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« Reply #180 on: July 25, 2007, 09:58:59 PM »

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Thank You Ms Marple... that makes perfect sense.


Are you saying someone traveled from Aruba to the states with a partial bottle of wine in their posession?

would have still been possible back then.. wouldn't it?  I know I have traveled with wine as a carry-on before heading home for holidays, etc.
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« Reply #181 on: July 25, 2007, 09:59:17 PM »

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I recall Paulus saying that about 4am and Alberto G I think it was backing up what Beth heard and that being why Paulus was deemed worthy of jail time.

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It was Claudio Eldridge (sp?) who backed up Beth et al on the 4:00 a.m. pickup time. It's in the documents, a letter, pertaining to the NY case. Although the letter may have been written NOT in connection with that case. Of course klaas would know exactly ...

(Sorry, just remember being really floored that SOMEONE on Aruba backed it up, and I don't think I'll forget that name ...)
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« Reply #182 on: July 25, 2007, 09:59:41 PM »

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When Joran was at the HI, he was picked up at McDonalds.  Maybe it's easier for cars to get in and out.  Maybe the casino workers (Guido) have to park their cars there.  Maybe some people were taking a walk and saw them drive by or pull in because someone was sick to their stomach.  Who knows.


Did not realize they were so close. Although, seems weird or unlikely that hotel/casino workers and/or visitors need to park at MCDs. Then again I have never been to Aruba so I have no idea.
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« Reply #183 on: July 25, 2007, 10:02:09 PM »

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I have been reading through the legal doc on BFN

Who is this person and why would they be given Urine samples to FBI in this case



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Other FBI DOCS

Nameffitle/Description: Hayley Carroro Sagona
Date: 06/06/2005
Pages: 3
File #: 163a-bb-1426
Location: Jamaica, NY
Writer/Initiator: SA Gregory T. Mchugh

Name,Title/Description: Hayley Sagona (urine samples)
Date: 06/07/2005
Pages: 1
File #: 163a-bb-1426
Location: Huntington NY
Writer


I don't think  anyone knows.  She may have been someone that came forward saying she thought she'd been drugged?  We really don't know.


I just found this in there too
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File #: 163a-bb-1426
Location: Huntington NY
Writer/Initiaton Nurse Marie 0' Brain
Name/Title/Description: Interview with Tracey Allan
Date: 06/09/2005
Pages: 1

Same place Huntington NY..  just seems odd .. to me


Hey all ya'll!

The file number looks interesting........

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« Reply #184 on: July 25, 2007, 10:02:35 PM »

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Maybe we should get dana to do an interview with the doe network people?  I think that would be interesting...


Mrs Red- please do..

MsMarple- could it be possible that Haley used the bottle to preserve a sample while still on Aruba?
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« Reply #185 on: July 25, 2007, 10:04:31 PM »

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How strange.  I find she gave them WINE SAMPLES!?

G€˘ Nameffitle/Description: Hayley Carroro Sagona
Date: 06/06/2005
Pages: 3
File #: 163a-bb-1426
Location: Jamaica, NY
Writer/Initiator: SA Gregory T. Mchugh
G€˘ Name,Title/Description: Hayley Sagona (wine samples)

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« Reply #186 on: July 25, 2007, 10:06:12 PM »

I just think if she were dead, that there would have been another pickup point rather than a lit McDonalds. Picking up an inebriated/passed out girl, at Mc D, perhaps.
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« Reply #187 on: July 25, 2007, 10:06:21 PM »

Who gave Natalee the poisoned wine of Bacchus?

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« Reply #188 on: July 25, 2007, 10:07:14 PM »

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Who gave Natalee the poisoned wine of Bacchus?

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« Reply #189 on: July 25, 2007, 10:07:20 PM »

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Who gave Natalee the poisoned wine of Bacchus?

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bartenders at CnC's on joran's $20 drink...
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« Reply #190 on: July 25, 2007, 10:07:41 PM »

If the crime scene (battery, rape) took place away from the VanderSloot residence, Paulus would have been called by the boys. If Paulus came from his house to meet up with J2K, most likely he would have sent K2 away and handled the disposal with Joran only.  Natalee's body would have most likely been transferred from one vehicle to another. This is simply a cloudy area of the timeline.  Speculation could have any vehicle there: (a) Paulus' vehicle, (b) a real close friend's vehicle.  Would Paulus have known to keep forensic evidence out of one of his own vehicles? At that particular moment, however, he could never in his wildest dreams imagined that the ALE would allow forensics to disappear from his vehicle.

I think at some point that Paulus sent the Kalpoe's away and dealt with this with Joran only.  Paulus and Joran had a very important job to do.

Part of me can see that maybe a small (friends only) pool party / Joran's apartment party took place after CnC.  However, if Paulus was out and about between 3-7AM, that eliminates a pool party scenario for me somewhat.  Doublethink: Maybe Paulus wants people to think he was out and about (@McD) to steer theories away from the safe haven, which could turn out to be his own home.

Any ideas....
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« Reply #191 on: July 25, 2007, 10:08:38 PM »

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« Reply #192 on: July 25, 2007, 10:09:10 PM »

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I'm stealing this from a comment made on In Cold Blog, because I found it to be interesting.

"The sad fact is, Natalee's story is far from unique in Aruba and other "island paradises.” As an area director at the Doe Network, I cover the Bahamas, Aruba, and the Caribbean. I have many cases of the missing and unidentified currently awaiting validation by law enforcement, medical examiners, and coroner's court officials. Several of these are from Aruba. Once validated, they will be entered in Doe Network’s extensive databases."

Can that be confirmed?  I know about some of the questionable disappearances in Aruba over the past decade, but this statement comes across a little differently.


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What is the "Doe Network" and did they list the missing persons ??


http://doenetwork.org/


thanks Easy


I just scanned through that site and hardly broke the surface, but it is extremely heart breaking to see all those faces.  Each has a story and a grieving family left behind.  Not sure I can spend much time reading through that one.
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« Reply #193 on: July 25, 2007, 10:09:14 PM »

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I have been reading through the legal doc on BFN

Who is this person and why would they be given Urine samples to FBI in this case



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Other FBI DOCS

Nameffitle/Description: Hayley Carroro Sagona
Date: 06/06/2005
Pages: 3
File #: 163a-bb-1426
Location: Jamaica, NY
Writer/Initiator: SA Gregory T. Mchugh

Name,Title/Description: Hayley Sagona (urine samples)
Date: 06/07/2005
Pages: 1
File #: 163a-bb-1426
Location: Huntington NY
Writer


I don't think  anyone knows.  She may have been someone that came forward saying she thought she'd been drugged?  We really don't know.


I just found this in there too
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File #: 163a-bb-1426
Location: Huntington NY
Writer/Initiaton Nurse Marie 0' Brain
Name/Title/Description: Interview with Tracey Allan
Date: 06/09/2005
Pages: 1

Same place Huntington NY..  just seems odd .. to me


Hey all ya'll!

The file number looks interesting........

Goodnight!



who is the person who's name is Red above (miss spelled it twice no)
Hi GunSlinger..  /  bye GunSlinger /
Drop in again sometime
Let us know what you find on that case #

Sorry just one of those nights where I just need to go collapse  in a bit
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« Reply #194 on: July 25, 2007, 10:10:05 PM »

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I just think if she were dead, that there would have been another pickup point rather than a lit McDonalds. Picking up an inebriated/passed out girl, at Mc D, perhaps.


I completely agree with you on this.
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« Reply #195 on: July 25, 2007, 10:10:08 PM »

I am just so weary of all the lying and the lies.  Did not one person tell the truth about anything!

But then I guess that was the idea, to totally obfuscate everything so we would never be able to figure it out.

Paulus was prolly afraid he was seen sneaking home at 4 am from his gf house, the one he can't name as his alibi because people would be hurt.

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« Reply #196 on: July 25, 2007, 10:10:21 PM »

joran was picked up paulus

joran was ALONE


joran and crew had already taken Natalee somewhere to get rid of her body.

joran was left somewhere so he could come up with "another" story as
to where he was, on the beach, walking home, gambling somewhere else

TAKE YOUR PICK


then paulus was called


but paulus and joran had not gotten their TIMES fixed between the two of them
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« Reply #197 on: July 25, 2007, 10:11:12 PM »

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McDonalds is near the Holiday Inn



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Kamerlingh   Onnnesstraat 8          583-3766
LG Smith Boulevard                       586-1515
Sta Cruz  54B                               585-4525
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« Reply #198 on: July 25, 2007, 10:12:55 PM »

Hey ... I'm sorry about the wine reference out of the Scanned PDF to txt doc and not proofing it more..
If I had an edit button it would be gone...

Has any tried the search with posters names of B*
Just wondering
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« Reply #199 on: July 25, 2007, 10:13:11 PM »

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McDonalds is near the Holiday Inn



McDonald's Aruba NV

Kamerlingh   Onnnesstraat 8          583-3766
LG Smith Boulevard                       586-1515
Sta Cruz  54B                               585-4525


after have been there, my recollection is that McD is super close to the Holiday Inn, as in 1-2 min walk.
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