RBN#35 06/29/05 Wed-Thursday Overnight.

[klaasend]

Going to sleep

Bye

Nite..thanks for all your help!  

[klaasend]

Btw am I the only one who thinks that the story joran gave and the email from deepak match a little to closely.  It is almost as if one was a copy of the other.

Ya think??

[KerinTX]

excerpt, purported deepak email:

The story starts sunday night when a friend of mine was playing poker at a local casino (in the holiday inn) after he won the poker at the fourth place he decided to get up and play some blackjack so he went to the blackjack table and there was natalee (they were a lil drunk ) so my friend started playing blackjack and he was winning quite good , so then natalee approached him and introduced herself and said to him'' your a lucky guy , can you help me win some of my money back i lost $ 360 , of my fathers money'' so my friend said ok , why not . so he started playing and he won 100 $ for her back and he said hey thats the best i can do for you because i doubt it i can win more money for you so its better i quit so she said ok but at least let me buy you a drink so they went to the bar (in the casino).end excerpt

Now, when did they have time to make this all up?  looks like joran used it and then sold it to the other two or they cooked it up on the way back from the wyndham if that is where they were instead of out disposing of a body.  i think extasy and alcohol overdose

When exactly ( and where) was that posted, please!

TT, thats wonder womans e-mail remember?

[writenow]

Isn't it odd that a shy girl who really hasn't had many boyfriends is "dancing provocatively" and "coming on" to an islander who is known for his romancing ways.  Even to say so far that SHE made HIM uncomfortable.

He say she was drinking, doing drugs, dancing provocatively, making him uncomfortable, wanting to leave with him...but honestly, with the facts already given about both individuals does it seem realistic that Natalee would be the one doing these things while poor Joran stood back sipping a beer???

Well, we know Natalee's exboyfriend was on the trip, so she had had a boyfriend. And her friends said at CnCs that she looked uncomfortable when Joran was talking to her.

[~TAZ_MAN~]

just like Joran tried to "shift" responsibility of him being out late onto his mother "because she was in Holland".....hes doing the same thing by trying to portray natalee as a loose druken drug taker.....

His mind can only comprehend the fact that things are never his fault.

Even as he sits in jail for this crime, hes only thinking about what hes missing out on.  He could care less about the pain hes caused.

[WonderWoman]

I agree this is a fully concocted story.  AND, the email WW received was one of many stupid things they did to fuel this story.  I'm sure that email, if originally from Deepak, or a friend of his,  was emailed to tons of people to help support their lie.

Considering the fact that Deepak was asked, via e-mail, if he had heard about the missing girl, and responded....I doubt that he went around emailing it to everyone he knew.....He was asked and replyed to it, for fear that the friend would OBVIOSLY see it on the "news"

[someone]

It is always possible, I mean all her friends could have been lying and portraying a different person than she was.  But, again, it is the word of one confirmed liar versus many people.

I am personally telling you that the people that have come forward to speak on Natalee's behalf have said nothing but the truth.

I feel strongly that they have as well, although no one can ever be 100% sure.  Girls who act the way natalee was supposed to have acted that night usually arent going to have so many friends backing up their character.

I don't believe she acted this way at all.  HOWEVER, what if she did?  Does that make her less of a victim?

Nothing would make her less of a victim...nothing.  But the story that Joran and his friends concocted of Natalee's behavior that night doesn't match the actual Natalee.  Its not just about her character and grades.. she isn't fake...her life wasn't an act.  She genuinely loved her family, school, and was well liked by her peers.
Their version of the story is just one more possible lie.  Maybe that really did happen, but the chances of that really happening are very small.

[Ting]

make Natalee into a monster....

I would not characterize dancing provocatively, doing recreational drugs or drinking alcohol as a monster-making building blocks, nor would I consider that those activities would lessen the seriousness of any harm done to the individual, male or female.

However, I recognize that many people have a different view. I have read messages elsewhere that consider the entire case more of a property crime.

It is remarkable how frequently people who seem to be on opposite sides of an issue have more in common than they realize.

[TTownMike]

Hi ever body!  Big news night! What Greta is fixxin to say is my point exactly!  He made his lies before he had reason to know anything was wrong! I see that is a shared view!  
I'm looking forward to seeing what y'all have to say, bout that!

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I remember where I heard it first, Mike, sotaspeak!

Hey Anna!  Ya takin names?

[iquitos]

If he didn't know she was missing, or something had happened, why would he have to make up a STORY at all????

Maybe because an Alabama gang is getting in your face and insinuating you did something to her? Imagine if he told them then that he left her alone on the beach, acting crazy...

if you've got nothing to hide there is NO reason to lie.  If you're innocent of any wrong doing you can prove it by telling the TRUTH.

So in Joran's case...WHICH story does he want to propose as truth?

From what this Charles Croes just said there was not anyone in Joran's face in the beginning.  Sounded as if everything was pretty calm at the VDS house.  So, why lie?

Another thing to notice about the lie.  It is not like he was masking details about the night that would have been embarassing.  

He claimed that:

They made out/fondled
Their were "sexual discussions"
She was doing drugs and was drunk
He was drinking
They were dancing provocatively
She came on to him

The only thing he lied about was the location. So obviously he wasnt trying to disguise his behavior.

This is also something peculiar.  I realize the Natalee friend's and family want to portray her in the best light...but really, everything people say about Natalee is completely true.  And I'm trying to stay objective here.

The only people that have spoken for Joran's character are his parents and possible one other girl (never saw the interview but heard something about it).

Isn't it odd that a shy girl who really hasn't had many boyfriends is "dancing provocatively" and "coming on" to an islander who is known for his romancing ways.  Even to say so far that SHE made HIM uncomfortable.

He say she was drinking, doing drugs, dancing provocatively, making him uncomfortable, wanting to leave with him...but honestly, with the facts already given about both individuals does it seem realistic that Natalee would be the one doing these things while poor Joran stood back sipping a beer???

I think in coming up with their lie these boys had to make Natalee into a monster...of course, they think it helps support their story.  I'm well aware of the antics of teenagers...and the partying they do.  However, in this case we have NO reason to believe this depiction of Natalee.  There isn't one person who has offered evidence to contradict the way her character has been described.

I agree this is a fully concocted story.  AND, the email WW received was one of many stupid things they did to fuel this story.  I'm sure that email, if originally from Deepak, or a friend of his,  was emailed to tons of people to help support their lie.

we have been over this ground before.  everything the three say can be taken with a grain of salt but, i am sorry, nothing i have read here makes natalee look like a monster.  she looks like millions of young people look on a saturday night all over the country.   we are not here at this point to mythify natalee or to judge her.  we are trying to figure out what happened to her so we have to think outside the box and consider all scenarios.

[writenow]

Going to sleep
Bye

Nite! Thanks for stopping by!

[medleyrelay]

I think many of the Alabama teens were not only covering for Natalee but for themselves as well - have you not talked to teens these days about partying - most of them act like everyone is hardly drinking or carrying on in a crazy way - obviously they did not go back to their rooms but stayed up all nite - No one missed her till departure time - I am not saying there is anything wrong with this - but I just think they all portrayed Natalee in a perfect way and perhaps she was just a normal crazy young 18 year old having a wild senior trip

And why does Beth keep harping on Joran being out drinking, gambling and partying when the Alabama teens were doing the same thing - they were both seniors - it is ok for the Americans but not the Arubans - that aggrivates me every time Beth harps on it!

[WonderWoman]

It is always possible, I mean all her friends could have been lying and portraying a different person than she was.  But, again, it is the word of one confirmed liar versus many people.

I am personally telling you that the people that have come forward to speak on Natalee's behalf have said nothing but the truth.

And these are certainly not the people that didn't know what she was doing every night while on vacation, when she didn't return to her room?

[TTownMike]

excerpt, purported deepak email:

The story starts sunday night when a friend of mine was playing poker at a local casino (in the holiday inn) after he won the poker at the fourth place he decided to get up and play some blackjack so he went to the blackjack table and there was natalee (they were a lil drunk ) so my friend started playing blackjack and he was winning quite good , so then natalee approached him and introduced herself and said to him'' your a lucky guy , can you help me win some of my money back i lost $ 360 , of my fathers money'' so my friend said ok , why not . so he started playing and he won 100 $ for her back and he said hey thats the best i can do for you because i doubt it i can win more money for you so its better i quit so she said ok but at least let me buy you a drink so they went to the bar (in the casino).end excerpt

Now, when did they have time to make this all up?  looks like joran used it and then sold it to the other two or they cooked it up on the way back from the wyndham if that is where they were instead of out disposing of a body.  i think extasy and alcohol overdose

I'm sorry, but I doubt anyone is going to help a friend cover up an accidental death when faced with murder charges.  Satish or Deepak would have spilled the beans by now.

I agree DT, that poop don't float!

[homeontherange]

Unless I missed it, I thought Greta was going to reveal the content of the text message sent from Joran to Deepak that evening.  Was I asleep at the wheel?

nope, that's what i heard too.

[nancy_drew]

make Natalee into a monster....

I would not characterize dancing provocatively, doing recreational drugs or drinking alcohol as a monster-making building blocks, nor would I consider that those activities would lessen the seriousness of any harm done to the individual, male or female.

However, I recognize that many people have a different view. I have read messages elsewhere that consider the entire case more of a property crime.

It is remarkable how frequently people who seem to be on opposite sides of an issue have more in common than they realize.

I don't think dancing, drinking, etc is monster making either...BUT, in scared, guilty guy speak they chose to darken her image as part of their conjured up lie.

[DT]

It is always possible, I mean all her friends could have been lying and portraying a different person than she was.  But, again, it is the word of one confirmed liar versus many people.

I am personally telling you that the people that have come forward to speak on Natalee's behalf have said nothing but the truth.

And these are certainly not the people that didn't know what she was doing every night while on vacation, when she didn't return to her room?

She didn't return to her room every night on vacation?  News to me.

[WonderWoman]

Hi ever body!  Big news night! What Greta is fixxin to say is my point exactly!  He made his lies before he had reason to know anything was wrong! I see that is a shared view!  
I'm looking forward to seeing what y'all have to say, bout that!

Dad calls Joran, "the family of the girl you were with last night, she's missing"
Joran gets off the phone and tells Deepak, "please just say that you dropped us off at HI, they meet with family at house, tell the HI story and Deepak goes home and asks Satish to do the same...

Story concocted.....

all else in e-mail true to Deepaks knowledge.

**Deepak worked 4-11 on Monday**

that is why they call you wonder woman, incisive, cut ot he chase.  we need a mutually agreeable story quick.  Satish was with him in Deepak's car or were they all three out at the Wyndham hiding the body under the craps table?   they cooked it up on the fly when the Alabama delegation showed up and they were tipped off.  but they probably had at least an inkling something was terribly wrong.  e  and too much booze don't mix.

It amazes me that some people are willing to believe the words of someone who has lied regarding the disappearence of a girl 8 times and who has falsely incriminated two other people, against the word of the girls family and friends.

Please stop exaggerating....

[writenow]

Good Night Monkeys

I am tired.
I want Nat home NOW
I want answers
I want Papa VDS to not be visiting Joran giving any more "advice".
I want peace and a happy ending for Beth & fam.

I'm so tired, I just want this to  end, the more I know the more confused I get :(

To beddy bye I go

Agreed. Nite Diva!

[Ella's Mom]

Greta is on O'Rielly (sp?)  Yuck!!  He is being so rude and interrupting her.  O'Reilly will not let her speak.