RBN#35 06/29/05 Wed-Thursday Overnight.

[TTownMike]

Hi ever body!  Big news night! What Greta is fixxin to say is my point exactly!  He made his lies before he had reason to know anything was wrong! I see that is a shared view!  
I'm looking forward to seeing what y'all have to say, bout that!

What I have to say is that any story that starts with some blurry babble about a mysterious phone call from a mysterious person either from the US and/or about a call from another un-named person to or from the US, with no detail about what the question was, or clarity on the caller's identity, that results in Charles Croes and an un-named young man driving around with the just-arrived Holloway family adds, by my calculations, a total of 0 to the fact total and causes the bullshit meter to explode.

You got that right, Ting!

[arubagirl]

How come that Charles Croes picked up Beth Twitty? He used to be marry to an American, but is that the connection? Source: arubagirlmom

[nancy_drew]

Joran's parents visited him in jail today without supervision. I wonder if they allowed the Kalpoe brothers to have their mom visit them too.

This doesn't look good at all.  

They say the Kalpoe's mother can't visit because they aren't minors.  But, I sure hope the judge ruled she could visit them.

[spab]

I wish Greta would do a timeline for what Joran and the K Bros. did on Monday. We know Joran went to school, but what about after that? What were Joran and Deepak doing until the wee hours of the morning? Were they really at the casino (easily verified)?

Yeah, for real..and better yet, what was PVDS doing during that day? hmmm...

There wasn't enough time on Sunday night to hide her body so well, IF the trio is guilty. But we have no idea what they were doing for a good part of the day and night on Monday. Maybe this is when they hid her.

Then again, I am still considering the possibility that they are not guilty...

I dont think they did..i dont think, if there was a body, that it was disposed of until later when Joran was at school..and I STILL think PVDS did it...IMHO.....

So.. the body (natalees) could very well have been at the VDS
(in Jorans separate room) when the Holloways paid them a visit that night. They (Holloways) never entered the house or were never invited inside to wait... correct?

[TTownMike]

for the kidnap theory fans - this guy Charles Croes said he was called because he ran a rental cell phone company on the island and the Twitty's know him (I think I got that right) and they wanted info "about a cell phone call" - since clearly Natalee's cell phone was not from one of this guy's phone (and the "chaperone" had Natalee's cell phone and was using it to call her family) what phone call could CC be refering to???

He was very carefully not saying more than "a phone call" and Greta was too - sounded as if they had an agreement that she would not ask about that phone call as part of the interview - or so it sounded to me.

so --- ransom call?

How do you know Natalee didn't rent a cell phone from Charles Croes' company? The majority of U.S. cell phones don't work in Aruba, so you have to rent a cell phone.

I wonder if she would have felt she needed to rent a cellphone!  Do ya think the other kids had them?

[la_cavalière]

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[someone]

If he didn't know she was missing, or something had happened, why would he have to make up a STORY at all????

Maybe because an Alabama gang is getting in your face and insinuating you did something to her? Imagine if he told them then that he left her alone on the beach, acting crazy...

if you've got nothing to hide there is NO reason to lie.  If you're innocent of any wrong doing you can prove it by telling the TRUTH.

So in Joran's case...WHICH story does he want to propose as truth?

From what this Charles Croes just said there was not anyone in Joran's face in the beginning.  Sounded as if everything was pretty calm at the VDS house.  So, why lie?

Another thing to notice about the lie.  It is not like he was masking details about the night that would have been embarassing.  

He claimed that:

They made out/fondled
Their were "sexual discussions"
She was doing drugs and was drunk
He was drinking
They were dancing provocatively
She came on to him

The only thing he lied about was the location. So obviously he wasnt trying to disguise his behavior.

This is also something peculiar.  I realize the Natalee friend's and family want to portray her in the best light...but really, everything people say about Natalee is completely true.  And I'm trying to stay objective here.

The only people that have spoken for Joran's character are his parents and possible one other girl (never saw the interview but heard something about it).

Isn't it odd that a shy girl who really hasn't had many boyfriends is "dancing provocatively" and "coming on" to an islander who is known for his romancing ways.  Even to say so far that SHE made HIM uncomfortable.

He say she was drinking, doing drugs, dancing provocatively, making him uncomfortable, wanting to leave with him...but honestly, with the facts already given about both individuals does it seem realistic that Natalee would be the one doing these things while poor Joran stood back sipping a beer???

[Scott]

Unless I missed it, I thought Greta was going to reveal the content of the text message sent from Joran to Deepak that evening.  Was I asleep at the wheel?

[Ting]

Carles Croes is not family of Mariaine Croes, I asked my mom, she knows that Charles Croes (or knows of him).

I would love to know what she knows of him. I wonder if the Aruba polis have questioned him at all.

[iquitos]

Hi ever body!  Big news night! What Greta is fixxin to say is my point exactly!  He made his lies before he had reason to know anything was wrong! I see that is a shared view!  
I'm looking forward to seeing what y'all have to say, bout that!

Dad calls Joran, "the family of the girl you were with last night, she's missing"
Joran gets off the phone and tells Deepak, "please just say that you dropped us off at HI, they meet with family at house, tell the HI story and Deepak goes home and asks Satish to do the same...

Story concocted.....

all else in e-mail true to Deepaks knowledge.

**Deepak worked 4-11 on Monday**

that is why they call you wonder woman, incisive, cut ot he chase.  we need a mutually agreeable story quick.  Satish was with him in Deepak's car or were they all three out at the Wyndham hiding the body under the craps table?   they cooked it up on the fly when the Alabama delegation showed up and they were tipped off.  but they probably had at least an inkling something was terribly wrong.  e  and too much booze don't mix.

[mitzid66]

Arubagirl, not only do you have great info!!  Mom is helpin' to, huh?  

Thanks to both of you!

Have a wonderful day!

Mitzi

[DivaToo]

Good Night Monkeys

I am tired.
I want Nat home NOW
I want answers
I want Papa VDS to not be visiting Joran giving any more "advice".
I want peace and a happy ending for Beth & fam.

I'm so tired, I just want this to  end, the more I know the more confused I get

To beddy bye I go

[bobntexas]

Wow, that was revealing. The Police Commissioner will be moving back to Holland after July 15th and will not have to suffer the rath of the Arubian public for botching the investigation assumming that Jossey was correct.

[DT]

If he didn't know she was missing, or something had happened, why would he have to make up a STORY at all????

Maybe because an Alabama gang is getting in your face and insinuating you did something to her? Imagine if he told them then that he left her alone on the beach, acting crazy...

if you've got nothing to hide there is NO reason to lie.  If you're innocent of any wrong doing you can prove it by telling the TRUTH.

So in Joran's case...WHICH story does he want to propose as truth?

From what this Charles Croes just said there was not anyone in Joran's face in the beginning.  Sounded as if everything was pretty calm at the VDS house.  So, why lie?

Another thing to notice about the lie.  It is not like he was masking details about the night that would have been embarassing.  

He claimed that:

They made out/fondled
Their were "sexual discussions"
She was doing drugs and was drunk
He was drinking
They were dancing provocatively
She came on to him

The only thing he lied about was the location. So obviously he wasnt trying to disguise his behavior.

This is also something peculiar.  I realize the Natalee friend's and family want to portray her in the best light...but really, everything people say about Natalee is completely true.  And I'm trying to stay objective here.

The only people that have spoken for Joran's character are his parents and possible one other girl (never saw the interview but heard something about it).

Isn't it odd that a shy girl who really hasn't had many boyfriends is "dancing provocatively" and "coming on" to an islander who is known for his romancing ways.  Even to say so far that SHE made HIM uncomfortable.

He say she was drinking, doing drugs, dancing provocatively, making him uncomfortable, wanting to leave with him...but honestly, with the facts already given about both individuals does it seem realistic that Natalee would be the one doing these things while poor Joran stood back sipping a beer???

It is always possible, I mean all her friends could have been lying and portraying a different person than she was.  But, again, it is the word of one confirmed liar versus many people.

[Shellbell]

Okay now that I am twisted, and an idiot.  The other boards Other thorie things confuses me...............I cant understand it!!!
Or its the ambien.

[Anna]

Holiday Inn story - BOGUS
2 Black Guards - Scapegoats
Deepak Email - papertrail of alibi
Natalee on Drugs - BOVINE MANURE
Mariott - Probably never went there
Lighthouse - Probably never went there
Paul Van Der sloot - accomplis - who did he call in the following days?
Joran - Guilty
Deepak - Guilty
Satish - Guilty by association

Crime - murder, rape - diisorganized cant get story straight
Criminals - Deepak, Joran,Satish, Paul, and whoever disposed of the body
Crime Scene/victim - Absent - organized-  unable to locate

That is excellent!  Cudd'nt a said it better myseff! Sotaspeak!

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Remember when Joren said the brothers dropped him off first and took N back to HI without him?  Yet another version.

[klaasend]

someone

The only people that have spoken for Joran's character are his parents and possible one other girl (never saw the interview but heard something about it).

Isn't it odd that a shy girl who really hasn't had many boyfriends is "dancing provocatively" and "coming on" to an islander who is known for his romancing ways.  Even to say so far that SHE made HIM uncomfortable.

He say she was drinking, doing drugs, dancing provocatively, making him uncomfortable, wanting to leave with him...but honestly, with the facts already given about both individuals does it seem realistic that Natalee would be the one doing these things while poor Joran stood back sipping a beer???

I don't believe ONE WORD that comes out of Joran's mouth!

[altruist]

UPDATE

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[arubagirl]

van der Straaten is going to go back to Neth.? I know that he was retiring, but I thought he was going to stay here.

[pinemeadows]

[Yes, that was a rant. We are all tired.

Aw-w-w Ting...here's a group hug, okay?  

Anyway, I owe ya one.