RBN #36 06/30/05 Thursday-DAY

[Kelly]

How many visits have you had to a prision?
Trust me,they Not Monitor Every Word..
It's a Big room with dozens of people..a few Guards standing around.
**No I do not have crime   Pals** but went on a field Trip for work!

You took a field trip to an Aruban prison??

Ever think MAYBE their system isn't EXACTLY like the one in the prison you visited?? Just a thought!

 

[friend of monkeys]

s-  i wonered how Joran got home from casino that night bfore dad (who rode with LE??)) and Twittys...anyone get that part?

I don't think that he was at the casino,,my opinion,,,but Charles C. said to Greta's question that Paulus rode with the polis,,,so I would bet that when they went back to the HI that both he and his father rode with the polis,,,That would be a good question,,a good time to let Joran know exactly what was coming down,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,by his dad and the polis,,  I am sorry, but I do not trust them,,,

Jug said last nite that he felt that some of the people that were helpful at first, now act as if they wish they (family) would just go away,,,,,

HMMM>>> so how did Joran get to casino??

(FOM, thanks for the earlier comment!)

Didn't Jug say that they all went to the Casino to look for Joran - not there - back to the VDS house - and voile!, Joran and Deepak (sp?) were there! [/quote]

At 3am i think it was just jornan

[heavyheart]

Seems to me they'd be glad to have him for a visit, just to 'chat.'

I'd be happy to invite him over to my <s>basement</s>, err living room.
 

[DivaToo]

Hi
have been reading this for a month. just brave enough to get on.
have been wondering. someone posted pictures of ships in harbor the
night they were there on vacation. could boys have possibley taken
her to one of these ships and have friends they sold her to
the beach could be another lie. no one saw them after they left the bar.
is this how they get their money for gambling and partying
just a thought.

Hi Honey    Welcome to the Zoo! LOL
Don't be afraud, just jump right in there. I know its hard b/c sometimes when i post, theres alreadys 2 or 3 new pages  

[absolut]

Unrelated question - why do I have to keep logging in??

We have shortened the idle time out.

To cut down on the number of inactive connections, just taking up space.

[Nutbrain]

Well their tourism and economy is down right now, and if she leaks all she knows the economy could landfall.  They know a lot more than we think.

They also made it clear a couple nights ago at this point they just want their daughter, and dont care as much anymore about the investigation. If they know more, and think telling the media would help, then I am sure they will do it. I can understand how the feel. When my son was missing I didnt care about the legal issues. After I got him back though I wanted justice and basically had screwed that up. No one was ever arrested for taking my son, or helping hide him. Honestly though I was just pissed off and wanted them taken in, now I am just glad I got him back.

I'm glkad u got him back.
the NH family has bit their tongue imo and tried to work with polis to get Natalee...in light of this new truth/lie I agree with their complete frusrtation and personally support them in whatever action they take next.

i'm sure they feel incredibly decieved and taken for fools by LE.
On top of their sadness now, I'm sure they are resentful...Knoing this about lie early in investigation ma have helped to find NH.  I'd be livid.

What new lie??  Monkeys type much faster than my life allows me to read.

[DivaToo]

Hi
have been reading this for a month. just brave enough to get on.
have been wondering. someone posted pictures of ships in harbor the
night they were there on vacation. could boys have possibley taken
her to one of these ships and have friends they sold her to
the beach could be another lie. no one saw them after they left the bar.
is this how they get their money for gambling and partying
just a thought.

hi and welcome sweethoney.
myself and others have thought that too.
it would explain why there is no trace of her...and how joran got $$$ or paid debt off if he had one he didn't want to tell daddy/mommy about.

That's my main theory too, tho most don't agree w/ me. :shrugs:

[Scott]

Did anyone notice Steve Croes face when he said he lost his job over all of this.  I smell a lawsuit!

Whether he is convicted by the Aruban judicial system remains to be seen.  However, his admissions alone render him guilty of perjury and obstruction of justice.

[DivaToo]

Seems to me they'd be glad to have him for a visit, just to 'chat.'

I'd be happy to invite him over to my <s>basement</s>, err living room.
 

Can I come for a "visit" too? Pretty Please!  

[klaasend]

Goodmorning everyone!  Well I wonder what direction this group of monkeys will go in today??  Do we expect more arrests today?  If so, anyone have a suspicion who?

[heavyheart]

Nancy - I'm not questioning his guilt or innocence (although I think he is guilty as sin), I'm saying he lacks the character to receive a scholarship at a university.  

If it's a private college? fugetaboutit.

[DivaToo]

Nancy - I'm not questioning his guilt or innocence (although I think he is guilty as sin), I'm saying he lacks the character to receive a scholarship at a university.  

If it's a private college? fugetaboutit.

   

[dragonfly]

I feel the same. I personally feel Joran is guity. I think he's a cocky jerk. I also think dad has possibly acted illegally. We have the right to discuss this case using our gut feeling based on what we know so far. Part of me loves the thought of "hanging him by his nuts" as someone suggested. HOWEVER, when it comes to rights I take a far different stance. I trust our founding fathers were wise and made our laws for very good reason. The fact is innocent people are convicted everyday...and guilty people go free everyday....while that's not fair...it's still the best damn system in the world

Oh, Nancy I know you are right.  This probably isn't the best day for me to be talking about our judicial system.  Off topic, I know, but my best friend was beaten and stalked in two different states by the same man and we arrived for his preliminary hearing this morning on the stalking charges here and they informed her that they let him out of jail 2 days ago and pled him to a misdemeanor charge of violating a protective order, set him free, and would not extradite to the other state for the charges there.  Today, I'm not real happy with our system.

[DivaToo]

Well their tourism and economy is down right now, and if she leaks all she knows the economy could landfall.  They know a lot more than we think.

They also made it clear a couple nights ago at this point they just want their daughter, and dont care as much anymore about the investigation. If they know more, and think telling the media would help, then I am sure they will do it. I can understand how the feel. When my son was missing I didnt care about the legal issues. After I got him back though I wanted justice and basically had screwed that up. No one was ever arrested for taking my son, or helping hide him. Honestly though I was just pissed off and wanted them taken in, now I am just glad I got him back.

I'm glkad u got him back.
the NH family has bit their tongue imo and tried to work with polis to get Natalee...in light of this new truth/lie I agree with their complete frusrtation and personally support them in whatever action they take next.

i'm sure they feel incredibly decieved and taken for fools by LE.
On top of their sadness now, I'm sure they are resentful...Knoing this about lie early in investigation ma have helped to find NH.  I'd be livid.

What new lie??  Monkeys type much faster than my life allows me to read.

Yeah! What new lie? I can't keep up!!!! I still have a semi-life and missed much of the posts over the last days and the news

[sb]

So what about the withdrawals in the middle of the night by PVDS from an ATM?  Could those withdrawals be $$$ to pay SC?  Since we keep hearing about this, do we have any proof?

This is one of a LONG list of events that we have no real confirmation for. So much in this case is built on "rumors" rather than proven facts. I would lump the "by-the-pool-plan-alibi" meeting, the McDonald's pickup, the "confession", the late-night car wash, and this event together right now as being UNPROVEN.

[Kipster]

>>Greta On the Record Show emphazises the fact that if no MSM in Aruba, was reporting Natalee missing, how come Joran had a ready made alibi with Deepak the night after?

Thanks to the Croes(not the DJ) interview confirmation, this is crucial. He had a lie ready before the public knew she was missing. Another thing Greta hit on last night: within 3 days of her missing PVDS was advising no body, no case.

added: the Kalpoe brothers don't look so innocent if Mr Croes is telling the truth.

[SunnyinTX]

I saw an interview with BHT lastnight...it was a replay from earlier in the day...but she emphaisied that Natalee had been KIDNAPPED....she was also talking about her 90 minute meeting with the VDS's and about PVDS perspiring....and said it was more of what he 'wouldn't respond to' than what he actually said that reinforced her feeling that he knew more than he said.

the emphatic use of KIDNAPPED struck me as odd.....she has gone back to saying kidnapped instead of 'what happened to Natalee' as she has been saying more recently.......sure wish she would have told more about what he wouldn't respond to!

Good Morning everyone!!

Sunny

[friend of monkeys]

I feel the same. I personally feel Joran is guity. I think he's a cocky jerk. I also think dad has possibly acted illegally. We have the right to discuss this case using our gut feeling based on what we know so far. Part of me loves the thought of "hanging him by his nuts" as someone suggested. HOWEVER, when it comes to rights I take a far different stance. I trust our founding fathers were wise and made our laws for very good reason. The fact is innocent people are convicted everyday...and guilty people go free everyday....while that's not fair...it's still the best damn system in the world

Oh, Nancy I know you are right.  This probably isn't the best day for me to be talking about our judicial system.  Off topic, I know, but my best friend was beaten and stalked in two different states by the same man and we arrived for his preliminary hearing this morning on the stalking charges here and they informed her that they let him out of jail 2 days ago and pled him to a misdemeanor charge of violating a protective order, set him free, and would not extradite to the other state for the charges there.  Today, I'm not real happy with our system.

sorry to hear dragonfly...often the system is tougher for the victim.

[newshound]

Sorry if this has already been noted.

If I understood correctly, MSNBC is going to replay (at least parts) of the interview with the Aruba prosecutor.

They said it would be shown sometime after the commercials currently showing.

However, now they are back from commercials and instead are doing an "entertainment" segment.

So, anyway, it's supposed to be coming up - maybe it's part of next hour's show on MSNBC, I'm unsure -they certainly don't have time to show the entire interview in the next four minutes until 11 a.m. DCST

[xcptnl]

Unrelated question - why do I have to keep logging in??

We have shortened the idle time out.

To cut down on the number of inactive connections, just taking up space.

Heck I am at work - I have to be idle either here or my work stuff!!

It seems to be very quick...a couple of minutes (sigh)