Lively Case Discussion #658 7/15 - 7/17/2007

[Nut44x4]

http://nataleeholloway.tripod.com/

Going through my Nat folders today and came upon this...has a ton of links to news links w/ dates, some videos and much more. I know many of you have this already, but some may have forgotten about it like I did.


I do have a question for anyone...Can someone please tell me which Chicago video is missing...the # of it please???  Also, apx. what date it went poof?? Thanks in advance.

[blah]

which female was it that Janssen was mortal enemies with? Was it T Croes? Somehow I remember it was someone?  

Klaas? San? either of you remember?

didnt she have some problem with Beths first attorney, cant remember her name??

[Observer]

which female was it that Janssen was mortal enemies with? Was it T Croes? Somehow I remember it was someone?  

Klaas? San? either of you remember?

It was T. Croes.

This got way out of hand and even Rudy Croes went public about it and said it had to stop or he would have to take action.

[nonesuche]

which female was it that Janssen was mortal enemies with? Was it T Croes? Somehow I remember it was someone?  

Klaas? San? either of you remember?

didnt she have some problem with Beths first attorney, cant remember her name??

I know Helen LeJeux wasn't well liked by some, don't remember if Teresa led that brigade. I think Teresa's daughter worked for Janssen also?

I just remember there was some bad water under the Janssen TCroes bridge !

[blah]

which female was it that Janssen was mortal enemies with? Was it T Croes? Somehow I remember it was someone?  

Klaas? San? either of you remember?

didnt she have some problem with Beths first attorney, cant remember her name??

I know Helen LeJeux wasn't well liked by some, don't remember if Teresa led that brigade. I think Teresa's daughter worked for Janssen also?

I just remember there was some bad water under the Janssen TCroes bridge !

yeah hell i cant remember anymore, something about Helen handled and ugly divorce for someone, dont remember the details

[igsigs]

None > reportedly Theresa and Kowgirl Karin had a long-running feud, even before the NH case. Then when KJ fired Marianne as spokesperson it just got worse.

After KJ gave the Nova interview Theresa held a press conference and said if KJ is going to talk to Nova, she might as well talk to everybody. Then gave her private cell # out to all the reporters.  

True story.

[Dayhiker]

which female was it that Janssen was mortal enemies with? Was it T Croes? Somehow I remember it was someone?  

Klaas? San? either of you remember?

didnt she have some problem with Beths first attorney, cant remember her name??

I know Helen LeJeux wasn't well liked by some, don't remember if Teresa led that brigade. I think Teresa's daughter worked for Janssen also?

I just remember there was some bad water under the Janssen TCroes bridge !

Refresh my memory, who didn't work with someone or wasn't related to someone in that damn government?      

[Observer]

which female was it that Janssen was mortal enemies with? Was it T Croes? Somehow I remember it was someone?  

Klaas? San? either of you remember?

didnt she have some problem with Beths first attorney, cant remember her name??

I know Helen LeJeux wasn't well liked by some, don't remember if Teresa led that brigade. I think Teresa's daughter worked for Janssen also?

I just remember there was some bad water under the Janssen TCroes bridge !

yeah hell i cant remember anymore, something about Helen handled and ugly divorce for someone, dont remember the details

That was just dumbpig..She handled the divorce for his ex wife..Pitbull's sister..

[San]

which female was it that Janssen was mortal enemies with? Was it T Croes? Somehow I remember it was someone?  

Klaas? San? either of you remember?

didnt she have some problem with Beths first attorney, cant remember her name??

I know Helen LeJeux wasn't well liked by some, don't remember if Teresa led that brigade. I think Teresa's daughter worked for Janssen also?

I just remember there was some bad water under the Janssen TCroes bridge !

Janssen got rid of Teresa' daughter.

This was the daughters favorite line:  I can not confirm or deny.

[Observer]

None > reportedly Theresa and Kowgirl Karin had a long-running feud, even before the NH case. Then when KJ fired Marianne as spokesperson it just got worse.

After KJ gave the Nova interview Theresa held a press conference and said if KJ is going to talk to Nova, she might as well talk to everybody. Then gave her private cell # out to all the reporters.  

True story.

That is exactly right!! Well done!!

[blah]

which female was it that Janssen was mortal enemies with? Was it T Croes? Somehow I remember it was someone?  

Klaas? San? either of you remember?

didnt she have some problem with Beths first attorney, cant remember her name??

I know Helen LeJeux wasn't well liked by some, don't remember if Teresa led that brigade. I think Teresa's daughter worked for Janssen also?

I just remember there was some bad water under the Janssen TCroes bridge !

yeah hell i cant remember anymore, something about Helen handled and ugly divorce for someone, dont remember the details

That was just dumbpig..She handled the divorce for his ex wife..Pitbull's sister..

ahhhh  thanks, I knew I was mixing 2 different things up  

[mrs. red]

Dayhiker..... great point.

[Dayhiker]

None > reportedly Theresa and Kowgirl Karin had a long-running feud, even before the NH case. Then when KJ fired Marianne as spokesperson it just got worse.

After KJ gave the Nova interview Theresa held a press conference and said if KJ is going to talk to Nova, she might as well talk to everybody. Then gave her private cell # out to all the reporters.  

True story.

The firing of Marianne Croes is highly suspect because they replaced her with a hired gun for ATA and AHATA, Arlene Ellis-Schippers.

Who was pulling these strings? KJ, or somebody higher up?

[San]

None > reportedly Theresa and Kowgirl Karin had a long-running feud, even before the NH case. Then when KJ fired Marianne as spokesperson it just got worse.

After KJ gave the Nova interview Theresa held a press conference and said if KJ is going to talk to Nova, she might as well talk to everybody. Then gave her private cell # out to all the reporters.  

True story.

The firing of Marianne Croes is highly suspect because they replaced her with a hired gun for ATA and AHATA, Arlene Ellis-Schippers.

Who was pulling these strings? KJ, or somebody higher up?

The firing of Marianne Croes was right after she announced the charges againt Paulus on TV.  I think she made a boo boo in announcing them.

[Dayhiker]

None > reportedly Theresa and Kowgirl Karin had a long-running feud, even before the NH case. Then when KJ fired Marianne as spokesperson it just got worse.

After KJ gave the Nova interview Theresa held a press conference and said if KJ is going to talk to Nova, she might as well talk to everybody. Then gave her private cell # out to all the reporters.  

True story.

The firing of Marianne Croes is highly suspect because they replaced her with a hired gun for ATA and AHATA, Arlene Ellis-Schippers.

Who was pulling these strings? KJ, or somebody higher up?

The firing of Marianne Croes was right after she announced the charges againt Paulus on TV.  I think she made a boo boo in announcing them.

Were we not supposed to know that Paulus was charged? Was Marianne being too honest for them? Could they not control the message with her as spokesperson, so they get her ousted stick an AHATA person in? IMO, I thought Marianne Croes was the only spokesperson they ever had who told it straight. Everybody they put in afterwards got caught telling lies. Ruben, Tito, Cohen, the whole lot of them.

[nonesuche]

igsigs thanks for remembering all the details I could not !! Love the cell phone payback    

it was a cat fight !  

dayhiker it's the aruban way, employ your kin in those government jobs    

[blah]

None > reportedly Theresa and Kowgirl Karin had a long-running feud, even before the NH case. Then when KJ fired Marianne as spokesperson it just got worse.

After KJ gave the Nova interview Theresa held a press conference and said if KJ is going to talk to Nova, she might as well talk to everybody. Then gave her private cell # out to all the reporters.  

True story.

The firing of Marianne Croes is highly suspect because they replaced her with a hired gun for ATA and AHATA, Arlene Ellis-Schippers.

Who was pulling these strings? KJ, or somebody higher up?

thats whole island needs to be burned to the ground.

By the way, there has been some story in the last week of some Bigfoot searchers looking around out in the woods in Michigan and they claim they recorded the call "that could only come from bigfoot"      


http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2007707120357

[San]

None > reportedly Theresa and Kowgirl Karin had a long-running feud, even before the NH case. Then when KJ fired Marianne as spokesperson it just got worse.

After KJ gave the Nova interview Theresa held a press conference and said if KJ is going to talk to Nova, she might as well talk to everybody. Then gave her private cell # out to all the reporters.  

True story.

The firing of Marianne Croes is highly suspect because they replaced her with a hired gun for ATA and AHATA, Arlene Ellis-Schippers.

Who was pulling these strings? KJ, or somebody higher up?

The firing of Marianne Croes was right after she announced the charges againt Paulus on TV.  I think she made a boo boo in announcing them.

Were we not supposed to know that Paulus was charged? Was Marianne being too honest for them? Could they not control the message with her as spokesperson, so they get her ousted stick an AHATA person in? IMO, I thought Marianne Croes was the only spokesperson they ever had who told it straight. Everybody they put in afterwards got caught telling lies. Ruben, Tito, Cohen, the whole lot of them.

Exactly she was not suppose to tell the truth.

[nonesuche]

Blah until I read it I thought you meant bigfoot had gotten a cell phone    

[Buckeye]

PG Teresa F. Croes letter > the one from 06 that Klaas/******* posted from the Dutch website.

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/Klaasen3/sub2/LetterCroesFernandez1.jpg

I babblefished it and i think this is pretty close to what she writes (in response to the author blaming her and v/d Straten for the failed investigation);

- In the first 8 days of the investigation she was in the NL, not Aruba.

- She was first notified of the disappearance in the late afternoon of June 2nd by the public prosecuter (presumably KJ). At this time she was given no information regarding suspects.

- She was not consulted regarding the 6/5 arrests of the SGs, and learned of it on TV.

- During the period that v/d Straten was in charge of the case she had no contact with him personally or via the telephone regarding the investigation, or anything else.

- By law the public prosecuter (KJ) has control of the case, therefore she had no input concerning the direction of the case, nor any of the arrests.

That's what I took from it also.  Thanks