RBN#35 06/29/05 Wed-Thursday Overnight.

[nancy_drew]

O'Reilly is such a jerk. Did anyone just see him with Greta.  He makes me itch.

[DT]

Hi ever body!  Big news night! What Greta is fixxin to say is my point exactly!  He made his lies before he had reason to know anything was wrong! I see that is a shared view!  
I'm looking forward to seeing what y'all have to say, bout that!

Dad calls Joran, "the family of the girl you were with last night, she's missing"
Joran gets off the phone and tells Deepak, "please just say that you dropped us off at HI, they meet with family at house, tell the HI story and Deepak goes home and asks Satish to do the same...

Story concocted.....

all else in e-mail true to Deepaks knowledge.

**Deepak worked 4-11 on Monday**

that is why they call you wonder woman, incisive, cut ot he chase.  we need a mutually agreeable story quick.  Satish was with him in Deepak's car or were they all three out at the Wyndham hiding the body under the craps table?   they cooked it up on the fly when the Alabama delegation showed up and they were tipped off.  but they probably had at least an inkling something was terribly wrong.  e  and too much booze don't mix.

It amazes me that some people are willing to believe the words of someone who has lied regarding the disappearence of a girl 8 times and who has falsely incriminated two other people, against the word of the girls family and friends.

Please stop exaggerating....

Where did I exaggerate. Everything I have said in that previous post is factual and has been confirmed by reliable sources.

[Scott]

Hi ever body!  Big news night! What Greta is fixxin to say is my point exactly!  He made his lies before he had reason to know anything was wrong! I see that is a shared view!  
I'm looking forward to seeing what y'all have to say, bout that!

Dad calls Joran, "the family of the girl you were with last night, she's missing"
Joran gets off the phone and tells Deepak, "please just say that you dropped us off at HI, they meet with family at house, tell the HI story and Deepak goes home and asks Satish to do the same...

Story concocted.....

all else in e-mail true to Deepaks knowledge.

**Deepak worked 4-11 on Monday**

Why are Deepak and Satish still being detained?

You went public with Deepak's e-mail only after I shared my theory on Natalee voluntarily doing X.

Did your friend ever share with you where Natalee got the X from?

Feel free to PM me if you'd prefer not to divulge this info publicly.

[pybird]

New/Different  Judge
New/Different  Prosecution Spokesperson
New/Different  Polis Commish

Am I missing anyone?????

[TTownMike]

If he didn't know she was missing, or something had happened, why would he have to make up a STORY at all????

Maybe because an Alabama gang is getting in your face and insinuating you did something to her? Imagine if he told them then that he left her alone on the beach, acting crazy...

Gimme a break there Cav', Seems he was purty composed, to me! Not just a little lie!  KnowwhutImean?

[iquitos]

Wow, that was revealing. The Police Commissioner will be moving back to Holland after July 15th and will not have to suffer the rath of the Arubian public for botching the investigation assumming that Jossey was correct.

This may have already been said and if so I apologize.  I have been trying to keep up tonight.  But isn't this the "Godfather"?

is this not convenient. the unsolved crime can now be blamed on the ex police chief and life can go on.

[RB]

O'Reilly is such a jerk. Did anyone just see him with Greta.  He makes me itch.

The only remedy for O'Reilly rash is a good dose of Greta

[katya]

Isn't it odd that a shy girl who really hasn't had many boyfriends is "dancing provocatively" and "coming on" to an islander who is known for his romancing ways.  Even to say so far that SHE made HIM uncomfortable.

He say she was drinking, doing drugs, dancing provocatively, making him uncomfortable, wanting to leave with him...but honestly, with the facts already given about both individuals does it seem realistic that Natalee would be the one doing these things while poor Joran stood back sipping a beer???

Well, we know Natalee's exboyfriend was on the trip, so she had had a boyfriend. And her friends said at CnCs that she looked uncomfortable when Joran was talking to her.

Source for that?

[Shellbell]

Okay now that I am twisted, and an idiot.  The other boards Other thorie things confuses me...............I cant understand it!!!
Or its the ambien.

I need some of that!  I haven't slept well for the past month.

*********hands you an ambien.

[klaasend]

I agree this is a fully concocted story.  AND, the email WW received was one of many stupid things they did to fuel this story.  I'm sure that email, if originally from Deepak, or a friend of his,  was emailed to tons of people to help support their lie.

Considering the fact that Deepak was asked, via e-mail, if he had heard about the missing girl, and responded....I doubt that he went around emailing it to everyone he knew.....He was asked and replyed to it, for fear that the friend would OBVIOSLY see it on the "news"

Why should we believe that when the email itself is a lie?  I wouldn't be surprised if he gave a copy of the email to SC and emailed it to his friends.  Probably a suggestion of PVDS.

[Y'alls Psychic Detective]

And why does Beth keep harping on Joran being out drinking, gambling and partying when the Alabama teens were doing the same thing - they were both seniors - it is ok for the Americans but not the Arubans - that aggrivates me every time Beth harps on it!

Maybe because Natalee was legally of age to drink and gamble in Aruba, while Joran isn't.  And of course, Natalee was on vacation, while Joran apparently does those things regularly.

Edited for grammar.

[deepthroat2]

I was wrong.

Joran disposed of her body...probably walked/pushed her out to sea.  The beach is very long and shallow - you can walk out a few hundred feet.

I didn't see that before but after hearing the timeline vs. the news cycle, it is the only possible truth.

He walked home to dry off.

[nancy_drew]

O'Reilly is making an ass of himself.  I think he's jealous of Greta.

What a total jerk.

[TTownMike]

Joran is telling a lie before the first news cycle.   Greta wants an innocent explanation.   Furman can't figure it out.  Ok, here's an innocent explanation:

If we assume that Joran is innocent (go with me here), why would he lie?   He has just been confronted by the parents of NH, the police, and an angry Alabama mob at 2:00 in the morning.   So perhaps he doesn't want to admit in front of his parents and her parents that he had sex with her.  There could be many reasons he would not want to admit it, including not wanting to talk about his sexual exploits in front of his parents, not wanting to talk about NH having sex in front of her parents, etc.  

So, he makes up a story about dropping her off at the HI.  Then once the mob leaves, Dad talks to him and tells him that he needs to be honest and tell the truth.  Dad assumes the first story is the truth, so Joran figures that that he can just convince his friends to go along with the story to keep the fact that he took her to the beach to have sex a secret.  In his mind, nothing happened to her once he left her on the beach, so it seems like a little white lie.   He's too young to know about the %$W&@-storm that is about to hit him.

Of course, if you think he's definitely guilty, this theory will seem as wacky as someone believing in Scientology.

Joran didn't just tell them about the drop off at the HI - he took them the family there and showed them!  I wonder why Joran and the 2 brothers were at the VDS house at that time in the morning.  He was allegedly playing poker - according to the honest judge in training - but somehow was back at the house when the family returned.  I think Joran and  the brothers were together at the house and Paul lied to the family and sent them on a wild goose chase so that the 4 of them could make up a story.  I also think that Natalee was at the house.

Supoposedly took 30 min.s for Papa to come out to the group!  Know one knows who else was in the house??????
Hmmm smells a little like urine in here!  Sotaspeak!

[Charlotte]

I thought that the guy who talked about the tides was interesting.  I guess what he was saying was that, if you put a body into the ocean, it would float back to shore unless you went about 300 feet out.  I know 300 feet isn't that far but you would need a boat or dingy or something because obviously, you cant throw a body that far.  I wonder if the investigators have tried to recreate different scenerios of where a body might float into shore or out to sea.

[WonderWoman]

Btw am I the only one who thinks that the story joran gave and the email from deepak match a little to closely.  It is almost as if one was a copy of the other.

DT-

Deepak states in his e-mail that the description of the casino incident with Nat came from his friend and that he was not there, so yes, they would be similar wouldn't they?  

Funny, Deepak states that was his conversation with Joran THAT night, THAT night that Natalee approached Joran is what Deepak is telling his friend. So before any of this was a story, that was what Joran told Deepak to get him to go to CnC's, to meet the girls'.....

[dragonfly]

It is always possible, I mean all her friends could have been lying and portraying a different person than she was.  But, again, it is the word of one confirmed liar versus many people.

I am personally telling you that the people that have come forward to speak on Natalee's behalf have said nothing but the truth.

And these are certainly not the people that didn't know what she was doing every night while on vacation, when she didn't return to her room?

This isn't the first time I've read this in this forum.  What is this about her not being in her room for 3 nights and no one knowing where she was?  I have never heard this information before other than a few posts on here.  What is up with this?

[KerinTX]

O'Reilly is making an ass of himself.  I think he's jealous of Greta.

What a total jerk.

Nancy...you are a glutton for punishment watching that idiot twice in one night!!  

[Charlotte]

O'Reilly is such a jerk. Did anyone just see him with Greta.  He makes me itch.

The only remedy for O'Reilly rash is a good dose of Greta

I think he is jealous.  Greta is beating the pants off Bill

[coco]

so Charles Croes actually contradicts Beth's story - since Beth says they had an idea who was seen with Natalee last and went to the casino and got the name from the sign in sheets but Charles Croes claims that he met Beth at the gas station then headed with the family (but in his own car with a mysterious local boy) towards the HI to meet further but instead of going with them he decided to stop at several beaches and at one there were 3 cars and he talked to the people (kids?) with the cars and describes Deepak's car and the kids on the beach say "oh yeah, that's Joran" and then give him Joran's address - he then claims he went to Joran's house (but did not approach?) and calls Beth who says come back to the HI which he does and then they all get together and go back to Joran's house with posse and polis ...

methinks CC is trying to look important and is making things up since I do trust BTH's account of her own timeline for that night