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« Reply #260 on: January 01, 2007, 11:33:19 AM »

Hi Leslie - yes, thanks, I just saw that obituary too.
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« Reply #261 on: January 01, 2007, 11:34:44 AM »

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Yes, I've noticed many viewers at the archived <smak> thread...
This death really concerns me:06/23 - Unknown female corpse, nude, found in a trash pile.
Thank you for putting that all together.


Yes, I know what you mean. I have not seen any followup on this case, either. A ghastly photo was published.
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« Reply #262 on: January 01, 2007, 11:37:05 AM »

Here are a couple of articles from 12/30/2006 Solo di Pueblo.  Looks like another "year in review" type thing but I'm not sure if we have these.  Maybe Sandy can help us with these?



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« Reply #263 on: January 02, 2007, 03:14:41 AM »

However, if these two young girls "just vanished" (phrase taken from Arleen Schiffer, cousin of one of the suspects and official spokesperson for Aruba, that she thinks adequately accounts for what happened to Natalee Holloway) does that mean the usual No Body/No Crime?

That seemed to be the case in the disappearance of Americans Bud Larson and Max DeVries.  Oh, wait!  Max DeVries ALE lied about and claimed it was an insurance scam perpetrated by the mother, called this predator whom she only encountered in Aruba skulking about her hotel "her boyfriend" and did other undeserved things to discredit his family.

Any insurance money was donated to a Children's Hospital in Michigan, something they failed to inform the Aruba's public about.

Dompig tried this same trick on Beth Holloway and claimed he had to investigate it this was an insurance scam as before when he is lying about the before part if he means DeVries.  The insurance industry maintains one of the best data banks that is kept very current at all times on policies written and paid as it checks for red flags of over-insuring, etc. as would be the case for large policies on children.  Natalee did not have any insurance at all, I don't think even a burial policy most get as babies.

And again we see the Aruban imagination in full bloom salivating over the millions they think are in a trust fund filled by cookouts and selling bracelets!  Yet we are not to think they are unsophisticated or anything like that.   Rolling Eyes  

So have these two little girls been missing for a year now and is this just another instance of how "girls get lost a lot" as we have been told.  Was their mother told they would turn up at a crack house and if so did they or are they still missing and what of the pedophile name?  Did we check obituaries for their names?


MsMarple, people cannot post in here in the forum without being registered and approved by the administration.  They can't tell us what they are looking for except on the Front Page where posting is allowed with only an email address.  I try to always read there for comments and especially in the crime and disappearance stories.

But I, too, would like to know if there is anything in particular we are not covering or have missed with regard to crime in Aruba.

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« Reply #264 on: January 02, 2007, 08:46:28 AM »

The two articles about crime are from Holland.  There is a year in review for Dutch crimes in section B of the Solo di Pueblo Dec 30th edition and an Aruban one in section A - It contains names and events we have not seen before.
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« Reply #265 on: January 02, 2007, 10:20:19 AM »

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The two articles about crime are from Holland.  There is a year in review for Dutch crimes in section B of the Solo di Pueblo Dec 30th edition and an Aruban one in section A - It contains names and events we have not seen before.


Well, darn, I didn't pick up on that at all. Sorry.

Okay, now trying to do something about Section A.
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« Reply #266 on: January 02, 2007, 08:47:42 PM »

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The two articles about crime are from Holland.  There is a year in review for Dutch crimes in section B of the Solo di Pueblo Dec 30th edition and an Aruban one in section A - It contains names and events we have not seen before.


So basically, we just need someone to scan Section A and tell us if we have missed anything major there in the crime department?

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« Reply #267 on: January 02, 2007, 09:02:09 PM »

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Here are a couple of articles from 12/30/2006 Solo di Pueblo.  Looks like another "year in review" type thing but I'm not sure if we have these.  Maybe Sandy can help us with these?




translation; Satans Baby garden
During an excavation behind a priests home- 3 baby corpses found.  This occured in Beverwijk Holland.  The baby sorpses were fully developed.  The mother Etta age 29yrs was arrested.  She later admitted to killing 4 children(her own).
Suane, Gwen,Timo and Lavinia were in the home for a short while after birth.  She got 3 yrs in prison.  Her male friend went free as he denied any knowledge of the crime.



translation-  Horrible crime against Stacie and Nathalie.
 2 females missing for 2 weeks were found  dead stuffed down a septictank 400meters from the home in which they were last seen.  An outcry from the neighbors occured who had complained on how the girls were being raised.  They were often seen with thier mother in a bar.  In fact during the dearch for the girls Stacys mother was seen in the bar with her male 1 yr old child.  A pedofile named Abdulla Ait Oud is charged in this crime.  He denies committing the murders.

best i could do remember I dont speak Papiamento and have taught myself to read it although sometimes i may get some words wrong.  Not here though this was pretty clear.  Sandy
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« Reply #268 on: January 02, 2007, 09:51:56 PM »

Thank you, so much Sandy!
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« Reply #269 on: January 02, 2007, 10:07:59 PM »

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We know!   Very Happy Spanish is about as close as we can get because no one speaks Papiamento on the forum.   We understand and will not hold you to anything, just wanting a general idea of what it says.

Thanks again!

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« Reply #270 on: January 02, 2007, 10:40:25 PM »

THANK YOU SANDY! Unfortunately I steered you wrong - Leslie posted that those cases were in Holland. How I missed that I don't know; sorry. But thank you for Answering the Call; you're a sweetie.

I have spent most of the day going over Section A of Solo di Pueblo with the @#$%& online Pap translator.

Here's what I've got from there, and from Bon Dia's similar issue. These are incidents I don't *think* we've already got.

From Bon Dia 2006 “Year in Review” issue:
http://tinyurl.com/y2efz2

01/23/2006 – Man found dead in a boat near Marriot.

02/12/2006 – Alberto Augusto Peral (Peralta?) apparently killed by a gang.

05/23/2006
– Enrique Reynier Loefstop, 51, apparently beaten to death by his(?) child, with a baseball bat. Apparently an altercation over the son’s drug use.

??/??/2006 - 33-yr-old  Colombian sentenced for molesting an 11-yr-old mentally +++++++ girl. Dates mentioned in the article are November 2005 and June 2006; cannot determine when the incident(s) occurred. This case is not part of the SM 2005 Summary.

09/??/2006 – Mysterious death at Tanki Leendirt (near “Euro Kitchen”?) of chef/cook of Eagle Hotel. Cause of death unknown.


From Solo di Pueblo 2006 “Year in Review” issue, A section. Starting on Page 16:
http://tinyurl.com/y4uhlb

03/??/2006 – American tourist robbed and beaten in an alley in San Nicolas.
03/??/2006 – Dave Billy Aubert, 20, a local, killed in a hit & run.

06/??/2006 – Igor Richardson killed outside Las Vegas bar, San Nichols.
06/??/2006 – Man beaten with baseball bat at Malboro Ball Park.
06/??/2006 – Couple detained for something about a baby. What does “doodslag” mean? Couple’s initials: FCEF and FAPD. “Circumstancio poco strano.”

09/??/2006 – man convicted, sentenced to 24 yrs for killing of Pino Suarez. (When?)
09/??/2006 – Pascualito Geerman found dead at Baco Prins. Cause of death not noted.

10/??/2006 – over 3,000 kilos (over 6,613.8 lbs) of drugs seized.

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Leslie - Re. the list you posted previously -

The "doktor" who committed suicide in January - didn't even give his name. I just decided to leave it out.

Rafael de Cuba - I didn't get that he was killed. What I think I got was that he/she underwent a sex change. !!! ????

Cornelius Bossers - I didn't get that he was killed, or that foul play is suspected.

Pedro Anterisijn - Same thing; didn't sound as though foul play suspected.

Pascualito Geerman - Same thing ...

I think those last 3 might have been included because of their local positions or popularity ??? Or because they were Dutch??  Twisted Evil

In General - The translator is so poor that I don't have a lot of confidence in it. If I have not included something, it's because I couldn't find a suggestion of foul play, or involvement of a tourist. There were some traffic fatalities that I didn't include.

Now, I will turn to updating the Summary. This will take a few days with all of these additions. Remember that I have to make sure we don't already have in some form or another.
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« Reply #271 on: January 03, 2007, 01:46:26 AM »

Sandy, thank you so much for translating.  

"Stuffed in a septic tank?"  Isn't that what Granny Toad said about Natalee?  Seen in bar with mother?  Seems like we have heard of youngsters being seen in bars and casinos with parents before?  Is this a trend.  Pedofile?  Rings a bell here with someone else we all watch carefully.
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« Reply #272 on: January 03, 2007, 10:56:05 AM »

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Yes, that was Granny Toad's favorite theory for a long time but think she was really using it as an analogy of how the Sloot Compound was never searched despite the fact it is known to have a cesspool which may no longer be in use if they have available the commercial sewage system.  There is also reportedly a well on the property that goes back many years to a time when it might have been hand dug, meaning a larger opening than the commercially dug ones of today with the small diameter opening.  Old ones had to at least be large enough for the digger to go up and down.

The refusal of Paulus van der Sloot and his having his good friend the judge to change the terms of the Search Warrant on the spot, the actual morning of the search, will forever cast a pall of suspicion on that residence.

Did Anita go away for a few days taking the younger sons and stay with friends as was verified early on?  Did she stay with van der Straaten or more likely the Ben (Voc)Kings as reported at the time.  Was this to give long enough to make major clean up operation inside the walls of that place them call home?  

It was claimed to be for safety and security reasons and yet no one has made any attempt to harm them in any way and no credible threats issued.  And certainly none had been by that point in time.  I also suspect that some have arranged to have some sent to them for their high drama and hyperbole reasons.  And while the Arubans and Dutch like to decry the violence of Americans in general, note that no one has even actually harmed OJ!  Or Michael Jackson!  So the myth of the random nut harming them really does not hold water but is just something they like to pretend is just awful when trying to bilk money from the taxpayers of Aruba.

Did this crime and disposal method inspire any in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway?  Well, we don't know because no one was allowed to search the property of those last seen with her to eliminate just this kind of speculation and waste of time by ALE.  I just have to wonder what they had to hide so for usually in this country those in the position of last seen with as well as family members offer every cooperation.  The van der Sloots did just the opposite and even enlisted the judge to be on hand and present when the search was to be conducted to change that warrant on the spot.  This is collusion and corruption at its worse.

And yet we have high-priced, sleazy lawyers on TV making the claim that "every grain of sand" was searched when not even the residence of the last seen with Natalee has ever been searched.  How about the deep freezers of those involved?  That is a standard hiding place for criminals and murderers.  Have they been checked, every one of them these suspect had access to including the one in the kitchen of the hotel the key of which was found in Deepak Kalpoe's car?

Perhaps instead of turning over grains of sand or flying over jets on routine training missions renamed to pretend to be part of this investigation, they should have merely adhered to the universal standards of criminal investigations everywhere instead of looking where they knew she was NOT.  

No Body/No Case worked to well for them in the disappearance of the other Americans, Bud Larson and Max DeVries, that some in LE in Aruba seemed just shocked that this time the family did not go away when they started with the same lies and smear campaign against them that ALE had used before.  To this day, many in Aruba still think the disappearance of Max Devries was an insurance scam and if you will recall, they even had the nerve to tell us so early in this disappearance of Natalee.  His mother donated any money left after paying to try to find him to a local children's hospital in Michigan so scamming was she!  Shame on LE and Officials in Aruba who smeared this mother who also deserved justice for her child and in return only got lies and smears.

And that judge needs to be investigated and the proper steps taken to reprimand or censor or whatever the procedure "their system" provides for one doing such a things as this.  He signed the warrant publicly then sneaked over and revoked it and made a mockery of the search effort.  Why?  Why did he bother to be present for the search and is this not even considered highly improper conduct for one sitting on the Bench of justice?  Hardly sounds impartial or fair in any way but gives the appearance of the judiciary being personally involved or under the sway of the van der Sloots.  Judicial misconduct is the term that comes to my mind but then we are accustomed to at least some level of accountability by public officials.

Are no officials in Aruba held to accountability of any sort?  We surely have not heard of any investigations or efforts to insure they are properly doing their jobs and it is pretty obvious to any who care to look that they are not.  And we have been spoon-fed misinformation by the gallon from those whom Aruba has designated their OFFICIAL spokespersons.
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« Reply #273 on: January 04, 2007, 02:12:33 AM »

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First incident of the year? Needs translation.......man attacked with a baseball bat? Today's Diario.

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HOMBER A WORDE MALTRATA CU BATE

ORANJESTAD (AAN): Riba e prome dia di aña net ora cu dia ta habri a drenta informe cu un grupo di homber a bati un ciudadano cu bate di baseball patras di Las Vegas Bar na San Nicolas y cu e homber aki ta herida.
Mesora a manda tanto polis como ambulans pa bay na e lugar. Na nan yegada nan no a haya ningun persona maltrata, pues nan a sigui nan caminda. Un rato despues a drenta informe cerca ambulans cu tin un homber cu ta maltrata benta abao banda di WanBoy San Nicola


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« Reply #274 on: January 04, 2007, 11:33:25 AM »

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Certainly take your time updating the Summary, wait for the weekend if that is better for you.  We are not under any time constraints at all.  And our patience is legend!   Shocked  Very Happy  Shocked

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« Reply #275 on: January 05, 2007, 02:14:11 AM »

i was pounding this septic tank theory for months  Cool

i know it can be done Cool

not that i have done anything like it...but i installed them years ago Cool

for everyone that laughed at me...no one here OF COURSE

 
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« Reply #276 on: January 05, 2007, 02:42:55 AM »

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Yes, it is.  And so much for claims by high-priced lawyers claiming every grain of sand has been moved when not even the most basic of searches was ever conducted.  F-16 jets when no search of the property of those last seen with the victim?  Pun-leeze!

And given the vast, wide world out there, how often does the perpetrator of a crime hide his victim right in his own home?  Deep freezers, flower gardens, crawl spaces and attics have all been used by any number of criminals to conceal their misdeeds with a frequency that would defy any form of logic.  For whatever reasons, they just seem to do use space very close at hand very often.

And knowing this full well, the extraordinary measure was taken of having the very judge on hand to countermand the search of the primary residence involved in this when it could also have been the actual crime scene as well.

And they called this an "investigation"?

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« Reply #277 on: January 05, 2007, 03:49:20 PM »

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Yes, it is.  And so much for claims by high-priced lawyers claiming every grain of sand has been moved when not even the most basic of searches was ever conducted.  F-16 jets when no search of the property of those last seen with the victim?  Pun-leeze!

And given the vast, wide world out there, how often does the perpetrator of a crime hide his victim right in his own home?  Deep freezers, flower gardens, crawl spaces and attics have all been used by any number of criminals to conceal their misdeeds with a frequency that would defy any form of logic.  For whatever reasons, they just seem to do use space very close at hand very often.

And knowing this full well, the extraordinary measure was taken of having the very judge on hand to countermand the search of the primary residence involved in this when it could also have been the actual crime scene as well.

And they called this an "investigation"?

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« Reply #278 on: January 06, 2007, 12:06:16 AM »

the people in ARUBA that went searching that had the DAY OFF

if they were anything like the SLOOTS, KALPOES and the other CREEPS

they were of little help in searching
im beginning to hate everyone that lives there THAT has not spoken up as they watch their ECONOMY SINK like a ROCK  Cool
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« Reply #279 on: January 08, 2007, 12:57:21 PM »

Posted on the front page of Diario on January 8, 2007 but without the full article:

Another suicide in Aruba.  From what I can read this person was a cameraman for ATV Television in Aruba.  Looks like he was 25 years old:



http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/1/8/
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