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« Reply #300 on: July 25, 2007, 11:20:36 PM »

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It is a dog and pony show that appeases the media while buying them time to set the stage for the next dog and pony show.  In the interim, they have the opportunity to hear feedback on the arrest(s) to see which lies stick best in the media.  Once a lie has been determined to have sounded good in the media, they probably log it in as a fact.


I agree--it's a misinformation campaign. Look at all the conflicting stories and timelines we have about a timespan of a few hours (not to mention rumors about crime or burial scenes all over the island)--we don't know what to believe.
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« Reply #301 on: July 25, 2007, 11:25:46 PM »

It was fun, monkeys--I love being on here at night. I have to go now so my husband can use the computer to practice law. I may be back in a few minutes. Hope so!
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« Reply #302 on: July 25, 2007, 11:28:27 PM »

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It is a dog and pony show that appeases the media while buying them time to set the stage for the next dog and pony show.  In the interim, they have the opportunity to hear feedback on the arrest(s) to see which lies stick best in the media.  Once a lie has been determined to have sounded good in the media, they probably log it in as a fact.


I agree--it's a misinformation campaign. Look at all the conflicting stories and timelines we have about a timespan of a few hours (not to mention rumors about crime or burial scenes all over the island)--we don't know what to believe.


Although i say that, there very well may be reason to have linked Guido to these charges.
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« Reply #303 on: July 25, 2007, 11:31:53 PM »

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It was fun, monkeys--I love being on here at night. I have to go now so my husband can use the computer to practice law. I may be back in a few minutes. Hope so!
Do you think he might be able to tell me the difference between battery and heavy battery?
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« Reply #304 on: July 25, 2007, 11:32:05 PM »

if PVDS had contact twice that night/morning how in the hell did they release him as a suspect???????????  Twisted Evil  Twisted Evil  Twisted Evil
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« Reply #305 on: July 25, 2007, 11:34:07 PM »

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if PVDS had contact twice that night/morning how in the hell did they release him as a suspect???????????  Twisted Evil  Twisted Evil  Twisted Evil


It's my understanding that particular information had not been presented to a judge prior.  KJ was holding out.  It was only presented to deny PVDS compensation.
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« Reply #306 on: July 25, 2007, 11:34:24 PM »

Gut feelings tell me that a pool party / cozy apartment setting would have been first choice after leaving the bar. As one poster said - it was an environment they were very familiar with.

If people say that friends parked behind the wall of the VDS property and hopped the wall to enter the property, is it completely out of the question to think that while a drugged Natalee attempted to climb the back wall of the property that she could have suffered terrible injuries in the process?
I can't say that I have seen this idea proposed.
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« Reply #307 on: July 25, 2007, 11:37:14 PM »

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if PVDS had contact twice that night/morning how in the hell did they release him as a suspect???????????  Twisted Evil  Twisted Evil  Twisted Evil


It's my understanding that particular information had not been presented to a judge prior.  KJ was holding out.  It was only presented to deny PVDS compensation.


Thanks Klaas!!  Got to give it up for tonite..exhausted....but may we all live to fight another day......nite Monks
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« Reply #308 on: July 25, 2007, 11:37:30 PM »

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Perhaps the rocks were not the actually location of the original assault but the end of it all . . . any thoughts?


the end of it all..... meaning what. VDS house to rocks.

it is hard for to imagine young men (18-25) filming such a thing. as if drugging and raping isn't hard enough to believe. Filming.. it could be true... but I have a hard time inserting this into the story. am i wrong?


Yes, I am sorry to say you are wrong. There are numerous amateur online porn sites ie Bangbus.com


I have seen these sites. Aren't the girls at least awake, as opposed to a nodding in and out Natalee. Would make for a bad video, in my opinion.
Or, was this a beginning to future lies concerning her being on the verge of having adverse reaction to alcohol and her supposed drugs(fabricated also), subsequently leading to her death?

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There are rape videos at those sites as well.  Just saying.  Don't believe for a minute that these boys weren't into filming and distributing their amateur porn flicks.[/quote]

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I believe they were filming it to sell for a profit.  I also believe there is a Florida connection in this.  Freddy's brother Ernesto.
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« Reply #309 on: July 25, 2007, 11:37:54 PM »

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Gut feelings tell me that a pool party / cozy apartment setting would have been first choice after leaving the bar. As one poster said - it was an environment they were very familiar with.

If people say that friends parked behind the wall of the VDS property and hopped the wall to enter the property, is it completely out of the question to think that while a drugged Natalee attempted to climb the back wall of the property that she could have suffered terrible injuries in the process?
I can't say that I have seen this idea proposed.

Could have but I don't think Natalee would willingly climb the wall at the Sloot home to go to a party on her last night in Aruba.  It doesn't make sense.
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« Reply #310 on: July 25, 2007, 11:41:12 PM »

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if PVDS had contact twice that night/morning how in the hell did they release him as a suspect???????????  Twisted Evil  Twisted Evil  Twisted Evil

Because he has friends in high places Mad
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« Reply #311 on: July 25, 2007, 11:41:49 PM »

I have read here connections to Mr. Pink, etc.. I do not think these kids got lucky enough to video and have sick fun with Natalee as she was in no shape to provide such entertainment for their sick minds on that night.

Some of these 'higher ups', it would make sense, would distance themselves from these young men, who they may have associated with in the past.  These older men were most likely involved in white collar criminal acitivity, and were smart enogh to realize that lots of money was at stake, subsequently, they turned their backs to the PIMPS so as to not be involved and associated with this case.  This case would catapult them into the limelight - a place I am sure they did not want to place themselves.
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« Reply #312 on: July 25, 2007, 11:42:30 PM »

I know I am very repetative in my posting of Dutchlady posts.......but this one rings true to me.

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It is also the case that the beach was a later alibi as was the lighthouse one, as distancing from the home of Joran who had unlimited access. No kids shits on the beach if he has a bog at home. To graphic, then listen to kids of that age in school. No man or boy of over 16 would think of peeing in a gutter or laying in a tourism place as an alternative to his own drink parlour and bog. Yes, the words come as easily as other predators I have listened too, and what they do is tell a good story in their mind and regurtitate it. It takes a snake to catch a snake. The snake is not Joran, yes he has in my opinion lashed out at Natalee for some reason, but the duality of this is the repetition and stage management so that has to be a more older adult. He is procuring for someone else and simple bragging because he joins in on the action as a forensic cue from his own photos on the web.
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« Reply #313 on: July 25, 2007, 11:44:46 PM »

Oldfart,

Someone may have already answered you, but when I just tried to search BT* or bt*, nothing was returned for Posts.  

Hi, all, I'm reading way back, so I'm not sure when I'll catch up.
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« Reply #314 on: July 25, 2007, 11:46:51 PM »

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Gut feelings tell me that a pool party / cozy apartment setting would have been first choice after leaving the bar. As one poster said - it was an environment they were very familiar with.

If people say that friends parked behind the wall of the VDS property and hopped the wall to enter the property, is it completely out of the question to think that while a drugged Natalee attempted to climb the back wall of the property that she could have suffered terrible injuries in the process?
I can't say that I have seen this idea proposed.

Joran wouldn't have went to no other place but his home that night.  He had it all planned out.  It was too convenient to pass up with Anita being gone.
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« Reply #315 on: July 25, 2007, 11:49:18 PM »

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Oldfart,

Someone may have already answered you, but when I just tried to search BT* or bt*, nothing was returned for Posts.  

Hi, all, I'm reading way back, so I'm not sure when I'll catch up.


Is OF looking for San Fran day 2 posted in the lounge by BT. I didn't see it earlier but it's up now. What a hoot......
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« Reply #316 on: July 25, 2007, 11:49:51 PM »

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I have been reading through the legal doc on BFN

Who is this person and why would they be given Urine samples to FBI in this case



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Other FBI DOCS

Nameffitle/Description: Hayley Carroro Sagona
Date: 06/06/2005
Pages: 3
File #: 163a-bb-1426
Location: Jamaica, NY
Writer/Initiator: SA Gregory T. Mchugh

Name,Title/Description: Hayley Sagona (urine samples)
Date: 06/07/2005
Pages: 1
File #: 163a-bb-1426
Location: Huntington NY
Writer


I don't think  anyone knows.  She may have been someone that came forward saying she thought she'd been drugged?  We really don't know.


I just found this in there too
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File #: 163a-bb-1426
Location: Huntington NY
Writer/Initiaton Nurse Marie 0' Brain
Name/Title/Description: Interview with Tracey Allan
Date: 06/09/2005
Pages: 1

Same place Huntington NY..  just seems odd .. to me


Hey all ya'll!

The file number looks interesting........

Goodnight!



Maybe this is why? See Post #4

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?goto=lastpost&t=46659

Same case #
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« Reply #317 on: July 25, 2007, 11:50:17 PM »

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I have read here connections to Mr. Pink, etc.. I do not think these kids got lucky enough to video and have sick fun with Natalee as she was in no shape to provide such entertainment for their sick minds on that night.

Some of these 'higher ups', it would make sense, would distance themselves from these young men, who they may have associated with in the past.  These older men were most likely involved in white collar criminal acitivity, and were smart enogh to realize that lots of money was at stake, subsequently, they turned their backs to the PIMPS so as to not be involved and associated with this case.  This case would catapult them into the limelight - a place I am sure they did not want to place themselves.

The only person who involved the "higher Ups" was Paulus.

I disagree with you about these kids not getting lucky enough to video their actions.  They did video or take pictures of what they did.  Paulus made a special trip to Florida and I believe it had to do with these pictures.
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« Reply #318 on: July 25, 2007, 11:50:41 PM »

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Gut feelings tell me that a pool party / cozy apartment setting would have been first choice after leaving the bar. As one poster said - it was an environment they were very familiar with.

If people say that friends parked behind the wall of the VDS property and hopped the wall to enter the property, is it completely out of the question to think that while a drugged Natalee attempted to climb the back wall of the property that she could have suffered terrible injuries in the process?
I can't say that I have seen this idea proposed.

Could have but I don't think Natalee would willingly climb the wall at the Sloot home to go to a party on her last night in Aruba.  It doesn't make sense.


In a rented vehicle, I drove to the VDS residence while vacationing in Aruba. These climbing the wall stories make sense.  Otherwise, entering the residence involves driving through their main gate.  J2K were probably trying to be somewhat discreet at that time of night (was Paulus even home??)  Do you think Joran really had to sneak out, or were his parents used to him leaving his home at 11PM on a school night ? I have never given it much thought until now. If he snuck out, parking out back and climbing the wall makes sense to re-enter the residence.
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« Reply #319 on: July 25, 2007, 11:54:06 PM »

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Gut feelings tell me that a pool party / cozy apartment setting would have been first choice after leaving the bar. As one poster said - it was an environment they were very familiar with.

If people say that friends parked behind the wall of the VDS property and hopped the wall to enter the property, is it completely out of the question to think that while a drugged Natalee attempted to climb the back wall of the property that she could have suffered terrible injuries in the process?
I can't say that I have seen this idea proposed.

Could have but I don't think Natalee would willingly climb the wall at the Sloot home to go to a party on her last night in Aruba.  It doesn't make sense.


In a rented vehicle, I drove to the VDS residence while vacationing in Aruba. These climbing the wall stories make sense.  Otherwise, entering the residence involves driving through their main gate.  J2K were probably trying to be somewhat discreet at that time of night (was Paulus even home??)  Do you think Joran really had to sneak out, or were his parents used to him leaving his home at 11PM on a school night ? I have never given it much thought until now. If he snuck out, parking out back and climbing the wall makes sense to re-enter the residence.


I agree, I just can't see Natalee wanting to do this.  If she was drugged and pushed over the wall maybe.
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