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« Reply #280 on: July 25, 2007, 11:02:50 PM »

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Perhaps the rocks were not the actually location of the original assault but the end of it all . . . any thoughts?


the end of it all..... meaning what. VDS house to rocks.

it is hard for to imagine young men (18-25) filming such a thing. as if drugging and raping isn't hard enough to believe. Filming.. it could be true... but I have a hard time inserting this into the story. am i wrong?


Yes, I am sorry to say you are wrong. There are numerous amateur online porn sites ie Bangbus.com[/quote]

I have seen these sites. Aren't the girls at least awake, as opposed to a nodding in and out Natalee. Would make for a bad video, in my opinion.
Or, was this a beginning to future lies concerning her being on the verge of having adverse reaction to alcohol and her supposed drugs(fabricated also), subsequently leading to her death?
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« Reply #281 on: July 25, 2007, 11:03:25 PM »

Thanks Ms.Marple that was what I thought it may say..I wonder when LVR has his court date? Must be coming up soon..
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« Reply #282 on: July 25, 2007, 11:05:09 PM »

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Do you think the rape / murder scene took place at the rocks?
I know all about the Chicago videos, painting of the rocks, etc.. - Is that the only explanation for painting these rocks (By the way - I do not buy, for one second, they were painted to be noticed by car drivers)?

This would be a public place where anyone could gather evidence so why not have a crew eliminate the forensics at the location.

Those stills of someone watching the painters sure does match up with Paulus - he must have an unknown twin on the island?

I believe the rocks is a crime scene.  Whether Natalee was raped there or she tried to get away and they caught up with her there I don't know.  I do believe there was in the least blood on those rocks.

Could the final blow have been at the rocks (Guido = Heavy Battery).  They knew she was still alive and they wanted to make sure she was dead after taking her from the VDS home.


or did dismemberment take place at the rocks.
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« Reply #283 on: July 25, 2007, 11:05:46 PM »

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Perhaps the rocks were not the actually location of the original assault but the end of it all . . . any thoughts?


the end of it all..... meaning what. VDS house to rocks.

it is hard for to imagine young men (18-25) filming such a thing. as if drugging and raping isn't hard enough to believe. Filming.. it could be true... but I have a hard time inserting this into the story. am i wrong?


Yes, I am sorry to say you are wrong. There are numerous amateur online porn sites ie Bangbus.com


I have seen these sites. Aren't the girls at least awake, as opposed to a nodding in and out Natalee. Would make for a bad video, in my opinion.
Or, was this a beginning to future lies concerning her being on the verge of having adverse reaction to alcohol and her supposed drugs(fabricated also), subsequently leading to her death?[/quote]
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There are rape videos at those sites as well.  Just saying.  Don't believe for a minute that these boys weren't into filming and distributing their amateur porn flicks.
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« Reply #284 on: July 25, 2007, 11:07:26 PM »

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Do you think the rape / murder scene took place at the rocks?
I know all about the Chicago videos, painting of the rocks, etc.. - Is that the only explanation for painting these rocks (By the way - I do not buy, for one second, they were painted to be noticed by car drivers)?

This would be a public place where anyone could gather evidence so why not have a crew eliminate the forensics at the location.

Those stills of someone watching the painters sure does match up with Paulus - he must have an unknown twin on the island?

I believe the rocks is a crime scene.  Whether Natalee was raped there or she tried to get away and they caught up with her there I don't know.  I do believe there was in the least blood on those rocks.

Could the final blow have been at the rocks (Guido = Heavy Battery).  They knew she was still alive and they wanted to make sure she was dead after taking her from the VDS home.


or did dismemberment take place at the rocks.


Horrible to think of, but entirely possible.
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« Reply #285 on: July 25, 2007, 11:07:33 PM »

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Do you think the rape / murder scene took place at the rocks?
I know all about the Chicago videos, painting of the rocks, etc.. - Is that the only explanation for painting these rocks (By the way - I do not buy, for one second, they were painted to be noticed by car drivers)?

This would be a public place where anyone could gather evidence so why not have a crew eliminate the forensics at the location.

Those stills of someone watching the painters sure does match up with Paulus - he must have an unknown twin on the island?

I believe the rocks is a crime scene.  Whether Natalee was raped there or she tried to get away and they caught up with her there I don't know.  I do believe there was in the least blood on those rocks.

Could the final blow have been at the rocks (Guido = Heavy Battery).  They knew she was still alive and they wanted to make sure she was dead after taking her from the VDS home.


Why go from house to rocks? And not house to disposal? What could be accomplished at the rocks that couldn't be accomplished home or elsewhere - disposal loacation(s)?
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« Reply #286 on: July 25, 2007, 11:08:36 PM »

BUCKSHOT - See San's post above.
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« Reply #287 on: July 25, 2007, 11:09:07 PM »

qUIDO WAS A MALE MODEL.  wAS HE A BOXER TOO? sORRRY FOR THE ALL CAPS!
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« Reply #288 on: July 25, 2007, 11:09:25 PM »

Beth and others stated that there was a lot of blood in the KP's car,  my question is what had caused her to bleed that much....was she beat up or what.......hate to ask this, I don't mean to be morbid, but I would like to hear what ya'll think...TIA
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« Reply #289 on: July 25, 2007, 11:11:34 PM »

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BUCKSHOT - See San's post above.


Thanks - just saw it.

If this train of thought is followed, the it would be an opportune time to borrow some tools at the Fisherman's Huts. Not to mention, along the way.

I tend to think her body has been destroyed as it would close the possibility of it accidentally being discovered at a later time.
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« Reply #290 on: July 25, 2007, 11:11:37 PM »

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qUIDO WAS A MALE MODEL.  wAS HE A BOXER TOO? sORRRY FOR THE ALL CAPS!


Guido could have gotten really pissed if Natalee scratched his models's face.
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« Reply #291 on: July 25, 2007, 11:11:53 PM »

G'nite Monkeys
We all have our thoughts on who and how things occured.

I just wish there was a way to  leak, borrow, buy, of otherwise obtain (W/O compromising the case) any good / reliable info from Monday and Tuesday  Who was where, who did they call / what did the say to other people etc.

Why ... because come Tueday evening the story from that morning was already changing...

JMO...

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« Reply #292 on: July 25, 2007, 11:13:26 PM »

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Why go from house to rocks? And not house to disposal? What could be accomplished at the rocks that couldn't be accomplished home or elsewhere - disposal loacation(s)?


Maybe, instead, they went from rocks to house. Maybe something violent happened there and they ended up taking Natalee (alive or deceased) back to the VDS house simply to figure out what to do next.

I feel so crass talking about this. I hate to speculate about anyone's demise this way.
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« Reply #293 on: July 25, 2007, 11:14:17 PM »

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qUIDO WAS A MALE MODEL.  wAS HE A BOXER TOO? sORRRY FOR THE ALL CAPS!

Why do you ask?  I don't remember hearing anything about him being a boxer.
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« Reply #294 on: July 25, 2007, 11:15:00 PM »

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Guido could have gotten really pissed if Natalee scratched his models's face.


I don't understand how someone can be arrested on suspicion of heavy battery then, POOF!  Nothing and they are free to go.  There had to be some basis for his arrest.  Why not just question him as a witness if he is not involved?  Why the arrest with the gruesome title, etc.

I think we know who and what but we don't know how or where.

But how could there be a basis for all these arrests then absolutely nothing ever comes of any of it?  I don't get it.  What was the basis for the arrests in the first place and what happened to that information?

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« Reply #295 on: July 25, 2007, 11:15:10 PM »

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Perhaps the rocks were not the actually location of the original assault but the end of it all . . . any thoughts?


the end of it all..... meaning what. VDS house to rocks.

it is hard for to imagine young men (18-25) filming such a thing. as if drugging and raping isn't hard enough to believe. Filming.. it could be true... but I have a hard time inserting this into the story. am i wrong?


Yes, I am sorry to say you are wrong. There are numerous amateur online porn sites ie Bangbus.com


I have seen these sites. Aren't the girls at least awake, as opposed to a nodding in and out Natalee. Would make for a bad video, in my opinion.
Or, was this a beginning to future lies concerning her being on the verge of having adverse reaction to alcohol and her supposed drugs(fabricated also), subsequently leading to her death?[/quote]

IMO they (the 3 perps) did not count on an unconscious Natalee just a drugged one.
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« Reply #296 on: July 25, 2007, 11:17:24 PM »

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Beth and others stated that there was a lot of blood in the KP's car,  my question is what had caused her to bleed that much....was she beat up or what.......hate to ask this, I don't mean to be morbid, but I would like to hear what ya'll think...TIA


Hard to say..Hate to talk about this but it needs to be addressed. She could have been hit by the car or hit in the head with a object like a bat. That much blood wouldnt be from a simple assault. For all we know the idiots drugged her again with a huge dose after she put up a fight. Possible that she overdosed or had complications and they took her out to the rocks to put her out of her mysery.
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« Reply #297 on: July 25, 2007, 11:18:44 PM »

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qUIDO WAS A MALE MODEL.  wAS HE A BOXER TOO? sORRRY FOR THE ALL CAPS!


Guido could have gotten really pissed if Natalee scratched his models's face.


I don't understand how someone can be arrested on suspicion of heavy battery then, POOF!  Nothing and they are free to go.  There had to be some basis for his arrest.  Why not just question him as a witness if he is not involved?  Why the arrest with the gruesome title, etc.

I think we know who and what but we don't know how or where.

But how could there be a basis for all these arrests then absolutely nothing ever comes of any of it?  I don't get it.  What was the basis for the arrests in the first place and what happened to that information?

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It is a dog and pony show that appeases the media while buying them time to set the stage for the next dog and pony show.  In the interim, they have the opportunity to hear feedback on the arrest(s) to see which lies stick best in the media.  Once a lie has been determined to have sounded good in the media, they probably log it in as a fact.
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« Reply #298 on: July 25, 2007, 11:19:15 PM »

I am not exactly sure what heavy battery can include. Does anyone know?
I do know that someone can simply be charged with battery without actually
touching the other person. If you pull on someones coat sleeve for example in attempting to keep them from leaving you can be charged with battery.
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« Reply #299 on: July 25, 2007, 11:20:28 PM »

I know this has been discussed but I think this very well may be a truthfull post...IMO

I have heard you mention blacklabel .. is this he/she?

bakablGuest Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 1:00 am Post subject:

Natalee Holloway Questions to be asked of the Two Men

Frist Im vary sorry to hear of the vary sad case of Natalee Holloway in such a wonderful place like Aruba but it could happen anywere at any time.

There are a few questions that need to be asked of the two men that the FBI are questioning -

1st ask them about the drink that was given to Natalee around 3:15am Aruba Time the morring Natalee never retyrn to her hotel and ask them about what the drug was in the drink that Natalee drunk without her knowing.

2nd ask them about the boat and the 2-1/2 mile trip they took. They should break dowm and tell the truth about are were Natalee can be found.

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