Lively Case Discussion #660 7/19 - 7/20/2007

[Rob]

This is interesting also .....BOR said Joran and one of the Kalpoe brothers, desposed of in the ocean.  Which one?

Satish was closer friends with Joran, Koen and Freddy than Deepak..just saying.

I was gonna say Satish too... He's way more involved than I think most give him credit for. He didn't go to school the next day. His whole 'how's the girl' doesn't ring true to me.

[Katysmom]

Thanks Klaasend...
Mrs. Red   and I have been kinda invisible tonight... at times  

 

[ospainter]

since I seem to be completely invisable ... let me just add that of course it's dompigs story... another trial ballon by the island to say ok joran disposed of the body... case closed.

I see ya Mrs. Red,

I think Geraldo pretty well sunk Aruba with the truth.

I just go in orbit when someone lies about Natalee.

[Dayhiker]

My prediction:  klaas nailed it!!

they are going into full spin mode because Tim Miller knows where to look and he will find the body.  Dompig slipped up and gave him too much info and then tried everything in his power to prevent Tim from doing this last search.  Now that Dompig is not in the way, Tim found the resources and is gonna go get Natalee.  Tim will bring her home.

Right on blah!

Tim Miller had it figured on in October, 2005 and ... Dompig refused to let the search go forward ... refused FBI assistance.

Janet
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They know at this stage nobody could prove an overdose or not so they are spinning that angle.

Blame the victim, save the island. That has been Aruba's strategy all along.

[San]

Who are the two uncles Geraldo mentioned?

Adults go to Aruba for the prostitution and kids go for the drugs.  Will that become a new slogan?

I think the two uncles are Beth's brothers.  I know one other time that Geraldo mentioned being undercover with Paul Reynolds.

[Hotshot]

This is interesting also .....BOR said Joran and one of the Kalpoe brothers, desposed of in the ocean.  Which one?

Satish was closer friends with Joran, Koen and Freddy than Deepak..just saying.

Hmmmm, and then BOR says at the end.....ENORMOUS....credible sources  "Inquiring minds want to know"

[blah]

This is interesting also .....BOR said Joran and one of the Kalpoe brothers, desposed of in the ocean.  Which one?

Satish was closer friends with Joran, Koen and Freddy than Deepak..just saying.

I was gonna say Satish too... He's way more involved than I think most give him credit for. He didn't go to school the next day. His whole 'how's the girl' doesn't ring true to me.

I agree with that.  I have always felt people were cutting him too much slack - he is in it up to his neck

[Easywriter]

Now that I have cooled off a little I’m still mad about this one and do not understand it one bit.  I agree with None that the two of them both looked and acted uncharacteristically coy in that segment.  Almost embarrassed to be speaking the words…..

EASY - you need to send the transcript to Jossy and get his take on it.

Already did, but have not heard back from him. lol

[bleachedblack]

I don't believe that cocaine or XTC are involved. The information known to date simply suggest they are not the drugs.

As everyone knows Beth said Natalee was 'going in and out of conscientiousness'. This suggests something that incapacitates the person. Such as a roofie or similar date rate drug.

I don't think these pimps want a person who is awake. Which leads me to believe they under-dosed Natalee and she was wake enough to start a fight. This ultimately led to the beating that killed her.

When you have three pseudo-pharmacists this is what happens. A roofie or similar drug also provides the pimps with a mind eraser should the victim almost remember anything. All of that coupled with the fact that the pimps show up only 30 or so minutes before CnC closes tells me they are looking for women that have been drinking a good bit by that point and when they couple up the drugs, it does guarantee a beach drop off and the victim remembering very very little.

It's not very complicated unless you're an Aruban.

I can not say if Natalee took any XTC prior to going to C+C's that last night. Let's say I would not be suprised, but it is likely not what killed her. I still feel certain that she was given a drug (possibly GHB) by one of the bartenders at C+C's, or Joran slipped it into her last drink. Eyewitness accounts described her appearance  before C+C's closing, and then how she seemed as she exited the place. We have seen the casino clip of Natalee sitting quietly at the gambling table in the excelsior a few hours
before. She is hardley the picture of someone on XTC or cocaine.

[oldfart]

BBL

Son (grandsons dad) is head out for some emergency type $$$'s
and I need to locate some  

[Katysmom]

I think I just figured out who Oldfart is!!!

[mrs. red]

since I seem to be completely invisable ... let me just add that of course it's dompigs story... another trial ballon by the island to say ok joran disposed of the body... case closed.

I see ya Mrs. Red,

I think Geraldo pretty well sunk Aruba with the truth.

I just go in orbit when someone lies about Natalee.

I agree that they lied about Natalee, but I don't think that segment did jvds, or the island ANY favors...

[Rob]

I also think all of the 'something bad happened' could have taken place before Satish ... well... you know... and the two are Joran and Deepak who admitted sex with Natalee.

This could be Deepak's reasoning for again keeping Satish outta it. He's involved but not like they are. jmo

[BTgirl]

You know, I don't believe for a minute that Natalee overdosed on anything that she willingly consumed. However, even if a person believed that she did, disposing of her body and lying about it is still a crime. Anyone who would do that is a sick individual and a criminal.

[Nut44x4]

answers mysterious lie within magical letters which spell sin XTC DNA

All know of the music beckoning lost souls to enter the seven levels of inferno who gave Mary the poison wine of Bacchus?

7th Level XTC Info:
http://www.nextron.ch/rave/xtcinfo.html

Remember Dave said in his book that the number 7 was significant....

[Angiex911dsptchr]

This is interesting also .....BOR said Joran and one of the Kalpoe brothers, desposed of in the ocean.  Which one?

 IMO my guess is Satish.. Deepak seemed to want to protect him.. IIRC told Joran to keep him out of it? Satish has been quiet.. IMO quiet ones are the worst ones. But thats just me.
 Irregardless.. it is Jotan and one of the brothers.. so.. how did they despose in the ocean?  

[Rob]

I don't believe that cocaine or XTC are involved. The information known to date simply suggest they are not the drugs.

As everyone knows Beth said Natalee was 'going in and out of conscientiousness'. This suggests something that incapacitates the person. Such as a roofie or similar date rate drug.

I don't think these pimps want a person who is awake. Which leads me to believe they under-dosed Natalee and she was wake enough to start a fight. This ultimately led to the beating that killed her.

When you have three pseudo-pharmacists this is what happens. A roofie or similar drug also provides the pimps with a mind eraser should the victim almost remember anything. All of that coupled with the fact that the pimps show up only 30 or so minutes before CnC closes tells me they are looking for women that have been drinking a good bit by that point and when they couple up the drugs, it does guarantee a beach drop off and the victim remembering very very little.

It's not very complicated unless you're an Aruban.

I can not say if Natalee took any XTC prior to going to C+C's that last night. Let's say I would not be suprised, but it is likely not what killed her. I still feel certain that she was given a drug (possibly GHB) by one of the bartenders at C+C's, or Joran slipped it into her last drink. Eyewitness accounts described her appearance  before C+C's closing, and then how she seemed as she exited the place. We have seen the casino clip of Natalee sitting quietly at the gambling table in the excelsior a few hours
before. She is hardley the picture of someone on XTC or cocaine.

BB- I don't believe she took any drugs on her own. It wouldn't be the worst thing a teenager ever did, but I'm not at all convinced she did anything. I would need to see a friend of her's admit that in a statement witnessed by the FBI during the ALE trip to the States. I would love to see the rest of that casino vid.

[robots]

can anyone think of another case in the history of mankind that

where innocent people decided it was in their best interest to get rid of  a body if they didnt do anything wrong


and even if the PUNKS thought it was OK to do it... that the PARENTS
also thought it was OK ....

>>>>>>PAULUS <<<<<<<<< also thought it was ok ????

naw.........................they RAPED, BEAT and then KILLED her

cause she was coming out of the HAZE..............from the DRUGS  

[klaasend]

  Always good for a laugh    

M***R Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 9:08 pm    

This is actually kind of a unique situation - the Monkeys are very angry tonite -

And I would say that many of those that post here on RU are angry too.

Seems that BOR and Geraldo have momentarily managed to anger both the good guys (RU) and the Dark Side. That is quiet an accomplishment.

[Angiex911dsptchr]

This is interesting also .....BOR said Joran and one of the Kalpoe brothers, desposed of in the ocean.  Which one?

Satish was closer friends with Joran, Koen and Freddy than Deepak..just saying.

I was gonna say Satish too... He's way more involved than I think most give him credit for. He didn't go to school the next day. His whole 'how's the girl' doesn't ring true to me.

 and IIRC wasnt he the one who saw ghosts of Natalee while in jail?