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« Reply #20 on: June 30, 2005, 01:15:29 PM »

From what I have read, his biggest message is DirtyHands.  This is the Police Cheif and I read last night that he is resigning.  Shango repeats that he is the weakest link and is the only one left that holds they key.  Time is definitely running out.
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« Reply #21 on: June 30, 2005, 01:27:54 PM »

Jenny;  PM is still disabled.  I would really like a copy of those posts from Shango.....can you email them to me at the following addy?

vada@adelphia.net

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« Reply #22 on: June 30, 2005, 01:46:01 PM »

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Jenny;  PM is still disabled.  I would really like a copy of those posts from Shango.....can you email them to me at the following addy?

vada@adelphia.net

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I would like a copy too Wink
jacy32@hotmail.com
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« Reply #23 on: June 30, 2005, 01:46:22 PM »

June 26th, 2005 at 10:01 pm

Arawaks often go to play in small houses of Babylon with the offspring of the Elders
#  Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 10:04 pm

Are the children of the elders there, or did they flee to Babylon?

DirtyHand knows, this is his Power


go to play = DJ?
ok Paul is one elder but there are more elders... did they leave the island that night?
The Police chief knows and that is what needs to be found out.
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« Reply #24 on: June 30, 2005, 01:50:02 PM »

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Jenny;  PM is still disabled.  I would really like a copy of those posts from Shango.....can you email them to me at the following addy?

vada@adelphia.net

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I would like a copy too :wink:
jacy32@hotmail.com


If you could please send a copy to bizybodi@sbcglobal.net also?  pleeeeze!  I am a dedicated Shango deciphile
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« Reply #25 on: June 30, 2005, 01:54:23 PM »

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June 26th, 2005 at 10:01 pm

Arawaks often go to play in small houses of Babylon with the offspring of the Elders
#  Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 10:04 pm

Are the children of the elders there, or did they flee to Babylon?

DirtyHand knows, this is his Power


go to play = DJ?
ok Paul is one elder but there are more elders... did they leave the island that night?
The Police chief knows and that is what needs to be found out.


They go to the raver houses (Presumably owned by the Dutch crime syndicate) where all the rich white kids get high.

Babylon=Dutch EU type people (as opposed to the native Arawak natives)
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« Reply #26 on: June 30, 2005, 01:55:30 PM »

Quote from: "gagirl"
June 26th, 2005 at 10:01 pm

Arawaks often go to play in small houses of Babylon with the offspring of the Elders
#  Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 10:04 pm

Are the children of the elders there, or did they flee to Babylon?

DirtyHand knows, this is his Power


go to play = DJ?
ok Paul is one elder but there are more elders... did they leave the island that night?
The Police chief knows and that is what needs to be found out.


I've been reading Shango's posts, too. He often alludes to the mysterious Lorenzo, and I think that's what he's doing in the above quote. I think he's saying that the younger generation of Dutch nationals often gets together and parties with the younger generation of Arubans, and the place where they meet up is at house parties, like the ones Lorenzo is reported to have.

I also think he's implied that Dirty Hand knows about these house parties and may have even been there--but he looks the other way, possibly because he's being paid off with money from drugs or other illegal pursuits.

I think Shango's message is found more broadly in the themes from his posts; I try not to get bogged down in deciphering some of the details, because the main message seems clear: the implications of this crime are far-reaching and extend to very high levels of Aruban government.
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« Reply #27 on: June 30, 2005, 02:01:47 PM »

ok but if the police chief holds the key... how do you make him cave?

Shango seems to suggest that there were kids of the elders at this party that night and The Police chief knows if any boats left that night to take those kids back home.
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« Reply #28 on: June 30, 2005, 02:03:58 PM »

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ok but if the police chief holds the key... how do you make him cave?

Shango seems to suggest that there were kids of the elders at this party that night and The Police chief knows if any boats left that night to take those kids back home.


You make him cave by exposing his corruption, which seems to be what Shango is trying to do.

Where did Shango suggest that about the boat? I'm not on late at night either, so I have to go back and catch up in the daytime!
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« Reply #29 on: June 30, 2005, 02:05:08 PM »

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ok but if the police chief holds the key... how do you make him cave?

Shango seems to suggest that there were kids of the elders at this party that night and The Police chief knows if any boats left that night to take those kids back home.



Curious:  Note that there are reports of the dive boat "Octopuss" being unaccounted for.  It is missing from it's usual mooring spot in front of the HI.  

Also (mysteriously)  web pages, logs, and other documents referencing this boat have been taken down &/or deleted.  (reportedly that is)
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« Reply #30 on: June 30, 2005, 02:14:25 PM »

I guess I took boat... from this line

Are the children of the elders there, or did they flee to Babylon?
DirtyHand knows, this is his Power.

And knowing that they report that all boat traffic is monitored on the island coming and going. It would be in the Police Cheif's "power" to know that. I reached that conclusion, I admit there are other options.
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« Reply #31 on: June 30, 2005, 02:26:15 PM »

Quote from: "gagirl"
I guess I took boat... from this line

Are the children of the elders there, or did they flee to Babylon?
DirtyHand knows, this is his Power.

And knowing that they report that all boat traffic is monitored on the island coming and going. It would be in the Police Cheif's "power" to know that. I reached that conclusion, I admit there are other options.


That's an understandable analysis. I think this line also supports it:

"DirtyHand knows the Babylonians that provided escort after the 2 shivas left"
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« Reply #32 on: June 30, 2005, 02:29:27 PM »

#  Shango Says:
June 27th, 2005 at 10:31 pm

Mary never heard the buoy toll

ask the men who play dice and “roll”


And this one... a bouy is normally in water.
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« Reply #33 on: June 30, 2005, 02:35:23 PM »

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#  Shango Says:
June 27th, 2005 at 10:31 pm

Mary never heard the buoy toll

ask the men who play dice and “roll”


And this one... a bouy is normally in water.


When I read that, I took it to mean that the boys and Natalee never went to the beach (as they claimed at one point), but went to an ecstacy party instead. In the post before this, he said, "Babylonians and Shivas do not play with sandcastles." I inferred that the beach story was a lie, and the people who saw Natalee and the boys=="the men who play dice and 'roll'" can attest to it.

It's pretty interesting how different people can attribute entirely different meanings into the same phrases--I think that's the beauty of Shango's posts, though--they make us think.
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« Reply #34 on: June 30, 2005, 02:43:11 PM »

right and i took sandcastles to mean the Hotels on the beach. And who actually built them.. meaning .. they aren't built by the shiva's (Hindu) or the Babylonians.

he says the gamblers know...
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« Reply #35 on: June 30, 2005, 03:11:14 PM »

and if Mary is indeed NH, and she never heard the buoy toll, I take that to mean she was already passed out/drugged on the boat that could have left in the wee hours of the morning.  

I never doubted she could have been on a boat that left,  so what about the radars,  we have radars here in the coastal waters where I am,  just because its tracked, doesn't mean its going to be made public knowledge.....Its so easy to just delete a recorded radar log.
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« Reply #36 on: June 30, 2005, 03:12:58 PM »

yep but then wouldn't you have a blank spot in the log if you deleted it?
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« Reply #37 on: June 30, 2005, 03:19:39 PM »

not if its on a computer....just reprint the page after deletion.  maybe it isnt even recorded anywhere.....

Hey,  Does anybody know much about the Octopus boat,  like what kind of a boat it is and such.  I thought I read someplace it was registered out of New Hampshire......
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« Reply #38 on: June 30, 2005, 03:36:22 PM »

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not if its on a computer....just reprint the page after deletion.  maybe it isnt even recorded anywhere.....

Hey,  Does anybody know much about the Octopus boat,  like what kind of a boat it is and such.  I thought I read someplace it was registered out of New Hampshire......


The Octopus is a trimaran owned by Jethro Gesterkamp, a native of Holland. The only engine on the boat is on the small dinghy, the Squid.

There was a Web site for the boat but it no longer works:

http://www.octopus-aruba.com/

Follow this link and scroll to the bottom of the page for a picture of the Octopus:

http://www.arubabound.com/image/lg/bch/plmbch1_4.htm#f

Sorry this has been edited so many times, but I kept finding out more info!
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« Reply #39 on: June 30, 2005, 03:41:32 PM »

Shango Says:
June 30th, 2005 at 2:31 am
Watcher opened a window looking onto babylon at 2:29.
He holds the key to the ONLY door which opens the door to the lions den


watcher Says:
June 30th, 2005 at 2:29 am
I think Subdude is on the right track about the media putting pressure on
WHY the polis chief is leaving.


Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 3:26 pm
Simian,
his lordship did not bring the expected key
the door never existed
Eden is distant


Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 3:33 pm
Simian
His Lordship did not bring the key found in the car, it did not exist
The arawaks can’t open the door
Hope lies with the cowbous,
but the posse was too late
Eden is still distant

I still wonder if there was no DNA  - therefore no others will have to be linked to the crime/coverup. I think BlueKyGirl and I may be reading the clues the same way but the message seems crystal clear from early this AM. If media pressure is not applied, Natalee's disappearance will be explained by sacrificing one or all of the three currently in custody and we will never know the whole story and how deep the governmental corruption is in Aruba. Will Natalee ever be found? I have to wonder if the dog permit delay for the Texas team was a ruse to allow time to make sure Natalee would never being found. I hope and pray not.

I cannot decide if Shango is legit or if he/she is a master manipulator. I just want that child back home where she belongs! Furthermore, if indeed Aruba is this corrupt, I would think we need to know so we can make educated travel decisions.

Any thoughts?
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