Lively Case Discussion #659 7/17 - 7/19/2007

[friend of monkeys]

k...am going ....no one likes me anymore.....

luv to mr and mrs red and  klass

[msmarple]

One of the early things we heard about Lorenzo was that he is "reculsive" ...

I don't think he goes clubbing, or sells grass, or any other drugs, on the street. Of course people might come to him.

Any parties would be private ones. He may have a "package deal" for the music van and (if you say the secret word) drugs ... although "drugs" might  be limited to home-grown marijuana?

Remember, they only found "hemp" at his house.

I think he tends to keep to himself.

(This is just my perception.)

Hi msmarple, I find it hard to believe that he keeps to himself.  I think he surrounds himself with specific people.  He has that fast car and a fast boat so to me that says he is out and about but just limits himself to certain people and places.  This guy has made a name for himself and you don't do that by keeping to yourself.

Oh San - I am sure you're right and I agree; just a matter of semantics. A small circle of friends with similar inclinations - boats, music, cars -  could still be "reclusive" (IMO). He has his mother and I believe step-father. He might have 1 or 2 household servants and occasional gardner.

But even on Aruba, if you're growing marijuana on the south 40, you don't exactly run Open Houses.

And another thing - "non-public" people with that kind of $$ don't often mix with the hoi polloi.  

So I'm not saying he's a Howard Huges ...

I just don't imagine him and a buddy deciding to hang out at C&C, or the Marriott beach, or even going out to eat except maybe on a rare occasion.

And I can't imagine Natalee would have laid eyes on him, unless there's something to the "after hours rave party" story (being taken there after leaving C&Cs).

[msmarple]

bendex's idea isn't a bad one, something similar may happen quite frequently ...

... except that Natalee would have been a MOST unlikely candidate, and it's a scenario that requires some willingness to participate.

[Rob]

Well, Lala's, just yesterday ******* said I always want to "fight" about Lorenzo and I did find that an odd thing to say just because I don't agree that LVR is somehow responsible for the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

I've never heard or seen Anna 'fight' about Lorenzo. She may not agree that he is involved and I think we that DO accept that.

As for Lorenzo - there is too much still unknown about his role and he remains a mystery. I personally wish we had his statement, but so do everyone else.

So until there is more info on him, we are going to around in a circle.

I do find it interesting outta the 70-100K people on that island, he is one of the 10 or so involved in some way. Just what that way is is hard to completely determine.

Drug dealers are all over the place and that alone does not make him unique. As Jossy said that ALE drug enforcement was watching him for a long time.....why a long time and why now? Could have arrested Lorenzo over the last two years at anytime for just drug dealing.

No one just starts out with 100 + plants. Maybe 5 or so for personal use. But he is doing something beside just growing drugs. What it is - who knows.

[San]

One of the early things we heard about Lorenzo was that he is "reculsive" ...

I don't think he goes clubbing, or sells grass, or any other drugs, on the street. Of course people might come to him.

Any parties would be private ones. He may have a "package deal" for the music van and (if you say the secret word) drugs ... although "drugs" might  be limited to home-grown marijuana?

Remember, they only found "hemp" at his house.

I think he tends to keep to himself.

(This is just my perception.)

Hi msmarple, I find it hard to believe that he keeps to himself.  I think he surrounds himself with specific people.  He has that fast car and a fast boat so to me that says he is out and about but just limits himself to certain people and places.  This guy has made a name for himself and you don't do that by keeping to yourself.

Oh San - I am sure you're right and I agree; just a matter of semantics. A small circle of friends with similar inclinations - boats, music, cars -  could still be "reclusive" (IMO). He has his mother and I believe step-father. He might have 1 or 2 household servants and occasional gardner.

But even on Aruba, if you're growing marijuana on the south 40, you don't exactly run Open Houses.

And another thing - "non-public" people with that kind of $$ don't often mix with the hoi polloi.  

So I'm not saying he's a Howard Huges ...

I just don't imagine him and a buddy deciding to hang out at C&C, or the Marriott beach, or even going out to eat except maybe on a rare occasion.

And I can't imagine Natalee would have laid eyes on him, unless there's something to the "after hours rave party" story (being taken there after leaving C&Cs).

OK msmarple I agree.  I took what you said as him being a total recluse.

I find it strange that a 26 year old has made himself practically the king pin of drugs on the island.  They made it look like everyone had to feel sorry for him because his step dad committed suicide.  Big deal he committed suicide so did more than half the other people who died in Aruba whose death was suspicious.  What is so different about him.  How does a 26 year old psycho become untouchable.  I have often wondered if he was involved in his fathers death.  He has the Sloot mental illness that runs in that damn family they are all nuts (Joran, Paulus, Lorenzo).  But that is just my opinion.

[JusticeforNatalee]

******* and Anna:

I love to hear what you both
have to say and always look
forward to reading your posts.

Both of you contribute a lot
of good discussion and information
to the forum.

[NM]

I wonder why someone would take the story of the 5th suspect as being the one that had dinner with Natalee?  What happened that could have been construed as that scenario?  Maybe she and her friends were sitting there eating and this guy came up or as some have said maybe it was another girl.  I have always wanted clarification on that.

Maybe she and friends finished dinner at the HI and she was then approached by the guy who she spent 30 min talking with that we have heard about? This might have been perceived as having had dinner with by someone who witnessed part of this interaction?

Maybe it was Max Arends (is he Dilma's son?) and he said he was at Lorenzo's.  They say he was questioned first.  Jaime C. is questioned about Max Arends.  Haven't seen anything from the Joran book about Lorenzo or Max....makes me suspicious   .

Yes, it does make one suspicious.  Those of you that dance with me will know that Simian made reference to this:

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 6:01 pm
The first guy she met has all the motive. The second guy is scared shitless in a cell.

Maybe Lorenzo is the one person that Joran fears in some way.  You know, when you are running drugs for powerful people and laundering their money in the local casinos, things can get dicey when the entire operation is about to be exposed.  I am sure you get my drift here. JMO.

I think Simian, just like us, was fed some misinformation.  This may be the renfro-fluffa'a blue-eyed blond dutch guy.

Hey Monkeys

[Spock]

Based on everything I have read and the number of suspects involved, I think there was an "after hours" party planned for the time after C&C closed. The 2:35 call was placed in the beach area by Joran. I think the discussion was about the condition of NH (Freddy statement as he was told by Joran), and about who had arrived at the beach. I think Joran wanted get to out of there fast, get home, and establish a timeline. I am not sure who else was at the beach and what role the Kalpoes played after the call. Understanding, the role of this second group may be the key. many names have been mentioned.

[friend of monkeys]

Based on everything I have read and the number of suspects involved, I think there was an "after hours" party planned for the time after C&C closed. The 2:35 call was placed in the beach area by Joran. I think the discussion was about the condition of NH (Freddy statement as he was told by Joran), and about who had arrived at the beach. I think Joran wanted get to out of there fast, get home, and establish a timeline. I am not sure who else was at the beach and what role the Kalpoes played after the call. Understanding, the role of this second group may be the key. many names have been mentioned.

agreed spock.
i think lorenzo was the one paulus or joran called when they needed a place to put her for a bit til they figured  what to do about the situatgion.  i think she was alive...even if barely, when she was taken to l.orenzoes
crazy painted house

[SunFreak2]

Based on everything I have read and the number of suspects involved, I think there was an "after hours" party planned for the time after C&C closed. The 2:35 call was placed in the beach area by Joran. I think the discussion was about the condition of NH (Freddy statement as he was told by Joran), and about who had arrived at the beach. I think Joran wanted get to out of there fast, get home, and establish a timeline. I am not sure who else was at the beach and what role the Kalpoes played after the call. Understanding, the role of this second group may be the key. many names have been mentioned.

Guido- arrested for suspicion of heavy battery & murder
Paulus - arrested for suspicion of pre-meditated murder

GVC - arrested in connection of drugs with the murder of NH

[Kimmy53]

Based on everything I have read and the number of suspects involved, I think there was an "after hours" party planned for the time after C&C closed. The 2:35 call was placed in the beach area by Joran. I think the discussion was about the condition of NH (Freddy statement as he was told by Joran), and about who had arrived at the beach. I think Joran wanted get to out of there fast, get home, and establish a timeline. I am not sure who else was at the beach and what role the Kalpoes played after the call. Understanding, the role of this second group may be the key. many names have been mentioned.

agreed spock.
i think lorenzo was the one paulus or joran called when they needed a place to put her for a bit til they figured  what to do about the situatgion.  i think she was alive...even if barely, when she was taken to l.orenzoes
crazy painted house

I have thought that perhaps they called Lorenzo because Natalee was having a bad reaction to the drugs - he would be the one to know what to do to counteract her reaction...  Maybe they then took her there...for treatment.  Just a thought

[Spock]

Based on everything I have read and the number of suspects involved, I think there was an "after hours" party planned for the time after C&C closed. The 2:35 call was placed in the beach area by Joran. I think the discussion was about the condition of NH (Freddy statement as he was told by Joran), and about who had arrived at the beach. I think Joran wanted get to out of there fast, get home, and establish a timeline. I am not sure who else was at the beach and what role the Kalpoes played after the call. Understanding, the role of this second group may be the key. many names have been mentioned.

Guido- arrested for suspicion of heavy battery & murder
Paulus - arrested for suspicion of pre-meditated murder
GVC - arrested in connection of drugs with the murder of NH

If Joran did not make the school bus in the morning at his home and did meet up with the bus on the southside of the island, we can assume he went back out after the 3:15 logs.

[Kimmy53]

Based on everything I have read and the number of suspects involved, I think there was an "after hours" party planned for the time after C&C closed. The 2:35 call was placed in the beach area by Joran. I think the discussion was about the condition of NH (Freddy statement as he was told by Joran), and about who had arrived at the beach. I think Joran wanted get to out of there fast, get home, and establish a timeline. I am not sure who else was at the beach and what role the Kalpoes played after the call. Understanding, the role of this second group may be the key. many names have been mentioned.

Guido- arrested for suspicion of heavy battery & murder
Paulus - arrested for suspicion of pre-meditated murder
GVC - arrested in connection of drugs with the murder of NH

If Joran did not make the school bus in the morning at his home and did meet up with the bus on the southside of the island, we can assume he went back out after the 3:15 logs.

IF that was indeed him on the computer... could very well have been his brother.

[friend of monkeys]

kimmy---agreed.

i think lorenzoe has been placed in the aruban criminal protection program......wonder where that would be??? bonaire??
vanderstratten can keep an eye on him.....isn't he there too?
going...


good to see u monkeys

[nonesuche]

Good to see you too FOM  

I tripped over this tidbit, found it interesting that a site exists for 'rave and nightclub' owners on the risks of drugs and dancing?

It seems ecstasy can be a catalyst for heat stroke? who knew?

http://www.dancesafe.org/documents/druginfo/heatstroke.php

[mrs. red]

k...am going ....no one likes me anymore.....

luv to mr and mrs red and  klass

Honey hush, no one likes anyone anymore... we are now truly like a dang family!!! Good to see you got your new computer and visited me... check emails...


Klaasend, Red is aware it's going up ASAP.. had to run out... dealing with the parking lot crash...

[blah]

Maybe Lorenzo made off with Joran's shoes, what size you think he might wear?

[mrs. red]

Maybe Lorenzo made off with Joran's shoes, what size you think he might wear?

I love you Blah!  

but I am telling y'all that jvds was wearing the shoes while he was on Greta.... that smirk told us... I wish we had the film clips of that stuff....

[blah]

Maybe Lorenzo made off with Joran's shoes, what size you think he might wear?

I love you Blah!  

but I am telling y'all that jvds was wearing the shoes while he was on Greta.... that smirk told us... I wish we had the film clips of that stuff....

you might be right but what I said is more likely going to get Anna all fired up

   

[mrs. red]

Maybe Lorenzo made off with Joran's shoes, what size you think he might wear?

I love you Blah!  

but I am telling y'all that jvds was wearing the shoes while he was on Greta.... that smirk told us... I wish we had the film clips of that stuff....

you might be right but what I said is more likely going to get Anna all fired up




but I know you love her too!