RBN#35 06/29/05 Wed-Thursday Overnight.

[Charlotte]

so Charles Croes actually contradicts Beth's story - since Beth says they had an idea who was seen with Natalee last and went to the casino and got the name from the sign in sheets but Charles Croes claims that he met Beth at the gas station then headed with the family (but in his own car with a mysterious local boy) towards the HI to meet further but instead of going with them he decided to stop at several beaches and at one there were 3 cars and he talked to the people (kids?) with the cars and describes Deepak's car and the kids on the beach say "oh yeah, that's Joran" and then give him Joran's address - he then claims he went to Joran's house (but did not approach?) and calls Beth who says come back to the HI which he does and then they all get together and go back to Joran's house with posse and polis ...

methinks CC is trying to look important and is making things up since I do trust BTH's account of her own timeline for that night

I thought that Beth had gotten the decription of Joran from the Twitty cousins, then reviewed the security camera tape from the Holiday Inn casino and spotted the guy who fit their description.

[RB]

That was confirmed by the lawyer from one of the brothers on CNN. Plenty of people saw it. He said that Joran had changed his story 8 times and that he had made major changes 4 times. THere are a lot of people here who can attest to hearing the same thing.

WW, DT is correct that this was reported in an interview this evening.

[Compananzi]

so Charles Croes actually contradicts Beth's story - since Beth says they had an idea who was seen with Natalee last and went to the casino and got the name from the sign in sheets but Charles Croes claims that he met Beth at the gas station then headed with the family (but in his own car with a mysterious local boy) towards the HI to meet further but instead of going with them he decided to stop at several beaches and at one there were 3 cars and he talked to the people (kids?) with the cars and describes Deepak's car and the kids on the beach say "oh yeah, that's Joran" and then give him Joran's address - he then claims he went to Joran's house (but did not approach?) and calls Beth who says come back to the HI which he does and then they all get together and go back to Joran's house with posse and polis ...

methinks CC is trying to look important and is making things up since I do trust BTH's account of her own timeline for that night

I don't think it contradicts. They were both doing fact finding separately. And they both came up with the same name and information separately. Beth was meeting with an FBI guy at the hotel and looking at casino video while the Charles was on the beach talking to people. She called him back so they could all pool info.

Doesn't contradict.

Errr.. why would the kids say Deepaks car and associate it with Joran? Joran did not have a car...else Joran gets lots of lifts?

[igsigs]

I thought the Bama gang got the Van Der Sweat's address from the casino/poker room on that first night? Now this guy on Greta says he got it from some random kids at the beach?

[bobntexas]

Hi All

Just popping in tonight.  Hope you all are well.

I have two questions in response to Beth's interview with Aruban Radio (article on SM home page).  Maybe they have already been answered and someone can fill me in or help me figure this out.

#1 - Beth states that as soon as she was called by the chaperone at 12:00 stating that NH wasn't in the hotel lobby she knew Natalee was kidnapped and called the FBI.

Doesn't that seem like an odd first reaction?  Wouldn't you think maybe still hanging out with friends, could have had an accident, being irresponsible, etc.  But to automatically know there has been a kipnapping and call the FBI???  This seems very weird to me.  Anyone else?

#2 Beth stated that she didn't have any contact with Natalee while she was on her trip.  OK that seems weird to me too.  I know during my Spring Breaks or any trip I took even in my 20's I called my Mom just at least once if not more, just to let her know we made it and we were ok.  Maybe their relationship was different, but I would think all parents would expect a phone call.  Right??

My 21 year old daughter has been touring Europe for the last 6 weeks and we talk twice a week and email the other days. But when she was 18, I'm not too sure she would have.

[Anna]

Iquitos:
we have been over this ground before. everything the three say can be taken with a grain of salt but, i am sorry, nothing i have read here makes natalee look like a monster. she looks like millions of young people look on a saturday night all over the country. we are not here at this point to mythify natalee or to judge her. we are trying to figure out what happened to her so we have to think outside the box and consider all scenarios.<<

And we are doing that but some of us are discarding this one as typical of Joren--blame somebody else.  Note he says SHE was doing drugs, not WE and SHE was coming on to ME, and so forth.  Why is he lying about her in that manner?  To make her appear the aggressor and therefore responsible for whatever happened next.  Not only is this out of character for N but she had a witness who said it did not happen.

Yes, the friend of Natalee could be the one lying, right?  But we have no reason to believe that whereas we know in hindsight that Joren told four different veriosns at least of what happened whereas the frield's story remains consistent.

After all, this was the Sunday afternoon in the casino when she had her girlfriend with her who said NH only introduced herself and talked to him and certainly was not doing drugs.  What happened to NH friend in this version and even C&C?

But two places I would bet she was not that night would be the lighthouse and beach.

[~TAZ_MAN~]

I thought the Bama gang got the Van Der Sweat's address from the casino/poker room on that first night? Now this guy on Greta says he got it from some random kids at the beach?

I dont think where she got his address is significant to figuring out who committted the crime.

[cast]

I was wrong.

Joran disposed of her body...probably walked/pushed her out to sea.  The beach is very long and shallow - you can walk out a few hundred feet.

I didn't see that before but after hearing the timeline vs. the news cycle, it is the only possible truth.

He walked home to dry off.

According to Dr. Baden the body would have risen to the top in the warm waters of Aruba by now if that was the case.

[DT]

Where did I exaggerate. Everything I have said in that previous post is factual and has been confirmed by reliable sources.

errr what about Dash, she had stated that there was no door in Natalee's room leading to the outside to the beach, yet Greta expose on Natalee room it had...

Clearly dash was lying to try to cover up the horrible secret that Natalee *gasp* had a hotel room that opened up to the beach.  That makes perfect sense.  

EDITED:  IT'S NOT NECESSARY TO QUOTE THIS WHOLE THREAD....2 DEEP SHOULD BE ENOUGH - rb

Come on use your head here.  It is more likely that she misspoke or that we misread what she said than her making up a lie about such a trivial detail.  There is no camparison at all to what the boys did.[/b]

[Compananzi]

It amazes me that some people are willing to believe the words of someone who has lied regarding the disappearence of a girl 8 times and who has falsely incriminated two other people, against the word of the girls family and friends.

Please stop exaggerating....

Where did I exaggerate. Everything I have said in that previous post is factual and has been confirmed by reliable sources.

WW - Satish's attorney stated that Jaron has had eight different stories, with four of them being significantly different.[/quote]


Just a guess, but perhaps the interrogators are leaning hard on Joran, and either tired or confused is confessing and changing to anything the interrogators leading him.

[WonderWoman]

I agree this is a fully concocted story.  AND, the email WW received was one of many stupid things they did to fuel this story.  I'm sure that email, if originally from Deepak, or a friend of his,  was emailed to tons of people to help support their lie.

Considering the fact that Deepak was asked, via e-mail, if he had heard about the missing girl, and responded....I doubt that he went around emailing it to everyone he knew.....He was asked and replyed to it, for fear that the friend would OBVIOSLY see it on the "news"

Why should we believe that when the email itself is a lie?  I wouldn't be surprised if he gave a copy of the email to SC and emailed it to his friends.  Probably a suggestion of PVDS.

Klassend-

The part that is a lie is the HI part. THE HI PART.......maybe if you would look at some of the rest of the e-mail, and stop debating "the lie" you may find other answers.

The boys were asked ONE BY ONE to drive with police the same route as that night, they did not know they would be asked to do that.

[writenow]

Hi All

Just popping in tonight.  Hope you all are well.

I have two questions in response to Beth's interview with Aruban Radio (article on SM home page).  Maybe they have already been answered and someone can fill me in or help me figure this out.

#1 - Beth states that as soon as she was called by the chaperone at 12:00 stating that NH wasn't in the hotel lobby she knew Natalee was kidnapped and called the FBI.

Doesn't that seem like an odd first reaction?  Wouldn't you think maybe still hanging out with friends, could have had an accident, being irresponsible, etc.  But to automatically know there has been a kipnapping and call the FBI???  This seems very weird to me.  Anyone else?

#2 Beth stated that she didn't have any contact with Natalee while she was on her trip.  OK that seems weird to me too.  I know during my Spring Breaks or any trip I took even in my 20's I called my Mom just at least once if not more, just to let her know we made it and we were ok.  Maybe their relationship was different, but I would think all parents would expect a phone call.  Right??

Maybe they had received this mysterious phone call from the cellphone in Aruba. And maybe it was a ransom call which they thought might be a fake. And then right after that the chaperone calls and tells her Natalee's missing and she suddenly knows the ransom call wasn't a fake.

[absolut]

errr what about Dash, she had stated that there was no door in Natalee's room leading to the outside to the beach, yet Greta expose on Natalee room it had...

Tom addressed this today in the previous thread. I would suggest that we keep these type of comments about specific posters off the board.

[2NJSons_Mom]

Hi All

Just popping in tonight.  Hope you all are well.

I have two questions in response to Beth's interview with Aruban Radio (article on SM home page).  Maybe they have already been answered and someone can fill me in or help me figure this out.

#1 - Beth states that as soon as she was called by the chaperone at 12:00 stating that NH wasn't in the hotel lobby she knew Natalee was kidnapped and called the FBI.

Doesn't that seem like an odd first reaction?  Wouldn't you think maybe still hanging out with friends, could have had an accident, being irresponsible, etc.  But to automatically know there has been a kipnapping and call the FBI???  This seems very weird to me.  Anyone else?

#2 Beth stated that she didn't have any contact with Natalee while she was on her trip.  OK that seems weird to me too.  I know during my Spring Breaks or any trip I took even in my 20's I called my Mom just at least once if not more, just to let her know we made it and we were ok.  Maybe their relationship was different, but I would think all parents would expect a phone call.  Right??

There was an interview with Beth, at the beginning of all this where she made a comment that included verbiage similar to:  'we want her to be proud of us', and I thought that was odd or weird after arriving in Aruba 12 hours after Nat's disappearance....wondered why that would come into the picture,why wouldn't Nat be proud of her parents, regardless.... but maybe that's just me....yes, I see your point...

[TTownMike]

Holiday Inn story - BOGUS
2 Black Guards - Scapegoats
Deepak Email - papertrail of alibi
Natalee on Drugs - BOVINE MANURE
Mariott - Probably never went there
Lighthouse - Probably never went there
Paul Van Der sloot - accomplis - who did he call in the following days?
Joran - Guilty
Deepak - Guilty
Satish - Guilty by association

Crime - murder, rape - diisorganized cant get story straight
Criminals - Deepak, Joran,Satish, Paul, and whoever disposed of the body
Crime Scene/victim - Absent - organized-  unable to locate

That is excellent!  Cudd'nt a said it better myseff! Sotaspeak!

<<

Remember when Joren said the brothers dropped him off first and took N back to HI without him?  Yet another version.

One word i'd add bout the "Bovine Manure", is "Willingly"!!

[deepthroat2]

I was wrong.

Joran disposed of her body...probably walked/pushed her out to sea.  The beach is very long and shallow - you can walk out a few hundred feet.

I didn't see that before but after hearing the timeline vs. the news cycle, it is the only possible truth.

He walked home to dry off.

According to Dr. Baden the body would have risen to the top in the warm waters of Aruba by now if that was the case.

It would have risen to the top of the water quickly - not after a month.  With the current and wind, her body would be somewhere off of the eastern coast of central america within 3 days.  That would be Thrusday 3 WEEKS AGO.

[~TAZ_MAN~]

Hi All

Just popping in tonight.  Hope you all are well.

I have two questions in response to Beth's interview with Aruban Radio (article on SM home page).  Maybe they have already been answered and someone can fill me in or help me figure this out.

#1 - Beth states that as soon as she was called by the chaperone at 12:00 stating that NH wasn't in the hotel lobby she knew Natalee was kidnapped and called the FBI.

Doesn't that seem like an odd first reaction?  Wouldn't you think maybe still hanging out with friends, could have had an accident, being irresponsible, etc.  But to automatically know there has been a kipnapping and call the FBI???  This seems very weird to me.  Anyone else?

#2 Beth stated that she didn't have any contact with Natalee while she was on her trip.  OK that seems weird to me too.  I know during my Spring Breaks or any trip I took even in my 20's I called my Mom just at least once if not more, just to let her know we made it and we were ok.  Maybe their relationship was different, but I would think all parents would expect a phone call.  Right??

Maybe they had received this mysterious phone call from the cellphone in Aruba. And maybe it was a ransom call which they thought might be a fake. And then right after that the chaperone calls and tells her Natalee's missing and she suddenly knows the ransom call wasn't a fake.

If someone called me with a ransom call regarding my daughter and she was in another country, the last thing I would do would assume its fake.  Id be on the phone to the FBI that minute then trying the hotel to verify if my daughter checked out or was on her plane.

[nancy_drew]

Hi ever body!  Big news night! What Greta is fixxin to say is my point exactly!  He made his lies before he had reason to know anything was wrong! I see that is a shared view!  
I'm looking forward to seeing what y'all have to say, bout that!

Dad calls Joran, "the family of the girl you were with last night, she's missing"
Joran gets off the phone and tells Deepak, "please just say that you dropped us off at HI, they meet with family at house, tell the HI story and Deepak goes home and asks Satish to do the same...

Story concocted.....

all else in e-mail true to Deepaks knowledge.

**Deepak worked 4-11 on Monday**

that is why they call you wonder woman, incisive, cut ot he chase.  we need a mutually agreeable story quick.  Satish was with him in Deepak's car or were they all three out at the Wyndham hiding the body under the craps table?   they cooked it up on the fly when the Alabama delegation showed up and they were tipped off.  but they probably had at least an inkling something was terribly wrong.  e  and too much booze don't mix.

It amazes me that some people are willing to believe the words of someone who has lied regarding the disappearence of a girl 8 times and who has falsely incriminated two other people, against the word of the girls family and friends.

Please stop exaggerating....

Where did I exaggerate. Everything I have said in that previous post is factual and has been confirmed by reliable sources.

errr what about Dash, she had stated that there was no door in Natalee's room leading to the outside to the beach, yet Greta expose on Natalee room it had...

Clearly dash was lying to try to cover up the horrible secret that Natalee *gasp* had a hotel room that opened up to the beach.  That makes perfect sense.  

Come on use your head here.  It is more likely that she misspoke or that we misread what she said than her making up a lie about such a trivial detail.  There is no camparison at all to what the boys did.

who cares?  Dash must be mistaken. I'm sure many of the rooms did not open onto the beach.  It's human error, remember that?  Dash would have NO reason to lie.

[RichinTx]

Give me 5 heavy duty truck batteries, a 5 gallon bucket of water, 1 set of jumper cables, 2 quarts of isopropyl alcohol and 1 uninterrupted hour with Urine Van Der Stool Sample and I'll tell you what happened to Natalee if indeed he does know.  If he doesn't know then 4 weeks in the hospital and a big box of chocolates ought to make it all right.

[DT]

I agree this is a fully concocted story.  AND, the email WW received was one of many stupid things they did to fuel this story.  I'm sure that email, if originally from Deepak, or a friend of his,  was emailed to tons of people to help support their lie.

Considering the fact that Deepak was asked, via e-mail, if he had heard about the missing girl, and responded....I doubt that he went around emailing it to everyone he knew.....He was asked and replyed to it, for fear that the friend would OBVIOSLY see it on the "news"

Why should we believe that when the email itself is a lie?  I wouldn't be surprised if he gave a copy of the email to SC and emailed it to his friends.  Probably a suggestion of PVDS.

Klassend-

The part that is a lie is the HI part. THE HI PART.......maybe if you would look at some of the rest of the e-mail, and stop debating "the lie" you may find other answers.

The boys were asked ONE BY ONE to drive with police the same route as that night, they did not know they would be asked to do that.

The problem is when you lie about one thing, especially something of this importance and severity you lose any and all credibiltiy.  So don't expect anyone to buy everything except the HI part.