RBN#35 06/29/05 Wed-Thursday Overnight.

[m.a. johnson]

Ok going with the kidnapping phone call.

This may just be common sense but how would joran, PVDS or any one currently a suspect get a number to call. Nats cell phone was with all of her stuff.

On a related subject, does anyone know if you can get/use c phones such as TRACPHONES on the island?

[TTownMike]

Hi All

Just popping in tonight.  Hope you all are well.

I have two questions in response to Beth's interview with Aruban Radio (article on SM home page).  Maybe they have already been answered and someone can fill me in or help me figure this out.

#1 - Beth states that as soon as she was called by the chaperone at 12:00 stating that NH wasn't in the hotel lobby she knew Natalee was kidnapped and called the FBI.

Doesn't that seem like an odd first reaction?  Wouldn't you think maybe still hanging out with friends, could have had an accident, being irresponsible, etc.  But to automatically know there has been a kipnapping and call the FBI???  This seems very weird to me.  Anyone else?

#2 Beth stated that she didn't have any contact with Natalee while she was on her trip.  OK that seems weird to me too.  I know during my Spring Breaks or any trip I took even in my 20's I called my Mom just at least once if not more, just to let her know we made it and we were ok.  Maybe their relationship was different, but I would think all parents would expect a phone call.  Right??

#1 - No, does not sound wierd to me
#2 - I believe Beth was also out of town...remember this trip was only 4 or 5 days..not very long.  Cellphones didn't work.

Where you been Ella's Mom? Is the air a little thin up there?

[Another K in Texas]

The not calling home does not bother me.  I  spent 16 days in Europe and did not call home a single time.  Most people on the tour did not either.  It is expensive and we were busy doing things most of the time.

Even now I almost never call my kids and I love them dearly.  If something is wrong they clal me.  Likewise for me calling them, but we are just not talk on the phne with family people.

They will call friends many times before they would call me.

E-mail is our prefered method of communication.

[katya]

aruba girl said they guy croes (charles) is a businessman who changes businesses much more often than joran changes shirts.  where did we get dea?

You can be sure that the rumour that Charles Croes is DEA will be repeated on 4 websites tomorrow and by Saturday will be quoted as fact.

o

What are the odds that an infinite amount of monkeys, locked in this website cage, typing furiously on their keyboards, to randomly solve this Aruban Mystery?

Heh  

[bendex]

Have you ever considered that the local mafia in aruba is not amused at all with all the attention in Aruba , with all the searches going on .The police is going to stumble on other suspicous things aswell. The natalee case gives a sort of carte blanche for the police to search many places. So supposedly if another party is involved in the natalee dissapearance I can imagine they would pressure him/her really hard to come up with information.

[KKM]

*ding, ding, ding*

Question though:  if that's a possibility, why would BHT be so adamant about JVS/PVS knowing something?

Because Beth knows that JVS/PVS KNOW who took her next?  (I'm still stuck on you know who (LVJorG).

[absolut]

Another piece of the kidnap phonecall thing, if it is a cover too she would have already been dead. I don't think that they would have thought to get the number before she died/ or was killed.

[TVMom]

Does anyone have any thoughts or insight about this...
I referred to this posting from the home page here on Scared Monkeys below earlier this evening and found the  references to VWs on the Psychic prediciton forum here:
http://scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/viewtopic.php?t=65&sid=d9e7961d285da312dd181f7742c1379f

Jane Says:

June 29th, 2005 at 12:33 pm
Sobelle
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 6:25 am
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First time poster but I’ve been lurking as a guest for a while so please be kind. This may not amount to a hill of beans but I have been searching on the guy named Lorenzo Van Rijn since you guys have been trying to find information on him. I haven’t been able to find anything with using the first name Lorenzo yet but I have found something I thought was kind of interesting concerning a company with the name of Van Rijn in Aruba. It appears that there are 3 business that may be affiliated with one another.

1st business Van Rijn IM- EN Export N.V. looks to be an import/export business from the listing. What I really thought was kind of odd as I kept on looking was that I also found 2 other companies which were and automotive company and a diesel company listed all at the same location. All 3 of these companies are located at the same address in Bacadera in Aruba. I’m not sure but I think this may be a shipping/cargo area.

2nd business known as R & S Diesel Service has the exact same phone number as the Van Rijn Im- En Export N.V. business.

3rd business known as R & S Automotive and Industrial Parts N.V. sell Volkswagon cars which you guys have mentioned that Lorenzo was connected to a Volkswagon dealership on the board before. This business has a different phone number but the exact same fax number as R & S Diesel Service.

This may have absolutely nothing to do with anything and may all be normal occurrences for businesses in Aruba but it kind of bothered me since the last name (Van Rijn) is the name on an import/export business. My apologies to the companies I’ve written about if I’m out in left field with all

[writenow]

Ok going with the kidnapping phone call.

This may just be common sense but how would joran, PVDS or any one currently a suspect get a number to call. Nats cell phone was with all of her stuff.

1. we don't know how many people are in on it. Employees of the hotel or casino? Access to names, addresses & phone numbers?
2. We don't know what Natalee & Joran talked about at the casino. We don't know how nosey he was getting.
3. We also don't know how many days he and his partners in crime may have actually watched her.
4. Don't assume Joran is the "brains" of the operation. he may just have been the one to zoom in for the prey.

[WonderWoman]

Hotel calls from Aruba would be very pricey but ...

the chaperones used Natalee's cell phone to call BTH et al in Alabama which we know because the family mistakenly thought that Natalee had turned up ok when they got a call from her cell phone (before they left for Aruba) - I find the idea that she did not call home interesting - when my daughter who is 19 or I travel, we always touch base once a day and it seem odd to me that Natalee did not speak to Beth even once during the whole trip

btw, was Jug with Beth in Arkansas or was he at home? just curious

and Greta said Charles Croes ran a cell phone company - doesn't mean he's not DEA but I thought Arubagirl said that her mother knew who he was and that he's had a series of businesses on the island so I thought he was local

Maybe hes a NOG, most undercover agencies front up with some legit business... there is always an answer..

 

did you mean noc?  you are thinking of another agency.  in any case going on tv is not good for cover.  this would not good for the case either and i doubt greta would have run him anyway.  how did she introduce him?

Inquitos-

What is NOC?

[TTownMike]

so Charles Croes actually contradicts Beth's story - since Beth says they had an idea who was seen with Natalee last and went to the casino and got the name from the sign in sheets but Charles Croes claims that he met Beth at the gas station then headed with the family (but in his own car with a mysterious local boy) towards the HI to meet further but instead of going with them he decided to stop at several beaches and at one there were 3 cars and he talked to the people (kids?) with the cars and describes Deepak's car and the kids on the beach say "oh yeah, that's Joran" and then give him Joran's address - he then claims he went to Joran's house (but did not approach?) and calls Beth who says come back to the HI which he does and then they all get together and go back to Joran's house with posse and polis ...

methinks CC is trying to look important and is making things up since I do trust BTH's account of her own timeline for that night

I thought that Beth had gotten the decription of Joran from the Twitty cousins, then reviewed the security camera tape from the Holiday Inn casino and spotted the guy who fit their description.

Where you gittin all that, coco?

[WonderWoman]

WonderWoman,

Just looked at your post over on the timeline thread and I'll make the change. I must have read it too quickly. Deepak wasn't working in the MORNING, not that he wasn't working that day at all.

Got it. Thanks!

TY  

[iquitos]

non official cover.  you work out of a front business rather than out of say, an embassy.

[absolut]

Have you ever considered that the local mafia in aruba is not amused at all with all the attention in Aruba , whith all the searches going on .

yep you would think they would have fixed the end of this case by now.

[candygirl]

I know gun to her head give me a number to call would work too. It just doesn't fit.

Excuse me for interferring, but you know its NOT that difficult to get numbers and addresses from the internet.......?????

[luna]

deepthroat2....(back a few pages)....this may actually "hold water"....if ya know what I mean!

Except that someone said that if anyone put a "toe" in the water, a new island radar system would reveal it.  But my question about that is, what about swimmers?  surely tourists and maybe some locals take midnight swims?  And what about jetskis, or other water craft....seems like the radar would be set up for larger boats....so maybe someone could carry a body out 300 yards in the shallow water and put it in the ocean.

I remember someone posting that he had lots of experience with underwater in Aruba....and that the water was shallow near the island, but dropped of precipitously not too far out....and those currents take a body to Panama...not back to shore.

This jibes with my first thought about the missing report....thinking her body, if she had been killed, was probably disposed at sea...duh!  But I couldn't figure out how it wouldn't be washed back to shore.  But I guess Aruba has some precedents of a young boy falling off a jetski and never being found again.....

[TTownMike]

I thought the Bama gang got the Van Der Sweat's address from the casino/poker room on that first night? Now this guy on Greta says he got it from some random kids at the beach?

The bartender who knoew of "Joran V." told them to check a certain cabi!  He knew where to send them!(or show them?)

[writenow]

Have you ever considered that the local mafia in aruba is not amused at all with all the attention in Aruba , whith all the searches going on .

Yes. So those Dons need to lean on some people and make them give back Natalee. Then everyone will go home.

Because the longer the press is there, the more they're going to start digging up dirt on Aruba.

[iquitos]

so Charles Croes actually contradicts Beth's story - since Beth says they had an idea who was seen with Natalee last and went to the casino and got the name from the sign in sheets but Charles Croes claims that he met Beth at the gas station then headed with the family (but in his own car with a mysterious local boy) towards the HI to meet further but instead of going with them he decided to stop at several beaches and at one there were 3 cars and he talked to the people (kids?) with the cars and describes Deepak's car and the kids on the beach say "oh yeah, that's Joran" and then give him Joran's address - he then claims he went to Joran's house (but did not approach?) and calls Beth who says come back to the HI which he does and then they all get together and go back to Joran's house with posse and polis ...

methinks CC is trying to look important and is making things up since I do trust BTH's account of her own timeline for that night

I thought that Beth had gotten the decription of Joran from the Twitty cousins, then reviewed the security camera tape from the Holiday Inn casino and spotted the guy who fit their description.

Where you gittin all that, coco?

 she got all that off the greta interview with mr. croes.

[absolut]

The number they would have called would not have been on the internet. It would have been to a phone in a purse in a car travelling back from Arkansas.