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« Reply #280 on: June 29, 2005, 08:01:30 PM »

I'm not sure why people keep going back to the door in Natalee's room going out to the beach.  It had a latch on the inside and can't be opened from the outside unless left unlocked (which they surely wouldn't do with their belongings in the room).

We *know* Dash is legit.  She'd never seen Natalee's room and assumed it was like hers with a balcony.  Not a big deal!

Martin - We're interested in *this* case.  I'm not sure what it matters *on the message board about Natalle Holloway* if other people think it's important or not.  I actually can't remember agreeing with anything Michelle Malkin has ever had to say.
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« Reply #281 on: June 29, 2005, 08:03:02 PM »

Nancy Grace update......I think she has Steve Croes, not sure. May just be a clip .
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« Reply #282 on: June 29, 2005, 08:03:38 PM »

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In my opinion this horror had been fantasized about & was not just impromptu, the date may not have been fixed but the situation was being hunted.  Satish was dropped off to begin the establishment of the cell & text trail.  It is probable that Mr. VDS believed the first LIE, but once those 3 were picked up & questioned I believe that he delved much deeper into his professional knowledge of just why LIES are told.  It didn't take much from there to counsel these 3 males, including his son.  Give the heads up of what can/could happen down the line should they be picked up again for questioning.  Thus the creation of the drop off place, to open up the inventory of possible suspects that could have been near the Marriott on the beach.  I do not believe for one second that Ms. Holloway was on that beach, we can pretty much rest assured that she was never close to that place.  Where ever the deed took place it never came out of their mouths AT ALL.  This complete story is just that.  There is a multitude of reasons & do believe that this is SCREAMING in the mind of the prosecutor.  It wreaks of how an administrator familiar with process sets it up & she believes that he has.  During the taped interview with Greta V Mr. VDS was only concerned of his son's being able to HOLD UP.  I think that alone speaks volumes.

I am sad to say that there are only too many ADULTS that check their value systems when it comes to their loved ones.  I myself have never had that option available to me, My value system operates from my conscience not my heart.  People who feel that lies are necessary have every reason to be SUSPECT.

Mrs. VDS's statement "not wanting to believe it is a lie" reflects her desire to continue to ENABLE.  The statement by the Prosecutor was that both VDS parents invited the youngest Kalpoe brother Satish to ascertain the questions that were poised to him by LE.  Interesting that it wasn't Deepak, the oldest, isn't it?  They also were trying to find out what Deepak had told his youngest brother, IMO.

I hope I am wrong, but of course I doubt it.  Just needed to rant, now going back to my lurking.
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thank you, well said! IMO
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« Reply #283 on: June 29, 2005, 08:04:08 PM »

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Nancy Grace update......


AND??  what is she saying??
I have FOX on... I cant hear it well form where I am sitting..Ughhh.
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« Reply #284 on: June 29, 2005, 08:04:11 PM »

So, NL, I would think it would have to be Lorenzo.  If it was after Joran was arrested, Deepak and Satish would be in jail too.  The only other person I know of that was brought in and questioned was Lorenzo (and SC who was not a friend of Joran).  Very interesting.  So Papa gets this information and relays it to Joran's attorney who then relays it to Joran?  Am I getting that right?
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« Reply #285 on: June 29, 2005, 08:04:16 PM »

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Nancy Grace update......


She is really annoying.  Can she put her pen/pencil down and just speak to us?
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« Reply #286 on: June 29, 2005, 08:04:32 PM »

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looks like somebody put a fire under janssen to do a little pr work since her efforts in her main line of endeavor seem to be going nowhere fast.  the dutch minister of justice was in the area earlier in the week.  the dutch press is finally going after the story, not just as a missing person case, which is what it still is after a month, but as a media circus.  this increases pressure like no amount of fox could ever do.  they don't get fox on aruba.  it is probably not your most watched cable progamming in the netherlands.   but when serious dutch news outlets start sending people out the story changes.  the holloways were on dutch tv before the v/d sloots.  i guess we will see janssend again tonight on Greta in another "exclusive".  hats off to martin for beating her.


Perhaps because the VDS's were out there lying? Perhaps she knew she had to defend the investigation, I am glad she did.


I have viewed the nova interview.  she said tow important things not yet mentioned here.  P v/d S is interfering in the investigation.  He told the boys more than procedure. He told them " a few days after the disappearance" that if there is no body there is no case.  After a friend was questioed as a witness he called the friend to come over and tell him all about the questioning and the friend went.  This is all moot for now since the judge ordered his release, which only rarely happens.  Sounds like she did it for spite more than anything.   She also said the interrogation is within legal standards and is taped and available to the judge.
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« Reply #287 on: June 29, 2005, 08:05:09 PM »

I got behind a little bit, but followed a link given earlier to another board
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Shango is the monkey god in the traditional Yoruba pantheon. The Catholic saint used to represent him is St. Barbara.

I just don't know if I can bite off into any more theories, but still the connection with Shango and the monkey go struck me as yet one more really odd coincidence.  

My city was once dubbed "The Kingdom of Monkeys" by a now-deceased local writer, Eugene Walter.  Monkeys here, monkeys there.
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« Reply #288 on: June 29, 2005, 08:05:21 PM »

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I've been following the Shango and Simian posts for several days and they are eerie.  One of them knew that PVS was going to be arrested two hours before it happened.  There could be something to either of them.  You have to be careful and make sure the posts are real because you don't have to login to post there so there has been a lot of fake posts claiming to be Simian.


It is somebody fooling around. There were posts that PVS would be arrested in plain English, here and elsewhere, DAYS before the fact.

There is nothing in any of those posts that has not been said, asked, speculated or opined.

In fairness, there is not much on heaven or earth regarding this case that has not been said, asked, speculated or opined.

Whoever is doing it is taking advantage of the principal demographic of this website. What sounds so strange and exotic to you is common as dust to people of Cuban, Dominican, etc heritage. You will be hard pressed to find a Cuban home, of any social class, that does not have a coconut decorated with cowrie shells by some door, somewhere.


Maybe so but as you say there is nothing that has not been speculated upon.  And the stories these boys are telling just don't add up.  If you believe that the Kalpoes are not directly involved then they have no motive to lie.  If they are directly involved then why is Joran calling Deepak on his phone while or shortly after the crime?  And if the Marriot beach story is the truth then where is natalee?  She tripped on a coconut on the way back to her room, became onconcious, fell in the water and fl;oated out to sea?  There is more to the story and Shango's descriptions make as much or more sense than anything else being floated around here.

The underground parties are well known.  In light of todays drug bust it seems that there are ties to the South American drug trade.  High grade X and other drugs are readily available in Aruba.  Pushers apparently stake out the hotels and find new customers.  The locals probably don't build sand castles.  I live 200 yards from the beach and I haven't been there in months.  The locals play in the casinos and elswhere.

I resent your insinuation regarding the demographics of this forum.


I re-read my post and did not have good luck finding a reference to the Kalpoes at all.

What was the insinuation you resent? That most of the posters on here are not familiar with Caribbean syncretinized religions? That most are not Cuban.

Don't be resentin'  You can learn all about the religions, and if it's the suggestion that you might not be Cuban displeases you, make friends with Cubans in your community and maybe you can become an honorary one and learn how to make some really cool things to eat in the bargain!  Very Happy
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« Reply #289 on: June 29, 2005, 08:05:25 PM »

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I have watched the NOVA interview again (it's online: go to www.novatv.nl, "WO 29" and "complete uitzending).

Karen Janssen said PAUL called one of Joran's friends to his home to question about what he (yes, she said "he") said to the police, a couple of days AFTER Joran was arrested.
(That friend must be our mysterious "Lorenzo".  Question)
The same evening Joran's lawyer told Joran what his friend had said to the police. hat's why Karin said PVDS is frustrating the investigation.



PVDS sure is going out of his way to get the stories straight.  I hope hes re-arrested he obviously mastermnded a coverup for his son who killed natalee.  Every single bit of information points in that direction.
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« Reply #290 on: June 29, 2005, 08:06:05 PM »

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I'm not sure why people keep going back to the door in Natalee's room going out to the beach.  It had a latch on the inside and can't be opened from the outside unless left unlocked (which they surely wouldn't do with their belongings in the room).

We *know* Dash is legit.  She'd never seen Natalee's room and assumed it was like hers with a balcony.  Not a big deal!

Martin - We're interested in *this* case.  I'm not sure what it matters *on the message board about Natalle Holloway* if other people think it's important or not.  I actually can't remember agreeing with anything Michelle Malkin has ever had to say.



This is what Dash said:

That's not true... her room was by mine... You have to go through the hotel to get to it[/quote]

Sorry dash...someone posted here yesterday they saw Beth on TV in her/Nat's room and they saw the door with sand....so it was posted that you could get to the room from the beach.

Not true?[/quote]


Nope, you have to go through the hotel either through the front enterance (inside) or through the hotel/ outdoor restraunt part. Then you walk over a little bridge to the building we stayed in.
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« Reply #291 on: June 29, 2005, 08:06:07 PM »

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What's the deal with Michelle Malkin...?


who is michelle malkin?

Read the front page of SM, tube.  Smile


IMO, one of the more important bloggers on the web.  Read for yourself what she said, not what people are saying she said.

http://michellemalkin.com/archives/002875.htm
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« Reply #292 on: June 29, 2005, 08:06:11 PM »

Steve Croes on Nancy Grace...
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« Reply #293 on: June 29, 2005, 08:06:11 PM »

SC is live on Nancy.
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« Reply #294 on: June 29, 2005, 08:06:12 PM »

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Nancy Grace update......


AND??  what is she saying??
I have FOX on... I cant hear it well form where I am sitting..Ughhh.
Thanks !!


They do have SC on LIVE!
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« Reply #295 on: June 29, 2005, 08:06:22 PM »

Somebody asked me about FOX, right?

Okay, in an extended cable package you can get FOX, but I don't know if it also includes Scarborough, Bill O'Reilly, etc....

But I don't get Fox.
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« Reply #296 on: June 29, 2005, 08:07:18 PM »

He told cops internet cafe story.
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« Reply #297 on: June 29, 2005, 08:08:11 PM »

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Thanks for your response Thirdstrike. To look at this story fr girl's family's perspective, which is a lot of what goes on at Scaredmondeys, is indeed informative and relevant, but not objective. That is the point of Malkin's post (and most of those others I listed).

Does that means Aruba story is not important? Of course not. I'm merely pointing to the (now) tons of press about how it is being covered out of proportion compared to other news, which is certainly a valid avenue of inquiry. Aruba: Newsworthy, yes. Worthy of the billions of words which have been devoted to it, likely not.

One could put your question, Thirdstrike, in another way: How does the parent of a recently-killed soldier feel about the coverage of Aruba's missing-person case? The subjective positon could be endlessly switched to include other victims and families of victims, many of whom would say that this case is over-reported. The main point of my post (which listed the links) was to get that perspective into the stream of discussion here.

Again, thanks for your thoughtful and considerate response/inquiry. (sometimes "thoughtful" and "considerate" get short shrift on this board, thus your post is truly appreciated).

Dittos.
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Again, I underatand your point, and it's a valid one.  But again, I feel the relevance is more about how it's perceived by the viewer (or, poster in this case).  

In general, the MSM presents news that is negative to begin with.  It's what sells.  And, unfortunately, it's the reality of life.  Look, of course we'd all rather be reading about something else...and this case never happened.  Natalee Holloway would be safe at home...enjoying her summer, and we'd be finding some other topic to discuss here.  At least I know I would.

As for the comparison to the efforts of our military, and the loss of life associated with it...what can I tell you?  It's as sad a story to read about a mother having to answer that doorbell and having the chaplin and a few uniforms telling her that her loved one has paid the ultimate price for freedom.  In a strange way though, this does tie in to the Holloway case.  An American in a country not of their own...a potential for foriegn "attackers"...an attempt by mutliple forms of govt trying to "spin" things to the mold in which benefits them most...it's all there.  And, I agree with you...the loss of life is equal throughout.  No one can be made to be more important.

I thank you for you consideration and respect.  Hope to hear from you in responce.

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« Reply #298 on: June 29, 2005, 08:08:22 PM »

He told cops truth that he was sleeping on boat.  He has been fired from job.  He got the raw end.
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« Reply #299 on: June 29, 2005, 08:08:52 PM »

Steve Croes fired from his job b/c of his shenanigans.
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