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« Reply #20 on: July 15, 2007, 09:55:10 PM »

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Steve is the type that could use some extra cash I am sure to help out..He seems to be around Lorenzo's age as well..I'm sure that guy knows most everyone in Aruba but he seems old to be hangin around the PIMPS. Although we know deepak knew him and seemed to know him well..


Steve Croes was TOLD to provide that alibi for Deepak and others.  Lorenzo knew enough on this guy, after all, he most likely had the drug connections with Lorenzo as supplier.  JMO
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« Reply #21 on: July 15, 2007, 09:56:28 PM »

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A lot of the recent grumbling and carping from renfro and her cadre of lying vixens is be done as a pre-emptive strike against Beth's book, IMO.

That book could RATTLE SOME CAGES

Tonight for some reason, I feel like we are getting "warmer" for the first time in a while.



Agree SB. There are some who don't want what Beth knows to come out and will do everything they can to diffuse it. Unfortunate for them that last attempt was one big bellyflop. If anything it just knocked Aruba's tourism another rung down the ladder.
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« Reply #22 on: July 15, 2007, 09:56:29 PM »

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Steve is the type that could use some extra cash I am sure to help out..He seems to be around Lorenzo's age as well..I'm sure that guy knows most everyone in Aruba but he seems old to be hangin around the PIMPS. Although we know deepak knew him and seemed to know him well..

I agree.  Deepak had Steve's number in his cell phone.  That was confirmed by Dave.
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« Reply #23 on: July 15, 2007, 09:59:49 PM »

I noticed,Lala.I am sorry about the meth remark earlier,BT.Do you wonder how a sporter like joran can turn his drives off.years of drugs,booze,sex,and rape don't just stop.Remorse is not a word he knows.I wonder if he has been drugged or given a porn star to play with.I have a horse,who is smarter than the sporter,knows math,spelling,reading,science,but doesn't understand Philosophy.Everytime I try to explain,we end with the descarte before the horse
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« Reply #24 on: July 15, 2007, 09:59:58 PM »

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I wonder why Steve though?? I dont think he had access to a boat to bury NH in the sea. At least the Tatoo and the smaller boat I cant imagine it being used. I dont think they(VDS) knew him too well to be calling him for help burying her either. I guess he might have been involved that night or was good friends of someone at the VDS house. All I know is a 6:30 AM call is very suspicious.

I believe Steve was a drug dealer.  Could Steve have been working for Lorenzo and was one of his dealers.  Steve was the DJ and Drug dealer for many parties especially the party boat.

I believe Joran knew Steve because it was a small island and I believe they were both getting their supply from Lorenzo.



There has been speculation that Steve provided JVDS the date rape drug and he was pulled in to cover all their asses. Po Steve, they forget to let him in on the change in storyline.
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« Reply #25 on: July 15, 2007, 10:02:47 PM »

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Or at least give us a running summary. I could get in back when that group was at yahoo, but not once they moved to msn.



I think the only thing said so far that we didn't know for sure before is the guys name, Steve Greg Croes.


I think you were referring to the 4th suspect here...right?
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« Reply #26 on: July 15, 2007, 10:02:50 PM »

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I noticed,Lala.I am sorry about the meth remark earlier,BT.Do you wonder how a sporter like joran can turn his drives off.years of drugs,booze,sex,and rape don't just stop.Remorse is not a word he knows.I wonder if he has been drugged or given a porn star to play with.I have a horse,who is smarter than the sporter,knows math,spelling,reading,science,but doesn't understand Philosophy.Everytime I try to explain,we end with the descarte before the horse


Don't be sorry - I thought it was funny. (And a good plan for weight loss.  Laughing )
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« Reply #27 on: July 15, 2007, 10:04:10 PM »

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I wonder why Steve though?? I dont think he had access to a boat to bury NH in the sea. At least the Tatoo and the smaller boat I cant imagine it being used. I dont think they(VDS) knew him too well to be calling him for help burying her either. I guess he might have been involved that night or was good friends of someone at the VDS house. All I know is a 6:30 AM call is very suspicious.

I believe Steve was a drug dealer.  Could Steve have been working for Lorenzo and was one of his dealers.  Steve was the DJ and Drug dealer for many parties especially the party boat.

I believe Joran knew Steve because it was a small island and I believe they were both getting their supply from Lorenzo.


Could be...Keep in mind that it was a monday and most everyone had to be somewhere..Even though Satish never went to school,Joran slept in school all day and we know nothing about PVDS. DId paulus show up to work late that day or miss work?? If Steve was at C&C,its possible he could have been at this pimp party or Deepak knew that he was available and getting off work early in the AM. I would like to know exactly where the call came from and how long the call was and when Steve got off work?
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« Reply #28 on: July 15, 2007, 10:04:26 PM »

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I noticed,Lala.I am sorry about the meth remark earlier,BT.Do you wonder how a sporter like joran can turn his drives off.years of drugs,booze,sex,and rape don't just stop.Remorse is not a word he knows.I wonder if he has been drugged or given a porn star to play with.I have a horse,who is smarter than the sporter,knows math,spelling,reading,science,but doesn't understand Philosophy.Everytime I try to explain,we end with the descarte before the horse


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« Reply #29 on: July 15, 2007, 10:05:15 PM »

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqcenter/recenteqsww/Maps/10/295_10.php
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« Reply #30 on: July 15, 2007, 10:06:23 PM »

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Another K in Texas wrote:
Or at least give us a running summary. I could get in back when that group was at yahoo, but not once they moved to msn.



I think the only thing said so far that we didn't know for sure before is the guys name, Steve Greg Croes.


I think you were referring to the 4th suspect here...right?


Yes, Steve Croes has been referred to as the 4th suspect many times at this point in the case (looking through the archives).
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« Reply #31 on: July 15, 2007, 10:08:54 PM »

Thanks Klaas, just clarifying that.  I know some of us have considered Freddy as the 4th.
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« Reply #32 on: July 15, 2007, 10:09:55 PM »

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Anna - that's pretty close to Aruba but they still may not have felt it:

5.0
Date-Time Monday, July 16, 2007 at 01:32:19 (UTC)
= Coordinated Universal Time
Sunday, July 15, 2007 at 9:32:19 PM
= local time at epicenter Time of Earthquake in other Time Zones
 
Location 10.695N, 62.387W
Depth 101.6 km (63.1 miles) set by location program
Region SUCRE, VENEZUELA
Distances 10 km (5 miles) NNW of Guiria, Venezuela
95 km (60 miles) E of Carupano, Venezuela
95 km (60 miles) W of PORT-OF-SPAIN, Trinidad
495 km (310 miles) E of CARACAS, Venezuela
 
Location Uncertainty horizontal +/- 7.2 km (4.5 miles); depth fixed by location program
Parameters Nst=110, Nph=110, Dmin=409.8 km, Rmss=0.9 sec, Gp= 68,
M-type=body magnitude (Mb), Version=6  
Source USGS NEIC (WDCS-D)
 
Event ID us2007ewag

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« Reply #33 on: July 15, 2007, 10:12:47 PM »

Klaas,

I was thinking more in terms of the search and things being uncovered or covered by seismic activity.  And giving a sort of BOLO as these sometimes come in clusters.

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« Reply #34 on: July 15, 2007, 10:13:40 PM »

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I wonder why Steve though?? I dont think he had access to a boat to bury NH in the sea. At least the Tatoo and the smaller boat I cant imagine it being used. I dont think they(VDS) knew him too well to be calling him for help burying her either. I guess he might have been involved that night or was good friends of someone at the VDS house. All I know is a 6:30 AM call is very suspicious.

I believe Steve was a drug dealer.  Could Steve have been working for Lorenzo and was one of his dealers.  Steve was the DJ and Drug dealer for many parties especially the party boat.

I believe Joran knew Steve because it was a small island and I believe they were both getting their supply from Lorenzo.


Could be...Keep in mind that it was a monday and most everyone had to be somewhere..Even though Satish never went to school,Joran slept in school all day and we know nothing about PVDS. DId paulus show up to work late that day or miss work?? If Steve was at C&C,its possible he could have been at this pimp party or Deepak knew that he was available and getting off work early in the AM. I would like to know exactly where the call came from and how long the call was and when Steve got off work?

I have always believed that Joran never went to school that day and I also believe that Deepak didn't go to work.  After what they did the night before no one was going to work or school.  They were all covering their tracks the next day.  I believe it was Paulus who said Joran might not have went to school the next day and I would guarantee that he did not leave Joran alone for one second because his son has a big mouth.  Joran was either with Paulus or he was hiding at someone house.
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« Reply #35 on: July 15, 2007, 10:13:42 PM »

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They're reporting this S.G. (Steve Creows) as being in the bar business in the hotel zone?

oh my god this guy is my friend STEVE CROEWS
tell me more that you know of this please



Now who would this poster be?  Anone have any idea?  I will tell you this, the poster is female...I am very sure about this.
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« Reply #36 on: July 15, 2007, 10:14:38 PM »

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Klaas,

I was thinking more in terms of the search and things being uncovered or covered by seismic activity.  And giving a sort of BOLO as these sometimes come in clusters.

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Good point Anna.  Hope more gets uncovered.
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« Reply #37 on: July 15, 2007, 10:15:10 PM »

Hii Anna, good to see that everything is getting better with your son!
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« Reply #38 on: July 15, 2007, 10:15:14 PM »

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They're reporting this S.G. (Steve Creows) as being in the bar business in the hotel zone?

oh my god this guy is my friend STEVE CROEWS
tell me more that you know of this please



Now who would this poster be?  Anone have any idea?  I will tell you this, the poster is female...I am very sure about this.


I don't know, Lala's, but that's the same person I quoted earlier today as saying there were reports that Natalee's dad had connections to the White House.
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« Reply #39 on: July 15, 2007, 10:15:48 PM »

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Thanks Klaas, just clarifying that.  I know some of us have considered Freddy as the 4th.

I have always considered Freddy the 4th suspect.  He seems to be protected just as much as Guido.
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