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« Reply #60 on: June 29, 2005, 05:44:54 PM »

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What's good for one should be good for the other. It's the only way to make sense out of this whole thing and find this poor girl.


Nope. You're wrong. You are trying to compare apples to oranges.  It just doesn't work.  The people you accuse of changing their stories aren't the ones last seen with Natalee, they aren't in jail, they didn't say they left Natalee at the beach...or first that they took her back to the hotel. They're in trauma and feeling deep loss...look that up...it's in the books.

These kids took a trip to Aruba...their friend is missing.  Period. End of story.

AND, I hate to tell you but you are NOT the FBI...you are not in a position to do professional interrogations in a fair and balanced fashion.

If there's one piece of evidence that Natalee's family or friends are somehow involved in this...Go for it....until then understand and know what you're talking about before making gross assumptions.
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« Reply #61 on: June 29, 2005, 05:45:47 PM »

excerpt from purported deepak emain on poker:  

The story starts sunday night when a friend of mine was playing poker at a local casino (in the holiday inn) after he won the poker at the fourth place he decided to get up and play some blackjack so he went to the blackjack table and there was natalee (they were a lil drunk ) so my friend started playing blackjack and he was winning quite good , so then natalee approached him and introduced herself and said to him'' your a lucky guy , can you help me win some of my money back i lost $ 360 , of my fathers money'' so my friend said ok , why not . so he started playing and he won 100 $ for her back and he said hey thats the best i can do for you because i doubt it i can win more money for you so its better i quit so she said ok but at least let me buy you a drink so they went to the bar (in the casino ).
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« Reply #62 on: June 29, 2005, 05:46:18 PM »

Schout bij nacht Karel Doorman's legendarische laatste woorden toen hij de geallieerde vloot de Java zee instuurde om de Japanse overmacht te confronteren en suicidaal de ondergang tegemoet te varen om de vaderlandsche eer te verdedigen
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« Reply #63 on: June 29, 2005, 05:46:24 PM »

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wow wouldn't that be something if it was true.
it seems that ANYTHING is possbile in Aruba these days.

I Salute her if it was...
The orig Shang, Sim and Aem knew far too many local details
to be totally fake. They basically supported the theory of a cover up,
which many happen to agree with. including me.


even the Security guard pinned in the beginning said on Fox to fire the chief.

they have replaced the judge twice right?
and they have never even considered replacing or importing a new chief investigator after HE screwed up in the beginning...   weird eh?
where's the big gun Hague investigator to come in and clean up this mess?
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« Reply #64 on: June 29, 2005, 05:50:44 PM »

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What's good for one should be good for the other.

No, not really.  The others students on the trip and Natalee's mother are not suspects in her disappearance by virtue of not having been the last people known to have seen her before she vanished from the face of the earth.

"What's good for one... " might be the most illogical opinion I've seen expressed in this case.
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« Reply #65 on: June 29, 2005, 05:51:32 PM »

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What's good for one should be good for the other. It's the only way to make sense out of this whole thing and find this poor girl.


Nope. You're wrong. You are trying to compare apples to oranges.  It just doesn't work.  The people you accuse of changing their stories aren't the ones last seen with Natalee, they aren't in jail, they didn't say they left Natalee at the beach...or first that they took her back to the hotel. They're in trauma and feeling deep loss...look that up...it's in the books.

These kids took a trip to Aruba...their friend is missing.  Period. End of story.

AND, I hate to tell you but you are NOT the FBI...you are not in a position to do professional interrogations in a fair and balanced fashion.

If there's one piece of evidence that Natalee's family or friends are somehow involved in this...Go for it....until then understand and know what you're talking about before making gross assumptions.


Excuse me Nancy Drew, but I never claimed to be the FBI...but I do believe things should be looked at in a fair and balanced fashion, unlike yourself. I'm assuming from your statment that is what you are trying to say?

I never even implied yet alone stated I thought her family was involved in her disappearance, however I DO NOT agree with the way they are torturing another family based on their intuitions. Maybe they have facts that we don't know about, but that is not coming across the newswire. So until it does, why shouldn't EVERY single statement or person involved in this be scrutinized?

And I highly doubt that my stating the obvious (their statements have changed on many occasion) is me making gross assumptions. I'm just stating what the news stations report. What it means...is not my job to figure out.
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« Reply #66 on: June 29, 2005, 05:52:16 PM »

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Now I'm totally not into attacking these kids but why are their statements allowed to be confusing and mixed up, but we are CRUCIFYING a kid and his friends and family down in Aruba for doing the exact same thing?


Because there is a HUGE difference in one of the other students saying "There were not doors that opened to the beach" because maybe her room didn't have one or maybe the door opened to the outside of the hotel but certainly not right out to the "beach" and were locked from the inside, not accessable from the outside and a young man being that last person seen with a missing girl out and out telling completely false stories about what he did with her only to protect himself.  HUGE difference in my book.  One may be as simple as not having the same layout room or maybe small things attributed to a memory of events that aren't real clear but the other is simply something that can't be a simple mistake or memory loss.  How on earth do you forget that you didn't drop someone off at a hotel?  How do you mistakenly say that the brothers dropped you off at home and left with Natalee back to the hotel when that is no where close to the truth?  How do you just forget that someone left you alone on the beach with a beautiful young woman in the middle of the night or that Satish drove you home after you left her on the beach or that you walked 40 minutes home?  There is a HUGE difference.
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« Reply #67 on: June 29, 2005, 05:52:27 PM »

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Now I'm totally not into attacking these kids but why are their statements allowed to be confusing and mixed up, but we are CRUCIFYING a kid and his friends and family down in Aruba for doing the exact same thing?

I've heard more kids from this trip contradict themselves on tv, I've heard the girl's mother change her story a few times too. Yet noone is questioning the heck out of them (unless maybe they are and we just don't know it).

What's good for one should be good for the other. It's the only way to make sense out of this whole thing and find this poor girl.


Umm... because he was the last one seen with her and he's done nothing but lie. That would be my guess for crucifying him.

And name one point where the kids or Beth have contradicted themselves.
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« Reply #68 on: June 29, 2005, 05:53:19 PM »

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excerpt from purported deepak emain on poker:  

The story starts sunday night when a friend of mine was playing poker at a local casino (in the holiday inn) after he won the poker at the fourth place he decided to get up and play some blackjack so he went to the blackjack table and there was natalee (they were a lil drunk ) so my friend started playing blackjack and he was winning quite good , so then natalee approached him and introduced herself and said to him'' your a lucky guy , can you help me win some of my money back i lost $ 360 , of my fathers money'' so my friend said ok , why not . so he started playing and he won 100 $ for her back and he said hey thats the best i can do for you because i doubt it i can win more money for you so its better i quit so she said ok but at least let me buy you a drink so they went to the bar (in the casino ).



That's kind of funny (not ha ha funny) because in Greta's interview with BHT last nite in her hotel room, BHT told Greta she had her DL and $50. She also said that Natalee did not have a credit card.
BTW we all know about the room and the door now so why are we arguing about it?
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« Reply #69 on: June 29, 2005, 05:53:57 PM »

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Schout bij nacht Karel Doorman's legendarische laatste woorden toen hij de geallieerde vloot de Java zee instuurde om de Japanse overmacht te confronteren en suicidaal de ondergang tegemoet te varen om de vaderlandsche eer te verdedigen


You want to repeat this in English.  The translator doesn't make any sense!

Schout at night Karel Doorman's legendary last words then he the allied fleet the Java sent in sea to face the perdition Japanese supremacy and suicidaal to sail to defend honour the vaderlandsche
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« Reply #70 on: June 29, 2005, 05:54:41 PM »

Am I the only one feeling like this case is never going to be solved?  I hope that's not  the case, but it's not looking good.
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« Reply #71 on: June 29, 2005, 05:54:59 PM »

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What's good for one should be good for the other. It's the only way to make sense out of this whole thing and find this poor girl.


Nope. You're wrong. You are trying to compare apples to oranges.  It just doesn't work.  The people you accuse of changing their stories aren't the ones last seen with Natalee, they aren't in jail, they didn't say they left Natalee at the beach...or first that they took her back to the hotel. They're in trauma and feeling deep loss...look that up...it's in the books.

These kids took a trip to Aruba...their friend is missing.  Period. End of story.

AND, I hate to tell you but you are NOT the FBI...you are not in a position to do professional interrogations in a fair and balanced fashion.

If there's one piece of evidence that Natalee's family or friends are somehow involved in this...Go for it....until then understand and know what you're talking about before making gross assumptions.


Excuse me Nancy Drew, but I never claimed to be the FBI...but I do believe things should be looked at in a fair and balanced fashion, unlike yourself. I'm assuming from your statment that is what you are trying to say?

I never even implied yet alone stated I thought her family was involved in her disappearance, however I DO NOT agree with the way they are torturing another family based on their intuitions. Maybe they have facts that we don't know about, but that is not coming across the newswire. So until it does, why shouldn't EVERY single statement or person involved in this be scrutinized?

And I highly doubt that my stating the obvious (their statements have changed on many occasion) is me making gross assumptions. I'm just stating what the news stations report. What it means...is not my job to figure out.


It is your job to know what you're talking about.  Joran's family is being tortured?  That's what happens when you don't spit out the truth about a missing person...when you were the last person on this earth to be seen with her...that's reality.  Joran is in jail for good reason.  He may not stay there.  But, the fact remains, given the evidence he was the last person to see her alive.

I feel bad for the others in his family, but this is life.
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« Reply #72 on: June 29, 2005, 05:56:15 PM »

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What's good for one should be good for the other.

No, not really.  The others students on the trip and Natalee's mother are not suspects in her disappearance by virtue of not having been the last people known to have seen her before she vanished from the face of the earth.

"What's good for one... " might be the most illogical opinion I've seen expressed in this case.


Ok, let me clarify, when I said "what's good for one..." I meant that why are we holding the VDS to this high standard that they are NOT allowed to misspeak, say something wrong, sweat too much etc when we allow the same to happen to the family and friends and think nothing of it.

Do you really believe the VDS family is not under the same amount of enormous pressure that the Holloway family is? I for one do not. It's a different situation for each, same amount of stress and pressure.

And please...find me a young teenage boy who doesn't lie!

I say we all wait for the evidence to come out before hanging this kid. So far, he's committed the absolute perfect crime. Pretty amazing for a teenager dont you think? I for one don't think he's THAT perfect.
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« Reply #73 on: June 29, 2005, 05:57:16 PM »

Aruba case is still a major story in US media, and not only in terms of tv minutes devoted and words printed. It ranks even higher when one tallies the "stories about the story," which are now literally everywhere in cyberspace and elsewhere.

I've searched, nearly fruitlessly, for editors/commentators/bloggers who devote serious argumentation to the case FOR more coverage. Reminds me of the time during Lewinsky-gate when press-about-the-press eclipsed the original piece, no pun intended. It's hard to measure objectively, but I think Aruba story has reached, or is about to reach, critical mass in this respect. Consider:

Kevin Craver's listing of those who say "end it," (coverage), at http://www.rathergate.com/?p=898

Arianna Huffington says "just say NO-ruba" on the topic, advising a cold-turkey treatment. This is wothy of closer inspection, given Arianna's high tolerance for non-news news. Read at http://www.huffingtonpost.com/theblog/archive/arianna-huffington/just-say-noruba_2928.html

Weighing in for the second time, Michelle Malkin discusses the story about the story at http://michellemalkin.com/archives/002875.htm

Rather-gate's original piece, "End It," is at http://www.rathergate.com/?p=893

Educational reading, indeed, for many who've ingested nothing but Arubanews/MPWW for the last month. At the risk of offending those who are emotionally tied to this case, whether out of boredom or psychopathy or both, I decided to check in and provide some perspective. Granted, learning about opinions other than one's own can in some cases be disturbing, so I advise you to be careful, read slowly, and be ready for diverse thought.

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« Reply #74 on: June 29, 2005, 05:57:21 PM »

In response to the question about who packed Natalee's things (can't remember who asked that...) I am pretty sure that Dash told us early on that they were all packed to go home before they went out because they had to get up early for the flight.  So, Natalee would have packed her things sometime that day and been ready to leave in the morning knowing that they would be out late that night.
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« Reply #75 on: June 29, 2005, 05:57:38 PM »

I have written a short summary of what headprosecutor Karin Janssen said on NOVA (go to page 4).

This is also one of the interesting details of that interview. I don't have time to translate this article. But I'm sure there are more people here that understands Dutch.  Cool

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laatst gewijzigd: 29-06-2005   23:46
'Vader gaf Joran verklaringen door'
De vader van Joran van der S. heeft de verklaringen van de vrienden van Joran doorgespeeld aan zijn zoon. Een vertegenwoordiger van het Arubaanse OM zei dat in NOVA.
Zonder lijk geen zaak
Joran zit op Aruba vast in verband met de verdwijning van de Amerikaanse scholiere Natalee Holloway. Paul van der S. zei volgens het OM ook tegen die vrienden, twee broers, dat de politie zonder het lijk van de scholiere geen zaak tegen hen heeft.

Procedure
Van der S. zei dinsdag nog in NOVA dat hij de vrienden van zijn zoon alleen maar heeft uitgelegd wat de procedure was als zij zouden worden gearresteerd. De twee jongens zitten intussen ook vast.
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Source: RTL Nieuws
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« Reply #76 on: June 29, 2005, 05:57:58 PM »

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What's good for one should be good for the other. It's the only way to make sense out of this whole thing and find this poor girl.


Nope. You're wrong. You are trying to compare apples to oranges.  It just doesn't work.  The people you accuse of changing their stories aren't the ones last seen with Natalee, they aren't in jail, they didn't say they left Natalee at the beach...or first that they took her back to the hotel. They're in trauma and feeling deep loss...look that up...it's in the books.

These kids took a trip to Aruba...their friend is missing.  Period. End of story.

AND, I hate to tell you but you are NOT the FBI...you are not in a position to do professional interrogations in a fair and balanced fashion.

If there's one piece of evidence that Natalee's family or friends are somehow involved in this...Go for it....until then understand and know what you're talking about before making gross assumptions.


Excuse me Nancy Drew, but I never claimed to be the FBI...but I do believe things should be looked at in a fair and balanced fashion, unlike yourself. I'm assuming from your statment that is what you are trying to say?

I never even implied yet alone stated I thought her family was involved in her disappearance, however I DO NOT agree with the way they are torturing another family based on their intuitions. Maybe they have facts that we don't know about, but that is not coming across the newswire. So until it does, why shouldn't EVERY single statement or person involved in this be scrutinized?

And I highly doubt that my stating the obvious (their statements have changed on many occasion) is me making gross assumptions. I'm just stating what the news stations report. What it means...is not my job to figure out.


It is your job to know what you're talking about.  Joran's family is being tortured?  That's what happens when you don't spit out the truth about a missing person...when you were the last person on this earth to be seen with her...that's reality.  Joran is in jail for good reason.  He may not stay there.  But, the fact remains, given the evidence he was the last person to see her alive.

I feel bad for the others in his family, but this is life.


I know quite well what I'm talking about. I watch FOX NEWS (though I'm ashamed to admit it) just like everyone else here.
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« Reply #77 on: June 29, 2005, 05:58:11 PM »

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What's good for one should be good for the other.

No, not really.  The others students on the trip and Natalee's mother are not suspects in her disappearance by virtue of not having been the last people known to have seen her before she vanished from the face of the earth.

"What's good for one... " might be the most illogical opinion I've seen expressed in this case.


Ok, let me clarify, when I said "what's good for one..." I meant that why are we holding the VDS to this high standard that they are NOT allowed to misspeak, say something wrong, sweat too much etc when we allow the same to happen to the family and friends and think nothing of it.

Do you really believe the VDS family is not under the same amount of enormous pressure that the Holloway family is? I for one do not. It's a different situation for each, same amount of stress and pressure.

And please...find me a young teenage boy who doesn't lie!

I say we all wait for the evidence to come out before hanging this kid. So far, he's committed the absolute perfect crime. Pretty amazing for a teenager dont you think? I for one don't think he's THAT perfect.



The perfect crime in Aruba seems to be easy.  Kill someone, make sure the body is never found then don't say a word for 116 days.  No Body, No Crime.
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« Reply #78 on: June 29, 2005, 05:58:15 PM »

I was under the understanding that Natalee shared a room with other friends. Does anyone know if any of these girls slept in Natalee's room the night she disappeared?
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« Reply #79 on: June 29, 2005, 06:00:24 PM »

All I hope is they find the girl alive somewhere, and that other parents and kids learn from this. There is NO reason to send your 18 year old KIDS to a foreign country to drink and party. And girls...please be more careful who you hang out with or go off with.

LEARN from this tragedy. Please!
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