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« Reply #600 on: July 21, 2007, 09:54:31 AM »

http://www.expatica.com/actual/article.asp?subchannel_id=1&story_id=42115

5 people detained for human trafficking
20 July 2007

ZWOLLE – Five individuals from Zwolle and Kampen aged between 18 and 25 have been detained on suspicion of human trafficking. By using the lover boy method three women became prostitutes, according to the police on Friday.

The main suspects, two 19-year-old men from Zwolle, are still held in custody. The victims aged 16, 18 and 20 are from the vicinity of Zwolle. One of them worked as a window prostitute; another worked as an escort lady. The victims had been working for months for the lover boys, according to the police.

The case came to light after an attempt to find living accommodation for the 18-year-old victim. The person running the accommodation agency tipped off the police because he found the girl very young and suspected that she was forced into prostitution.
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« Reply #601 on: July 21, 2007, 09:54:55 AM »

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This week I was thinking I would ask the Lord God to help me.. I need not to have insomnia; get up early before 11, but the most important things are energy and gumption to not be overwhelmed to do the things i need to do to survive

So, out of 5 nights  I have awakened 2 days around 8 or 9 no pain, and with some energy. One day the energy didn't last more than two hrs and then I had to take a nap. The other day it lasted all day to about 9.

So I am posting a request in the prayer section for more energy and gumption and forcus and completing things to live

do this make sense?


IBE you do and I know that you do so very much for our Veterans... I am praying for you... and you know what?  Do what you need while you have enegry then take a nap and start over... who says that isn't ok?
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« Reply #602 on: July 21, 2007, 09:54:57 AM »

Morning, Monkeys.  I agree completely with John Reynolds' post.  There are really only two options here:  BOR is completely irresponsible in airing the story about Natalee's demise, or BOR had no choice but to air the story and used Geraldo at the same time to put a negative spin on the story.

I don't know which I believe.  We really can't know until BOR tells us.  Going by his past behavior, this really doesn't make sense, does it?
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« Reply #603 on: July 21, 2007, 09:56:52 AM »

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Anyone get any good email lately?   Razz


If 'good' means I won the Dutch Lottery again for the 8th time this year... well then yes I did get good news!! Razz

I'm the luckiest poster here...LOL
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« Reply #604 on: July 21, 2007, 09:59:49 AM »

Easy thanks for the recap on Fox & Friends... and thanks

way much to Driving Ms.Daisy for the recaps/transcripts on the front page!


Morning Y'all!!!
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« Reply #605 on: July 21, 2007, 10:01:03 AM »

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Fox talking about kids on the internet and cyber-bullies.  They are talking about young teenagers, but some of the stuff could be taken directly from some well known forums. lol


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« Reply #606 on: July 21, 2007, 10:01:56 AM »

BOR “breaks” this story then every other show on Fox has gone about de-bunking the theory.  Very strange indeed!
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« Reply #607 on: July 21, 2007, 10:01:58 AM »

Looks as though that legal prostitution has a few problems.  I think the punishment for forcing another into prostitution should be being forced into it themselves.  Seems only fair except for twice as long as they forced another.  Many of these desperate women are hardly the happy hookers we are led to believe.
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Ladies of pleasure or sex slaves?
Dutch prostitution policy is meant to free female sex workers from parasitic pimps and turn them into empowered self-employed entrepreneurs. But the authorities are now asking their clients for help to tackle the problem of women being trafficked for sex.


 
The Netherlands is known internationally for certain clichés: red wheels of Edam cheese, clogs, dikes and prostitutes.

Everyone knows about how the Dutch decriminalised prostitution and think it is normal for scantily clad women of all ages to flaunt themselves in windows just metres from the Damrak, the city's main thorough fair.

While the authorities in other countries spend a lot of time and resources rounding up and prosecuting women sex workers, the Netherlands tolerates and taxes them.

Prostitutes must be at least 18 and their clients must be at least 16. The women who sell their bodies in brothels or the 12 red light districts with windows in the Netherlands are assumed to be self-employed.

The windows, with a red light hanging above, are rented out by companies to the women for eight-hour shifts for some EUR 60 to 150. The prostitutes work when they want and decide what services to offer and how much to charge.

The argument underpinning the policy is that allowing sex workers to operate openly will free them from the middle men, the pimps. The only person exploiting the talents of the sex worker is the woman herself. So the theory goes.

Dark side of the street

There are indications, however, that not everyone working in the industry is doing so willingly.

The only person exploiting the talents of the sex worker is the woman herself. So the theory goes.

A report by the national detective service in 2002 suggested a quarter of the prostitutes in the Netherlands were the victims of human trafficking. The expansion of the European Union, it said, had led to a flood of women from the east. Trafficking gangs confiscate their passports and put them to work as prostitutes.

The police conducted 42 successful investigations into human trafficking in 2003, down in the 55 cases the year before. A provisional estimate for 2004 showed an increase once more.

The most common nationalities among the 148 people arrested for human smuggling in 2003 were Dutch, Romanian and Bulgarian. But the percentage for different nationalities fluctuates widely every year. Twenty-two of the detainees in 2003 were owners of sex businesses.

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The crime prevention agency Stichting M launched a campaign with the police in January 2006 to encourage members of the public to report instances of human trafficking.

The focus of the campaign is the exploitation of trafficked women in the sex industry. The police are circulating posters and stickers to alert the public and to get people to report instances of forced prostitution.

The signs a woman is being forced to sell her body, the police say, include little responsiveness to the client, bruising and fearfulness.

Who best to detect these signs? Their clients, of course. And there is no better way to do this, Stichting M. thinks, than through hookers.nl - an internet forum where clients swap stories and reviews of their visits to the red light district.

Starting in January, visitors to the site - and there are thousands every day - have been greeted by an advert that leads to animation contrasting the erotic delights with the violent reality of forced prostitution. It is not explicit in a sexual way but it is striking. And as is often the case in reality, it is the woman who is struck when she refuses to do her master's bidding.

Dilemma

The decision to post the advert on hookers.nl is controversial. Amsterdam Labour Party representative Karina Schaapman, for instance, notes the website contains may dubious tips, such as where a man might find a prostitute willing to have sex without a condom - as cheaply as possible.

The sum of EUR 1,200 is a piece of change compared with what is normally paid for such an advert

Schaapman is being polite: a quick scan reveals some of the readers have a wide range of interests, including finding virgins willing to have sex for money; pregnant prostitutes; gang-bangs and more.

Schaapman says the government needs reliable partners in the campaign. "In Belgium cards are circulated in every cafe to alert people to human trafficking. You can also reach your target group through television and public campaigns".

"I believe this site gets EUR 1,200 to run the ad. I find that objectionable," says Schaapman.

As the owner of hookers.nl also runs an adult  webcam site, the councillor says the government is working with the porn industry. In general, however, Schaapman is very pleased a campaign has been established to highlight the problem of human trafficking.

Stichting M. is not surprised about her criticism. "We expected this sort of reaction, but ultimately we decided to go ahead as this site has an enormous reach - about 40,000 visitors a day," a spokesperson said.

"The sum of EUR 1,200 is a piece of change compared with what is normally paid for such an advert," the organisation argues.

Prostitution in the Netherlands has undergone fundamental change. It is no longer the sole responsibility of the sex worker to ensure her client is being looked after; the client must wait out for her.

http://www.expatica.com/actual/article.asp?subchannel_id=19&story_id=26964

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www.totaleovergave.nl (the advert)

www.hookers.nl

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« Reply #608 on: July 21, 2007, 10:02:00 AM »

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Fox talking about kids on the internet and cyber-bullies.  They are talking about young teenagers, but some of the stuff could be taken directly from some well known forums. lol


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« Reply #609 on: July 21, 2007, 10:02:15 AM »

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Easy thanks for the recap on Fox & Friends... and thanks

way much to Driving Ms.Daisy for the recaps/transcripts on the front page!


Morning Y'all!!!


I'm not sure if you should drink Turkish Coffee late at night Mrs Red... looks like you were up all night!!!  Laughing

Good Morning to you!!!
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« Reply #610 on: July 21, 2007, 10:04:13 AM »

Nut44x4 - Shango posted from just North of Miami. Nice find!!!!!
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« Reply #611 on: July 21, 2007, 10:05:00 AM »

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The Fox & Friends segment did discuss: 1) it is unknowable that she died from cardio arrest and 2) not knowing whether she was murdered may suggest something other than murder.


Welcome Linda in MD to the forum!  I'm not awake yet, still on my first sip of coffee!
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« Reply #612 on: July 21, 2007, 10:07:42 AM »

APPLAUDING that post ANNA...

very interesting and very informative post.  In a lot of the the countries, the only export or the largest export is sex slaves... it is the largest export of Moldova.. where girls and boys are kicked out of the orphanages at 16..
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« Reply #613 on: July 21, 2007, 10:09:52 AM »

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Easy thanks for the recap on Fox & Friends... and thanks

way much to Driving Ms.Daisy for the recaps/transcripts on the front page!


Morning Y'all!!!


I'm not sure if you should drink Turkish Coffee late at night Mrs Red... looks like you were up all night!!!  Laughing

Good Morning to you!!!


and rambling! Embarassed  Laughing  it was fun though
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« Reply #614 on: July 21, 2007, 10:11:09 AM »

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http://www.expatica.com/actual/article.asp?subchannel_id=1&story_id=42115

5 people detained for human trafficking
20 July 2007

ZWOLLE – Five individuals from Zwolle and Kampen aged between 18 and 25 have been detained on suspicion of human trafficking. By using the lover boy method three women became prostitutes, according to the police on Friday.

The main suspects, two 19-year-old men from Zwolle, are still held in custody. The victims aged 16, 18 and 20 are from the vicinity of Zwolle. One of them worked as a window prostitute; another worked as an escort lady. The victims had been working for months for the lover boys, according to the police.

The case came to light after an attempt to find living accommodation for the 18-year-old victim. The person running the accommodation agency tipped off the police because he found the girl very young and suspected that she was forced into prostitution.


Interresting - Diario has the same article today!

http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/7/21/
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« Reply #615 on: July 21, 2007, 10:11:23 AM »

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APPLAUDING that post ANNA...

very interesting and very informative post.  In a lot of the the countries, the only export or the largest export is sex slaves... it is the largest export of Moldova.. where girls and boys are kicked out of the orphanages at 16..


Right!!! this is hardly a model continent and one that should not be telling others what to do. This whole non-sense about the EU and the Euro make them look a collective criminal enterprise that needed a common currency to do their 'business'.
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« Reply #616 on: July 21, 2007, 10:13:54 AM »

Great Post Anna,I have seen from the street the red lights,sad.Mrs Red,you can read your future in the grinds of your cup of Turkish coffee,it is quite strong.Rob,Destiny,Easy,etc great posts,and good morning
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« Reply #617 on: July 21, 2007, 10:14:28 AM »

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Morning, Monkeys.  I agree completely with John Reynolds' post.  There are really only two options here:  BOR is completely irresponsible in airing the story about Natalee's demise, or BOR had no choice but to air the story and used Geraldo at the same time to put a negative spin on the story.

I don't know which I believe.  We really can't know until BOR tells us.  Going by his past behavior, this really doesn't make sense, does it?


Morning... I personally think that BOR could care less about the story either way... for him it's all about the ratings... either that or he was doing his friend Geraldo a favor and helping him boost his Saturday night ratings.
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« Reply #618 on: July 21, 2007, 10:15:11 AM »

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Fox talking about kids on the internet and cyber-bullies.  They are talking about young teenagers, but some of the stuff could be taken directly from some well known forums. lol


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Thanks!  Interesting post.  Hate is a negative energy and will consume a person instead of elevating their potential.

Things were so slow in here this morning that I took a look over at one of the dark sites and they were trying to rip apart Paul Reynolds.  Their focus was his hair, beard, etc.  Just how ridiculous is that?  He was very polite, well-spoken and not emotional in his plead for the investigators to stay focused.  So, what do these dip shits focus on?  His hair....  What does that tell ya?
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« Reply #619 on: July 21, 2007, 10:16:24 AM »

Hmm,just a random thought,if I were Tim,I would all ready be there and tell after wards.They do seem desperate and scared.Now even the dark side is talking about what you can't find from bones.hmmmmm Maybe they know
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