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« Reply #440 on: May 20, 2007, 01:31:54 PM »

Several items in Saturday's Diario (05/19/2007).

http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/5/19/

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El a usa taki di biljard...
DETENCION PROLONGA PA HOMBER CU A ATACA POLIS


Diabierna mainta, e homber V.F.C. di 21 aña di edad, a tende con Huez Comisario ta prolonga su detencion. Esey ta debi cu el a ataca un agente policial cu un taki di biljard.

Tur cos a socede na Piedra Plat unda tabatin discusion di rumannan, y e tata a pidi presencia di Polis. Ora cu un agente a bay papia cu un dama, diripiente e hoben aki a presenta y a zwaai cu esaki riba dje. E polis pa defende su mes a blok usando su man pa evita e taki biljart lo por a dal e den su cara.

E agente rapidamente a hasi uso di su klop tambe, y asina a start un bataya entre e polis y e homber arma cu e taki biljard.

Tur dos a bay tera, pero finalmente e polis a logra detene e hoben di inicialnan VFC di 21 aña pa maltrato cu arma. E polis tabata keha di basta dolor na tanto su man como na su rudia. Ademas e agente a sufri rasca na curpa.

Huez Comisario a haya cu tin tur motibo pa e keda pa ocho dia mas cera tras di trali pendiente su investigacion rond di e acusacion grave, esta di ataca un oficial di Polis.


Online Pap translation:

past owing to using taki of biljard... detencion prolonga for man cu owing to ataca police

diabierna morning, he v.f.c. of 21 year of edad, owing to hear con huez comisario is prolonga his detencion. esey is debi cu past owing to ataca one agent policial cu one taki of biljard.

all cos owing to socede at stone plat where had discusion of rumannan, y the father owing to ask presencia of police. hour cu one agent owing to bay talk cu one lady, diripiente the young here owing to present y owing to zwaai cu this on dje. the police for defende his self owing to blok usando his hand for evita the taki biljart will can owing to strike the in his cara.

the agent rapidamente owing to make usage of his klop also, y so owing to start one action among the police y he arm cu the taki biljard.

all two owing to bay ground, but finalmente the police owing to succeed detene the young of inicialnan vfc of 21 year for maltrato cu arm. the police was complain of enough dolor at tanto his hand because; at his knee. besides the agent owing to abide rasca at curpa.

huez comisario owing to achieve cu have all motibo for her stay for eight day more close behind trali pendiente his investigacion rond of the acusacion important, esta of ataca one oficial of police.

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DETENCION PROLONGA PA SOSPECHOSONAN DI
“BENDE DROGA PAFOR CARLOS ‘N CHARLIE’S”


ORANJESTAD (AAN): Tanto Diaranzon como Diabierna a presenta dilanti Huez Comisario, e grupo di sospechosonan kendenan aparentemente ta dedica nan mes, of ta colabora pa bende droga banda di clubnan nocturno. Agentenan ta usando e nomber “Bende Droga Pafor Carlos ‘n Charlie’s” pa referi na e hecho cu nan tabata bende droga pafor di e establecimento aki.

Nan a worde gara danki na un accion “Bende Droga Pafor Carlos ‘n Charlie’s” hunto cu Douane, den vecindario di e clubnan usando hasta cacho anti-droga. Esaki a produci resultado, cu te dia di awe ta elogio so autoridad ta hayando for di pueblo.

Riba e potretnan aki por mira e sospechosonan ta yegando na Huez Comisario pa asina bin tende cu nan detencion ta worde prolonga. Mey-mey di nan por mira uno kende apenas e siman aki a worde gara na su cas.

DIARIO a haya sa cu keto bay e investigacion ta sigui y no por descarta e posibilidad cu mas detencion por cay.


Online Pap translation:

detencion prolonga for sospechosonan of “bende drugs abroad carlos ‘n charlie’s”

oranjestad (aan): tanto diaranzon because; diabierna owing to present fast huez comisario, the are of sospechosonan kendenan apparently is dedica they self, or is colabora for sell drugs near of clubnan nocturno. agentenan is usando the name “bende drugs abroad carlos ‘n charlie’s” for referi at the mature cu they was sell drugs abroad of the establecimento here.

they owing to worde grab thanks at one accion “bende drugs abroad carlos ‘n charlie’s” together cu douane, in vecindario of the clubnan usando even cacho anti-droga. this owing to produci result, cu till day of today is elogio only autoridad is hayando for of people.

on the potretnan here can see the sospechosonan is yegando at huez comisario for so come hear cu they detencion is worde prolonga. mey-mey of they can see uno that barely the week here owing to worde grab at his cas.

daily paper owing to achieve know cu keto bay the investigacion is follow y not can descarta the posibilidad cu more detencion can cay.

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Encuanto asesinato na Boegoeroei...
AUTORIDAD BUSCANDO “CHIPO” Y “SCHUINS”


ORANJESTAD (AAN): Riba Diabierna, Polis a opta pa busca yudanza di prensa y di pueblo pa nan por pone man riba dos sospechoso peligroso cu keto bay ta canando rond liber y ta scondi! Pa medio di vocero policial, a worde suministra dos informe importante relaciona cu buskeda y detencion di dos individuo peligroso.

Ta trata aki di e homber Yeferson Augusto Martinez Ruiz mihor conoci como “Chipo”. E sospechoso aki esta “Chipo” ta naci na Venezuela dia 31 di October 1990. E ta biba na Tanki Leendert 125-E. Fiscal mr. Flanegin ta pidi su buskeda relaciona cu violacion di diferente articulonan di ley 302.c.q,301 cq,325 cq,330 WVSR y articulo 3 vuurwapen verordering.

Mientras tanto e otro individuo Julian Rasmijn mihor conoci como “Schuins” naci na Colombia dia 9 di april 1989 ta worde busca tambe. Su adres registra ta Tanki Flip 64F.
E sospechoso “Schuins” ta worde busca y e tambe ta worde acusa pa e mesun articulonan di ley menciona ariba. Nan ta envolvi den e caso di asesinato na Boegoeroei cu a socede algo despues di mey anochi riba 9 di Mei, net dilanti Hong Fa Restaurant na Boegoeroei.

E dos hobennan aki ta peligroso! Chipo tin 16 aña y Schuins tin 18 aña. Cualkier persona cu conoce, wak, señala y sa unda nan ta sconde pa husticia ,por yama warda di polis “100” y suministra e informe pa asina autoridad por pone man riba mas rapido posible.


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encuanto asesinato at boegoeroei... autoridad buscando “chipo” y “schuins”

oranjestad (aan): on diabierna, police owing to opta for busca yudanza of prensa y of people for they can place hand on two sospechoso dangerous cu keto bay is canando rond pound y is scondi! by vocero policial, owing to worde suministra two informe important relaciona cu buskeda y detencion of two individual dangerous.

is deal here of he yeferson augusto martinez ruiz mihor conoci because; “chipo”. the sospechoso here esta “chipo” is naci at venezuela day 31 of october 1990.

the live at tanki leendert 125-e. fiscal mr. flanegin is ask his buskeda relaciona cu violacion of various articulonan of ley 302.c.q,301 cq,325 cq,330 wvsr y articulo 3 vuurwapen verordering.

all the time the another individual julian rasmijn mihor conoci because; “schuins” naci at colombia day 9 of april 1989 is worde busca also. his adres registra is tanki flip 64f.

the sospechoso “schuins” is worde busca y the also is worde acusa for her same articulonan of ley menciona upstairs. they're envolvi in the caso of asesinato at boegoeroei cu owing to socede algo after of mey night on 9 of half, just fast hong fa restaurant at boegoeroei.

the two hobennan here is dangerous! chipo have 16 year y schuins have 18 year. cualkier person cu conoce, look at, señala y know where they're sconde for husticia come across,por calling keep of police “100” y suministra the informe for so autoridad can place hand on more rapido posible.

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INDICACION CU E CASO AKI TA UN SUICIDIO MES

ORANJESTAD (AAN): Relaciona cu e curpa sin biba cual a worde descubri pa dos di su companero den e cas Bubali 123 F, tur indicacion awor ta cu el a comete suicidio. Manera ta conoci Diahuebs algo prome cu 12’or di merdia, alarma a worde bati na polis cu a descubri un homber morto den un cas. Mesora patruya a worde dirigi na e adres y a constata cu enberdad tin un homber no ta duna señal di bida. Asina autoridad a solicita presencia di demas autoridad, y tambe esnan encarga cu investigacion tecnico.

Esey debi cu e homber tin un herida na cabez, y awor investigacion forensico tin di mustra si acaso el a tira su mes, of un otro a comete esey.

DIARIO tabata presente algun minuut despues na e lugar, y a mira con e.o. Halto Comisario Peter de Witte a yega, hunto cu Fiscal, Docter, y Patologo.

Mientras personanan encarga cu Departamento Tecnico di polis a presenta tambe y nan a bisti coverall special color blanco y blauw mesora nan a cuminsa busca investiga e caso profundamente. E investigacion a tuma basta ora ya cu e funcionario tin di determina y busca delaster pista pa saca afor si aki lo tat rata di suicidio comete of man nan criminal ta envolvi. Finalmente a dicidi cu ta bay practica autopsia cu a tuma lugar den transcurso di ayera caba.

Tin fuerte indicacion cu Jose Augustin Rodriquez naci na Spaña di 38 aña a pone un punto final na su bida. Durante di e investigacion polis a bin descubri algo skirbi cu a hala nan atencion cu ta lo siguiente “Alto llama a la policia. Estoy muerto de un disparo. No es broma”.

E palabranan skirbi tambe segun informe investigacion ta indica cu e propio victima prome di a comete suicidio a skirbi esaki y a lage atras. Gerencia di Riu Palace Resort segun informe a percura pa a notifica famia di e informe tragico fuera doloroso y cu e curpa di Jose Augustin Rodriguez ta worde traslada pa Spaña, na unda e entiero lo tuma lugar den seno familiar. Prome cu esaki coleganan y conocirnan lo tin oportunidad pa dispidi di e defunto. Paz na su restonan.


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indicacion cu the caso here is one suicidio self

oranjestad (aan): relaciona cu the curpa without live cual owing to worde descubri for two of his companero in the cas bubali 123 f, all indicacion now is cu past owing to comete suicidio. as is conoci diahuebs algo first cu 12’or of afternoon, alarma owing to worde beat at police cu owing to descubri one man dead in one cas. at once patrol owing to worde dirigi at the adres y owing to constata cu enberdad have one man do not give sign of life. so autoridad owing to solicita presencia of other autoridad, y also esnan encarga cu investigacion tecnico.

esey debi cu he have one injury at cabez, y now investigacion forensico have of show if acaso past owing to throw his self, or one another owing to comete esey.

daily paper was present some minuut after at the lugar, y owing to see con the.o. high comisario peter de witte owing to arrive, together cu fiscal, docter, y patologo.

while personanan encarga cu departamento tecnico of police owing to present also y they owing to dress coverall special color blanco y blauw at once they owing to cuminsa busca investiga the caso profundamente. the investigacion did take enough hour already cu the funcionario have of determina y busca last pista for saca afor if here will tat rata of suicidio comete or hand they criminal is envolvi. finalmente owing to dicidi cu is bay practica autopsia cu did take lugar in transcurso of yesterday end.

have strong indicacion cu jose augustin rodriquez naci at spain of 38 year owing to place one sharp end at his life. during of the investigacion police owing to come descubri algo write cu owing to wing they atencion cu is will next “alto llama owing to la policia. estoy muerto de one disparo. not es broma”.

the words write also according informe investigacion is indica cu the own victima first of owing to comete suicidio owing to write this y owing to lage behind. gerencia of river palace resort according informe owing to percura for owing to notifica family of the informe tragico fuera painful y cu the curpa of jose augustin rodriguez is worde traslada for spain, at where the burial will take lugar in seno familiar. first cu this coleganan y conocirnan will have oportunidad for dispidi of the defunto. paz at his restonan.

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Any help with better translation of these would help a lot! Thanks!
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« Reply #441 on: May 22, 2007, 06:19:37 PM »

http://www.amigoe.com/english/

UN condemn locking up of juvenile prisoners amongst adults

WILLEMSTAD/GENEVA – The United Nations’ Committee against Tortures in Geneva criticized the locking up of juvenile prisoners amongst adults, the custody that lasts much too long, and due to this, the huge number of prisoners that are not sentenced in the Antilles and Aruba. They also criticized the sexual abuse and other violence against prisoners that is taking place in Aruba.

The UN Committee against Torture reports this after her 38th meeting, where reporting of 7 countries were considered. Other than in the Netherlands, the situation in Denmark, Luxembourg, Italy, Ukraine, Japan, and Poland was also investigated. Basic principle of this is the Convention against Tortures from 1984 that was signed by a total of 144 countries.

When discussing the subject the Netherlands, the committee that falls under the High Commissioner of the UN paid most attention to the situation of the juvenile prisoners in the Antillean and Aruban prison. The committee condemns the locking up of juvenile prisoners among adults. The committee says that this has to end, with the biggest immediacy. As already known, there is no special juvenile prison in the Antilles or in Aruba. In some cases, juvenile delinquents are placed with the Foba (Forensic Observation and Counseling department) or the not-confined GOG (Government’s Reformatory), but that is not always possible. When placing juvenile delinquents in the Bon Futuro-prison, their age is definitely being considered and they are not placed amongst the heaviest felons. According to the committee, as part of the rehabilitation, the Antilles lacks an educational reformation program for the punished juvenile in order to improve their return in the society. Schooling and training must be part of that.

ARUBA
The committee also paid attention to the situation in Aruba, where sexual- and other violence is taking place against prisoners in the KIA. This is supposedly done by police officers and prison guards and/or they have no control over this. The committee wants the Netherlands to take measures to stop this.
The committee is very concerned about the fact that between 2005 and 2007, a big number of assaults were reported and that just a few, 2 of he 49, were taken to court. But both cases were not sentenced due to c\lack of evidence. The reportage has nothing to do with the visit of the CPT- and the UN committee that investigates torture and violation of human rights in the prisons of the Antilles and Aruba, which is planned for the end of this month. Justice-minister David Dick already indicated that he does not rule out hard negative opinion considering the situation in the Curacao and St. Maarten prisons. A few human rights organizations have pointed out the unbearable situation to the Antillean government.

THE NETHERLANDS
The UN-committee also criticized the accelerated procedures with the Immigration law that was introduced in the Netherlands in 2000. This law makes it very difficult for an asylum seeker to substantiate his/her petition. They do not get enough time to argue their case. The committee is also not happy with the long time that asylum seekers are locked up in the Netherlands.


Straight from the UN website!

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With regard to Aruba and in the Netherlands (Antilles), the Committee expressed its concern at the excessive length of pre-trial detention and the high number of non-convicted detainees. With specific regard to the Netherlands (Antilles), measures should be taken to urgently ensure that juveniles were separated from adult offenders; that educational and training programmes to help the social reintegration of juveniles were provided; and that prompt action to implement a new classification of inmates and allocation of cells was undertaken. Concerned at the Netherlands' indication that information related to sexual abuse or assault in the Aruban prison rarely reached the prison board, and that victims were not likely to lodge complaints for privacy concerns, the Committee recommended that the Netherlands put in place specific mechanisms to receive complaints of sexual abuse that would ensure the privacy of victims and protect both victims and witnesses against ill-treatment or intimidation as a consequence of the complaint. The Committee was also concerned at the number of reports of assaults committed by Aruban law enforcement officials and that, as reported by the State party, of the 49 cases lodged at the Internal Investigations Bureau between 2005 and 2007, only 2 had been dealt with in court, and those had not led to a conviction due to insufficient evidence. The Netherlands should take all appropriate measures to send a clear and unambiguous message to the Police Force and to prison staff that torture, violence and ill-treatment were unacceptable.
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« Reply #442 on: May 23, 2007, 12:32:12 AM »

sandy leiva posted this translation of an article klaas picked up from 2o4a. Tuesday, 05/22/2007 on the LCD. The initial story about this incident is several posts above this.

sandy summarized within klaas' post, so I am color coding it for clarity.
 
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http://www.24ora.com/content/view/693/8/
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Busqueda pa Fugitivo biba na Boegoeroei
Tuesday, 22 May 2007


Looking for fugitive from Boegoeroei, tuesday, May 22 07

Den prensa a sali e noticia di busqueda y detencion di Yeferson Martinez Ruiz . Cuerpo policial a publica cu su adres ta Tanki Leendert 145-E.

News states looking for detension of Jefferson Martinez Ruiz of Tanki Leendart, I45E.


Esaki ta incorrecto. Cuerpo policial ta pidi disculpa pa e error y inconveniencia y kier duna e adres correcto di e sospechoso cu ta Boegoeroei 67.

However police offficial believe this is incorrect, and are sorr for the inconvienience inadvertantly caused by the mistaken and incorrectly published address of the suspect who resides at Boegoeroei 67.

E sospechoso ta cana rond liber ainda y ta ser busca cu urgencia relaciona cu crimennan bastante pisa y ta ser considera peligroso.

The suspect is at large and is considered armed and dangerous.

Por fabor pidi publico pa no purba detene nan mes sino yama central di Polis mesora cu wak e.

Call polis if you have any info . Do not try to stop this isndividual.
best i can do s l.


I'm going to add a bit to this in my next post.
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« Reply #443 on: May 23, 2007, 12:39:09 AM »

Diario edition 05/19/2007 had the story about "Chipo" and "Schuins" (several posts above this one, this page). The post immediately above this one corrects the address of one of the suspects, who is only 16.

sandy and klaas also had this exchange:

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SANDY - THANK YOU!

If you click on the link there is a bit more information. Looks like this kid is only 16.


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Yes the continued artical says he is 16. I looked back to Diarios paper daay before and it says his accomplice is also young.. Roumer is the murdered someone a nurse in the hospital. no other info available.


Thanks klaas and sandy!
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« Reply #444 on: May 23, 2007, 09:04:53 AM »

http://www.amigoe.com/english/ 05/23/2007:

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Police: The number of fatal traffic accidents has to drop  

Already eleven fatalities in traffic in 2007, and that is unacceptable for the police.


ORANJESTAD – Police Corps Aruba ( KPA ) is very concerned about the 11 persons that died in traffic this year, and we are only in the fifth month.  In the entire year of 2006, the number of persons that died in traffic was 14.    The reasons for the accidents were in almost all the cases irresponsible driving.  This has to change, because if it continues, the figures of 2007 will be much higher.  

Driving back the number of fatal traffic accidents is one of the priorities of the corps.  The most important solution is to change the driving behavior.  One way to do this is to give a lot of information.   Joining other organizations in this will be of great advantage.  The number of collisions in San Nicolas, Noord, and Santa Cruz dropped slightly in 2006; from 6320 in 2005 to 6246 in 2006.  This however increased in Oranjestad with more than 200.  There were 7 fatal traffic accidents in Oranjestad.  Of the 14 deadly traffic accidents, 11 took place during the night.  Compared with 2005, the number of traffic violations didn’t increase in 2006.  As a matter of fact, it dropped drastically from 8808 to 7588.    

Hospital figures show that 55 percent of the beds in the surgery ward are occupied by road victims.   Per day, an average of five traffic accident victims is treated on the intensive care.  The hospital can re-claim only 25 percent from the patients’ insurance companies.   The rest cannot be re-claims, because the victim is not insured or the policy does not cover the accident.  

Another priority of the KPA is tackling the local drug dealings and sale.  It causes inconvenience and criminality.  Compared to 2006, the police have confiscated almost 600 cocaine and 50 kilo heroine versus 109 and 12 in 2006.    

The superintendent is extremely pleased with the solution percentage of the number of deadly criminal offences.  7 Persons were violently killed and the police have solved all the cases in 2006.  The number of offences has increased.  This is to be blamed on the higher number of robberies (an average of 12 per day).  The number of stolen cars (2 every day) remained the same as in 2005.


Hummmm. Only 7 persons violently killed in 2006?
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« Reply #445 on: May 25, 2007, 03:56:29 PM »

Posted by Rob on the LCD 05/25/2007:

 
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On the previous page there were some comments about keeping the case open and denying Beth and Dave the docs.

Well, Max DeVries has now been missing for three years and Yvonne has no paper work at all.

I have been speaking to Travis Makings, the son of Gary Makings and he is heart broken about his dad. He wants answers and there are none from Aruba.. he doesn't seem to have any paper work either.

Just because a case is closed does not mean anyone is getting any paper work from Aruba. It might be a law, or a statue, but when was the last time they followed the law?

This will go on for years to come in my humble opinion.
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« Reply #446 on: May 26, 2007, 12:11:13 PM »

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http://www.amigoe.com/english/ 05/23/2007:

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Police: The number of fatal traffic accidents has to drop  

Already eleven fatalities in traffic in 2007, and that is unacceptable for the police.


ORANJESTAD – Police Corps Aruba ( KPA ) is very concerned about the 11 persons that died in traffic this year, and we are only in the fifth month.  In the entire year of 2006, the number of persons that died in traffic was 14.    The reasons for the accidents were in almost all the cases irresponsible driving.  This has to change, because if it continues, the figures of 2007 will be much higher.  

Driving back the number of fatal traffic accidents is one of the priorities of the corps.  The most important solution is to change the driving behavior.  One way to do this is to give a lot of information.   Joining other organizations in this will be of great advantage.  The number of collisions in San Nicolas, Noord, and Santa Cruz dropped slightly in 2006; from 6320 in 2005 to 6246 in 2006.  This however increased in Oranjestad with more than 200.  There were 7 fatal traffic accidents in Oranjestad.  Of the 14 deadly traffic accidents, 11 took place during the night.  Compared with 2005, the number of traffic violations didn’t increase in 2006.  As a matter of fact, it dropped drastically from 8808 to 7588.    

Hospital figures show that 55 percent of the beds in the surgery ward are occupied by road victims.   Per day, an average of five traffic accident victims is treated on the intensive care.  The hospital can re-claim only 25 percent from the patients’ insurance companies.   The rest cannot be re-claims, because the victim is not insured or the policy does not cover the accident.  

Another priority of the KPA is tackling the local drug dealings and sale.  It causes inconvenience and criminality.  Compared to 2006, the police have confiscated almost 600 cocaine and 50 kilo heroine versus 109 and 12 in 2006.    

The superintendent is extremely pleased with the solution percentage of the number of deadly criminal offences.  7 Persons were violently killed and the police have solved all the cases in 2006.  The number of offences has increased.  This is to be blamed on the higher number of robberies (an average of 12 per day).  The number of stolen cars (2 every day) remained the same as in 2005.


Hummmm. Only 7 persons violently killed in 2006?




Remember when the beheading happened just at the time Natalee disappeared?  The police were asked about that and I do recall one of them saying something like, oh, that doesn't count as it is "just" a domestic disturbance!

Like you, I wonder about only 7.  Guess some of those bodies that wash ashore are just considered accidental or whatever.  Suicide seems to be a very popular label for unexplained deaths as well.

Very different counting system perhaps but we do take our accounting straight from the newspapers so it would tend to be low from some not receiving coverage considering the high number of crimes to be covered daily in addition to the constant stream of automobile mishaps.

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« Reply #447 on: May 26, 2007, 05:51:23 PM »

As for the total number of crimes in the post above - I have about figured that the polis don't even make a report on many of them, especially thefts from tourists and the like. They know they will never solve them (or even attempt to do so).

And as for murders - who knows what may or may not "count" -- only native Arubians? Probably not domestic ...
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« Reply #448 on: May 26, 2007, 06:09:25 PM »

http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/5/26/

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CHOLLER A ATACA CAHERA CU BATE DI BASEBALL
 
ORANJESTAD (AAN): Diahuebs atardi, Central di Polis a dirigi patruya encarga cu San Nicolas na un Supermarket den Dr. Schaepmanstraat relaciona cu un choler fastioso.

   Patruya na yegada, agentenan a papia cu e homber naci na China di inicialnan L.C.. Segun declaracion di L.C. cu un conocido choler cu tin 19 aña a drenta den e establecimento y usa un bate cu cual el a menaza cahera pa dune 5 Florin.

   E choler despues di e acto aki a bay cu e bate y tambe cu e 5 Florin. Polis a busca e choler pero nan no a logra di localize.

   Casi dos ora despues polis a ricibi informe cu na Valero Essoville tin un choller di inicialnan F.G. ta circula cu un bate. Ora cu polis a presenta e choler a sconde e bate bao di un vehiculo y a core bay.

   Polis a confisca e bate y pa seguridad a deposita esaki na warda.  Pa loke ta e choler F.G. un ora pa otro polis lo gare y trece base cu ta warda polis pa atende riba su fechorianan.


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oranjestad (aan): diahuebs nightfall, central of police owing to dirigi patrol encarga cu san nicolas at one supermarket in dr. schaepmanstraat relaciona cu one choler fastioso.

patrol at arrival, agentenan owing to talk cu he naci at china of inicialnan l.c.. according declaracion of l.c. cu one conocido choler cu have 19 year owing to enter in the establecimento y using one bate cu cual past owing to menaza cahera for dune 5 guilder.

the choler after of the acto here owing to bay cu the bate y also cu the 5 guilder. police owing to busca the choler but they not owing to succeed of localize.

casi two hour after police owing to ricibi informe cu at valero essoville have one choller of inicialnan f.g. is circula cu one bate. hour cu police owing to present the choler owing to sconde the bate bao of one vehiculo y owing to core bay.

police owing to confisca the bate y for seguridad owing to deposita this at keep. for thing is the choler f.g. one hour for another police will gare y trece base cu is keep police for atende on his fechorianan.

Another baseball bat episode ...

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Auto a dal homber di edad y desaparece
 
ORANJESTAD(AAN)-- Ayera anochi mas o menos 8.30 or na Palm Beach na altura di RBTT Bank un auto a dal un persona di edad avanza cu tabata cruza caya pa bay su cas den vecindario, y a sigui core.

E homber a keda tira riba caya cu bastante golpi na cabez, mientras cu ta ser busca e “malhechor” cu a baha na awa despues di e impacto.

E victima a wordo transporta pa hospital den un situacion basta grave di e golpinan ricibi.

Na Bubali 115 A tambe ladron(nan) a drenta un cas, horta y maltrata e señora di cas severamente. Bisiñanan cu a tende grito di auxilio a pone autoridadnan na altura di e sucedido repudiable aki.


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oranjestad(aan)-- yesterday night more or less 8.30 or at palm beach at height of rbtt bank one car owing to strike one person of edad avanza cu was cruza caya for bay his cas in vecindario, y owing to follow core.

he owing to stay throw on caya cu enough golpi at cabez, while cu is being busca the “malhechor” cu owing to descend at water {??} after of the impacto.

the victima owing to wordo transporta for hospital in one situation enough important of the golpinan ricibi.

at bubali 115 owing to also ladron(nan) owing to enter one cas, steal y maltrata the madam of cas severamente. bisiñanan cu owing to hear cry of help owing to place autoridadnan at height of the sucedido repudiable here. {??}
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« Reply #449 on: May 26, 2007, 06:34:44 PM »

klaas posted this on the LCD 05/26/2007; more about the incident at Bubali 115 (2nd article, last paragraph above).

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/735/8/

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Ladronan ta agredi dama formalmente
Saturday, 26 May 2007

Diabierna anochi na Bubali 115-A bisiñanan ta tende grito di nan bisiña. Ta mustra cu ladronan a bay pa horta den e cas y topa cu e señora Y.T cu tawata den e cas y nan a bati e señora. A bin topa e señora bow di sanger y na gritamento

E auto cu por mira tawata den e entrada di e cas. No ta confirma si despues di e sucedido e bisiñanan mes a pone e senora warda den e auto pa asistencia di polis y ambulance. RIba e imagen por mira con paramedico y miebro di visibility team ta sacando e senora for di e auto. E señora tawata grita di dolor.

Polis a cuminsa nan investigacion di immediato buscando rond di e cas si por encontra algo cu por yudanan na haña e antisocialnan. A pidi pa recherche na warda tambe presenta na e cas.

Aki por mira con e fotografo di 24ora.com a logra capta un shot di e sanger cu tawatatin riba vloer dilanti di e cas.


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ladronan is agredi lady formalmente
saturday, 26 may 2007
diabierna night at bubali 115-a bisiñanan is hear cry of they neighbour. is show cu ladronan owing to bay for steal in the cas y come across cu the madam y.t cu tawata in the cas y they owing to beat the madam. owing to come come across the madam bow of blood y at gritamento the car cu can see tawata in the entrance of the cas. do not confirma if after of the sucedido the bisiñanan self owing to place the senora keep in the car for asistencia of police y ambulance. on the imagen can see con paramedico y miebro of visibility team is sacando the senora for of the car. the madam tawata bark of dolor. police owing to cuminsa they investigacion of immediato buscando rond of the cas if can encontra algo cu can yudanan at find the antisocialnan. owing to ask for recherche at keep also present at the cas. here can see con the fotografo of 24ora.com owing to succeed capta one shot of the blood cu tawatatin on vloer fast of the cas.


Not sure but it kindof sounds like she was beat up? - klaas
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« Reply #450 on: May 28, 2007, 12:45:55 PM »

http://www.amigoe.com/english/  05/26/2007 (although I'm pretty sure I checked Amigoe Saturday and didn't see this ... )

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Criminal investigation on Namdar-letter  

ORANJESTAD – The exploratory investigation on the letter of Effy Namdar that started around April 10th, is recently wrapped up.   The findings of this investigation provoke a criminal investigation on the matter, announced the Public Prosecutor.  

 This letter was given publicity through Mike William on March 26th.  The letter was not dated, but according to the contents it must have been from before 2004.  In this letter, the diamond dealer from New York , Effi Namdar offers money in exchange for the realization of a shopping mall near the cruise terminal, especially for jewelers.  Namdar writes tht if his company can be granted the land before September 2004, he can guarantee that the completion will be before November 2005.  That would conveniently coincide with the ‘the re-election of your party’; but no names of a party is mentioned.  

The company links these conditions with the offer to deposit 500.000 florins in the party’s cashbox before the elections and another 500.000 florins ‘in the course of a few years’.  The letter made publicity when Royal Caribbean Cruise Lines (RCCL) signed a declaration of intend with Aruba Ports Authority ( APA ) for the development of the harbour area of Oranjestad.  Namdar is supposedly one of the partners of RCCL in the realization of this project.  The question about which political party the letter was addressed to and what the date of the letter is, caused a lot of discussions.  In a letter to the editor of Prime Minister Nelson Oduber in the Amigoe of last Tuesday is stated: “From the beginning I already indicated that our government has nothing to do with Namdar; that we have never asked him for any money for any project; and that according to our investigation, the letter in question is from before our time in office.”  

The OM indicates that it has a few suspects in mind.  But in the interest of the criminal investigation, the OM won’t reveal the identity of these suspects in this stadium.  The investigation focuses on punishable facts, varying from defamation to bribery and also forgery.   If the interest and the position of the criminal investigation allow it, the OM will give more information.
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« Reply #451 on: June 01, 2007, 09:31:04 AM »

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Todays diario also had article that said the thiefs have look outs at the polis stations and take advantage of committing crimes when polis force is low in numbers. Sound somehat like an inside job.
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« Reply #452 on: June 01, 2007, 11:16:37 AM »

This was posted by Rob on the LCD 06/01/2007:

 
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http://www.caribbeannetnews.com/news-1777--16-16--.html

Commentary: Another whitewash, or is it? And why ignore Curacao?
Published on Friday, June 1, 2007
By Dan McGee

Natalee Holloway. It's a name that hangs like a cloud over the island of Aruba. Her disappearance two years ago has given both the island and its Ministry of Justice a black mark.

Finally, after being on the sidelines for most of the past year-and-a-half, authorities from the Netherlands have acted.

This, of course, raises the question of just why it took them so long to discharge their judicial obligations with respect to an island that is listed as part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands. Considering the glare of publicity given to the initial investigation by the island's police, as well as their lack of results and possible questionable procedures, the homeland authorities had to know what was happening. Especially since units of the Dutch Air Force were sent there in what became a show of noise without results.

A skeptic might ask if the current effort is only a political move or a serious initiative for solving this crime. One possible positive aspect might be the involvement of the Aruban police charged with combating drugs on the island. But that still means a section of a department that didn't distinguish itself in the first place is again being involved.

Another question is just why the prosecutor is evidently being promoted and sent back to the Netherlands. This is the same person whose efforts at arresting then quickly releasing suspects was named a "catch-and-release program," by TV host Nancy Grace.

Now that these investigators are already on Aruba, why stop there?

On the island of Curacao there is another case that demands their attention. Like the Holloway case, this one involved the disappearance of another American woman. But, in the case of Amy Lynn Bradley, it's known that she survived. Ms Bradley was kidnapped in March 1998 as the cruise liner she and her family were vacationing on docked at the island. Some passengers reported last seeing her with two men holding on to her as they walked along a deck. Minutes later, both men were seen again without Ms Bradley.

Apparently, there are situations where unruly passengers, and maybe misbehaving crewmembers are removed from ships. Still it's a wonder that a woman, dressed only in a pair of shorts and a top, could have been taken off a ship without either being challenged or really noticed. Especially since a liner doesn't arrive at a dock without a crew there to receive it. I'll let the readers arrive at their own conclusions about this situation.

Things get even more curious in the months that followed. Shortly afterward the kidnapping, Mr Bradley and his son headed a search party that returned to the island. Upon his arrival the Chief of the Harbour Police gave Mr Bradley a tour of the island. Bradley allowed that the tour didn't inspire confidence in this effort. Later he was told that the Chief made an interesting remark to members of the search party. In effect he told them the family should go ahead and search for her and get it out of their system, as they would never find their daughter.

At first glance, this might be a comment by a man that knew the island and what the family was up against. Over the next 11 months, other events transpired to give some doubt about just what this comment implied. That fall, two Canadians encountered Ms Bradley as she was being walked along a beach. After hearing reports about her, and remembering the tattoos she had, they reported this to the family. Almost a year later, a US Navy petty officer, visiting a brothel located close to the harbor and off-limits to servicemen, met Ms Bradley. She identified herself to him and asked for his help. Unfortunately he chose not to report the incident for another two years.

When the family contacted authorities on the island, Mr Bradley said they were told, "...we have no illegal prostitutes here." By that time the brothel didn't exist, as it had been demolished after being damaged by a fire. This means that, for at least most of a year, Ms Bradley was moved around the island in broad daylight as well as enslaved in a brothel right under the nose of the harbour police. Yet during all this time both the harbour and island police failed to find her, even they both knew about her kidnapping.

Another interesting fact is that apparently no one has found or identified the brothel owner. In the Bradley case, questions need to be asked, as three offences might be involved. This writer is certain that a civilized country like the Netherlands has sanctions against kidnapping. While there is a law in the Netherlands Antilles against forcing someone into prostitution, a Caribbean women's rights site explained it's never enforced on the islands.

Finally, since it is the 200th anniversary of the ending of the trans-Atlantic slave trace, there is a chance these laws are still on the books in the Netherlands. And this offence, if still enforceable, just might be a capital crime. Both the Bradley and Holloway cases raise many questions. Another, for Aruba, is if any police or judicial officials will ever be disciplined if it's found they mishandled this case. On Curacao, will officials, and another individual, ever face justice or discipline over the Bradley case?

Both cases demand answers from the authorities based in the Netherlands, who have the judicial obligation in the islands. If these questions aren't answered, it would appear both cases will end in a whitewash and the Dutch justice system will receive a well-deserved black mark on its record. One can only guess about the repercussions to the tourist industry in these islands.
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« Reply #453 on: June 09, 2007, 12:16:25 PM »

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Alarma bati na Macuarima!
PROBLEMA DI GANG A RESULTA DEN TIRAMENTO DI DOS HOBEN

 
ORANJESTAD (AAN): Mira con leu conflicto entre Gang di Hobennan ta bay! Diabierna merdia, esaki a culmina den tiramento den un area, apenas 450 meter pariba di Centro di Husticia na Santa Cruz. Tur cos a cuminza Diabierna merdia alrededor di 1:30’or, cu un Toyota Starlet color oranje a yega na altura di un adres na Macuarima, y a baha algun persona abao. Despues di esey, e Starlet a move bay.

Un rato despues, un otro vehiculo, esta un Volkswagen Golf a yega cerca, den cual tin 4 persona.
Dos di nan tabatin arma di candela den man, y asina a cuminza los diferente tiro riba e hendenan cu tin custumber di sinta na banda di caminda ey.


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alarma beat at macuarima!
problem of gang owing to resulta in tiramento of two young


oranjestad (aan): see con far conflicto among gang of hobennan is bay! diabierna afternoon, this owing to culmina in tiramento in one area, barely 450 metre east of centro of husticia at santa cruz. all cos owing to cuminza diabierna afternoon alrededor of 1:30’or, cu one toyota starlet color oranje owing to arrive at height of one adres at macuarima, y owing to descend some person abao. after of esey, the starlet owing to actuate bay. one rato after, one another vehiculo, esta one volkswagen golf owing to arrive close, in cual have 4 person.

two of they had arm of candela in hand, y so owing to cuminza los various tiro on the hendenan cu have custumber of sit at near of caminda ey.

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« Reply #454 on: June 11, 2007, 10:08:38 PM »

SunnyinTX posted this on the LCD 06/11/2007. Just some interesting comments from recent Aruba tourists.

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met some folks (family of 4....mom and dad in their early 40's, 2 daughters 13 and 14) this past weekend who went to Aruba...HATED every minute of it.....said they were offered drugs nearly everyplace they went, males were hitting on the wife and their 2 teen age girls....husband even walked the girls to the restrooms, said the locals drove like they were nuts..the beaches were beautiful...but no more beautiful that many other caribbbean islands naming St. Kitts and Nevis...hated the desert part of the island....but more importantly they felt the locals were only friendly if you were spending $$$$'s..first and last trip for this family
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« Reply #455 on: June 12, 2007, 08:32:39 AM »

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PRESO RAMON ANGEL RODRIQUEZ A FAYECE
Autopsia lo tin di determina su morto

 
ORANJESTAD (AAN): Riba Dialuna, famia y tambe autoridad concerni a worde notifica cu e preso Ramon Rodriguez cu a worde interna pa problema cu curazon a fayece inesperadamente. Ramon a worde condena pa ta den poder di arma di candela, el a comete destruction y a asesina e homber Elvis Savalla. Mas bien e tabata un caso pasional cu a hinca Ramon den problema serio pa colmo un supuesto amigo a preste dune un arma di candela.

Huez a condena Ramon 12 aña di prison, pero el a apela e caso cu porcierto tin di tuma lugar dialuna den corte comun (Hof). Pero mientras tanto Ramon a fayece den Dr. Horacio Oduber Hospital direpiente.

Mientras tabata tin otro informe cu durante Ramon ta sinta su condena den KIA ,el a cuminsa haya sintomanan di problema di curazon. Segun informe pa esnan cu conoce cu nunca a duna di conoce di tin problema, examen medico a determina esaki y tramitenan a cuminsa worde haci pa Ramon tin di ricibi tratamento medico.

A yega asina leu cu a logra pa Ramon worde transporta pa Hulanda y lo keda interna den hospital cu ta atende detenidonan. Fin di siman Ramon tabata e intencion acompaña pa guardianan di KIA e lo aborda avion di KLM rumbo pa Hulnda pa e ricibi e tratamento necesario, pero tur esfuerso cu a worde haci pa logra esaki a worde cancela ya cu direpiente a drenta informe cu Ramon a fayece.

Fiscal a laga confisca e curpa di Ramon pa practica autopsia y determina causa di su morto. Locual ta su amigo Dichi Lacle cu tambe ta sera debi di a facilita segun e investigacion pa cual tambe el a worde condena si lo tin di presenta den corte coumnu ya cu elo a apela e sentencia.

Den su caso dia e a presenta den corte a tume masha na malo di a facilita e arma na Ramon sea conciente of inconciente cu e resultado fatal. DIARIO ta extende palabranan di profundo condolencia na famia di fayecido y Ramon sosega den tur tranquilidad.


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preso ramon angel rodriquez owing to fayece
autopsia will have of determina his dead


oranjestad (aan): on monday, family y also autoridad concerni owing to worde notifica cu the preso ramon rodriguez cu owing to worde interna for problem cu curazon owing to fayece unexpectedly. ramon owing to worde condena for is in power of arm of candela, past owing to comete destruction y owing to asesina he elvis savalla. more bien the was one caso pasional cu owing to hinca ramon in problem earnest for colmo one supuesto amigo owing to preste dune one arm of candela.

huez owing to condena ramon 12 year of jail, but past owing to apela the caso cu porcierto have of take lugar monday in corte comun (hof). but all the time ramon owing to fayece in dr. horacio oduber hospital all of a sudden.

while was have another informe cu during ramon is sit his condena in kia come across,el owing to cuminsa achieve sintomanan of problem of curazon. according informe for esnan cu conoce cu never owing to give of conoce of have problem, examen medico owing to determina this y tramitenan owing to cuminsa worde haci for ramon have of ricibi tratamento medico.

owing to arrive so far cu owing to succeed for ramon worde transporta for the netherlands y will stay interna in hospital cu is atende detenidonan. end of week ramon was the intencion acompaña for guardianan of kia the will aborda plane of klm direction for hulnda for her ricibi the tratamento necesario, but all attempt cu owing to worde haci for succeed this owing to worde cancela already cu all of a sudden owing to enter informe cu ramon owing to fayece.

fiscal owing to let confisca the curpa of ramon for practica autopsia y determina cause of his dead. locual is his amigo dichi lacle cu also is close debi of owing to facilita according the investigacion for cual also past owing to worde condena if will have of present in corte coumnu already cu elo owing to apela the sentencia.

in his caso day the owing to present in corte owing to tume very at bad of owing to facilita the arm at ramon as conciente or inconciente cu the result fateful. daily paper is extende words of deep condolencia at family of fayecido y ramon sosega in all tranquilidad.

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Apparently an inmate at KIA, Ramon Angel Rodriguez, died unexpectedly at the hospital. Also apparently, there were plans to send him to Holland for treatment. But all this seems to have erupted just prior to or during a court appeal.  He seems to have been in prison for killing Elvis Savalla with a firearm.

Understand that your guess is as good as mine (above) as to what happened here.
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« Reply #456 on: June 12, 2007, 09:10:42 AM »

Well ... the fun never stops today.

http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/6/12/

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MASHA TARDANZA PA HAYA DOCTER NA HOTEL PA
CONSTATA MORTO DI UN BISHITANTE

 
ORANJESTAD.(AAN): Ayera mainta esnan di hotel y tambe famia di un turista a pasa den situacion penoso ora cu un bishitante no ta duna señal di bida. Tabata momentonan di angustia y hopi tristo cu casi of mas cu dos ora no por a localiza un docter pa bay na e hotel y examina un huesped cu aparentemente lo a muri, manera e informe suministra ta indica ..

A yama polis 100 a purba 911 asina keda pa basta rato pa un docter por presenta mientras e curpa aparentemente tabata sin bida keto bay y cu famia y esnan di hotel tabata spera desesperadamente yegada di dokter .

Hasta, segun informe, lo a yama funeraria pa presenta ya cu e turista lo ta morto. Pero manera ley ta describi ta un docter tin di constata morto Finalmente despues di basta ora un docter lo a blo y cu por fin despues di a examina e turista a declara cu e ta morto.

Un funeraria lo a presenta y a transporta e curpa pa mortuario. No ta conoci kico lo a ocasiona morto di e bishitante tampoco ta conoci si autopsia lo wordo practica aki mes of na Merca.

Un cos ta sigur y esey ta cu e famia lo no ta nada contento cu e servicio relaciona cu e tardanza di un docter, mas ainda como cu nos ta propaganda cu servicio ta excelente Culpa no por wordo tira ni riba esnan di hotel ya cu nan a hasi tur na esfuerzo di duna yudanza, di a yama polis 100 , fuera 911 pa solicita un docter cu no tabata tin fin di yega y ademas a yama funeraria pa bin busca e morto debi cu dokter no tin fin pa presenta Locual cu autoridad lo tin cu bay tene cuenta cune no solamente den e caso misterioso di e turista aki, pa nan ta bon documenta pa asina evita pa ora e curpa yega su destino no wordo constata cu autopsia ta indica otro cu esun di expertonan locual.

Esaki pasobra aparentemente lo tabata tin un of mas caso den pasado cu a keda constata otro resultado durante autopsia. Tin caso tambe cu autopsia no a wordo realiza mes riba curpa di victima haya morto. Aparentemente tin un caso tambe cu a tuma lugar den principio di e aña akin a unda lo a reporta cu riba laman un homber lo a muri.

E curpa sin bida a wordo entrega na autoridad local y mientras e dos compañeronan a baha bay. A resulta despues cu e curpa sin bida lo a wordo strangula segun determinacion di autopsia na su home town.

Awor autoridad local lo ta man na cabez pa motibo cu aparentemente nan no tin mucha informe di e dos otro hombernan. cu tabata den compania di e victima.

Mientras tambe segun informe e caso di un homber haya morto y su sentencia aparentemente lo tabata skirbi riba muraya Parce cu lo a constata cu lo ta trata di un caso di suicidio pero lo ta hole den direccion di un crimen.

E dos ultimo casonan aki dificilmente nos por a haya informe di dje ya cu locual ta, si a hasi autopsia no ta divulga e resultado.

Pero lo profundiza den e dos casonan aki pa logra haya claridad si lo por ta trata di crimen cu lo a tuma lugar na un manera profesional


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very tardanza for achieve docter at hotel
for constata dead of one bishitante


oranjestad.(aan): yesterday morning esnan of hotel y also family of one tourist owing to happen in situation penoso hour cu one bishitante do not give sign of life. was momentonan of angustia y much tristo cu casi or more cu two hour not can owing to localiza one docter for bay at the hotel y examina one huesped cu apparently will owing to die, as the informe suministra is indica come across..

owing to calling police 100 owing to try 911 so stay for enough rato for one docter can present while the curpa apparently was without life keto bay y cu family y esnan of hotel was wait for desesperadamente arrival of doctor come across.

even, according informe, will owing to calling funeraria for present already cu the tourist will is dead. but as ley is describi is one docter have of constata dead finalmente after of enough hour one docter will owing to blo y cu can end after of owing to examina the tourist owing to declara cu the is dead.

one funeraria will owing to present y owing to transporta the curpa for mortuario. do not conoci kico will owing to ocasiona dead of the bishitante niether is conoci if autopsia will wordo practica here self or at merca.

anything is assure y esey is cu the family will do not nothing contento cu the servicio relaciona cu the tardanza of one docter, more still because; cu we is propaganda cu servicio is excelente culpa not can wordo throw neither on esnan of hotel already cu they owing to make all at esfuerzo of give yudanza, of owing to calling police 100 come across, fuera 911 for solicita one docter cu not was have end of arrive y besides owing to calling funeraria for come busca the dead debi cu doctor not have end for present locual cu autoridad will have cu bay as cuenta cune not only in the caso misterioso of the tourist here, for they're good documenta for so evita for hour the curpa arrive his destiny not wordo constata cu autopsia is indica another cu esun of expertonan locual.

this because apparently will was have one or more caso in pasado cu owing to stay constata another result during autopsia. have caso also cu autopsia not owing to wordo realiza self on curpa of victima achieve dead. apparently have one caso also cu did take lugar in principio of the year akin owing to where will owing to reporta cu on sea one man will owing to die.

the curpa without life owing to wordo entrega at autoridad local y while the two compañeronan owing to descend bay. owing to resulta after cu the curpa without life will owing to wordo strangula according determinacion of autopsia at his home town.

now autoridad local will is hand at cabez for motibo cu apparently they not have child informe of the two another hombernan. cu was in compania of the victima.

while also according informe the caso of one man achieve dead y his sentencia apparently will was write on wall seems cu will owing to constata cu will is deal of one caso of suicidio but will is smell in direccion of one crimen.

the two ultimo casonan here dificilmente we can owing to achieve informe of dje already cu locual is, if owing to make autopsia do not divulga the result.

but will profundiza in the two casonan here for succeed achieve claridad if will can is deal of crimen cu will did take lugar at one as profesional

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Notice that among other things, this references the man who died on ship, was deemed "natural causes" by the Aruba autopsy, and found to be strangled by the subsequent autopsy in his home town.

I believe this story is the one we saw yesterday about the tourist who died at the Mill Resort. If that's the case, it's an American tourist.

This story seems to be saying that there was a long delay in getting a doctor to the scene. Whether or not a timely response would have made a difference is likely to be a big issue. Of course that kind of determination might be made at an autopsy, and that is where the story starts talking about troublesome Aruba autopsies.

Would love to get this family's name.
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« Reply #457 on: June 12, 2007, 10:46:31 AM »

I'm not sure whether this is posted somewhere here.

Benny and Freddy Panneflek - missing since Saturday April 8th, 2006

Benny and Freddy Panneflek, Aruban brothers, left on a fishing trip and were supposed to return Saturday April 8th 2006 at 5 pm.

Boat: 18' boston whaler type. With 150 HP engine.

http://www.kparuba.com/missing.html#
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http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/6/13/

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AUTORIDAD NO TA REALIZA AUTOPSIA ARIBA RESTONAN MORTAL
Suicidio y morto natural ta crimen?
 
*Causanan real di morto no ta worde estableci
*Reputacion di Aruba ariba tereno justicia ta sigui baha


ORANJESTAD (AAN) — Na mayoria di pais na mundo, ora topa cu un persona morto, ta laga haci autopsia pa determina kico tabata causa di morto. Na Aruba, ora topa cu restonan mortal ta atribui nan na loke hende bisa of ta pensa. DIARIO a realiza un investigacion cu un resultado espantoso. No tin prueba palpabel cu por papia di siucidio den varios caso ni duna seguranza cu ta morto natural. Autoridad no ta haya necesario pa realiza investigacion definitivo den forma di autopsia, cu ta e unico manera pa establece con un persona a fayece. Aruba por haya su mes den mas problema! Trinidad ta un pais cu ta puntra su mes ta con cosnan ta bay na Aruba y Merca por bira e proximo.

Antayera, casi na mes momento, dos persona a worde haya morto. Uno tabata un persona di edad cu tabata malo, cu a muri na Dakota. A yama dokter di warda, cu na mes momento a worde yama pa otro caso. Un turista a muri aparentemente den su soño. Morto natural a worde bisa den ambos caso.

Den e caso na Dakota tabata spera morto pero no a haci e trabao necesario pa asegura cu ningun hende no a dicidi pa morto bini promer cu su hora. Den e caso di e turista tabata trata di un persona di 54 aña, cu tabata sufri aparentemente di presion halto di sanger y tabata tuma medicamento. Informenan cu DIARIO a bay copila a base di e persona aki ta mustra cu e remedi cu e tabata tuma, segun esnan cu conoce remedi, por contribui na un paro di curazon. Pero tabata un paro di curazon?

Falta di señal exterior di violencia no ta descarta crimen

DIARIO a bay investiga ki causa di morto a duna. Ningun. Solamente cu tabata un morto natural, segun e docter, cu solamente por a yega na un diagnosis despues di morto, a base di e hecho cu no tabata tin señal di violencia. Esey tambe lo ta aparece ariba e documento oficial cu e turista, cu a bini Aruba como acompañante di un persona di 80 aña cu si ta bibo, lo bolbe su pais cune.

DIARIO a bay investiga si na Merca e documento aki ta suficiente pa autoridad Mericano. E contesta tabata un “no” pisa. Na Merca, si un persona worde haya morto, mester haci autopsia pa determina e causa di morto. ‘Morto natural” no ta bisa nada. Legalmente si acepta “morto natural” como causa di morto na Merca, caminda si ta para ariba specificacion, mester acepta cu no mester di e oficialidad di describi causa di morto, pasobra esey no ta worde bisa.

“No mester di señal exterior pa determina si tabata trata di crimen,” un experto a bisa DIARIO. Por ehempel, si duna un hende dos pildo envez di uno, ta autopsia so por revela cu loke ta parce morto natural no ta morto natural. Den pasado Aruba a haya su mes cu un caso, caminda a resulta cu morto natural no tabata morto natural.

Trinidad sorprendi cu a laga tripulantenan entrega capitan morto

DIARIO pa atende e asunto aki, a bay den historia y a busca mas investigacion di casonan recien, cu tabata parce dudoso. Aunke e casonan ta cera pa justicia, preguntanan ta keda habri. Den un caso, na Trinidad nan a bin descubri loke na Aruba a keda scondi. Un barco a yega Aruba. E tripulantenan, cu a bisa cu nan a haya problema ariba laman, a bisa cu nan capitan tabata morto a bordo.

Aparentemente ta personal di douane a yama dokter y despues a bay yama Fiscal. Mientrastanto e capitan a worde baha na tera. E lo tabata tin sanger ta sali for di su boca. A haci un investigacion. E tripulantenan a duna nan version.

Nan a sigui nan caminda y e capitan morto a worde manda Trinidad, caminda autoridad a haci su trabao. A haci autopsia y a resulta aparentemente, cu e capitan a worde estrangula! Aruba no por a entrega e tripulantenan, cu a sigui nan caminda, segun informantenan. E pregunta ta keda pakico no a haci autopsia. Informantenan a mustra cu no por culpa ni Polis ni ningun otro instancia. Si no ta familianan, den casonan cu ta misterioso, ta Fiscal mester dicidi cu ta haci autopsia pa dicidi di kico e hende a fayece.

Y na Aruba aparentemente, autopsia no ta worde haci. “Nan ta bisa cu ta gastamento di placa,” un informante a bisa.

Despues di muri, e victima a pone man na pecho?

Recientemente, un homber cu tabata traha na un hotel nobo, a worde haya morto den su vivienda. Un bala a traspaso su cabez. Na muraya tabata tin un mensahe: “ALTO llama a la policia Estoy muerto de un disparo No es broma” Agustin lo a skirbi na muraya promer cu el a muri.

Siucidio a worde determina. Tabata siucidio pasobra Agustin a manda yama Polis? El a worde forza pa skirbi e mensahe ariba muraya? DIARIO a sigui profundiza den e caso. Nan a hisa e colchon di cama pa busca e bala. No a haye. Unda e bala tabata? “Straño cu el a mata su mes y a pone su man ariba su pecho y e arma tambe tabata na un forma straña pa un hende cu a muri,” un informante a bisa DIARIO. Pero a busca e bala!

Autopsia mester a bisa kico a pasa. No mester a saca e restonan inmediatamente di e lugar y hasta no mester a laga tanto persona pasa. Pero tur esey a socede. Pasobra tabata siucidio. Autopsia atrobe no tabata necesario.

Casonan ta pasa pa olvido. No tin placa pa autopsia of no ta duna valor na autopsia, cu mester conclui con e persona a muri? Autopsia segun penalista experto, por a determina por ehempel, si e persona a worde droga of tabata tin otro rastronan interno pa demostra cu no tabata siucidio.

Un situacion straño ta desaroya. DIARIO ta sigui busca mas informacion. Mester evita cu paisnan ta bay exigi pa ora nan hendenan muri na Aruba nan haya sa exactamente kico a pasa. Siucidio y “morto natural” no ta suficiente. “Morto ta e aspecto mas natural di bida. E por ta pa motibo di violencia. Pero pakico e hende a muri, ta loke autoridad mester haya sa y no por sa si no haci autopsia,” e informante a asegura!



Online Pap translation:

autoridad do not realiza autopsia upstairs restonan deadly
suicidio y dead natural is crimen?
*causanan regal of dead do not worde estableci
*reputacion of aruba upstairs territory justicia is follow descend


oranjestad (aan) — at majority of country at world, hour come across cu one person dead, is let haci autopsia for determina kico was cause of dead. at aruba, hour come across cu restonan deadly is atribui they at thing person tell or is think. daily paper owing to realiza one investigacion cu one result espantoso. not have proof palpabel cu can talk of siucidio in several caso neither give seguranza cu is dead natural. autoridad do not achieve necesario for realiza investigacion definite in form of autopsia, cu is the unique as for establece con one person owing to fayece. aruba can achieve his self in more problem! trinidad is one country cu is ask about his self is con cosnan is bay at aruba y merca maybe the proximo.

the day before yesterday, casi at self instant, two person owing to worde achieve dead. uno was one person of edad cu was bad, cu owing to die at dakota. owing to calling doctor of keep, cu at self instant owing to worde calling for another caso. one tourist owing to die apparently in his dream. dead natural owing to worde tell in both caso.

in the caso at dakota was wait for dead but not owing to haci the trabao necesario for asegura cu none person not owing to dicidi for dead come before his hora. in the caso of the tourist was deal of one person of 54 year, cu was abide apparently of presion high of blood y was take medicamento. informenan cu daily paper owing to bay copila owing to base of the person here is show cu the drug cu the was take, according esnan cu conoce drug, can contribui at one paro of curazon. but was one paro of curazon?

miss of sign exterior of violencia do not descarta crimen

daily paper owing to bay investiga what cause of dead owing to give. none. only cu was one dead natural, according the docter, cu only can owing to arrive at one diagnosis after of dead, owing to base of the mature cu not was have sign of violencia. esey also will is aparece upstairs the documento oficial cu the tourist, cu owing to come aruba because; acompañante of one person of 80 year cu if is bibo, will go back his country cune.

daily paper owing to bay investiga if at merca the documento here is sufficient for autoridad mericano. the contesta was one “no” pisa. at merca, if one person worde achieve dead, have to haci autopsia for determina the cause of dead. ‘morto natural” do not tell nothing. legalmente if acepta “morto natural” because; cause of dead at merca, caminda if is stop upstairs specificacion, have to acepta cu not have to of the oficialidad of describi cause of dead, because esey do not worde tell.

“no have to of sign exterior for determina if was deal of crimen,” one experto owing to tell daily paper. for example, if give a two pill envez of uno, is autopsia only can revela cu thing is seems dead natural do not dead natural. in pasado aruba owing to achieve his self cu one caso, caminda owing to resulta cu dead natural not was dead natural.

trinidad sorprendi cu owing to let tripulantenan entrega capitan dead

daily paper for atende the asunto here, owing to bay in history y owing to busca more investigacion of casonan recien, cu was seems doubtful. although the casonan is close for justicia, questions is stay open. in one caso, at trinidad they owing to come descubri thing at aruba owing to stay scondi. one barco owing to arrive aruba. the tripulantenan, cu owing to tell cu they owing to achieve problem upstairs sea, owing to tell cu they capitan was dead owing to bordo.

apparently is personal of douane owing to calling doctor y after owing to bay calling fiscal. all the time the capitan owing to worde descend at ground. the will was have blood is leave for of his mouth. owing to haci one investigacion. the tripulantenan owing to give they version.

they owing to follow they caminda y the capitan dead owing to worde send trinidad, caminda autoridad owing to haci his trabao. owing to haci autopsia y owing to resulta apparently, cu the capitan owing to worde estrangula! aruba not can owing to entrega the tripulantenan, cu owing to follow they caminda, according informantenan. the question is stay pakico not owing to haci autopsia. informantenan owing to show cu not can culpa neither police neither none another instancia. if do not familianan, in casonan cu is misterioso, is fiscal have to dicidi cu is haci autopsia for dicidi of kico the person owing to fayece.

y at aruba apparently, autopsia do not worde haci. “nan is tell cu is gastamento of coin,” one informante owing to tell.

after of die, the victima owing to place hand at pecho?

recientemente, one man cu was work at one hotel new, owing to worde achieve dead in his vivienda. one ball owing to traspaso his cabez. at wall was have one mensahe: “alto llama owing to la policia estoy muerto de one disparo not es broma” agustin will owing to write at wall before past owing to die.

siucidio owing to worde determina. was siucidio because agustin owing to send calling police? past owing to worde forza for write the message upstairs wall? daily paper owing to follow profundiza in the caso. they owing to hoist the colchon of cama for busca the ball. not owing to haye. where the ball was? “straño cu past owing to kill his self y owing to place his hand upstairs his pecho y the arm also was at one form straña for a cu owing to die,” one informante owing to tell daily paper. but owing to busca the ball!

autopsia have to owing to tell kico owing to happen. not have to owing to saca the restonan at once of the lugar y even not have to owing to let tanto person happen. but all esey owing to socede. because was siucidio. autopsia again not was necesario.

casonan is happen for olvido. not have coin for autopsia or do not give valor at autopsia, cu have to conclui con the person owing to die? autopsia according penalista experto, can owing to determina for example, if the person owing to worde drugs or was have another rastronan inner for demostra cu not was siucidio.

one situation odd is desaroya. daily paper is follow busca more informacion. have to evita cu paisnan is bay exigi for hour they hendenan die at aruba they achieve know exactly kico owing to happen. siucidio y “morto natural” do not sufficient. “morto is the aspecto more natural of life. the can is for motibo of violencia. but pakico the person owing to die, is thing autoridad have to achieve know y not can know if not haci autopsia,” the informante owing to asegura!

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Diario is saying that on Aruba, autopsies aren't performed as often as they should be - and that autopsies performed aren't always thorough or correct.

Mentions again the case we know of, of the gentleman who died at sea. Mentions several others, plus two cases "the day before yesterday" - I take it that one is the American tourist who died at Mill Resort (the one with the delay in getting a doctor, which may cause problems in and of itself).

The article says that too often, the word of another party, or what I'll call assumptions by the polis, are taken literally and the death deemed to be "natural cause" or "suicide" without further investigation.

Wish I knew which other cases the article is talking about ... don't know whether we already have them here or not.
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« Reply #459 on: June 14, 2007, 02:59:21 PM »

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06-09-2005, 12:25 AM
I visited Aruba in June 2004. We rented from Budget. We opted to not get the insurance. Well, we were scammed BIG TIME. The car first of all had scratches and nicks all over it. On the day we were leaving the island we took the car back and there was a mark on the side. It was a white "rub" mark. The kind of mark you get when something with paint on it rubs against something else. This was NOT a scratch, dent etc.. It needed a little buffing cream. Anyway, we knew that we didn't put the mark there. Well, the guy came out and barely looked at it and told us the WHOLE car would need repainted!! Ummm...what about all the scratches and nicks on it already? Was it repainted from the last suckers you scammed? They had our credit card info and charged us $500 to have it "repainted"! I told them I wanted pictures and proof that it was indeed repainted. Surprise...never heard from them again. These people know where you are staying. I really believe they send people out to do damage to these cars to rip you off. Also we were robbed while we were diving. Our stuff was taken out of the car. All of my friends money and ID was stolen. I felt so violated and unsafe in Aruba. The only good part was we met a girl from Belgium who works at one of the hospitals as a nurse and we became friends and she came back to the states several times to stay with us. I hope everyone has better luck than we did!
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