten, who is a good friend of Paul van der Sloot. His reaction on last night's Nova-interview with PvdS. I doubt he will tell us more details of the investigation (in the Dutch judical system, investigators don't reveal too many details of an on-going investigation), who who knows? Smile
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« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2005, 04:15:11 PM »

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Can you even get a ground floor room at the HI?

All rooms have sliders to balconies, but I do not see any rooms listed as ground floor.


well, there were trees and sand right outside the door ...  Very Happy
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« Reply #7 on: June 29, 2005, 04:19:12 PM »

Hey all just home from movies with the kids. Anything new from the search or anymore arrests at all?
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« Reply #8 on: June 29, 2005, 04:20:22 PM »

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Can you even get a ground floor room at the HI?

All rooms have sliders to balconies, but I do not see any rooms listed as ground floor.


well, there were trees and sand right outside the door ...  Very Happy


Well also here you have a statement of Dash that swears by the fact of a particular detail.  Now in a Aruban interrogation I see a change of story coming up, now is that guilty or innocent? Do you now discount every statement said by such person or do you somehow interject a reason so great that it would cause you to forgive and understand why someone had said something that did not bare out in the light of evidence...
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« Reply #9 on: June 29, 2005, 04:21:10 PM »

OK, did anyone get confused as I did when Greta was asking Beth about Natalee's stuff?  It appeared to be somewhat packed, and Greta asked her if it had been packed or if she had just "lived out of the suitcase" and Beth confidently said that Natalee packed it - that she was ready to come home.  I thought that Nat's friends assumed that she had stayed out all night or in another room at the hotel and packed it for her?  BHT has been so sharp about some things and I am SURE she is out of her mind by now, but?????




 
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Can you even get a ground floor room at the HI?

All rooms have sliders to balconies, but I do not see any rooms listed as ground floor.


Fox showed them on Greta's show last night.  Natalee's room led right out to the beach...pretty cool.
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« Reply #10 on: June 29, 2005, 04:22:03 PM »

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Hey all just home from movies with the kids. Anything new from the search or anymore arrests at all?


No sorry Mom...nothing really.
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« Reply #11 on: June 29, 2005, 04:22:17 PM »

OK. Here it is. We were talking about Joran taking AP classes because I remembered Anita said it on the Greta interview:

"He graduated with honor, all As and Bs. He did some AP, advanced courses, physics, calculus, AP English."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160471,00.html

Now AP physics he could probably take before his senior year. But AP calc and English are usually senior year courses because the soph & jr. years are three HS years condensed into two and the 3rd is a college course type year.

But someone apparently in the know posted over on the timeline link that Joran's name wasn't on the list of students from the island taking AP exams this year.

Why would Anita lie? Small thing maybe, but weird.

Because anyone taking the AP exams May 2-13 would not have to take final exams at the school (ISA) June 3-8. They automatically were exempt.
So Joran probably did get preferential treatment. The polis probably didn't want to pick him up because he HAD to take all his exams or he wouldn't graduate. And then he wouldn't be able to go to his Florida college in the fall.
The Aruban police let valuable time and evidence slip away because they didn't want to mess up Joran's college chances and his graduation.
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« Reply #12 on: June 29, 2005, 04:24:37 PM »

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Hey all just home from movies with the kids. Anything new from the search or anymore arrests at all?


No sorry Mom...nothing really.

Thanks Kerin! How frustrating!!! If were this frustrated I feel so sorry for how natalees mother and father must feel.
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« Reply #13 on: June 29, 2005, 04:25:04 PM »

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Quote from: "SunnyinTX"
Quote from: "friend of monkeys"
Quote from: "HannieC"
My theorie is, That I think that joran did what he said and leaves NATALEE on the beach, b/c she wanted him to left her there. After he went away something happend.


Hannie....why do you think she would want him to leave her alone on the beach at 2AM?  I just can't come up with a reasonable (in my mind that is) why, unless something happened between them, and then it would have to be something pretty serious


well let me tap my vivid imagination

Joran could have gotten fresh with Natalee and she got angry at him, he may not have even raped her, she may have started sobering up and then he was getting too aggressive, she tells him to back off or slaps him, and then says, get lost, my hotel is just up the beach I'm going.........and Joran leaves with tail between his legs........

maybe the reason all the boys overreacted was they have something else to hide

here is another scenario, what if Nat and Joran get to the beach and some big party is going on, some big bonfire and what if Nat loses interest in Joran, she mets someone else she's more interested, man that happens all the time, though Nat didn't seem the type and he leaves her there with other people partying but then supposely he would just say so- maybe the party people are keeping silent because they do know what happened???

just riffing


Or maybe Natalee wanted to go to the Holiday Inn ALONE, because she didn't want the chaperones know she went out with a stranger? Maybe that's why she asked Joran to leave her alone? Maybe she wanted to go back to her room secretely?

Distance between the beach near Marriott and the Holiday Inn:
http://www.qcomet.com/photos/feb01/palmbeach/qindex.html?1

Maybe "something bad happened" during the walk from the beach to her hotel room (HI)?

To the  Dutch readers:
NOW on Nova an exclusive interview (I think it's a very short interview) with police commissioner Jan van der Straaten, who is a good friend of Paul van der Sloot. His reaction on last night's Nova-interview with PvdS. I doubt he will tell us more details of the investigation (in the Dutch judical system, investigators don't reveal too many details of an on-going investigation), who who knows? Smile


Wow that picture sure show how close all these hotels were..Was there not a post that mentioned the board walk, as if Joran walked Nat up to the board walk and went home.  I wonder if the road towards Montana is closer to Holiday in  or not...
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« Reply #14 on: June 29, 2005, 04:25:22 PM »

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Can you even get a ground floor room at the HI?

All rooms have sliders to balconies, but I do not see any rooms listed as ground floor.


Fox showed them on Greta's show last night.  Natalee's room led right out to the beach...pretty cool.

..actually...if I remember correctly..Natalee's room led out onto sand. One would suppose that eventually you could get to the beach but, as others have said, you could not tell if access from there was blocked or not. I know "I" didnt see the water last night. And I dont see why this is such a prevalent issue.
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« Reply #15 on: June 29, 2005, 04:30:13 PM »

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OK. Here it is. We were talking about Joran taking AP classes because I remembered Anita said it on the Greta interview:

"He graduated with honor, all As and Bs. He did some AP, advanced courses, physics, calculus, AP English."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160471,00.html

Now AP physics he could probably take before his senior year. But AP calc and English are usually senior year courses because the soph & jr. years are three HS years condensed into two and the 3rd is a college course type year.

But someone apparently in the know posted over on the timeline link that Joran's name wasn't on the list of students from the island taking AP exams this year.

Why would Anita lie? Small thing maybe, but weird.

Because anyone taking the AP exams May 2-13 would not have to take final exams at the school (ISA) June 3-8. They automatically were exempt.
So Joran probably did get preferential treatment. The polis probably didn't want to pick him up because he HAD to take all his exams or he wouldn't graduate. And then he wouldn't be able to go to his Florida college in the fall.
The Aruban police let valuable time and evidence slip away because they didn't want to mess up Joran's college chances and his graduation.


Good!!! What college in Florida???
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« Reply #16 on: June 29, 2005, 04:33:24 PM »

This is what Anita vd Sloot said in the interview with Greta:

"he [Joran] went on with his exams, and he was a normal teenager. He was under pressure. He knew that things were wrong, but — and the girl was missing. But he repeated, She will appear somewhere. And if she does, I'll kick her butt in front of her mom..."

Note, Joran tells her IF she does [appear].

He wasn't so sure she would appear again. That's telling.

OK. Asking again because I keep hoping to find someone who remembers about Joran playing in a poker tournament at the HI casino with some MB kids. Joran came in 4th. I can't find this. Does anyone remember this or the hours of the tourny? It went on like 3 hours or more.
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« Reply #17 on: June 29, 2005, 04:34:38 PM »

Quote from: "Compananzi"
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Can you even get a ground floor room at the HI?

All rooms have sliders to balconies, but I do not see any rooms listed as ground floor.


well, there were trees and sand right outside the door ...  Very Happy


Well also here you have a statement of Dash that swears by the fact of a particular detail.  Now in a Aruban interrogation I see a change of story coming up, now is that guilty or innocent? Do you now discount every statement said by such person or do you somehow interject a reason so great that it would cause you to forgive and understand why someone had said something that did not bare out in the light of evidence...


There were 130 students on that trip.  I am sure not ALL of them had a ground floor room with a slider.  Dash said the rooms did not have a door out to the beach, swore by it, but MAYBE, just maybe she was talking about from her experience.  Maybe her room did not have a slider out to the beach.  Maybe her room was an inside room or an upstairs room.  From her experience there were not sliders out to the beach.  Maybe Nat and her group paid a little extra and Dash didn't know it.  But let's please not accuse her of not telling the truth.  She told the truth as she knew it.
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« Reply #18 on: June 29, 2005, 04:41:52 PM »

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Hey all just home from movies with the kids. Anything new from the search or anymore arrests at all?


No sorry Mom...nothing really.


hey kerin...i was swingin on a vine and went smaaac into tree...still dizzy
did i miss anything???
what time did wiz quit last night?
famous last words?
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« Reply #19 on: June 29, 2005, 04:42:37 PM »

are pm's disabled again?
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