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Author Topic: RBN#35 06/29/05 Wed-Thursday Overnight.  (Read 177909 times)
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« Reply #440 on: June 30, 2005, 12:54:52 AM »

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Ok so here is my new thought on the cell phone call.  

Do you think Natalee could have somehow got someone's cell phone or used a phone (possibly secretly) the night (or next day)she went missing, maybe if she felt she was in trouble she tried to call home or someone else on the trip.  She could have left a message, been cut off, or couldn't say much - then Mom gets a call from chaperone and knows its a kidnapping based on the "cell phone call"

Whay do you guys think?  Possible?


Oops!  Looks like you beat me to this theory.  It makes sense though.
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« Reply #441 on: June 30, 2005, 12:54:53 AM »

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I've never once seen a source for the claim that Natalee stayed out 3 nights.  Yet some people like to continually present it as a fact.


I thought I'd heard that she changed roommates once. And then everyone was socializing with everyone else and people were crashing for the night in their friends' rooms. If she was up late talking in one room, maybe she thought it would be nicer to sleep there instead of waking up her 3 other roommates.

Whutchutawkinbout, writenow?  Helloo?  The fact is she was not missed perhaps for that reason.  But its a cinch she actually did not stay there!  Sotaspeak!
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« Reply #442 on: June 30, 2005, 12:54:53 AM »

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Well, I now have a theory that is a little too scary to post.  Do I send it to someone, or let the police come upon this?

Need a little advice.


Any keyword teasers? Smile
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« Reply #443 on: June 30, 2005, 12:55:07 AM »

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Are you all still going to be here when this case is over?


At the rate things are going, that will depend on the internet access available in our respective Senior Care facilities.
Again, ROFL!!!  Sad, too true.
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« Reply #444 on: June 30, 2005, 12:55:19 AM »

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LIGHTBULB MOMENT:

The business Charles Croes owns RENTS mobile phones to vacationers (I guess since all cell phones don't work down there).  Could Croes have been contacted by that "mutual friend" (i.e. Rep Spencer Bachus) of his and the Twittys not as someone who can track cell phone calls (i.e. the kidnap call) but as someone whose client may be of particular interest???


Charles Croes was contacted by the FBI.
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« Reply #445 on: June 30, 2005, 12:55:31 AM »

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arubagirl, please excuse me, i've never posted before although i've been hear for weeks now. and i'm still on page 32 of the last thread Shocked but why does it matter that the security guard wasn't a "local"? that makes it okay for the police to bust dowwn his door and arrest him in his underwear using 10 or so cops in the middle of the night? respectfully asking but have to admit i was alittle upset by your post.

Arubagirl went to bed


thanks
so much for trying to keep up Laughing
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« Reply #446 on: June 30, 2005, 12:55:38 AM »

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Well, I now have a theory that is a little too scary to post.  Do I send it to someone, or let the police come upon this?

Need a little advice.


send it to absolut.
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« Reply #447 on: June 30, 2005, 12:56:25 AM »

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Well, I now have a theory that is a little too scary to post.  Do I send it to someone, or let the police come upon this?

Need a little advice.


send it to absolut.

no post it, lol...I want to see it too!
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« Reply #448 on: June 30, 2005, 12:56:52 AM »

Same owners as las vegas ? I was reffering to the big drugslords aswell.

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Have you ever considered that the local mafia in aruba is not amused at all with all the attention in Aruba , with all the searches going on .The police is going to stumble on other suspicous things aswell. The natalee case gives a sort of carte blanche for the police to search many places. So supposedly if another party is involved in the natalee dissapearance I can imagine they would pressure him/her really hard to come up with information.


You do know that most of the casinos and hotels are owned by Americans?
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« Reply #449 on: June 30, 2005, 12:57:10 AM »

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Are you all still going to be here when this case is over?


I'm not here now...


i have been lost in trees for days gangsta Embarassed
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« Reply #450 on: June 30, 2005, 12:57:27 AM »

put 3 keywords out there and I can prlly tell you what to do with it. Not being arrogant, you haven't seen my PM box.
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« Reply #451 on: June 30, 2005, 12:57:40 AM »

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Actually...the story was that they got the description from MB kids, looked on video tape, got the name Joran V. for the sheets, AND THEN A TAXI DRIVER TOLD THEM JORAN'S FULL NAME!   So CC must have been the taxi driver who gave them his name!!
 now we have yeat another version.  remember the first on e came from dan reihl.  here is what the press said:  http://www.cdnn.info/news/travel/t050618.html


iquitos...that is the same report I saw earlier, but it appears BHT just shortened the final connections.  I distinctly remember it was said that after they got Joran V., a taxi driver told them his full name.

That would also explain why he ended up driving the HTs around.


Luna, suspect you are remembering the dan reihl account.  see it on riehlworldview.  that is the only one we have with all the pieces in one place.  it is probably not all factual but like the deepak email it is a snapshot that may contain clues.  btw the 2 girls who were on tv together and are close firends of natalees and her roomies did say they were concerned when they woke up and natalee was not there and told the chaperones as much very early.
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« Reply #452 on: June 30, 2005, 12:58:36 AM »

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LIGHTBULB MOMENT:

The business Charles Croes owns RENTS mobile phones to vacationers (I guess since all cell phones don't work down there).  Could Croes have been contacted by that "mutual friend" (i.e. Rep Spencer Bachus) of his and the Twittys not as someone who can track cell phone calls (i.e. the kidnap call) but as someone whose client may be of particular interest???


Charles Croes was contacted by the FBI.


CNN's Larry King's segment  tonight was entitled: Natalee Holloway Family threatens to go to media if arrests are not made.
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« Reply #453 on: June 30, 2005, 12:58:54 AM »

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Hi All

Just popping in tonight.  Hope you all are well.

I have two questions in response to Beth's interview with Aruban Radio (article on SM home page).  Maybe they have already been answered and someone can fill me in or help me figure this out.

#1 - Beth states that as soon as she was called by the chaperone at 12:00 stating that NH wasn't in the hotel lobby she knew Natalee was kidnapped and called the FBI.

Doesn't that seem like an odd first reaction?  Wouldn't you think maybe still hanging out with friends, could have had an accident, being irresponsible, etc.  But to automatically know there has been a kipnapping and call the FBI???  This seems very weird to me.  Anyone else?

#2 Beth stated that she didn't have any contact with Natalee while she was on her trip.  OK that seems weird to me too.  I know during my Spring Breaks or any trip I took even in my 20's I called my Mom just at least once if not more, just to let her know we made it and we were ok.  Maybe their relationship was different, but I would think all parents would expect a phone call.  Right??


Maybe they had received this mysterious phone call from the cellphone in Aruba. And maybe it was a ransom call which they thought might be a fake. And then right after that the chaperone calls and tells her Natalee's missing and she suddenly knows the ransom call wasn't a fake.




Mostly a lurker here, but I agree that it is odd that Beth would immediately assume that because Nat did not show up for the trip to the airport, that she had been kidnapped.  Beth even said she immediately called the FBI.  This seems an extreme reaction unless she did receive some sort of call.  
I thought it odd that Greta did not ask CC about the call he vaguely referenced, but maybe this is something they do not want disclosed right now?
How bout because when the chaperone called her she said "we cant find Natalee!  We've check the hospital and the police and all over the hotel and the beach and everywhere we can think to look and we can't find a sighn of her!"  Now tha might jus make ya thank about kiddnapping, if ya ask me!
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« Reply #454 on: June 30, 2005, 12:59:21 AM »

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LIGHTBULB MOMENT:

The business Charles Croes owns RENTS mobile phones to vacationers (I guess since all cell phones don't work down there).  Could Croes have been contacted by that "mutual friend" (i.e. Rep Spencer Bachus) of his and the Twittys not as someone who can track cell phone calls (i.e. the kidnap call) but as someone whose client may be of particular interest???


Charles Croes was contacted by the FBI.


CNN's Larry King's segment  tonight was entitled: Natalee Holloway Family threatens to go to media if arrests are not made.


Sounds like a kidnapping case to me, hold each person in the chain til you get to the end.
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« Reply #455 on: June 30, 2005, 01:00:20 AM »

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Are you all still going to be here when this case is over?


I'm not here now...


i have been lost in trees for days gangsta Embarassed


FOM!!! A face I love to see!  Very Happy
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« Reply #456 on: June 30, 2005, 01:00:39 AM »

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And there was a scuffle between Joran and Natalee's step-cousin, which if I am not mistaken, People magazine indicates that the family was aware of before Natalee's disappearance.

We do not however, know what the scuffle was about, or whether it involved raised voices, physical violence, name-calling or what.
Please don't take this as any type of put-down on Alabama boys, especially these because they may have had valid reason for scuffling.  
But, in my long experience, both first-hand and second-hand, it's not that hard to get certain Alabama fellows scuffling...specially after drinking, especially with someone they think is moving in on their territory.  Now these same boys grow up to be respectible grown ups, but scuffles start easy.  Very proud, these types I'm thinking of.
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« Reply #457 on: June 30, 2005, 01:01:15 AM »

This is a tragedy of Greek proportion.
The perfect storm hit Aruba this summer.
Paulus' situation at the point of realization a critical moment for generations of Van Der Sloots yet unborn.
Joran at the threshhold ofa promising life with all the gifts providence could bestow. That life that nurtured him shaped a psyche that would not be denied what he thought he would get easily, a sense of entitlement? An emotional peak at a transition in life, all those accomplishments and that physicality. All would be lost, at least Paulus would see it that way, Joran's future and Paulus' present crashing in flames...no, sinking in silence beneath the surface of the mother of all mystery. How deep these passions? How deep the oceans.
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« Reply #458 on: June 30, 2005, 01:01:31 AM »

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Hi All

Just popping in tonight.  Hope you all are well.

I have two questions in response to Beth's interview with Aruban Radio (article on SM home page).  Maybe they have already been answered and someone can fill me in or help me figure this out.

#1 - Beth states that as soon as she was called by the chaperone at 12:00 stating that NH wasn't in the hotel lobby she knew Natalee was kidnapped and called the FBI.

Doesn't that seem like an odd first reaction?  Wouldn't you think maybe still hanging out with friends, could have had an accident, being irresponsible, etc.  But to automatically know there has been a kipnapping and call the FBI???  This seems very weird to me.  Anyone else?

#2 Beth stated that she didn't have any contact with Natalee while she was on her trip.  OK that seems weird to me too.  I know during my Spring Breaks or any trip I took even in my 20's I called my Mom just at least once if not more, just to let her know we made it and we were ok.  Maybe their relationship was different, but I would think all parents would expect a phone call.  Right??


Maybe they had received this mysterious phone call from the cellphone in Aruba. And maybe it was a ransom call which they thought might be a fake. And then right after that the chaperone calls and tells her Natalee's missing and she suddenly knows the ransom call wasn't a fake.




Mostly a lurker here, but I agree that it is odd that Beth would immediately assume that because Nat did not show up for the trip to the airport, that she had been kidnapped.  Beth even said she immediately called the FBI.  This seems an extreme reaction unless she did receive some sort of call.  
I thought it odd that Greta did not ask CC about the call he vaguely referenced, but maybe this is something they do not want disclosed right now?
How bout because when the chaperone called her she said "we cant find Natalee!  We've check the hospital and the police and all over the hotel and the beach and everywhere we can think to look and we can't find a sighn of her!"  Now tha might jus make ya thank about kiddnapping, if ya ask me!


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« Reply #459 on: June 30, 2005, 01:01:53 AM »

KerinTx,

I am almost on the edge of bailing on the simple theory being in my portfolio.

There are too many lies for a boy meets girl story, this rings more of a shakespere type of tragidy. Not completly sold out yet but close.
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