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« Reply #640 on: June 30, 2005, 04:02:15 PM »

Afternoon, monkeys!  I'm just getting a chance to log in and I cannot believe that Mrs. Kalpoe won't let the Equusearch team search around her property.  What's wrong with that woman?
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« Reply #641 on: June 30, 2005, 04:02:17 PM »

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There is something that bothers me about Joran's dad calling him when the Twitty's and cops were at his house on the 31st. He said he called Joran and he was at the casino,so they all drove over to the Wyndham but you can't send or receive calls in a casin Question o.


He was in parking lot, just pulling up to wyndham....
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« Reply #642 on: June 30, 2005, 04:02:48 PM »

If so, do you have any updates.  I am always looking for your posts.

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« Reply #643 on: June 30, 2005, 04:03:54 PM »

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VAN SUSTEREN: Prior to that time when you went to the house, had you ever heard of the Van der Sloots or had you ever been to their house before?

C. CROES: Never.


I'd be interested to know who the friend of CC's was that was helping Beth...and the phone call iself...by who to who and when.  Do we know if perhaps Natalee rented a cell phone on the island since her's didn't work thee?  So many questions , so few answers.

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« Reply #644 on: June 30, 2005, 04:04:13 PM »

Hi guys!  I haven't been around lately...what's the thinking behind Mrs. Kalpoe not letting Equusearch search around their house?  Sounds mucho-suspicious to me.

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« Reply #645 on: June 30, 2005, 04:04:34 PM »

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There is something that bothers me about Joran's dad calling him when the Twitty's and cops were at his house on the 31st. He said he called Joran and he was at the casino,so they all drove over to the Wyndham but you can't send or receive calls in a casin Question o.


He was in parking lot, just pulling up to wyndham....

Really???  And how do you know this?  Can you post a link that verifys this?
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« Reply #646 on: June 30, 2005, 04:05:48 PM »

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C Croes describes JVDS to the kids and a detailed description of car-and from a car that is not JVDS-they know who he is??


Well, this caught my attention too, but if Joran was well known as the "Dutch guy" who ran around with Deepak in that car, I could see kids being able to pinpoint Joran by Deepak's car.  I ran around with a girl in school that drove a yellow Toyota Celica.  If anyone described me and that car people would have known it was me even though it wasn't my car.


We are still young and are into cars so I did think of that too--my husband(23) has an uncommon sports car-but where we live--the car sticks in other guys heads-not the person.  If someone described my husbands car-they would probably say-Yeah that black car with the blah blah blah done to it and it is usaully up at or at the car shows etc.  Nothing about my husband though .  But, then, to me--Joran seems very known in that area and so are the brothers.  Just things and people interviewed are not making sense to me-
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« Reply #647 on: June 30, 2005, 04:07:19 PM »

Does anyone have links to images of all the posters that the family has put up in Aruba, beginning with the first one?
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« Reply #648 on: June 30, 2005, 04:07:26 PM »

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Did anyone JUST listen to FOX in the last few minutes???? I could SWEAR I heard the reporter on there saying to someone that JVDS said something about NH being in the ocean??????  
  I apologize.. TV isnt in this same room as I.. I have it turned up loud but AC kicked on.. couldnt hear very well..
 Anyone else hear this?????????????????????????


Didn't someone say early on that when Joran went to school on Monday he was bragging about being with her (sex) and that she drowned??


I believe that this stemmed from an interview with Mr. Twitty speaking about the day that his friends went to JVDS school to post flyers that after speaking with the Business Manager they then spoke with the Headmaster? think it was & he mentioned something about the possibility of a drowning.  It was referenced that Mr. VDS had been to a meeting with the Headmaster recently, was unsure at the time if this meeting included JVDS presence.  Think I have that right.  I do hope that the Prosecutor interviews both Mr. Twitty's friends & the Headmaster on this subject.  Think that may have been the day before Mr. VDS was asked by Mrs. VDS to phone JVDS about not talking about the subject at school.  Believe this was in the initial days of the arrival of Ms. Holloway's family & their friends to the island of Aruba.
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« Reply #649 on: June 30, 2005, 04:07:29 PM »

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Afternoon, monkeys!  I'm just getting a chance to log in and I cannot believe that Mrs. Kalpoe won't let the Equusearch team search around her property.  What's wrong with that woman?


Hey Wench!!  Im reading., typing.. trying to get caught up myself..lol
Form what was posted earlier? Someone made mention that it wasnt the house the ES was going to search,,.  it was water? or something like that near there??  Maybe someone else will reply about it too!
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« Reply #650 on: June 30, 2005, 04:07:36 PM »

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Will someone ask WW if she can tell us the actual date the email was sent? that could be crucial info.



Sunday, June 5th (1st e-mail)

Is that the date of the original email or the date you received it from your "friend"?


original date received by "friend"

So that doesn't give us the actual date of the email since we don't know if it was forwarded to your "friend".


The header shows to "friend" directly from Deepaks e-mail



WW,

Is Deepak's e-mail through a free service like hotmail or gmail?

Or, is it @setarnet.aw?
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« Reply #651 on: June 30, 2005, 04:09:34 PM »

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There is something that bothers me about Joran's dad calling him when the Twitty's and cops were at his house on the 31st. He said he called Joran and he was at the casino,so they all drove over to the Wyndham but you can't send or receive calls in a casin Question o.


He was in parking lot, just pulling up to wyndham....

Really???  And how do you know this?  Can you post a link that verifys this?


(please do not start debating source, this is information I believe to be true, and it does make sense in answering the question at hand...)


from e-mail:

i came to work normally 4- 11 pm after work i called my friend i said whats up he said ok i'm at the raddison casino meet me there , i said ok  so i went there we played poker , we had some drinks and chat and then we had enough and decided that this casino was booring lets go to whyndham hotel casino . so i drove to whyndham and as i was parking my friends dad called him
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« Reply #652 on: June 30, 2005, 04:11:46 PM »

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There is something that bothers me about Joran's dad calling him when the Twitty's and cops were at his house on the 31st. He said he called Joran and he was at the casino,so they all drove over to the Wyndham but you can't send or receive calls in a casin Question o.


He was in parking lot, just pulling up to wyndham....

Really???  And how do you know this?  Can you post a link that verifys this?


(please do not start debating source, this is information I believe to be true, and it does make sense in answering the question at hand...)


from e-mail:

i came to work normally 4- 11 pm after work i called my friend i said whats up he said ok i'm at the raddison casino meet me there , i said ok  so i went there we played poker , we had some drinks and chat and then we had enough and decided that this casino was booring lets go to whyndham hotel casino . so i drove to whyndham and as i was parking my friends dad called him


It can't be used as a firm source....it should be used as a "maybe" source.  because we have no way of determiniing it's validity.
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« Reply #653 on: June 30, 2005, 04:12:15 PM »

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There is something that bothers me about Joran's dad calling him when the Twitty's and cops were at his house on the 31st. He said he called Joran and he was at the casino,so they all drove over to the Wyndham but you can't send or receive calls in a casin Question o.


He was in parking lot, just pulling up to wyndham....



Who was just pulling up to the Wyndham?  Paulus or Joran?

Why would Paulus even attempt to reach his son on his cell if he thought Joran was inside the casino playing poker?
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« Reply #654 on: June 30, 2005, 04:15:04 PM »

WW:... do they then stay at the hotel to gamble (after J's father
phones him)?.. do you know?

LOts a gamblin' goin' down with that young lil' kid. Wonder where he's
getting the money to that with..?
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« Reply #655 on: June 30, 2005, 04:15:53 PM »

Regarding the Deepak emails WonderWoman has provided.  I believe there are 2 ways of looking at them.

1.  That they are true honest accounts of what happened
2.  That they are ALL (all emails from Deepak) part of an elaborate alibi coverup

Since we know for a fact that as least parts of the first email are lies, I have absolutely NO REASON to believe any of them to be truthful accounts of what happened.
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« Reply #656 on: June 30, 2005, 04:16:46 PM »

The blog shown below was posted last night over on riehlworldview.com by someone named "Toronto":

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Posted by: Toronto | June 29, 2005 08:47 PM

I have been reading this blog for several days now, and I finally have felt I have to comment. I am a blonde female that has travelled alone many times to the Carribean over the last few decades (althogh never to Aruba). I identify with Natalee, because that could easily have been me (I did not even travel with friends). Things on the islands were much safer then. I would be very careful to do those things now.

I have always befriended the locals, both upper and lower class on the islands. On some occassions, I have come across the expats and the local wealthy, which hang around/are one and the same as the "civil servants". They have their own clubs and casinos that the tourists never hear about. They will ofen go to places like the HI casino early in the evening, but eventually end up at these other clubs, only when they open later at night (the odds at gambling are also considerably better).

The "dicemen", or croupiers at places like the HI, will end up working as croupiers at places like these clubs after they finish their shift at the "tourista" hotels. The croupiers would also have thier own clubs to go to after a shift. The high-fliers would sometimes also be there for some home-town local flavour.

Shango (Chango) and Babalu (Babaloo- think of Ricky Ricardo) are two Santeria G(g)ods obseerved by local black decendents with strong Spanish ties. Chango is one of the major dieties. Babaloo is the spirit of health, and is represented by a wood carving of an old man with a cane/crutches, and was often sold at tourist shops (it took me years to find out why they sold those things). These after hours bars will usually have some wild ceremonies/parties in rooms or areas that are usually round, and the room will almost always have a pole in the centre of what looks like a dance floor. Sometimes, there will be writing/figures on the floor. These places are sometimes used as normal clubs during the early evening hours, but change later into the early morning hours, hours after the official closing time.

C&C is strictly for the tourists. The locals would never make a habit of hanging out at a place like that, unless they wanted to hit on some of the tourista girls. I was always careful to cancel all of my plans on the night before I left an island, and go to a place that no one I met would ever think to look for me.

I think Shango is pointing a finger at such a place. His riddle is worded for his friends who would know exactly what he is saying.

Like it or not, the cops are not going to bust all of the high-flying civil servants, and shut these places down!!! I'm sure the cops also know where these places are. As long as Equussearch hangs around with the local police, they will never ever find out that these places even exist. They will be too careful about that.

It seems obvious from the riddle that Natalee went to some sort of after hours club, like one of those noted above. Only some young attractive blonds are allowed into places like that. Someone as beautiful as Natalee (and surely as sophisticated and composed as her mother) would surely be a welcome guest.

The media should go to the bars where the locals hang out. Hopefully,in time, they will end up where Natalee went. Maybe PVDS was there when his son showed up? Kids were often inaugerated and allowed these habits at an early age, and JVDS might have been used as a lure (and therefore popular) at these clubs(why was he never picked up for gambling and drinking long before Ntalee ever went missing?) I strongly doubt that she would have gone there with someone like PVDS, the like of which would probably enjoy her company. The Dutch have always been very liberal with respect to drugs and sex. Perhaps PVDS wanted some entertainment before his wife arrived? I could speculate on this endlessly. The boys will never talk. They would be in too much trouble for revealing the place. I never saw anyone who looked like AVDS at one of these clubs. The wives, if they even knew about them, were never invited.

If you mention any of these types of things to any of the locals, it will be vehimently denied. You will only find out by someone who will trust that you wont tell.

I have also seen luxery cruisers parked offshore. I have never been on one, but the money needed to own one of those things would put you in that small super-financial elite category the likes of which very few would ever see or know about. So I think that the kidnapping theory could also fly.
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« Reply #657 on: June 30, 2005, 04:18:37 PM »

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Regarding the Deepak emails WonderWoman has provided.  I believe there are 2 ways of looking at them.

1.  That they are true honest accounts of what happened
2.  That they are ALL (all emails from Deepak) part of an elaborate alibi coverup

Since we know for a fact that as least parts of the first email are lies, I have absolutely NO REASON to believe any of them to be truthful accounts of what happened.



... it would seem easy enough to confirm if they were indeed gambling
at the Wyndham(sp?) that night.
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« Reply #658 on: June 30, 2005, 04:18:37 PM »

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There is something that bothers me about Joran's dad calling him when the Twitty's and cops were at his house on the 31st. He said he called Joran and he was at the casino,so they all drove over to the Wyndham but you can't send or receive calls in a casin Question o.


He was in parking lot, just pulling up to wyndham....

Really???  And how do you know this?  Can you post a link that verifys this?


(please do not start debating source, this is information I believe to be true, and it does make sense in answering the question at hand...)


from e-mail:

i came to work normally 4- 11 pm after work i called my friend i said whats up he said ok i'm at the raddison casino meet me there , i said ok  so i went there we played poker , we had some drinks and chat and then we had enough and decided that this casino was booring lets go to whyndham hotel casino . so i drove to whyndham and as i was parking my friends dad called him


It can't be used as a firm source....it should be used as a "maybe" source.  because we have no way of determiniing it's validity.


Deepak questionable origin of an email did coincide with Charles Croes info...could this have been a some sort of email red herring to clear Deepak?  It is amazing some of the time line that falls within the general occurences that night?  Except the HI info which according to source is wrong?  Or is it?
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« Reply #659 on: June 30, 2005, 04:19:10 PM »

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Regarding the Deepak emails WonderWoman has provided.  I believe there are 2 ways of looking at them.

1.  That they are true honest accounts of what happened
2.  That they are ALL (all emails from Deepak) part of an elaborate alibi coverup

Since we know for a fact that as least parts of the first email are lies, I have absolutely NO REASON to believe any of them to be truthful accounts of what happened.


I tend to believe the e-mail is factual....just my gut feeling and opinion.  Except for the HI part, I believe everything else is true....

Eveyone is entitled to their own opinion!!
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