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« Reply #440 on: July 26, 2007, 11:28:45 AM »

I see.  Thode is just giving his opinion on Aruban law.  Who cares!  They didn't bring their law suit in Aruba.  They chose to play with the big boys in U.S. law!

This has got to be costing someone some BIG bucks!
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« Reply #441 on: July 26, 2007, 11:29:18 AM »

Kimmy - I posted pretty much the same thing in the MLounge!  it was amazing for Peaches to be lifting us up today!!

Beachwego... I see you lurking... HEY!  good to see you...
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« Reply #442 on: July 26, 2007, 11:30:23 AM »

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Oh Peaches,miracles do happen.


Good morning all.  I was just reading along, catching up and wanted to comment on Tiger's post.  

Yes, I believe miracles happen too. Peaches, you sound like you have your heart and mind in the right place, set for healing.  Love you a lot and appreciate your posts and positive outlook.  It is contagious Smile  Smile
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« Reply #443 on: July 26, 2007, 11:30:52 AM »

Easy,
Seems like this one will be tossed due to "our system".

Lala's... it had to do with Joran being at school the next day.. I believe ANNA is the one that posted about that... how joran knew she wasn't alive.
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« Reply #444 on: July 26, 2007, 11:34:06 AM »

I posted this the other day ...

There are two ways to live: you can live as if nothing is a miracle; you can live as if everything is a miracle.
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« Reply #445 on: July 26, 2007, 11:36:50 AM »

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Oh Peaches,miracles do happen.


Yes Peaches...they really really do!

Thank You for such a life inspiring post.

Blessings and Prayers for You...

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« Reply #446 on: July 26, 2007, 11:38:58 AM »

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Morning, Monkeys,

At one time, we had the name of the concrete company at RWV.  Granny Toad was one of a team of really good researchers and thinkers.  She lasted longer than most of us, LOL.  I believe that someone actually posted a copy of the invoice, too.

So much lost with computer crashes, mystery deletions and time.  Guess that's the idea so as to make this impossible to prosecute.  

But until that concrete is dug up, I will never consider the Sloot compound as having been truly searched even though I will readily admit there may be nothing there.

Not one bit of this investigation has been done accordng to anything I have ever seen before.  Not one!


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I agree Anna.  I have no faith that the KLPD is doing the right thing but that doesn't mean I give up.

Our FBI knows exactly what happened and I will keep my faith in them that they will come through one day and blow the top off Aruba.
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« Reply #447 on: July 26, 2007, 11:47:46 AM »

In case some have forgotten with the push by the disinformation team placing blame on the victim:

JORAN - JUNE 13TH 2005 SUSPECT STATEMENT report by Jan van der Straten

Proces-verbaal findings

I, Jan van der STRATEN, police chief with the Aruban Police Corps, state the following.

On Monday June 13th 2005, at approximately 13.00 hours I spoke informally with the suspect Joran Andreas Petrus v/d SLOOT at the police station in Oranjestad.

On my question to Joran whether he can tell me what happened after the girl had fallen asleep on the beach near Fisherman's Hut, he answered:

I called DEEPAK and he came with two dogs. I think he raped the girl and did something to her.

To my question where the girl was buried then, he answered:
I think that it was buried then next to the wall of the Fisherman's Hut, for the rest I would not know either.


During the conversation Joran showed differing emotions. Sometimes he cried, sometimes he was direct in his answers.

Joran also indicated that he was very sorry for his family and that he had the best contact with his father.

When I asked him why did he lie to his father about the Holiday Inn, Joran answered that he had disappointed his father in/with that.

Of this I reported on my oath as officer on June 17th 2005.


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« Reply #448 on: July 26, 2007, 11:50:03 AM »

I think the plaintiffs want to use Thode as an expert witness under their rules.  Dr. Phil's attorney is saying Thode isn't' qualified to be an expert witness and why.

I only read a little about Thode.  Book smart.  No actual experience.  

In the end, whatever evidence Thode supposedly possessed was deemed "not competent to support Plaintiff's Opposition".  

Probably sounded like an expert to somebody...... Rolling Eyes
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« Reply #449 on: July 26, 2007, 11:52:00 AM »

Thank you Mrs. Red.  Was that Anna's post, I am sorry.  I have been back looking, but I didn't find it.  

Anna, if it was your post, do you have any idea where we came up with the information?  Was it in and interview or reported on television?  TIA
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« Reply #450 on: July 26, 2007, 11:55:43 AM »

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I see.  Thode is just giving his opinion on Aruban law.  Who cares!  They didn't bring their law suit in Aruba.  They chose to play with the big boys in U.S. law!

This has got to be costing someone some BIG bucks!


I wonder if the lawyers in Aruba do cases on a contigency basis.  Bet not.
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« Reply #451 on: July 26, 2007, 11:59:06 AM »

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When reading archives I found a post by arubagirl where she stated that Anita would not have to answer any questions or give details that would be negative towards Paulus...I'm just wondering if the same would hold true with the younger sons....will have to try to find the post....if it was front page...will let Klaas or San know for a copy & paste....

I find this to be a convenient excuse by Aruba.  If it wasn't a law then in Aruba it's a law now. Rolling Eyes


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If Jug said that, and AvdS is going to be detained, then I guess we know who's running the show.

AvdS wasn't on the island, so she couldn't see/hear anything. And anything that JvdS told her she doesn't have to reveal, so basically, there is no point._________________
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« Reply #452 on: July 26, 2007, 12:01:11 PM »

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WOW

Hammer bursts into poem

Now I have seen it all !!!


 Laughing  Laughing  Laughing

Just kidding, nice job Hammer


Wasn't that awesome!  What a way to close out the day.  I think I shall be expecting one of those each evening from now on.  Hammer?

Good Morning everybody!!  Can't believe I just woke up.  Hot shower and Advil take me away.

Sharon  How cool is that about you and 2NJ.  Ya'll have a wonderful time, and we'll be expecting a full report!  Pictures and everything.  Laughing  Laughing
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« Reply #453 on: July 26, 2007, 12:02:21 PM »

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Thank you Mrs. Red.  Was that Anna's post, I am sorry.  I have been back looking, but I didn't find it.  

Anna, if it was your post, do you have any idea where we came up with the information?  Was it in and interview or reported on television?  TIA



Granny Toad posted recently about how she and I did a very detailed summary of the first 24 hours back in Sept 2005.  The sources were classmates of Joran, headmaster, Jug, etc.  There was also an interview of the HM which was never posted on the internet to my knowledge.  I don't remember the channel it was on but think it was Discovery for some reason.  Was not a regular news channel.  That is where I got the Spanish Lagoon idea.

I don't keep many files any more and she doesn't either.  I have posted segments of it here many times but they are usually rejected out of hand.  Recently Dave made the casual comment he doesn't think Joran was at school on Monday.  That is not what his classmates said at the time but I am sure it would be used to refute anything I have to say on the matter.

You can get most of the first day from the interviews of Jug in regard to what the headmaster told his friends when they went to the school that Joran attended to put up the posters about Natalee being missing.

Hope that helps.

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« Reply #454 on: July 26, 2007, 12:03:06 PM »

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When reading archives I found a post by arubagirl where she stated that Anita would not have to answer any questions or give details that would be negative towards Paulus...I'm just wondering if the same would hold true with the younger sons....will have to try to find the post....if it was front page...will let Klaas or San know for a copy & paste....

I find this to be a convenient excuse by Aruba.  If it wasn't a law then in Aruba it's a law now. Rolling Eyes


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If Jug said that, and AvdS is going to be detained, then I guess we know who's running the show.

AvdS wasn't on the island, so she couldn't see/hear anything. And anything that JvdS told her she doesn't have to reveal, so basically, there is no point._________________
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Oh, and obviously the post was referring to JVDS, not PVDS...my memory slipped there.
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« Reply #455 on: July 26, 2007, 12:09:35 PM »

http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/7/26/

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DETENCION PA MALTRATO SERIO CU MACHETE NA SANTA CRUZ

 
ORANJESTAD (AAN): Diaranzon merdia un caso serio a socede banda di stacion di gasoline na Santa Cruz. Esnan cu a presencia loke a socede no por a kere nan wowo, ora cu un homber a saca un machete y menaza un otro chofer.

Segun informe cu e homber di fam P, cu ta traha pa un compania local a bay tank. Na dado momento a surgi un problema ora cu e agresor tabata kier pa e homber P. hala su vehiculo. Pero e momento ey tabata dificil y imposible pa e por a hala esaki. E aggressor no a gusta y a bay na su auto regresa cu un machete.

E chofer P a baha glas pa asina atende e aggressor. E ultimo segun informe a pone e arma peligroso aki na garganta di P. Consecuentemente P. a bay tene e machete y e agresor a ranca esaki y consecuentemente pink (dede chikito) casi a worde ranca kita afor di su man.

Sanger a core formal for di e herida y mientras polis, ambulans a worde notifica mesora. Informe ta indica cu ambulans su persona a duna prome auxilio y a transporta e victima cu su dede colega rumbo pa hospital.

No ta conoci si medico specialista ciruhano plastico a logra purba pega e dede na su lugar pa asina scapa e pink di e victima. Mientras segun informe polis a detene e agressor, y e machete a worde confisca. No ta conoci si lo tin instalacion di camera na e station di gasolin cu a capta tur locual a tuma lugar.


Online Pap translation:

victima owing to lose finger
detencion for maltrato earnest cu machete at santa cruz


oranjestad (aan): diaranzon afternoon one caso earnest owing to socede near of stacion of gasoline at santa cruz. esnan cu owing to presencia thing owing to socede not can owing to believe they eye, hour cu one man owing to saca one machete y menaza one another chofer.

according informe cu he of surname P, cu is work for one compania local owing to bay tank. at dado instant owing to surgi one problem hour cu the aggressor was wanted for he therefore. wing his vehiculo. but the instant ey was dificil y imposible for her can owing to wing this. the aggressor not owing to like y owing to bay at his car return cu one machete.

the chofer therefore owing to descend glass for so atende the aggressor. the ultimo according informe owing to place the arm dangerous here at throat of therefore. consecuentemente therefore. owing to bay as the machete y the aggressor owing to ranca this y consecuentemente pink (dede chikito) casi owing to worde ranca less afor of his hand.

blood owing to core serious for of the injury y while police, ambulance owing to worde notifica at once. informe is indica cu ambulance his person owing to give first help y owing to transporta the victima cu his finger colega direction for hospital.

do not conoci if medico specialista ciruhano plastico owing to succeed try stick the finger at his lugar for so scapa the pink of the victima. while according informe police owing to detene the agressor, y the machete owing to worde confisca. do not conoci if will have instalacion of camera at the station of gasolene cu owing to capta all locual did take lugar.

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KICO TIN TRAS DI E MALTRATO DI UN GUARDIA NA SAVANETA

 
ORANJESTAD (AAN): For di vocero policial oficialmente a keda relata un caso serio cu a socede Diamars madruga.

Den oranan di marduga segun e informe policial a keda reporta via di Central di Polis, cu ta solicita presencia di patruya policial na un cas cerca di laman na Savaneta. Polis cu a presenta na e direccion a topa un Security Guard di inicialnan M.D. di 41 aa. E homber segun polis a observa tin un cap di mas o menos 1 centimeter na su wenkbrauw robez. E herida ta sangra basta!

For di declaracion di e victima a saca afor, cu e ta trahando como guardia di seguridad na e cas cu ta construi banda di laman. Na un dado momento segun e guardia, dos homber desconoci pe, un di e hombernan a dale cu un pida palo den su cara cu e consecuencia ariba menciona.

E palo cu un di e homber nan a usa a worde haya na un distancia, esaki a keda confisca como evidencia.

Tabata dificil pa e victima por a describi e malhechornan cu a sorprende debi na scuridad. Mientras tanto ambulans a transporta e victima pa chequeo medico. E caso ta bao di investigacion pa determina kico tin tras di e sosedido.


Online Pap translation:

past owing to stroba malhechornan throw stop
kico have behind the maltrato of one guardia at savaneta


oranjestad (aan): for of vocero policial oficialmente owing to stay relata one caso earnest cu owing to socede tuesday madruga.

in oranan of marduga according the informe policial owing to stay reporta via of central of police, cu is solicita presencia of patrol policial at one cas close of sea at savaneta. police cu owing to present at the direccion owing to come across one security guard of inicialnan m.d. of 41 year. he according police owing to observa have one cap of more or less 1 centimeter at his wenkbrauw robez. the injury is bleed enough!

for of declaracion of the victima owing to saca afor, cu the is trahando because; guardia of seguridad at the cas cu is construi near of sea. at one dado instant according the guardia, two man desconoci pe, one of the hombernan owing to dale cu one piece tree in his cara cu the consecuencia upstairs menciona.

the tree cu one of he they owing to using owing to worde achieve at one distancia, this owing to stay confisca because; evidencia.

was dificil for her victima can owing to describi the malhechornan cu owing to sorprende debi at scuridad. all the time ambulance owing to transporta the victima for chequeo medico. the caso is bao of investigacion for determina kico have behind the sosedido.

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« Reply #456 on: July 26, 2007, 12:09:58 PM »

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Morning, Monkeys,

At one time, we had the name of the concrete company at RWV.  Granny Toad was one of a team of really good researchers and thinkers.  She lasted longer than most of us, LOL.  I believe that someone actually posted a copy of the invoice, too.

So much lost with computer crashes, mystery deletions and time.  Guess that's the idea so as to make this impossible to prosecute.  

But until that concrete is dug up, I will never consider the Sloot compound as having been truly searched even though I will readily admit there may be nothing there.

Not one bit of this investigation has been done accordng to anything I have ever seen before.  Not one!



wasnt it some pool company that did the concrete work?
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« Reply #457 on: July 26, 2007, 12:14:34 PM »

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When reading archives I found a post by arubagirl where she stated that Anita would not have to answer any questions or give details that would be negative towards Paulus...I'm just wondering if the same would hold true with the younger sons....will have to try to find the post....if it was front page...will let Klaas or San know for a copy & paste....

I find this to be a convenient excuse by Aruba.  If it wasn't a law then in Aruba it's a law now. Rolling Eyes


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If Jug said that, and AvdS is going to be detained, then I guess we know who's running the show.

AvdS wasn't on the island, so she couldn't see/hear anything. And anything that JvdS told her she doesn't have to reveal, so basically, there is no point._________________
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Thanks 2NJSons.  What I was referring to was why the two sons weren't interrogated.  Paulus dragged both of them into their alibi by mentioning them in their PV's.  Paulus said the youngest son was with a family friend and he was dropping him off at home so he had to be there when he got home.  He also said he made sure they got on the school bus.

A simple question to the boys would have been were you at your friends house and the other would have been did you go to school Monday and Tuesday and was your brother Joran with you.

If you can use them as your alibi then they should be questioned.

In my opinion they won't be questioned because they were not home and if they are caught lying they would be in trouble.

They will not risk this because I believe there is evidence that proves the boys were in Holland with Anita.
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« Reply #458 on: July 26, 2007, 12:14:46 PM »

Morning monkeys. I'm peeking in from a training room to say hello. Our first speaker of the day is stuck in traffic on the Golden Gate bridge and thinks she will be at least 30 minutes late.  Rolling Eyes
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« Reply #459 on: July 26, 2007, 12:15:31 PM »

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wasnt it some pool company that did the concrete work?


From memory, of course, but no.  The concrete was an add on done later.  I remember it as a concrete and backhoe company.  JMO, of course.  Don't have the hard drive any more it was saved on, fried, etc.



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