RBN #36 06/30/05 Thursday-DAY

[Angiex911dsptchr]

VAN SUSTEREN: Prior to that time when you went to the house, had you ever heard of the Van der Sloots or had you ever been to their house before?

C. CROES: Never.

When I had Fox on... undrneath his picture.. it had his name and he was an aquaintence..WTF?  And he says he dont know them. Man this is ODD!!
Im still confused as how he is tied up in this now. And why Joran talked to him and said NH was drunk.. was on drugs.. Ect....
  Kerin..  any idea???  Anyone???

Do we know if Natalee rented a cellphone from this Croes guy?  Maybe Joran returned it?  That would be a direct link, missing phone from missing girl, returned?

Thats an interesting theory.  Joran obviously talked to this CC guy somewhere.. Hmmmmm..  makes one think!!!

[Ella's Mom]

Author: Charles (---.setardsl.aw)
Date:   06-15-05 16:52

Enrique,
Be very careful when using my name in connection with crime. Very careful indeed.

charles
arubafastphones.com


i found this on the aruba.com site

What did Enrique say before that that got him upset? (assuming this is the same Charles).

[jac723]

  I think I am joing Kerin in the pool too to cool off--WTF is with this C. Croes interview

Frustrating points I read/heard(damn video is still replaying in background on puter)

1.  Get to PVDS home-NOW C. Croes is saying PVDS said he doesn't know where son is...I thought he said right away-he is at casino?
2. What is with "A Mutual Friend", "A Young Boy" no names or anything?
2. For someone who knows not much about the case-who is he to change direction--
C. CROES: After that, we spoke a while. And then we left that location with the intention of going to the Holiday Inn to continue meeting. On the way there, a young man and I were sitting in my car. And on the way there, instinctively, I wanted to go to drive off, pull over to the cabana area, just to look to see if perhaps she was there.

VAN SUSTEREN: Then where did you go?

C. CROES: Then we continued on track over to the Holiday Inn. And we were supposed to turn over to go into the Holiday Inn. And I had made a decision not to and went straight ahead. And going straight ahead, I made another decision to go to the beach area.

Making me mad!!!

[xcptnl]

Author: Charles (---.setardsl.aw)
Date:   06-15-05 16:52

Enrique,
Be very careful when using my name in connection with crime. Very careful indeed.

charles
arubafastphones.com


i found this on the aruba.com site

What did Enrique say before that that got him upset? (assuming this is the same Charles).

Here is what Enrique wrote:

Author: Enrique Gonzales (---.nyc.res.rr.com)
Date:   06-15-05 07:58

Is Charles a suspect or something? Not like him to miss a chance to shill for his cell phones.

[goon squad]

Janssen's explanation of the extent of PVDS' involvement is ambiguous.  She does say, at one point, that it started on the first day after the disappearance.  But later she falls back to "a couple of days after the disappearance."


<<SAVIDGE:  What did the father do?  

JANSSEN:  Well, the father has spoken with those three suspects and he said he gave them some legal advice but I think the advices were going further than that.  They spoke about the situation that when there is no body, you don‘t have a case, and that was already in the first day after the disappearance.

(later)

JANSSEN:  ... I can say that the investigation has shown and he confirms that, that is spoken to them.  That was the conversation only a couple of days after the disappearance. >>


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8416795/

[PoorPaulaNNJ]

FOM;
Okay. I'll wait for PMs. I'll try later to see if they're on.
Thanks,
Paula

[Ella's Mom]

Did anyone JUST listen to FOX in the last few minutes???? I could SWEAR I heard the reporter on there saying to someone that JVDS said something about NH being in the ocean??????  
  I apologize.. TV isnt in this same room as I.. I have it turned up loud but AC kicked on.. couldnt hear very well..
 Anyone else hear this?????????????????????????

Didn't someone say early on that when Joran went to school on Monday he was bragging about being with her (sex) and that she drowned??

[Angiex911dsptchr]

Thanks guys/gals.. I didnt want to copy everyone and reply that way!!

[nisxan]

Hey, check this out. Does this mean that you have to be in a car to get coverage in those yellow areas? If so, a call placed from any of those locations would mean someone wasn't walking...

http://www.digicelaruba.com/coverage/

[newshound]

WHERE is this quote from, is there a URL to the original?

Is it most logical to presume that this is a HOAX --- or, does it sound logical?

“Joran tells, however, the truth. He has left her behind on the beach. But was not that voluntary. She has been doped (drugged ) outside west left behind on the beach. Joran had to, as it happens, an appointment with Venezuelan drug Lord to supply them a blonde maid to serve as a sex slave in the underground world of Caracas. Joran had, as it happens, the necessary gokschulden and stood deeply in red ochre at the Venezuelan drug gangs. Speedboat, normally use to deliver coke on the island was now used to pick up the doped little girl. Our Natalee are alive but not so well in a sex cellar in caracas. Therefore I would advise the americans to look out there. In Venzuela come but few tourists of blonde type therefore it seem to me a rather simple matter to trace the lady there.”

[Compananzi]

Here's what I think at this point:

Joran and the Kalpoe's need to be left to rot in prison until either Natalee's body is found or she is found alive. No body? Fine...then you guys sit it out and rot.

Daddy? Well you need to lose your law license due to the fact that you helped concot a story and that IS breaking the law and against your professional ethics.

Mom? Well I think you need to go ahead and pursue your "life's amibition" of becoming a Spiritual Leader. Then you could go to prison and maybe help save your son (or get a confession).

Anyone else who is coming forward with BOGUS stories just to distract the case? Deport them if possible. If not, I hope their conscience eats away at them for life.

This is getting crazier by the minute. I will now excuse myself from the forum, jump in the pool to calm my hot head and then I am going to fire off an e-mail to Greta trying to get verification on this C Croes person.

KerinTx, before you go, did you see this on the front page comments to one of the articles?  
Peter Says:

June 30th, 2005 at 2:00 pm
@niika

Where are you from ? Are you from Aruba and who told you this ?

Let me translate what you say , using altavista babelfish and a few additional corrections of my own :

“Joran tells, however, the truth. He has left her behind on the beach. But was not that voluntary. She has been doped (drugged ) outside west left behind on the beach. Joran had to, as it happens, an appointment with Venezuelan drug Lord to supply them a blonde maid to serve as a sex slave in the underground world of Caracas. Joran had, as it happens, the necessary gokschulden and stood deeply in red ochre at the Venezuelan drug gangs. Speedboat, normally use to deliver coke on the island was now used to pick up the doped little girl. Our Natalee are alive but not so well in a sex cellar in caracas. Therefore I would advise the americans to look out there. In Venzuela come but few tourists of blonde type therefore it seem to me a rather simple matter to trace the lady there.”

Why do you talk here in Dutch and where did you get this info from ?

Do you have a link for this?

MIA,
Here it is, was in the second article re: PBDS saying no body no crime, as a comment, at 2:00pm, B
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/?p=1203#comment-32353

Boy, I have to say that all this one sided speculation has not abaded.  Where are you all getting these rumors, and false leads?  So far if you believe Joran excesses, we have the following...

Joran is only 17 year old but not only is he multilingual but is leader of a secret gang that has vast underground connection with drugs and sex trade in Venezuela, Columbia.  He knows several sports and even got a tennis scholarship to go to a University in Florida.  He is well travelled, smooth with local girls and int.l tourist.  I hear he even in a band playing lead guitar in Holland.  He is tall and physically fit, and to this date may have committed the perfect crime, and withstood days of interrogation from the FBI, DEA, Dutch and Aruban police.    He also has the capability to study quicky and his hobby is win the world poker championship.   As it is today he sits in Prison with minimum evidence against him, and America is hopping mad that he may get off.

[FreddyFred]

They should obtain a shirt like Natalie was wearing that night, damage it a little and put it in an see through evidence bag, then interrogate them with that evidence bag sitting innocently at the end of the table and watch their reaction.

That is aginst The  LAW.  You wish to Beat them,also?

yeah, really looks like the days of lynching are still around.

No, it's not. Every court in the land in most every democracy has ruled that the police are entitled to use deception to elicit information from suspects. For example, if they're holding 2 people suspected of committing a crime together, they can tell one that the other one just confessed even if he didn't.

And what planet are you living on that you'd equate normal, accepted non-violent police tactics with physical assaults or cold-blooded murder? Geez.

[WonderWoman]

Will someone ask WW if she can tell us the actual date the email was sent? that could be crucial info.

Sunday, June 5th (1st e-mail)

[Ella's Mom]

C. CROES: After that, we spoke a while. And then we left that location with the intention of going to the Holiday Inn to continue meeting. On the way there, a young man and I were sitting in my car. And on the way there, instinctively, I wanted to go to drive off, pull over to the cabana area, just to look to see if perhaps she was there.

VAN SUSTEREN: Then where did you go?

C. CROES: Then we continued on track over to the Holiday Inn. And we were supposed to turn over to go into the Holiday Inn. And I had made a decision not to and went straight ahead. And going straight ahead, I made another decision to go to the beach area.

Making me mad!!!

Hey do you think the young man in the car with him could have been the x-boyfriend staying on to help look for her???

[friend of monkeys]

has anyone heard news off arubadag today????
lurking listeners/aruban friends???  i'd love the local update

[klaasend]

Will someone ask WW if she can tell us the actual date the email was sent? that could be crucial info.

Sunday, June 5th (1st e-mail)

Is that the date of the original email or the date you received it from your "friend"?

[Shataken]

Pretty good article about the case.  Sums up the way alot of people feel.

http://spaces.msn.com/members/AbleAdvocateDAN/PersonalSpace.aspx?_c

[Angiex911dsptchr]

Hey, check this out. Does this mean that you have to be in a car to get coverage in those yellow areas? If so, a call placed from any of those locations would mean someone wasn't walking...

http://www.digicelaruba.com/coverage/

Oh My Gosh!!  I just checked that out.. thanks for the link.
From what it says.. the yellow parts of that map say in car coverage..
I would thik if you can get coverage in a car.. that you would be also to get it in the same areas if you were walking ect.. IMO

[dragonfly]

Author: Charles (---.setardsl.aw)
Date:   06-15-05 16:52

Enrique,
Be very careful when using my name in connection with crime. Very careful indeed.

charles
arubafastphones.com


i found this on the aruba.com site

What did Enrique say before that that got him upset? (assuming this is the same Charles).

These and the others you posted are very interesting xcptnl.  Very.

[mojo]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050630/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/aruba_missing_teen_21;_ylt=AmI1pficp7dia32wokbL10_a_JYv;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl

Aruba May Prosecute in Missing Teen Case

ORANJESTAD, Aruba - Aruba's attorney general said Thursday she could prosecute a case in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway even if the Alabama teenager's body is not found.

Caren Janssen also said investigators have found no evidence to suggest that the 18-year-old Holloway, who disappeared May 30, was dead.

"There are no traces or facts to come to the conclusion that Natalee is no longer alive," Attorney General Caren Janssen told The Associated Press in a telephone interview.

"But that doesn't mean we can't prosecute without a body. It's difficult but not impossible."

Three young men remain in custody in Holloway's disappearance, but none has been charged.

Aruban officials have said previously a murder conviction is possible without a body, but the case requires strong evidence such as a confession, reliable statements and forensic evidence of wrongdoing. Aruba is a Dutch protectorate and as such operates under Dutch law.

Janssen declined to reveal Thursday what other evidence investigators might have.
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SO is she bluffing or trying to get them to confess and show remorse??[/url]