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« Reply #200 on: July 25, 2007, 10:16:41 PM »

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Who gave Natalee the poisoned wine of Bacchus?

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It's so obvious.  Paulus was not looking for the cure, he was looking for the poison.  He had to make her die, fast, to protect his first legitimate son.  He was sloppy.

He is paying, and will take the fall.

JMHO
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« Reply #201 on: July 25, 2007, 10:17:23 PM »

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Thank You Ms Marple... that makes perfect sense.


Are you saying someone traveled from Aruba to the states with a partial bottle of wine in their posession?


Why not? Especially if she thought something had been added to it ... and planned to have it, as well as urine, tested. Just pack in a checked bag. (Pack really well, in multiple plastic bags, of course ... )

This is just speculation on my part, of course.
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Why did they have to disappear her body?

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« Reply #202 on: July 25, 2007, 10:17:41 PM »

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joran was picked up paulus

joran was ALONE


joran and crew had already taken Natalee somewhere to get rid of her body.

joran was left somewhere so he could come up with "another" story as
to where he was, on the beach, walking home, gambling somewhere else

TAKE YOUR PICK






then paulus was called


but paulus and joran had not gotten their TIMES fixed between the two of them



robots,

i agree. this makes sense that Joran was picked up solo by Paulus. Body was hidden and retrieved by the two of them after Joran was picked up.

Would all of this action eliminate the possibility that Natalee's demise took place at the VDS residence?
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« Reply #203 on: July 25, 2007, 10:18:53 PM »

In this case....

WINE = URINE

It was a problem with the PDF converter that Oldfart used.  It is not wine, it is urine.
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« Reply #204 on: July 25, 2007, 10:19:06 PM »

Klass!

Have I told you lately that you are an Eagle?
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« Reply #205 on: July 25, 2007, 10:19:35 PM »

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joran was picked up paulus

joran was ALONE


joran and crew had already taken Natalee somewhere to get rid of her body.

joran was left somewhere so he could come up with "another" story as
to where he was, on the beach, walking home, gambling somewhere else

TAKE YOUR PICK

robots,

i agree. this makes sense that Joran was picked up solo by Paulus. Body was hidden and retrieved by the two of them after Joran was picked up.

Would all of this action eliminate the possibility that Natalee's demise took place at the VDS residence?




then paulus was called


but paulus and joran had not gotten their TIMES fixed between the two of them
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« Reply #206 on: July 25, 2007, 10:20:11 PM »

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Klass!

Have I told you lately that you are an Eagle?


Thanks Gunslinger  Laughing
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« Reply #207 on: July 25, 2007, 10:20:36 PM »

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Good eveninng Monkeys!

Good discussions going on tonight.
AZLady: I agree with so much of what you said in your last post. But I still have a burning question . . . were those PIMPS worthy of such a huge cover-up? You mentioned video of the assault and I agree, but I beleive if this is the case, there is an entire network that is being protected. IMO the videos being made were not for the PIMPs enjoyment only but more of an enterprise.  Just thinking out loud. Any thoughts?


This has been part of my *gut* feelings from a long time ago.

I posted here about 2 months ago. I think time wise, the very same thoughts...for the very rich elders...I also strongly feel that these tapes were sold for very large sums....there is a tape/dvd of Natalees' last night in aruba somewhere...I'm still on page 4 trying to play catchup..

HELLO MONKIES....DON'T WASTE BANDWIDTH TO REPLY...I KNOW YOU'RE ALL HERE Wink

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« Reply #208 on: July 25, 2007, 10:21:12 PM »

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I have been reading through the legal doc on BFN

Who is this person and why would they be given Urine samples to FBI in this case



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Other FBI DOCS

Nameffitle/Description: Hayley Carroro Sagona
Date: 06/06/2005
Pages: 3
File #: 163a-bb-1426
Location: Jamaica, NY
Writer/Initiator: SA Gregory T. Mchugh

Name,Title/Description: Hayley Sagona (urine samples)
Date: 06/07/2005
Pages: 1
File #: 163a-bb-1426
Location: Huntington NY
Writer


I don't think  anyone knows.  She may have been someone that came forward saying she thought she'd been drugged?  We really don't know.


I just found this in there too
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File #: 163a-bb-1426
Location: Huntington NY
Writer/Initiaton Nurse Marie 0' Brain
Name/Title/Description: Interview with Tracey Allan
Date: 06/09/2005
Pages: 1

Same place Huntington NY..  just seems odd .. to me


Hey all ya'll!

The file number looks interesting........

Goodnight!



who is the person who's name is Red above (miss spelled it twice no)
Hi GunSlinger..  /  bye GunSlinger /
Drop in again sometime
Let us know what you find on that case #

Sorry just one of those nights where I just need to go collapse  in a bit


Wanna compare ages?
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« Reply #209 on: July 25, 2007, 10:21:34 PM »

OF...i entered BT a lots of ways and it came up with nothing.

MsM..i was asking a question, not debating the issue. If something happened to the woman on her trip, she was smart to save the wine.
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« Reply #210 on: July 25, 2007, 10:21:53 PM »

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Who gave Natalee the poisoned wine of Bacchus?

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It's so obvious.  Paulus was not looking for the cure, he was looking for the poison.  He had to make her die, fast, to protect his first legitimate son.  He was sloppy.

He is paying, and will take the fall.

JMHO


Couldn't have said it better myself.
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« Reply #211 on: July 25, 2007, 10:24:00 PM »

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Klass!

Have I told you lately that you are an Eagle?


Thanks Gunslinger  Laughing


And for those who do not know....

Eagles don't flock.

They have to be found one at a time!
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« Reply #212 on: July 25, 2007, 10:24:18 PM »

Do you think the rape / murder scene took place at the rocks?
I know all about the Chicago videos, painting of the rocks, etc.. - Is that the only explanation for painting these rocks (By the way - I do not buy, for one second, they were painted to be noticed by car drivers)?

This would be a public place where anyone could gather evidence so why not have a crew eliminate the forensics at the location.

Those stills of someone watching the painters sure does match up with Paulus - he must have an unknown twin on the island?
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« Reply #213 on: July 25, 2007, 10:24:42 PM »

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I recall Paulus saying that about 4am and Alberto G I think it was backing up what Beth heard and that being why Paulus was deemed worthy of jail time.

<snip>

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It was Claudio Eldridge (sp?) who backed up Beth et al on the 4:00 a.m. pickup time. It's in the documents, a letter, pertaining to the NY case. Although the letter may have been written NOT in connection with that case. Of course klaas would know exactly ...

(Sorry, just remember being really floored that SOMEONE on Aruba backed it up, and I don't think I'll forget that name ...)

Yes, in the Vin DeSouza letter it does say that Claudio was the one who heard Paulus say 4am.
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« Reply #214 on: July 25, 2007, 10:25:08 PM »

OF,

Tracey Allen is the woman jogger who was accosted by somebody at the Fisherman Hut area a couple of weeks before Natalee disappeared.

He tried to get her into his car, etc.

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« Reply #215 on: July 25, 2007, 10:25:44 PM »

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Good eveninng Monkeys!

Good discussions going on tonight.
AZLady: I agree with so much of what you said in your last post. But I still have a burning question . . . were those PIMPS worthy of such a huge cover-up? You mentioned video of the assault and I agree, but I beleive if this is the case, there is an entire network that is being protected. IMO the videos being made were not for the PIMPs enjoyment only but more of an enterprise.  Just thinking out loud. Any thoughts?


This has been part of my *gut* feelings from a long time ago.

I posted here about 2 months ago. I think time wise, the very same thoughts...for the very rich elders...I also strongly feel that these tapes were sold for very large sums....there is a tape/dvd of Natalees' last night in aruba somewhere...I'm still on page 4 trying to play catchup..

HELLO MONKIES....DON'T WASTE BANDWIDTH TO REPLY...I KNOW YOU'RE ALL HERE Wink

Destiny Wink



Hi Destiny! My gut as well as other things have made me think this for a long time. I have my theories . . .
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« Reply #216 on: July 25, 2007, 10:27:08 PM »

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Do you think the rape / murder scene took place at the rocks?
I know all about the Chicago videos, painting of the rocks, etc.. - Is that the only explanation for painting these rocks (By the way - I do not buy, for one second, they were painted to be noticed by car drivers)?

This would be a public place where anyone could gather evidence so why not have a crew eliminate the forensics at the location.

Those stills of someone watching the painters sure does match up with Paulus - he must have an unknown twin on the island?

I believe the rocks is a crime scene.  Whether Natalee was raped there or she tried to get away and they caught up with her there I don't know.  I do believe there was in the least blood on those rocks.
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« Reply #217 on: July 25, 2007, 10:27:16 PM »

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Do you think the rape / murder scene took place at the rocks?
I know all about the Chicago videos, painting of the rocks, etc.. - Is that the only explanation for painting these rocks (By the way - I do not buy, for one second, they were painted to be noticed by car drivers)?

This would be a public place where anyone could gather evidence so why not have a crew eliminate the forensics at the location.

Those stills of someone watching the painters sure does match up with Paulus - he must have an unknown twin on the island?


JMHO....

It's a diversion.


It happened at his home.

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« Reply #218 on: July 25, 2007, 10:28:02 PM »

OF,

Member name has to have three characters to search.  I remember poster DT never could be found on a search either.

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« Reply #219 on: July 25, 2007, 10:28:43 PM »

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Who gave Natalee the poisoned wine of Bacchus?

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 Very Happy  Very Happy  Very Happy


It's so obvious.  Paulus was not looking for the cure, he was looking for the poison.  He had to make her die, fast, to protect his first legitimate son.  He was sloppy.

He is paying, and will take the fall.

JMHO


Couldn't have said it better myself.


Is THE POISONED WINE OF BACCHUS a metaphor of some sort? I have never heard or seen anything regarding wine.

Also, I saw a poster reference bottles, containing drugs of some sort, found out back of CnC. I have never seen this before either.

I do not intend to put weird rumors out there, maybe I just missed part of a conversation or two.
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