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« Reply #500 on: July 26, 2007, 01:08:27 PM »

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Remember Joran was up extremely late on Monday night as well...What time did he get to bed on that night? The next day could also be the day he was sleeping at school.


And saying she hit her head on a rock after he had told the HI story the night before?  I don't think that is likely but JMO, sure don't mean to fight or anything.

So it was after he told HT the HI story he went to school and said Natalee hit her head on a rock?  

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« Reply #501 on: July 26, 2007, 01:11:47 PM »

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so back to the cement are some still considering maybe Natalee
is under cement or something that belongs to her..


My opinion is, if I were the lead investigator in this case and was looking for clues as to what happened to Natalee, the very first place I would look is under that concrete.  This is by far one of the most suspicious things the Sloots could have done while being suspects in this case.


Yes but to determine what is new cement and what was prior..
I know for FACT as I have installed a inground pool in my back yard
that once the pool is in ground and the pipes are complete they pack the remainder with sand that they pour a minimum of a 3 foot skirt around the pool as that is what helps hold the pool in the ground they even pour the concrete under the edges of pool 1/2 foot thick or more.. so I would say if there is any evidence it is more then 3 feet away from that Pool


Hi Sue,  I think they are suggesting it is under the cool decking, or the expanded cool decking.  I think it reasonably could be under the immediate cool decking as well.  (we have built 3 pools) JMO
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« Reply #502 on: July 26, 2007, 01:14:19 PM »

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« Reply #503 on: July 26, 2007, 01:20:57 PM »

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I believe that Glen Thode is just some dude maybe a lawyer in Aruba who wrote a letter to the judge in the slander case stating that Aruba has some ridiculous law (article 45 or some nonsense) that Deepak is trying to use to his advantage.  Basically the law says Deepak doesnt have to share any information he doesnt want to.

I don't care what the laws are in Aruba when you are here in the U.S. using our judicial system for your own benefit.  He can shove that Aruba law where the sun don't shine.


Hey dont shoot the messenger!!!

I'm just answering the question about this Thode BS

I wasn't shooting the messenger Blah.  I was just irritated at these people and their so called laws.
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« Reply #504 on: July 26, 2007, 01:26:55 PM »

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Remember Joran was up extremely late on Monday night as well...What time did he get to bed on that night? The next day could also be the day he was sleeping at school.


And saying she hit her head on a rock after he had told the HI story the night before?  I don't think that is likely but JMO, sure don't mean to fight or anything.

So it was after he told HT the HI story he went to school and said Natalee hit her head on a rock?  

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You have a point but why would he tell that story in the first place? Also I never said he told that story the day after he told the family he dropped her off at the HI. My point was that he was up all night again!! How much sleep did he get that night 2 hours?
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« Reply #505 on: July 26, 2007, 01:26:59 PM »

I don't think Joran went to school on Moday...and I agree with whomever said it was Tues he was sleeping in class.

I also think he was at Lorenzo's house until very early Monday Morn....and, Why did Papa sloot claim he dropped off Joran near Lorenzo house to catch the school bus Monday morn?   Cuz Papa sloot was there too...came up with this story/lie in the event someone saw his car/him in that area. JMOHO.

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« Reply #506 on: July 26, 2007, 01:27:54 PM »

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I don't think Joran went to school on Moday...and I agree with whomever said it was Tues he was sleeping in class.

I also think he was at Lorenzo's house until very early Monday Morn....and, Why did Papa sloot claim he dropped off Joran near Lorenzo house to catch the school bus Monday morn?   Cuz Papa sloot was there too...came up with this story/lie in the event someone saw his car/him in that area. JMOHO.

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« Reply #507 on: July 26, 2007, 01:34:05 PM »

From:
http://members.aol.com/WorldJOURNIER/NATALEE/2005_05_24_thru_may31.html

Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT brags at school to his friends about having sex with NATALEE. From the DUTCH news source “AD.nl”:

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The next day at school, Joran arrogantly bragged to several of his school buddies who had been at the “Excelsior Casino” (and some who were at “Carlos 'N Charlie's”) and had seen Natalee with him, words to this effect, “Hey, I banged that girl last night.” He was telling the story several times [as he would see guys who had seen him the night before.… guys ask things like... “Did you score with that chick?” MY INSERTION] and he would give them his report.

But, then the schoolmaster called him in and told him to not be talking that way, because it is ‘on the news that she never made it back to the hotel.’ So, Joran (shocked by that news) quit telling of his conquest immediately.

<END QUOTE>

Also, the morning after NH disappeared [May 30, 2005], Joran came with a big bruise on his face and was sleeping in class and could only be woken up when he was pelted with (note?)books.

On 7-15 FOX News GRETA VAN SUSTEREN reported that she had spoken to the mother of a school student male witness about Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT showing up at school the morning of 5-30 with a very noticeable bruise on his facial cheek.

On 7-15 BETH HOLLOWAY-TWITTY stated that an Aruban woman had called her said she just wanted to make sure that BETH knew that Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT had a bruise on his face the morning of 5-30 at school. On 7-15 TITO LACLE reported to FOX News that a colleague reporter had gone to Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT’s school on 6-9 to ask about Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT. When TITO LACLE’s colleague asked about Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT to a person at the school he was told, “Oh, you mean that boy with the bruise.”


Not sure if any of this is considered "reliable" or "verified" but it what I found in a quick search.
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« Reply #508 on: July 26, 2007, 01:38:15 PM »

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Remember Joran was up extremely late on Monday night as well...What time did he get to bed on that night? The next day could also be the day he was sleeping at school.


And saying she hit her head on a rock after he had told the HI story the night before?  I don't think that is likely but JMO, sure don't mean to fight or anything.

So it was after he told HT the HI story he went to school and said Natalee hit her head on a rock?  

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You have a point but why would he tell that story in the first place? Also I never said he told that story the day after he told the family he dropped her off at the HI. My point was that he was up all night again!! How much sleep did he get that night 2 hours?


*******, you forget that he's young, and he has drugs.  He's very capable of going on 2 hours sleep ocasionally and then catching up later.  A little blow and he's good to go. (Crude, I know.)
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« Reply #509 on: July 26, 2007, 01:38:43 PM »

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I don't think Joran went to school on Moday...and I agree with whomever said it was Tues he was sleeping in class.

I also think he was at Lorenzo's house until very early Monday Morn....and, Why did Papa sloot claim he dropped off Joran near Lorenzo house to catch the school bus Monday morn?   Cuz Papa sloot was there too...came up with this story/lie in the event someone saw his car/him in that area. JMOHO.

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« Reply #510 on: July 26, 2007, 01:41:47 PM »

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From:
http://members.aol.com/WorldJOURNIER/NATALEE/2005_05_24_thru_may31.html

Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT brags at school to his friends about having sex with NATALEE. From the DUTCH news source “AD.nl”:

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The next day at school, Joran arrogantly bragged to several of his school buddies who had been at the “Excelsior Casino” (and some who were at “Carlos 'N Charlie's”) and had seen Natalee with him, words to this effect, “Hey, I banged that girl last night.” He was telling the story several times [as he would see guys who had seen him the night before.… guys ask things like... “Did you score with that chick?” MY INSERTION] and he would give them his report.

But, then the schoolmaster called him in and told him to not be talking that way, because it is ‘on the news that she never made it back to the hotel.’ So, Joran (shocked by that news) quit telling of his conquest immediately.

<END QUOTE>

Also, the morning after NH disappeared [May 30, 2005], Joran came with a big bruise on his face and was sleeping in class and could only be woken up when he was pelted with (note?)books.

On 7-15 FOX News GRETA VAN SUSTEREN reported that she had spoken to the mother of a school student male witness about Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT showing up at school the morning of 5-30 with a very noticeable bruise on his facial cheek.

On 7-15 BETH HOLLOWAY-TWITTY stated that an Aruban woman had called her said she just wanted to make sure that BETH knew that Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT had a bruise on his face the morning of 5-30 at school. On 7-15 TITO LACLE reported to FOX News that a colleague reporter had gone to Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT’s school on 6-9 to ask about Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT. When TITO LACLE’s colleague asked about Prime Murder Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT to a person at the school he was told, “Oh, you mean that boy with the bruise.”


Not sure if any of this is considered "reliable" or "verified" but it what I found in a quick search.


Thank You AZlady!

Yes...this does give me a lot to work with....with all the conflicting stories...I'll let my head spin awhile over what you posted  Very Happy

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« Reply #511 on: July 26, 2007, 01:47:35 PM »

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You have a point but why would he tell that story in the first place? Also I never said he told that story the day after he told the family he dropped her off at the HI. My point was that he was up all night again!! How much sleep did he get that night 2 hours?


*******, you forget that he's young, and he has drugs.  He's very capable of going on 2 hours sleep ocasionally and then catching up later.  A little blow and he's good to go. (Crude, I know.)


LOL!! Yeh when I was his age I could pull all nighters no problem Wink I think the kid dabbled in X and MJ not so he was using coke. Even though its all over that island!!
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« Reply #512 on: July 26, 2007, 01:47:53 PM »

Time for me to run and get my 10 day labs done.....10 days after chemo to see if my blood counts are recovering.  I feel pretty good so this is just routine.

Surely they have attendance records at ISA.....
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« Reply #513 on: July 26, 2007, 02:07:45 PM »

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Remember Joran was up extremely late on Monday night as well...What time did he get to bed on that night? The next day could also be the day he was sleeping at school.


I would find it believable he was sleeping any chance he got both days but you say THE day, *******.  That would seem to imply that there was only one and it was Tuesday.

Maybe you would accept that information about hitting her head better from Hammer than you do from me.  Try him as your source.  

I know what I know and it's just not logical to say Joran was at school on Tuesday after dealing with the Alabama delegation all night still bragging and saying she hit her head because by Tuesday they had the HI story.  As Hammer says, only that Monday does Joran say Natalee was dead and that was before the big meeting around the pool and the arrival of HT and the HI story.

It couldn't have happened on Tuesday, too late.  But this is why I don't like to talk about this subject and like all the others, will no longer do so.  Think whatever you like but it is just not logical he was telling she hit her head on the rock AFTER they had the HI story in place.  The only day he could have been telling that would have been Monday.

I guess some can't follow that line of thought which is fine.  What does it matter in the big picture of what happened to Natalee anyway.

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« Reply #514 on: July 26, 2007, 02:09:15 PM »

Good afternoon,

I wonder things like

We see a still of the car shortly after it left C&C's.

If they drove around C&C's 2 times, why do we not see a still for the 2nd time? Let me guess, they made a turn.

How do we know that where the gardener saw them at 2:30 is not the crime scene? IMO, what happened to Natalee happened quickly, how did the 3 know that someone wasn't out looking for Natalee when she didn't return to the HI when everyone else did?

pvds doesn't know j is out Sunday night, but he knows j is out Monday night, both school nights.

No one near the vds home sees or hears anything on Sunday night, but Monday night a neighbor tells d to turn the radio down. Could it be no one ask them? Even he admits he was there.  He picked j up. Loud pipes are always loud.

The 3 telling the HI in story tells me that is where Natalee thought she was going. How did d and s know that Natalee was staying at the HI to tell the story to begin with? There has been to my knowledge no one mention seeing d or s from all the "earlier in the week" stuff. Could be wrong I know. I have been wrong before.

I can't get past point A C&C's because of all the lies. Designed to be that way imo, lie, confuse and lie some more.

Oh well, these are just some of things that go round and round in my head. I always start with C&C's and can't get any further.
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« Reply #515 on: July 26, 2007, 02:14:47 PM »

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*******, you forget that he's young, and he has drugs.  He's very capable of going on 2 hours sleep ocasionally and then catching up later.  A little blow and he's good to go. (Crude, I know.)


LOL!! Yeh when I was his age I could pull all nighters no problem Wink I think the kid dabbled in X and MJ not so he was using coke. Even though its all over that island!!


I think he was sampling it all and that includes coke.  The lifestyle he was living it was unavoidable.

Just look at the coke dealers swarming around the tourists at CnC's in the video Geraldo showed.
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« Reply #516 on: July 26, 2007, 02:17:31 PM »

LOL!! Anna!! Are you writing that post to me?? I never gave my opinion on the subject..Once again all I stated was that he was up all night again on monday..You seem to like to argue with me..What's up?
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« Reply #517 on: July 26, 2007, 02:33:10 PM »

Why did j say to avds "if you were here" and yet his father was and it did?

Is avds a light sleeper or does pvds allow j to do whatever he wants, or are j & p partners in crime?

For what it is worth,

I believe j was at school on Monday.

Didn't Beth or Jug speak about it on MSN? Heck, I don't know what I know anymore.

Where is Tyler?

Anna hang in there, we need you. You have helped me.

I can't wait for Beth's book to come out.

Well, gotta run,

have a great day,

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« Reply #518 on: July 26, 2007, 02:44:42 PM »

I do not think Natalee is on the VDS property (now), but this show I watched last night sure showed a photo of a rock monument that sure does resemble Anita's style of 'art' . I understsand that at the VDS it is a fountain, but just the sight of this photo in the below link gave me chills.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16553112/

A cairn of some sort—a monument.
In there, under those stones, was a terrible puzzle...
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« Reply #519 on: July 26, 2007, 02:54:13 PM »

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LOL!! Anna!! Are you writing that post to me?? I never gave my opinion on the subject..Once again all I stated was that he was up all night again on monday..You seem to like to argue with me..What's up?


No, you posted that the next day could be THE day, implying I have my days mixed up or could be doing so.

I am not.  We verified it.  "Some of us were paying attention" you know.  Learn to state your opinion without discrediting that of another.  It's called manners.

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