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« Reply #320 on: January 20, 2007, 12:59:39 PM »

Posts on LCD 01/20/2007 (emphasis added here is mine):

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Recherchenan ta buscando e malhechornan HOBEN ARUBANO A WORDE ASESINA NA HULANDA

ORANJESTAD (AAN): Recientemente y cu tristeza familiares di Gregory Kelly mihor conoci como Manolo a ricibi e tristo informe cu nan ser keri a worde seriamente herida y autoridad ta tema pa su bida.
Pero mas despues a sigui otro informe cu Gregory a fayece ya cu no por a haci nada mas pe. Informe for di Hulanda ta indica cu Gregory tabata den compani adi un amigo y aparentemente algun homber cara na mascara a asalta nan.
Un di e hombernan a dispara for di un arma di candela cu e consecuencia fatal. Parce cu Gregory hunto cu su companero di trabao nan lo ta cerando e casino y aparentemente nan a worde sorprendi pa e trio cu cara cubri.
Polis Hulandes no kier a duna mas detaye di e caso ya cu esaki ta den pleno investigacion. Tin un team di Recherche ta trahando riba e caso serio y lamentable aki.
A puntra pa e otro compañero con a para cune, tampoco no por a suministra dato debi na e investigacion.
Mientras tanto Gregory di 33 aña, Dialuna venidero lo worde dera den oranan di mainta na Hulanda mes.
Na familiars di e fayecido Diario ta extende palabranan di profundo condolencia na su sernan keri tanto na Hulanda y Aruba .


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recherchenan is buscando the malhechornan young aruban owing to worde asesina at the netherlands

oranjestad (aan): recientemente y cu tristeza familiares of gregory kelly mihor conoci because; manolo owing to ricibi the tristo informe cu they being keri owing to worde seriamente injury y autoridad is exercise for his life. but more after owing to follow another informe cu gregory owing to fayece already cu not can owing to haci nothing more pe. informe for of the netherlands is indica cu gregory was in compani adi one amigo y apparently some man cara at mascara owing to asalta they. one of the hombernan owing to dispara for of one arm of candela cu the consecuencia fateful. seems cu gregory together cu his companero of trabao they will is cerando the casino y apparently they owing to worde sorprendi for her trio cu cara cubri. police dutch does not owing to give more detaye of the caso already cu this is in pleno investigacion. have one team of recherche is trahando on the caso earnest y lamentable here. owing to ask about for her another compañero con owing to stop cune, niether not can owing to suministra dato debi at the investigacion. all the time gregory of 33 year, monday venidero will worde bury in oranan of morning at the netherlands self. at familiars of the fayecido daily paper is extende words of deep condolencia at his sernan keri tanto at the netherlands y aruba come across. come across


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Elvis Kelly and his wife Gladys were at the casino the same night Joran and Natalee were. It's in Andre dos Santos statement.

Elvis Kelly is related to Gregorio Kelly. Gregorio Kelly was just murdered in the Netherlands. It appears it happened at a casino.


Hoping for a better translation. Need to watch, to determine whether this murder had anything to do with something on Aruba.
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« Reply #321 on: January 20, 2007, 02:05:10 PM »

Quote from: "Leslie"
Solo di Pueblo  January 16, 2007
Front page story and pictures of the tow truck driver's suicide.

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« Reply #322 on: January 21, 2007, 10:25:13 AM »

Another murder in 2006:
Elvis Zavala-Maduro on July 1, 2006 in an apt. in San Nicholas
Bondia:  Page 6
http://www.cspnv.com/archivo/pdf/Jan/20/A-20-1-07.pdf
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« Reply #323 on: January 21, 2007, 11:39:30 AM »

The death of the man Elvis Zavala is on page 16:
http://www.cspnv.com/archivo/pdf/Dec/30/D-30-12-06.pdf
where he is called Elvis Zara - an employee of Valero
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« Reply #324 on: January 21, 2007, 01:09:08 PM »

Oh, my - thank you Leslie. I saw that story in the Year End Review but didn't pick up that it was deemed a murder.

I'll see if klaas can edit our summary.
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« Reply #325 on: January 21, 2007, 11:08:20 PM »

MsMarple,
To what does this now bring out total in the murder count?  I think thirteen but was not clear if the infant death had been included in the total or not as yet.

Twelve or thirteen would still be near three times the per capita rate of the U.S., a country that readily admits to a high crime rate and urges all to take every precaution.

With our limited skills in translating from Papiamento, it is far more likely that we would miss a few murders and crimes than to add more than actually happened.

I am still hoping Klaas will again verify the official count that she was able to find last year in the public library in Aruba.  Not sure how she did that and it is likely they do not have their total posted as yet but as soon as it is, I would like to know so that we can compare our own count with it.  For 2005, the total matched so I do hope that the same happens with 2006 and we are once again validated as accurate.

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« Reply #326 on: January 22, 2007, 12:06:08 AM »

Author: Wade (---.252.96.224.Dial1.Cincinnati1.Level3.net)
Date:   05-03-05 14:41

My wife and I just returned this Sun. from Aruba. We are repeat visitors and have never had any problems with theft on the island until this Sat. While I was snorkling at Malmok Beach, someone Got into my snorkle bag hidden in the rocks and took the car key ( left my wife's snorkle equip.) and stole the rental car. My wallet,cash, credit cards, driv. lic ect were locked up in the trunk. We purchase all additional ins.offered to us from Budget but they state we declined Theft ins. Bottom line... It was never offered to us, we are responsible for the cost of the car until it is located. BE CAREFUL- WEAR YOUR CAR KEY AROUND YOUR NECK OR WRIST AS THE POLICE LATER ADVISED US!!. Is there anybody with a similar incident that can give me some advice. I have nobody to represent me when they find the car and return it to Budget. The car was in pretty bad shape when it was given to us but I did video tape the car before we took it. Anybody seen a White Toyota Yaris Lic plate # V- 3631???We love Aruba and will return next year but this is a huge problem that the police call JOY RIDING.Any feed back would be greatly appreciated.

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« Reply #327 on: January 22, 2007, 03:12:30 PM »

Interresting older court case:
http://www.olemiss.edu/orgs/SGLC/National/SandBar/4.4aruba.htm

Aruba Resort Has Duty to Warn

Lienhart v. Caribbean Hospitality Servs., Inc., 426 F.3d 1337 (11th Cir. 2005).

Lynda Lancaster, J.D.

In a recent liability case, the Eleventh Circuit held that the Aruba Grand Beach Resort & Casino (Aruba Grand) has the responsibility to warn guests about trucks and boat trailers crossing the beach.

Background
On May 9, 1998, while vacationing at the Aruba Grand, Janice Lienhart was struck by a pickup truck and boat trailer operated by Unique Sports of Aruba (Unique Sports) while asleep on the beach in front of the Aruba Grand. Lienhart suffered extensive injuries to her face, chest, neck, and arm which have required years of medical treatment. At the time of the accident, Lienhart was utilizing a lounge chair placed under a tiki hut by a member of the Aruba Grand’s staff.

The Aruba Grand is a large resort operated by Caribbean Hospitality Services, a Florida management company. To draw guests to its facility, the resort heavily promotes its private beach, adjacent public beach, and water activities. Unique Sports offers snorkeling and scuba diving trips which depart directly from the resort. Unique Sports rents space from the Aruba Grand and its facilities are adjacent to the hotel.
Lienhart sued Unique Sports, the Aruba Grand, and Caribbean Hospitality Services for damages resulting from the accident. Lienhart argued that the Aruba Grand was required to inform guests about the trucks on the beach because it knew of the dangerous conditions created by Unique Sports’s activities. The Aruba Grand argued that they were not responsible for the injuries to Lienhart because Lienhart’s injuries were solely the result of Unique Sports’s negligence. The trial court granted summary judgment in favor of Aruba Grand, concluding that the resort could not be held responsible for the negligence of another party.

“Zone of Danger”
The Eleventh Circuit focused on whether the Aruba Grand created a “zone of danger” by directing its guests to an area of the beach frequented by vehicles. Florida law, as a matter of public policy, requires landowners to maintain their property in a reasonably safe condition and imposes a duty to warn of concealed perils that are known or should be known to the landowner, but which are unknown or undiscoverable to guests.1

Unlike the trial court, the Eleventh Circuit determined that the Aruba Grand did have a duty to Lienhart. The court found that Lienhart’s injuries resulted from a “risk the Aruba Grand created and failed to warn or guard against.”2 The Aruba Grand controlled the area of the beach where Lienhart was sitting and knew that one of its tenants, Unique Sports, transported equipment in the area. The Aruba Grand was also aware that Unique Sports drove across the public beach without any demarcation of a driving path and without back-up devices on the trucks. The Eleventh Circuit concluded that the Aruba Grand had created a dangerous situation by allowing Unique Sports to trailer boats to and from the beach without separating the lounge chairs and tiki huts from the traffic on the beach. The Aruba Grand, therefore, breached its duty to minimize the risk of harm to its guests.

Conclusion
The Eleventh Circuit held that the district court erred by granting summary judgment and remanded the case to determine whether Caribbean Hospitality manages the Aruba Grand to such an extent that it assumes contractual liability. This issue was never reached on remand as the parties settled prior to the second trial.

Endnotes
1. Lienhart v. Caribbean Hospitality Servs., 426 F.3d 1337, 1339 (11th Cir. 2005).
2. Id. at 1340.
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« Reply #328 on: January 22, 2007, 04:27:28 PM »

This is interesting for a number of reasons, Klaas.  Thanks for posting it.

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On May 9, 1998, while vacationing at the Aruba Grand, Janice Lienhart was struck by a pickup truck and boat trailer operated by Unique Sports of Aruba (Unique Sports) while asleep on the beach in front of the Aruba Grand. Lienhart suffered extensive injuries to her face, chest, neck, and arm which have required years of medical treatment. At the time of the accident, Lienhart was utilizing a lounge chair placed under a tiki hut by a member of the Aruba Grand’s staff.
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That is a pretty horrific thing to think about happening while snoozing on the beach!  I am so glad that this person was able to conduct these lawsuits in this country because of the managing company being located here.

I wonder the same about Carlos and Charlie's being some how negligent in that it was well known that drugs were put in drinks there if a member of law enforcement is warning Dave Holloway about it.  What liability do they have to warn tourist of this practice?  Were the drugs put there by bartenders or the customers on their own?  Should the HI have warned their guests to stay away from such an establishment where it was common knowledge drugs were administered to drinks?  

A lawyer well versed in these areas should go over all of this that happened to Natalee with a fine toothed comb as I am sure there are areas of responsibility where mistakes were made that the family can appeal to the court to or redress of their loss.  After all, all the other students returned safely and had done so for years.  Something was amiss with the  situation involving Natalee.
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« Reply #329 on: January 22, 2007, 11:16:43 PM »

ARUBA           
Date of Death    Place of Death    Cause of Death
July 12, 2004    ARUBA    Drowning
July 12, 2004    ARUBA    Drowning
January 26, 2005    ORANJESTAD, ARUBA    Other Accident
February 8, 2005    HORACIO ODUBER HOSPITAL, ARUBA    Drowning
March 12, 2005    WYNDHAM ARUBA BEACH RESORT, ARUBA    Drug-Related
June 8, 2006    HORACIO ODUBER HOSPITAL, PALM BEACH, ARUBA    Veh. Accid.-Auto
October 4, 2006    SAN NICOLAS, ARUBA    Drowning

http://www.travel.state.gov/family/family_issues/death/death_594.html
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« Reply #330 on: January 24, 2007, 02:33:17 PM »

That is an excellent resource, Bleachedblack, as it lists all deaths by Americans on foreign soil in recent years other than natural causes.  Good information to have for tourists traveling abroad.  

Thanks for posting that!

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« Reply #331 on: January 24, 2007, 09:25:50 PM »

Sandy Leiva posted on LCD 01/24/2007:

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found in todays Diario:

OLA A BENTA TURISTA RIBA TERA Y KIBRA RIBCHI

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ORANJESTAD (AAN): Diamars merdia algo despues di 2’or, e informe a drenta di un caso serio cu a socede na Punta Brabo.

E informe cu a drenta ta mustra cu un turista a worde azota pa ola, te cu el a bay for di tino.
Tanto Polis como Ambulans a acudi na e lugar pa check kico ta pasando.

Testigonan a splica, cu ola a dal e turista asina duro, y a lora su curpa bay te riba tera, y debi na e golpi, el a kibra ribchi.

Personal di Ambulans a pone bon riba un brancard, pa asina Strandpolitie a hise riba un vehiculo ATV, pa asina bay cune te na e Pavilion di Manchebo Beach Resort, pa eynan Ambulans pone riba brancard.

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in a nut shell tourist attacked knocked to ground and ribs broken in punta brabo. Ambulance was called for the tourist. location of punta brabo is near manchebo beach resort. No further info available No names given.


Thank you Sandy. I sent out a signal about this story earlier in the day - and you responded!
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« Reply #332 on: January 24, 2007, 11:37:49 PM »

And we were discouraged from doing this thread because none of these things ever happen to the tourists--just among the locals?   Rolling Eyes  Rolling Eyes  Rolling Eyes

I am so thankful we did not heed that advice for this has turned into a wealth of information and just about all of it is directed toward the tourists or happens in the tourist district or restaurants where tourists are likely to be present.  Very little space on this thread had been devoted to strictly local crime as it seems even possible to encounter a stray corpse on a beach just about any given weekend or other.

Glad we stuck to it and have this to show for our efforts.  

Thanks to all who make it possible to at least begin to keep up with the crime on the island.

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« Reply #333 on: January 25, 2007, 09:17:43 AM »

http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/1/24/ -- Diario 01/24/2007:

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A base di pago di 500 mil Florin PRUEBA CON SENADOR MERICANO TA ELOGIA NEL ODUBER

ORANJESTAD (AAN) – Ayera pueblo di Aruba a haya un shock ora a sali den publicidad cu prome ministro di Aruba, Nelson Orlando Oduber su nomber a worde menciona na Merca den un caso di soborno di un senador.

E persona, Jack Abramoff, kende tabata haci trabao di lobymento (esta influencia) cerca gobierno Mericano, a haya su mes confronta cu husticia mericano pasobra e ta worde acusa di a comete actonan di fraude, corupcion y conspiracion pa cual el a admiti caba cerca fiscalnan mericano y awor e ta cooperando cu nan den e investigacion penal cu ta andando na Merca y cu a lanta masha hopi stof.

Abramoff ta cooperando awor cu e investigacion riba corupcion di congreso mericano. Senador Conrad Burns, segun informacionnan haya for di Merca, ta worde menciona door di e organizacion CREW como un di e 13 miembronan mas corupto di congreso mericano.

E mesun senador aki ta e persona kende riba 7 di December 2004 a elogia Nelson Orlando Oduber como prome ministro di Aruba. Pakico un miembro di congreso sin mas ta bay elogia prome ministro di Aruba? Ki beneficio e miembro di congreso mericano aki tabata tin cu prome ministro di Aruba cu el a bay elogia Nel Oduber, segun documentonan ta demostra?

Te con leu ta conoci, asuntonan cu ta regarda contactonan riba tereno gubernamental cu otro paisnan ta worde atendi door di departamento di asuntonan exterior di Hulanda y ta cay bao di competencia di Hulanda / Reino Hulandes.

Den e caso specifico aki, parlamento hulandes lo tin cu bay haci pregunta na gobierno hulandes encuanto te con leu Hulanda tabata meti den e escandalo di pagamento di placa door di Aruba pa un miembro di congreso mericano bay papia positivo di Nel Oduber den congreso mericano.

Kende ta bay contesta e pregunta di unda e 500 mil Florin of Dollar a sali pa paga un compania na Merca pa bay loby cerca un congresista mericano y kende ta worde menciona na Merca como un persona corupto y e otro kende lo tabata haci trabao pa loby, a admiti actonan penal caba cerca husticia mericano?

Di cua presupuesto placa a worde saca di pais Aruba pa un compania na Merca bay comete actonan di soborno cerca un of mas congresista mericano?

Con Hulanda por permiti of tolera cu den Reino Hulandes un partner por saca placa di presupuesto nacional pa hinca esaki den actonan di soborno na otro pais?

Recientemente un arubiano a worde sentencia na Merca pasobra segun su version el a yuda of coopera cu un amigo of conocir den transaccionnan di placa di negoshi, pero den e caso hopi mas grandi aki, placa di Aruba a worde uza den actonan di soborno di un miembro di congreso mericano!

No ta conoci ainda te con leu autoridadnan mericano ta cu nan investigacion, pero nomber di prome ministro Nel Oduber a worde menciona na Merca y tardi of tempran mester bin claridad riba envolvimento di gobierno di Aruba, sea directamente of indirectamente, den actonan di corupcion y soborno na Merca.

E caso aki ta uno demasiado serio pa aki na Aruba y tambe na Hulanda ambos gobierno djis kere di por laba man. Laga cada ken awe lesa pa nan mes con e miembro di congreso mericano ta elogia y gaba Nel Oduber como prome ministro di Aruba.


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A summary of the Diario article re. Abramoff and Oduber is as follows:

What’s involved is that Nelson Oduber, the Prime Minister of Aruba, paid Abramoff over 250 thousand dollars to put in a good word for him in the Congressional records. Oduber’s name was clearly mentioned with regards to that transaction.

Since Abramaoff kept himself busy with lobbying work and found himself accused of having committed fraud, corruption and conspiracy, which he admitted to the district attorneys, and is now cooperating in the penal investigation that is going on in the U.S. Since he did the same kind of lobby work for Nelson Oduber with the same senator (Conrad Burns), for the price of 250.000 dollars, the article places emphasis on the fact that Oduber’s name is being mentioned in the sordid Abramoff affair in the U.S.

The paper is asking from where Nelson Oduber obtained the funds to beef himself up in the U.S.? And why was Aruban undeclared money used to pay off a corrupt person in the U.S. to speak well of the Prime Minister. The paper also asks how come Holland can tolerate for a partner of the Kingdom to pull out money from the national budget to invest in acts of bribery.

Then the paper goes on to quote what was written about Nelson Oduber in the Congressional records, and to point out that for this small island it is a very serious matter when the Prime Minister gets himself involved, directly or indirectly, in acts of corruption and bribery just to have some good words about him placed in the records.
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« Reply #334 on: January 25, 2007, 09:28:59 AM »

vms posted on LCD 01/25/2007, re. Oduber, Abramoff, Burns.

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[Congressional Record: December 7, 2004 (Senate)]
[Page S11888]
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[[Page S11888]]

ARUBA AND COUNTER-TERRORISM FINANCING

Mr. BURNS. Mr. President, I rise today to pay tribute to the
Government of Aruba, a leader in the fight to stop the flow of
terrorist funds in the Caribbean and Latin America. There can be no
doubt that terrorism is the defining challenge of the Nation since 9-
11. While I have always believed that the United States must boldly and
confidently lead the way in this brutal war we find ourselves in, I
believe that help from our allies is essential to stop the financial
networks that support terrorism.

One of the most important fronts in the war on terror concerns the
funding mechanisms that support terrorist activities, including
underground financial systems, illicit charities, and corrupt financial
service providers. Financiers, fundraisers, or donors who provide
financial support to terrorists need to be stopped.

Earlier this year, I had met with the Prime Minister of Aruba, Mr.
Nelson Oduber. We discussed the international threat of terrorism and a
number of other issues. Prime Minister Oduber stressed his nation's
support for stopping terrorism and his determination in stopping money
laundering and terrorist financing in his nation.

In fact, Aruba's leadership in this field started in 1990 when it
hosted what became known as the Aruba Drug Money Laundering Conference, a regional mirror of the Financial Action Task Force--FATF--launched at the Paris G-7 summit of 1989. This started a process, which eventually led to the creation of the Caribbean Financial Action Task Force-- CFATF--an organization that now plays a key role in the War on Terror.

On October 30, 2001, the FATF adopted eight special recommendations on terrorist financing and Aruba has moved to implement some of those
recommendations.

I pay tribute today to Aruba for joining the United States of America
in the War on Terror.
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« Reply #335 on: January 25, 2007, 01:32:54 PM »

SunFreak2 posted this on LCD 01/25/2007, also re. the above posts.

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At the Caribbean Financial Action Task Force in 1997 - Rick Smid (now Judge Smid) was the expert on Money Laundering in the Casino & Gaming Industry!!! See reference below. I found this many months ago and wondered if Judge Smid now heads up the illegal money laundering operations in the Caribbean. It makes sense to me that an expert on money laundering could decide to go to the "dark side" as he would know all the ins & outs and how to avoid the law.

Smid is the Judge who freed Joran, Freddie, K2 in September 2005. He supposedly is Paulus's good buddy. Could Paulus be in cahoots with Smid in the money laundering biz? Maybe Joran & Guido were in on it too.

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CFATF Typology Exercise II: Casino Regulatory Conference
Aruba - July 16-17, 1997

The Nature and Extent of Money Laundering in the Casino and Gaming Industry
Hon. Tennyson R.G. Wells, AG and Minister of Justice-The Bahamas
Mr. Rick Smid, National Public Prosecutor-Netherlands

source: http://www.cfatf.org/eng/typoexe/ click on Casino & Gaming
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« Reply #336 on: January 25, 2007, 03:18:13 PM »

This was allegedly Karin Janssen's area of expertise as well, prior to her leaving The Netherlands for Aruba.  I have often wondered if there was a connection between her and Judge Smid in this regard and if they knew each other prior to coming to the islands.

Was the idea for these two to prosecute cases of money-mishandling or participate in them?  Odd that they both would have that particular area of knowledge.

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« Reply #337 on: January 26, 2007, 06:56:29 PM »

Here is a link to a bill opposing online gambling that Jack Abramoff is credited with DEFEATING.  He helped online gambling stay legal and it is his lobbying efforts that are largely attributed to this bill's defeat.  

http://tinyurl.com/2g63z3

And just last year, the Safe Port bill was passed which makes it now illegal to use bank transactions in the commission of online gambling.  Finally, with Abramoff out of the picture, this bill was able to get through Congress.

http://tinyurl.com/yun3bc

Spencer Bachus (R-AL) was a sponsor of this bill and also the author of one of the original versions.  His version was later scrapped in favor of inclusion in a larger more inclusive bill which featured other concerns but the end result was making it illegal to use banking transactions, particularly wire and credit card ones for online gambling.  Just about impossible to conduct online gambling without some form of bank wire transaction.

This had to hurt those in this industry which would include Michael Posner owner of the Excelsior Casino where Natalee Holloway was seen on the afternoon before she disappeared.  Although most of the actual transmissions and set up for internet gambling seems to be situated on the Island of Curacao, the players are the same and many are Arubans or live on that island as well.

So with Abramoff put away in jail, the legislation was passed and is now law disabling online gambling.  Note that if one does a search of these type sites, Posner has several sanctions against him in the first place and has only a Class C rating which is not very good.  I can't imagine people entrusting their money to someone with such a suspect rating but then perhaps they don't know about that.  He was apparently sanctioned in regard to horse racing but his online gambling also has a low rating on amount returned to customers, etc.

Without U.S. credit card payments, it is doubtful that many of these online casinos will stay in business but in other parts of the world, they continue to flourish and rake in billions every year.  How much of that is honest, no one knows for how does one file a complaint and who is willing to go to that extent even if they are not treated in the most legitimate of ways.  It's a perfect set up for the dishonest to take advantage from a distance and something that should concern all nations, not just this one.

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« Reply #338 on: January 27, 2007, 07:28:03 AM »

klaas posted this on LCD, re. Jossy on the Dana Pretzer show, 01/26/2007:

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Regarding Oduber and Abramoff:

Normally, Holland does all the negotiations for Aruba. Oduber should not have been doing lobby work for Aruba, the Netherlands should have.

Oduber contacted through Abramoff through Abramoff's employer. Oduber very well aware of Abramoff's troubles. Oduber spent alot of money that could have been spent on tourism, or pay polis..etc.

Jossy thinks the money paid to Abramoff was simply to promote Oduber.
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« Reply #339 on: January 27, 2007, 02:22:34 PM »

Of course, not all of Jack Abramoff's activities were illegal and it may be difficult to prove what was for personal gain and what was for the casino lobby for he was successful in staving off the passage of any bill to make online gambling illegal.

Fortunately, with his arrest last year under the Bush administration, Representative Spencer Bachus of Alabama and others were finally able to complete the passage of the Safe Port bill which contains legislation making the use of banking via wire or credit card illegal for the purposes of financing online gambling.

With all the casinos and casino owners in Aruba, this has to be something Mr. Oduber would not be happy to hear.  If determined, there are ways to bypass the law such as setting up bank accounts in foreign countries but it would take a very determined gambler to go to that much trouble.  The result will likely be a loss of tremendous amounts of income by the online gambling companies, many of whom operate out of the Caribbean basin.

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