RBN#35 06/29/05 Wed-Thursday Overnight.

[RB]

A creepy thought has been running through my mind the past few days: suppose Joran and the brothers are actually in protective custody rather than detention for suspicion of a crime? The authorities could have taken them in to give the appearance of pursuing an investigation,and are waiting (hoping) that the press will lose interest and go home if there's no solution to the case. And that the Holloway/Twittys will just give up ultimately when no answers are forthcoming.
   I've mentioned this before, but I bring it up again because so many people on this board have commented on the fact that Joran looked so cocky and self-aasured in his most recent appearance. Maybe he has a reason to look happy.

*ding, ding, ding*

Question though:  if that's a possibility, why would BHT be so adamant about JVS/PVS knowing something?

[Anna]

The boys were asked ONE BY ONE to drive with police the same route as that night, they did not know they would be asked to do that

WW, I don't think I've ever seen that one in print.  How you know that?

The e-mail, I am sure it will come out one of these days....

everyone is so stuck on "GUILTY" and the ONE lie(understandable, DT) that you all cloud your vision of other things stated in it.

Well for deepak and satish it is just one lie, to my knowledge.  But with Joran it is pretty well confirmed that he has lied a lot.

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Juries are often instructed that if a witness is caught in one lie, they may disregard the entire testimony.  I don't think liars ever tell just one.

[~TAZ_MAN~]

Frank is blowing smoke you guys and laughing as you run to timbuktoo and back trying to figure it out.

See watch I can do it too

Charles Croes was a ex drug lord in columbia now working as a narc.  Not true but you get it.

[Ting]

arubagirl said they guy croes (charles) is a businessman who changes businesses much more often than joran changes shirts.  where did we get dea?

Maybe he changed businesses again between arubagirl and Frank's posts?

[golden]

That Joran footage was dated 6/29.  He was on his way back to KIA after being interrogated.

But I thought they said that it was one of the advantages of KIA that they have better interrogation facilities that they don't have at the jail and police station where they used to be?

If I remember correctly, LE are not allowed to interrogate at KIA, only at the police station.

[nancy_drew]

Anyone remeber, I believe on Dan's site, that the DEA there was able to get Natalie's phone to work on the island, and many of her friends thought it was her calling them. It does make sense that CC is a DEA agent, it does sorta seem to fit together.

I thought the phone worked to call the US but not on the island?  I've never heard the DEA guy helped get the phone to work.  They might be good, but putting up instant cell towers I doubt is in their bag of tricks.

[pinemeadows]

But I thought they said that it was one of the advantages of KIA that they have better interrogation facilities that they don't have at the jail and police station where they used to be?

I don't know why they would need a better place for interrogation - "Joran is not being interrogated on a daily basis.  He is being interrogated, yes, but not daily."  M. Croes.

[igsigs]

I thought the Bama gang got the Van Der Sweat's address from the casino/poker room on that first night? Now this guy on Greta says he got it from some random kids at the beach?

I dont think where she got his address is significant to figuring out who committted the crime.

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Their last name is Twitty.  Why are they always referred to as the Bama "gang" or "posse" by some posting about them?  I find this a very odd way to describe distraught parents, maybe receiving the worst news parents can.  There were a couple of other parents there as well and the Croes man is not from Alabama but is local, isn't he?  So why are the people from Alabama described in this manner?  And remember they are the offended party in this, the one with the missing child and were in the company of the local police.  Had they been as lawless as you seem to want to imply, why would they have brought the cops?  Last ones I would have wanted along, believe me!

No intent to offend here by me. I do not read "Bama Gang" as offensive and I often see it used here in a somewhat affectionate manner. Just my opinion.

[nancy_drew]

That Joran footage was dated 6/29.  He was on his way back to KIA after being interrogated.

But I thought they said that it was one of the advantages of KIA that they have better interrogation facilities that they don't have at the jail and police station where they used to be?

If I remember correctly, LE are not allowed to interrogate at KIA, only at the police station.

They have better rooms for lawyer/client meetings and I assume family meetings..but, ALL interrogations are still done at the police stations.  So, inmates are transported for those events.

[klaasend]

A creepy thought has been running through my mind the past few days: suppose Joran and the brothers are actually in protective custody rather than detention for suspicion of a crime? .

*ding, ding, ding*

Ding Ding why are they in protective custody?  If you have any ideas we'd love to hear them!

[iquitos]

Hotel calls from Aruba would be very pricey but ...

the chaperones used Natalee's cell phone to call BTH et al in Alabama which we know because the family mistakenly thought that Natalee had turned up ok when they got a call from her cell phone (before they left for Aruba) - I find the idea that she did not call home interesting - when my daughter who is 19 or I travel, we always touch base once a day and it seem odd to me that Natalee did not speak to Beth even once during the whole trip

btw, was Jug with Beth in Arkansas or was he at home? just curious

and Greta said Charles Croes ran a cell phone company - doesn't mean he's not DEA but I thought Arubagirl said that her mother knew who he was and that he's had a series of businesses on the island so I thought he was local

 

my daughter is in a very remote and unconnected part of africa now and manages to call and email despite a busy work schedule.  natalee had a cellphone.  why did she not use it if it wokrd to call the states?

[natfortplum]

Anyone remeber, I believe on Dan's site, that the DEA there was able to get Natalie's phone to work on the island, and many of her friends thought it was her calling them. It does make sense that CC is a DEA agent, it does sorta seem to fit together.

I thought the phone worked to call the US but not on the island?  I've never heard the DEA guy helped get the phone to work.  They might be good, but putting up instant cell towers I doubt is in their bag of tricks.

I know that my phone did not work there to the us, I had to rent one.

[KerinTX]

Okay, I have an early morning so I have to be off to bed.  Kerin, can you follow this whole DEA thing and let me know how it pans out tomorrow?  

GOT IT....LOL

[dragonfly]

If I remember correctly, LE are not allowed to interrogate at KIA, only at the police station.

I thought MC said in one of her interviews about moving them to KIA that it was a much better facility with better interrogation rooms.  Maybe I hallucinated that.

[writenow]

A creepy thought has been running through my mind the past few days: suppose Joran and the brothers are actually in protective custody rather than detention for suspicion of a crime? The authorities could have taken them in to give the appearance of pursuing an investigation,and are waiting (hoping) that the press will lose interest and go home if there's no solution to the case. And that the Holloway/Twittys will just give up ultimately when no answers are forthcoming.
   I've mentioned this before, but I bring it up again because so many people on this board have commented on the fact that Joran looked so cocky and self-aasured in his most recent appearance. Maybe he has a reason to look happy.

But FBI has been watching the interrogations. I don't know that they'd sit quietly by while these guys weren't being interrogated.

[coco]

so .. another day with tons more hearsay and very little fact ...
everyone involved has an agenda and we pick the agendas which fit out perspectives

I sure hope someday we know what really happened ... I'm leaning towards innocent still and think there's more here than meets the eye like the immediate assumption of kidnapping, etc but it's really hard to make assumptions about a whole bunch of folks dealing with highly emotional experiences

that said, it's time for sleep here ...

nite all!

[RB]

WW, It's pretty bad when the mod has to mod herself...see below

The e-mail, I am sure it will come out one of these days....

everyone is so stuck on "GUILTY" and the ONE lie(understandable, DT) that you all cloud your vision of other things stated in

I'm not stuck on guilty, however if the "proof" is just the email, I'd like further confirmation before I make up my mind.

RB, I was responding to you, not DT?  

EDITED: RB, IF YOU CAN'T FOLLOW THE THREAD DON'T HIT SUBMIT, YOU DUMMY!  WITH LOVE, RB.

[luna]

From what I gather, Natalee did not drink when in AL.  She is a tiny girl and even a little bit of alcohol, especially since she didn't have any kind of tolerance, would possibly make her do things she wouldn't normally do.  I'm not saying she was completely wasted and I'm NOT saying that it would make her lose her inhibitions so much that she would have sex with Joran, but it would most likely make her quite a bit less shy and more flirty than usual.

Based on the missing profile the Twitty's posted, she is 5'5" and 115 pounds.  So she's not that "tiny" in terms of height anyway....

And another point....everybody conveniently forgets that her roommates stated that Joran was quiet and kept to himself at the blackjack table....  I can't remember if the said she introduced herself or not....I kind of think they did.

Will have to go back and listen to the clip..

[nancy_drew]

Hotel calls from Aruba would be very pricey but ...

the chaperones used Natalee's cell phone to call BTH et al in Alabama which we know because the family mistakenly thought that Natalee had turned up ok when they got a call from her cell phone (before they left for Aruba) - I find the idea that she did not call home interesting - when my daughter who is 19 or I travel, we always touch base once a day and it seem odd to me that Natalee did not speak to Beth even once during the whole trip

btw, was Jug with Beth in Arkansas or was he at home? just curious

and Greta said Charles Croes ran a cell phone company - doesn't mean he's not DEA but I thought Arubagirl said that her mother knew who he was and that he's had a series of businesses on the island so I thought he was local

 

my daughter is in a very remote and unconnected part of africa now and manages to call and email despite a busy work schedule.  natalee had a
 cellphone.  why did she not use it if it wokrd to call the states?

How do we know she didn't?

[Y'alls Psychic Detective]

That Joran footage was dated 6/29.  He was on his way back to KIA after being interrogated.

But I thought they said that it was one of the advantages of KIA that they have better interrogation facilities that they don't have at the jail and police station where they used to be?

I don't know, but that's what they said when I saw it on either CNN, CNNH, MSNBC, or FOX.    Sorry, I can't remember which.  I did see it on two different networks within half an hour, and only one of them gave the date and details.