RBN#35 06/29/05 Wed-Thursday Overnight.

[DivaToo]

Joran is telling a lie before the first news cycle.   Greta wants an innocent explanation.   Furman can't figure it out.  Ok, here's an innocent explanation:

If we assume that Joran is innocent (go with me here), why would he lie?   He has just been confronted by the parents of NH, the police, and an angry Alabama mob at 2:00 in the morning.   So perhaps he doesn't want to admit in front of his parents and her parents that he had sex with her.  There could be many reasons he would not want to admit it, including not wanting to talk about his sexual exploits in front of his parents, not wanting to talk about NH having sex in front of her parents, etc.  

So, he makes up a story about dropping her off at the HI.  Then once the mob leaves, Dad talks to him and tells him that he needs to be honest and tell the truth.  Dad assumes the first story is the truth, so Joran figures that that he can just convince his friends to go along with the story to keep the fact that he took her to the beach to have sex a secret.  In his mind, nothing happened to her once he left her on the beach, so it seems like a little white lie.   He's too young to know about the %$W&@-storm that is about to hit him.

Of course, if you think he's definitely guilty, this theory will seem as wacky as someone believing in Scientology.

Joran didn't just tell them about the drop off at the HI - he took them the family there and showed them!  I wonder why Joran and the 2 brothers were at the VDS house at that time in the morning.  He was allegedly playing poker - according to the honest judge in training - but somehow was back at the house when the family returned.  I think Joran and  the brothers were together at the house and Paul lied to the family and sent them on a wild goose chase so that the 4 of them could make up a story.  I also think that Natalee was at the house.

That just popped in my head too, how DID Deepak & Satish wind up in the mix at the VDS house if Joran was paying poker, and "they crossed paths" was D & S w/ Joran?? Did they pick him up or were they at the Wyndam too? hmmmm....


I think my brain is fried....  

[heavyheart]

excerpt, purported deepak email:

The story starts sunday night when a friend of mine was playing poker at a local casino (in the holiday inn) after he won the poker at the fourth place he decided to get up and play some blackjack so he went to the blackjack table and there was natalee (they were a lil drunk ) so my friend started playing blackjack and he was winning quite good , so then natalee approached him and introduced herself and said to him'' your a lucky guy , can you help me win some of my money back i lost $ 360 , of my fathers money'' so my friend said ok , why not . so he started playing and he won 100 $ for her back and he said hey thats the best i can do for you because i doubt it i can win more money for you so its better i quit so she said ok but at least let me buy you a drink so they went to the bar (in the casino).end excerpt

Now, when did they have time to make this all up?  looks like joran used it and then sold it to the other two or they cooked it up on the way back from the wyndham if that is where they were instead of out disposing of a body.  i think extasy and alcohol overdose

I think they were doing blow.

I don't think so.

[mitzid66]

If this call to CC came from the US wanting info on a phone call, can we assume that the Twitty's had rented her a phone for her stay?  After all, how would the Twitty's just happen to know this guy in Aruba with a phone company anyway?  If they infact did, which I am not sure.  Just read it earlier.

Sorry, this all ran so fast, I am sure I missed the big pic.

[DT]

If he didn't know she was missing, or something had happened, why would he have to make up a STORY at all????

Maybe because an Alabama gang is getting in your face and insinuating you did something to her? Imagine if he told them then that he left her alone on the beach, acting crazy...

if you've got nothing to hide there is NO reason to lie.  If you're innocent of any wrong doing you can prove it by telling the TRUTH.

So in Joran's case...WHICH story does he want to propose as truth?

The point is that they made the story up before the family even got their.  I don't know anyone who can improvise a lie like that, it would have had to been rehearsed.

[dragonfly]

If he didn't know she was missing, or something had happened, why would he have to make up a STORY at all????

Maybe because an Alabama gang is getting in your face and insinuating you did something to her? Imagine if he told them then that he left her alone on the beach, acting crazy...

if you've got nothing to hide there is NO reason to lie.  If you're innocent of any wrong doing you can prove it by telling the TRUTH.

So in Joran's case...WHICH story does he want to propose as truth?

From what this Charles Croes just said there was not anyone in Joran's face in the beginning.  Sounded as if everything was pretty calm at the VDS house.  So, why lie?

[blfit]

excerpt, purported deepak email:

The story starts sunday night when a friend of mine was playing poker at a local casino (in the holiday inn) after he won the poker at the fourth place he decided to get up and play some blackjack so he went to the blackjack table and there was natalee (they were a lil drunk ) so my friend started playing blackjack and he was winning quite good , so then natalee approached him and introduced herself and said to him'' your a lucky guy , can you help me win some of my money back i lost $ 360 , of my fathers money'' so my friend said ok , why not . so he started playing and he won 100 $ for her back and he said hey thats the best i can do for you because i doubt it i can win more money for you so its better i quit so she said ok but at least let me buy you a drink so they went to the bar (in the casino).end excerpt

Now, when did they have time to make this all up?  looks like joran used it and then sold it to the other two or they cooked it up on the way back from the wyndham if that is where they were instead of out disposing of a body.  i think extasy and alcohol overdose

I think they were doing blow.

I don't think so.

Well if they did extacy they were doing a little blow too....it's a blend of things.

[Georgiagirl]

The interview tonight with Coes seems to confirm why BHT was so certain her daughter was alive and said something to the effect of "give me my daughter now".  Kids at the beach said they saw Joran with Natalee that night (Monday).  This was after she was to have gone home.

[nancy_drew]

Whose contract did they say was up?

[RichinTx]

Brians Predictions, dont know what to make of it, was looking for Nat info and came across this.  Is he on dope?  I am on Ambien.



A Boy Scout is lost in the mountains of Utah, he his very scared and cold.  Look for him at the highest point in the area that people are searching in, look for some sort of cave of group of rocks.  Not sure of anything else, but if there is a missing Boy Scout, this is when I think he is.

This Brian doof is full of sh|t.

[a Troll]

The point is that they made the story up before the family even got their.  I don't know anyone who can improvise a lie like that, it would have had to been rehearsed.

Point me to the facts that confirm that they made it up before the family got there as opposed to on the fly?  I didn't hear them during the Greta interview.

[Ting]

Maybe there was a cell phone call to the HT's from a cell phone in Aruba, which they believe to have been made by Natalee.  It would explain why they are so adamant that she is alive.  But why wouldn't they just say that??

Exactly!

I am not going to speculate on what Greta wanted us to get out of her Charles Croes piece, the fact that she agreed to edit out so much is notable, but I don't think the most significant thing here is what Joran said or didn't say to whom or when, but WHO called Charles Croes, and what did they say, and how did we get from that phone call to him driving around with this un-named young man and Natalee's family and making decisions to go here and go there.

Yes, that was a rant. We are all tired.

[DivaToo]

If he didn't know she was missing, or something had happened, why would he have to make up a STORY at all????

Maybe because an Alabama gang is getting in your face and insinuating you did something to her? Imagine if he told them then that he left her alone on the beach, acting crazy...

if you've got nothing to hide there is NO reason to lie.  If you're innocent of any wrong doing you can prove it by telling the TRUTH.

So in Joran's case...WHICH story does he want to propose as truth?

No reason to fabricate a story when there is a missing person, whom he did whatever with, he shoud have not been making up stuff to detai if he was innocent...he shoud have said the straight truth

[~TAZ_MAN~]

Please keep in mind kidnappers will try to collect ransom even if their victim is already dead.  So if you believe the ransom story, dont jump to assume the victim is still alive.  

I dont believe this is a ransom issue at all.

[Whitney]

I know who it has and has been:  CaliGirl is the "only girl" that hasn't been around for these days...(play the Spelberg "Shark" music...

Look, CaliGirl agrees, that the Aruban government is still looking and "you now that's she's alive."  

Got it?  Check the Fox News...i't only been near, 5 weeks...

[DT]

If he didn't know she was missing, or something had happened, why would he have to make up a STORY at all????

Maybe because an Alabama gang is getting in your face and insinuating you did something to her? Imagine if he told them then that he left her alone on the beach, acting crazy...

if you've got nothing to hide there is NO reason to lie.  If you're innocent of any wrong doing you can prove it by telling the TRUTH.

So in Joran's case...WHICH story does he want to propose as truth?

From what this Charles Croes just said there was not anyone in Joran's face in the beginning.  Sounded as if everything was pretty calm at the VDS house.  So, why lie?

Another thing to notice about the lie.  It is not like he was masking details about the night that would have been embarassing.  

He claimed that:

They made out/fondled
Their were "sexual discussions"
She was doing drugs and was drunk
He was drinking
They were dancing provocatively
She came on to him

The only thing he lied about was the location. So obviously he wasnt trying to disguise his behavior.

[igsigs]

I think Greta means that the three boys had concocted an alibi, some lies, even before the people arrived at his home.

I think she is saying they knew something had gone wrong before the Holloways arrived.

consciouness of guilt.

AND...Joren would NEVER have told this BOGUS story if NAT was ALIVE!
How did he know that she wasnt gonna just pop up and expose his lies?

[heavyheart]

I suspect they aren't riding the boys hard enough during interrogations.

[icemama]

Joran's parents visited him in jail today without supervision. I wonder if they allowed the Kalpoe brothers to have their mom visit them too.

This doesn't look good at all.  

[WonderWoman]

Hi ever body!  Big news night! What Greta is fixxin to say is my point exactly!  He made his lies before he had reason to know anything was wrong! I see that is a shared view!  
I'm looking forward to seeing what y'all have to say, bout that!

Dad calls Joran, "the family of the girl you were with last night, she's missing"
Joran gets off the phone and tells Deepak, "please just say that you dropped us off at HI, they meet with family at house, tell the HI story and Deepak goes home and asks Satish to do the same...

Story concocted.....

all else in e-mail true to Deepaks knowledge.

**Deepak worked 4-11 on Monday**

[arubagirl]

Referring to the reckless endangerment thing, I have NO idea, Ting.

That's not Mariaine. And that Carles Croes is not family of Mariaine Croes, I asked my mom, she knows that Charles Croes (or knows of him).