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« Reply #640 on: July 26, 2007, 05:32:21 PM »

Ok Found some RENHO crap finally.. FWIW oh and Joran and school again..


Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 9:00 am    Post subject:    

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did anyone else find it strange that julia renfro was almost praising steve croes? like sickly gushing over him , also, i know i read here somewhere a meeting with the headmaster, joran and jorans dad that said that he came in late that morning.

if joran was in school and on time then why wont his father confirm whether or not he was in school and on time?


Yes---said he was a "sweet" guy---she as usual spun it and forgot to mention he lied. We are suppoesed to believe according to her, that SC "just wanted to meet" deepak and offered up a false statement to LE in order to be with him.
Julia spins alot of things. especially about joran. That is why I think someone other than julia should confirm the school/exam/bus ride story. joran's own dad didn't remember waking joran up that am for school.

 
 
 
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why did someone have to bring up julie renfro????

can you say on the payroll? he was such a sweet guy? he just wanted to meet deepak? what is he 12? give me a break....he lied, he obstructed justice........hey julie, wake up!!!!

each day this goes one it gets more and more unbelievable how there is something seriously shady here.
 
 






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« Reply #641 on: July 26, 2007, 05:43:52 PM »

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Quote from: "San"
I'm here now shadow I stepped away for a few minutes.  There seems to be some sory of connection in Florida.  You are right John Charles Croes could be the link.  We don't know exactly what Deepak told him because I believe those records are missing information.  I also believe the link could be through Ernesto who is Freddy's older brother.  This guy has high end customers and might some of his customers want a certain video.  Did Paulus fly to Florida to squash or seek help regarding these videos.  I remember Ernesto making a comment saying you had to have connections to make it in his business and he had the connections.  We have not heard a peep from Ernesto since all this happened.


Wasn't John Charles Croes the person Deepak was IMing when he got home from doing whatever that fateful night?

If he did IM and the subject matter was a porn video of Natalee, that could suggest that Deepak didn't know everything and was sent home or left before the whole story played out. (I think that because, clearly, why would he contact a porn-connected friend if he'd just made a sex tape of a girl who later died?) Just speculating here...

I think Deepak witnessed something very bad and the transportation of a porn video that night was the last thing on his mind.  Now if you ask me if Freddy or Joran might have done this I would say it's highly possible.  Let's not forget that Deepak was seen outside his house with two other people washing his car.  Yes Deepak might have not known the final outcome but he knew it was bad and it was bad enough for Paulus to send him home to start the alibi and clean up the evidence (his car).  That alibi would not consist of the transmission of a video on his computer.  Joran was the one downloading porn and those records were tinkered with also.  Who would have been in this position to transmit the video.  In one of his PV's Deepak said they went to Freddy's to return the camera.  Could Deepak have done this the next day after realizing what type of film he had in his possession (snuff).  Did he do this at the internet cafe.  Just thinking here.
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« Reply #642 on: July 26, 2007, 05:46:52 PM »

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Quote from: "tcumom"
Angie and Muffy ~ I'm  Laughing 'cause y'all posted at the same time! ha.
Okay, I guess I'll go with dog food and let it go....I have no recollection of that.  Embarassed  :oops

Thanks for answering.  Very Happy  Very Happy


I saw Angie and I posted at same time.   Smile  Smile Who REALLY knows what was or wasn't picked up or delivered in the truck.  Even if someone produced a bill of sale tomorrow, I'm not sure it would be the truth.  Not coming from the Sloots or the island of Aruba.


Is it known who took the picture?
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« Reply #643 on: July 26, 2007, 05:52:27 PM »

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I'm here now shadow I stepped away for a few minutes.  There seems to be some sory of connection in Florida.  You are right John Charles Croes could be the link.  We don't know exactly what Deepak told him because I believe those records are missing information.  I also believe the link could be through Ernesto who is Freddy's older brother.  This guy has high end customers and might some of his customers want a certain video.  Did Paulus fly to Florida to squash or seek help regarding these videos.  I remember Ernesto making a comment saying you had to have connections to make it in his business and he had the connections.  We have not heard a peep from Ernesto since all this happened.


Wasn't John Charles Croes the person Deepak was IMing when he got home from doing whatever that fateful night?

If he did IM and the subject matter was a porn video of Natalee, that could suggest that Deepak didn't know everything and was sent home or left before the whole story played out. (I think that because, clearly, why would he contact a porn-connected friend if he'd just made a sex tape of a girl who later died?) Just speculating here...

I think Deepak witnessed something very bad and the transportation of a porn video that night was the last thing on his mind.  Now if you ask me if Freddy or Joran might have done this I would say it's highly possible.  Let's not forget that Deepak was seen outside his house with two other people washing his car.  Yes Deepak might have not known the final outcome but he knew it was bad and it was bad enough for Paulus to send him home to start the alibi and clean up the evidence (his car).  That alibi would not consist of the transmission of a video on his computer.  Joran was the one downloading porn and those records were tinkered with also.  Who would have been in this position to transmit the video.  In one of his PV's Deepak said they went to Freddy's to return the camera.  Could Deepak have done this the next day after realizing what type of film he had in his possession (snuff).  Did he do this at the internet cafe.  Just thinking here.


Do you think the snuff film was intentional? (It would certainly explain the charges of premeditated murder, which I have never been able to make sense of. I remember the detail of Freddy's camera in the PV, too.

I have to go now and wish I didn't. Off to a night of girlie fun. I would love to continue this conversation later, San. I hope my hubby won't need the computer to work tonight. (He'll be working one way or the other but I'm hoping for paperwork instead of computer work, if it has to be one of the two).

Bye, monkeys!
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« Reply #644 on: July 26, 2007, 06:09:06 PM »

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Anyone have any thoughts regarding the comment made by Simian that he was in a "skull & bones society" in Aruba??

OK back again. Catching up.

I wonder if a person really in a skull n bones type society would announce it .
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« Reply #645 on: July 26, 2007, 06:11:26 PM »

Shocked  snoopin around other threads and came across this? I recall Klaas posting this earlier today? BUT  WOW to whomever sent her info. Guess Reality is a liar liar pants on fire.   Shocked  I apologize its long, but an interesting read.. looks like folks saved his posts??  Twisted Evil


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Posted by Reality at BFN (thought I'd capture it before he deletes it):

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Re: LATEST INFORMATION (VIDEOS & DISCUSSION) - PART 2
« Reply #461 on: Today at 06:26:34 »

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For nearly 2 years now, both gagirl and myself have posted on this forum.
During that time both of us have been slandered and bashed in the open forum and even worse in the PM system.
Gagirl has even had her private information splashed over the internet, yet we both have returned to BFN as asked. We are here because we are asked to be here, not to cause problems but to offer our views and opinions to the discussion. To help find answers.

Have any of you ever seen any posts by either gagirl or myself that has bashed, slandered, belittled, accused either Beth, Natalee, Robin or Dave ? And I’m not talking about posts not made by ourselves.
No matter what is rumoured neither of us has ever spoke against the family.

These new statements, call them what you wish, that are now being said about cocaine usage, surely these should be discussed in a civilized manner in order to try and figure out if these things are indeed true, would this not be the prudent thing to do ?

Should Robin Holloway see any of our posts and objected to the content of that post, both gagirl and myself would have no hesitation in removing the post that offended.

These latest rumours making the rounds about us being part of some Disinformation Group is the most ludicrous thing that has yet been posted on any of these forums and yes, these accusations have been and continue to be made here on BFN.
Time and again, Debbie has posted to address the post not the poster and yet these things are allowed to be posted whenever we attempt a discussion. If we do not respond we are avoiding the question, if we do respond we are derailing the thread. It's a no win situation, and one that could and should be corrected.

I do not include MIP6 in this as I’m sure he will speak for himself.


To answer your question Reality - YES


I received this nice compilation of Reality's posts anonymously:

Dearest Reality/Alvin/Clive/etc/etc,

Ask and ye shall receive...........................

Care to make any other denials that can be proven false?

REALITY

Reality seems to wear a different face in accordance with the current status of this case. A sampling of his true feelings about the victim and her family are listed below.

DISCLAIMER

Although admin at BFN denies these posts were made by Reality, bloggers with higher levels of credibility assure us they were in fact made by the same Reality posting at BFN.



1. Reality believes Beth is using the disappearance of her daughter to make money…

as i told you from yesterday early in the morning, beth arrived
in aruba again with a group of bandits, terrorists.
LOT IS HAPPENING IN ARUBA .
ITS NOT ABOUT NAT ANYMORE !!
ITS ALL ABOUT MONEY AND A GROUP OF BANDITS !!
AND A CIRCUS FULL OF CLOWNS FOLLOWING THESE TERRORISTS !!
IS NAT GOING TO POP UP ???
IS THIS WHY BETH BROUGHT THE PARAMOUNT MOVIE CREW IN,
FOR THEIR NEW MOVIE ???
TO GET MORE MONEY OUT OF YOU GUYS ????

reality Posted: Nov 2 2005, 11:18 AM

http://www.worldwidemart.com/arubaforum/index.php?s=e57331df5e705dd9fce2ffe8957dbe76&showtopic=113

2. Reality believes that Beth is out to harm the Aruban people ….

Beth is in aruba , arrived yesterday, not to look for nat. but to look
for trouble !!!
THIS TIME THIS GROUP OF GANGSTERS AND TERRORISTS WILL GET
THE TROUBLE THEY CAME TO LOOK FOR !!!
she came with a tv crew and a crew from the paramout pictures, to
harm Aruba and its people !!
POLICE WILL HAVE TO ARREST THIS PERSON FOR INTEROGATION !!
GOVERNMENT OF ARUBA OR HOLLAND WILL HAVE TO DECLARE THIS
PERSON AND GROUP PERSONA NON GRATA TO THE ISLAND !!!
THE PEOPLE OF ARUBA SHOULD STAND UP NOW AND WITH ALL FORCE
AGAINST THIS GROUP OF TERRORISTS THAT CAME TO ATTACK OUR
ISLAND,
ARUBANS STAND UP NOW TO DEFEND YOUR COUNTRY, YOUR CHIL-
DRENS FUTURE.
ARUBANS ARE NICE, BUT NOT STUPID !!!
WE ARE GOING NOW TO WHERE THESE TERRORISTS ARE,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

reality Posted: Nov 2 2005, 07:10 AM

http://www.worldwidemart.com/arubaforum/index.php?showtopic=115

3. Reality implies that Beth instructed MB students and chaperones to remain silent…

Chief of investigating team of police,
said; now it will have to be proven , that nat or beth or together
ARE NOT SCAMPERS !!!!!!
ALL IN THE GROUP AND ALL CHAPARONES SHOULD CALL NOW;
297 587 0009 OR FAX 297 587 0051 ,
POLICE STATION NOORD ARUBA,
LAST CALL , DONT WORRY WHAT BETH TOLD YOU, TO KEEP QUIET,!!!
IF THEY TURN OUT TO BE SCAMPERS , ALL THEIR DONATION AND
INSURANCE MONEY WILL BE CONFISCATED FOR DAMAGES AND COSTS
DONE IN AND TO ARUBA !!! 4+3= 7 MILLION ?????
PLUS BY LAW A COUPLE YEARS JAIL TIME IN ARUBA, TOGETHER WITH
ALL THE CRIMINALS.
SO IF YOU DONT WANT TO BE TOGETHER WITH THE SCAMPERS IN
IN JAIL OR IF YOU DONT WANT TO BE ARRESTED IN CRISTMAS OR
NEW YEARS WEEK FOR INTEROGATION AS SUSPECTS, DO YOURSELF
A FAVOR AND TALK NOW !!!!!
NOT EVEN TALKING ABOUT ALL THE SUE CASES AGAINST THIS
BETH.
Nothing is happening in Aruba, last declaration of equu search team
they searched a couple of days with dave, found nothing, the third
and last search efford, they are done and gone. For this kind of
people all hope is gone, they cant even find a body, let stand a life
person !!!!
WE SAY ; WE WILL KEEP ON SAYING SHE IS ALIFE BUT NOT IN ARUBA !!!
REALITY NEVER HURT ANYBODY, ANY CAUSE OR NATION !!!!
MY NAME IS NOT REALITY.........
I AM ........REALITY ....!!!!!!!!!!!!

reality Posted: Oct 30 2005, 09:32 AM

http://www.worldwidemart.com/arubaforum/index.php?showtopic=113

4. Reality says Mountain Brook students have the answer ……

A MASS DEMONSTRATION CALLED FOR TOMORROW.
TO SHOW BETH AND GROUP OF GANGSTERS AND CLOWNS
THAT THE ARUBAN CITIZENS ARE FED UP WITH THEM.
THE ANSWERS ARE NOW IN MOUNTAIN BROOK !
THAT THE U.S. MEDIA DOES NOT REPRESENT THE U.S. PEOPLE !!
THAT THE ARUBANS ARE NICE, BUT NOT STUPID !!!
THAT BETH IS NOT LOOKING FOR NAT. BUT FOR MONEY AND NOW TROUBLE !!!
PARAMOUT PICTURES HAS NO RIGHT , NO PERMIT TO FILM ANYTHING !!
STAND BY FOR MORE INFO...........
FROM REALITY, THE ONLY TRUTH SOURCE ...!!!!!

reality Posted: Nov 2 2005, 09:08 PM

http://www.worldwidemart.com/arubaforum/index.php?showtopic=119

5. Reality claims that Beth is not welcome in Aruba …..

BETH WAS BROUGHT THIS MORNING TO THE POLICE STATION
IN NOORD FROM HERE TO THE AIRPORT, OUT OF ARUBA !
NO DECLARATIONS , YET, RELEASED !!
HER STAY WAS VERY , VERY SHORT THIS TIME, CAUSE SHES
NOT WELCOME IN ARUBA ANYMORE, LIKE I TOLD YOU BEFORE
SHE CAME !!
PARAMOUT PICTURE GROUP WITH TRUCKLOADS OF EQUIPMENT
GONE TOO, TO WHERE THEY CAME FROM !!
THIS TIME THERE WAS NO PARTIES FOR BETH, NO COCKTAILS,
NO CASINOS, NO SHOPPING, NO FREE DINNING AND STAYS !!
NO DONATIONS, NO MOVIES, NO BOOKS,NO STORY TO SELL !!
HOPE THEY HAVE STRAIGHTEN HER HEAD IN THE POLICE STATION !!
REALITY NEVER HURT ANYBODY, ANY CAUSE OR NATION !!!

Reality Posted: Nov 3 2005, 01:45 PM

http://www.worldwidemart.com/arubaforum/index.php?showtopic=120

6. Reality claims Beth should be sued by Deepak, Joran and Satish …..

thes 3 guys should sue beth for damaging their names without
any proof.
who beth think she is, she can rule the us circus clowns of the media,
but she can never give orders to arubas prime minister or our judges.
since beth is full of donations money, these guys can use this for
their studies !!
SUPREME COURT DICISION ; THEY ARE FREE , TO GO WHEREVER THEY WISH

reality Posted: Sep 15 2005, 10:31 AM

http://www.worldwidemart.com/arubaforum/index.php?showtopic=85

7. Reality gloats regarding Beth’s dire situation …..

MONDAY , STAY PENDING , PRIME MINISTER OF ARUBA GOT TIRED
OF THIS ANTI ARUBA ARAB FAT GUY , WHOS SUPPORTING BETH,
WILL BRING HIM TO COURT ON MONDAY.
MONDAY.. STAY PENDING FOR DEMONSTRATION CALLED IN FRONT OF
COURT HOUSE TO PROTEST AGAINST, THIS ANTI ARUBA GUY, BETH AND
US MEDIA.
BETH WENT TO ALABAMA MAYBE TO RUN FROM THIS HEAT, NOW A MAJORHURRICANE WILL HIT ALABAMA, NOW SHE LL HAVE TO RUN , TOGETHER
WITH ALL THE LAWMAKERS, THAT ASKED THE PEOPLE OF ALABAMA
TO BOYCOTT ARUBA.
STRANGE, BIG DAY FOR BOTH PERSONS TRYING TO GIVE ARUBA A BAD NAME!!
ON THE SAME DAY ........ MONDAY.........
THE UNIVERSAL LAW !!!
ARUBA NEVER DID HARM NAT.
ARUBA IS INDEED A SAFE ISLAND !!!

reality Posted: Aug 28 2005, 08:01 PM

http://www.worldwidemart.com/arubaforum/index.php?showtopic=55

8. Reality bashes Natalee …..

thinkaboutit; I agree with you,
nats so called friends have not been investigated enough , what do they
know about nats exboyfriend. ?
from the news i have heard she was drinking alcohol the whole day till
the next, on boat trips, then concert then carlos and charlie,
where were your friends ?
I do hope and pray for her safe return.
the parents should have known about this drinking problem.

reality Posted: Sep 2 2005, 12:18 AM

http://www.worldwidemart.com/arubaforum/index.php?showtopic=55

9. Reality claims Beth is dining and gambling while expecting volunteers to dive ….

AN ANTI ARUBA GUY IS ASKING FOR VOLUNTEERS TO DIVE AND LOOK FOR NAT FOR 1 HOUR.
THIS GUY IS PROMISING BETH AND NANCY DESGRACE TO PERSONALY WITH A GROUP TO DIVE AND FIND NATALEE ON THIS CIRCUS SHOW.
WEEKS AND WEEKS ARE PASSING , NO DIVERS ARE SHOWING UP.
WONDER WHY?? NO PAYMENT, NO WORK, WHERE IS ALL THE MILLIONS

BETH RECEIVING IN THIS SOUTHBANK ACCOUNT??
WHY BETH WANT TO KEEP ALL THE MONEY, RECEIVE EVERYTHING FREE, EXPECT
EVERY SEARCHGROUP TO WORK FOR FREE,WHILE SHE S DINNING AND WINNING AND PLAYING IN CASINOS??
ARUBA HAS MORE THAN 500 CERTIFIED DIVERS AND THOUSANDS OF REGULAR DIVERS.
THEY EVEN CANT GET 30 DIVERS.
YOU SEE WHAT I MEAN , THANKS TO BETHS ATTITUDE ..........

reality Posted: Aug 26 2005, 10:11 AM

http://www.worldwidemart.com/arubaforum/index.php?showtopic=50

10. Reality claims it is Beth’s attitude ….

The poeple of aruba lost interest in the case!
No one is talking about it, its not on the news anymore, no one is looking for nat
because the best searched teams of the us plus the latest equipment has been used, nothing.

All posters have been removed, thanks to beths attitude against aruba!!

Only thing that happened tonight ,i supose the us media doesnt know anymore what to do,besides sitting at the poolbar drinking pina coladas.........siesta and
parties, they came up with a terrific plan to go in the jail institute with hidden camaras, against the privancy law, to film Joran, as if they still dont know who Joran is.

This NBC media was taken to court tonight and judge ruled that what was filmed of joran cannot be aired in the us or aruba, if they do so without permission of joran,NBC wil have to pay Joran ONE MILLION FLORINS for every time they do so !! About $$ 600.000.=

When will these poeple start showing some RESPECT?????

Reality Posted: Aug 24 2005, 08:38 PM

http://www.worldwidemart.com/arubaforum/index.php?showtopic=39

11. Reality claims that Aruba is paying for all Beth’s expenses ….

you should be open minded, saeker, im talking in general ,i didnot say you or on this forum , im saying the u.s. media is attacking aruba every day, beth is behind all this boycott issue to aruba,while receiving everything for free, help from arubans, dining and free hotels, free transportations, beth is shopping and playing in casinos,having a nice stay in paradise island, asking everybody for donations and when asked what is being done with all the $$$ she wont anser this question.

Reality Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 11:58 am

http://forum.prophecies.us/viewtopic.php?t=8081&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=1425

12. Reality claims that Beth believes the white race is superior …..

when people like you and beth talk about your children , its clear that
you and beth think your child is better than a black or latino child !
Thats why I say you are sick and need help !
WHY THE MEDIA DONT GIVE MUCH ATTENTION WHEN A BLACK CHILD OR ADULT IS MISSING ?? BECAUSE THEY DESCRIMINATE, WILL DO ANYTHING FOR MONEY, BECAUSE THEY ARE CIRCUS CLOWNS, BECAUSE THEY ARE SICK.!!
you still havent heard beth stayed for free more than 3 months in 5 stars hotels
in paradise , wine and dine for free everyday in a different restaurant, play
casinos, go shopping, ect, just to shop she pays.
all search groups were on voluntary basis.!
so you tell me what did she pay!!
I work like the judges only with facts not rumors and emotions.!
You have enough time to educate your child, that when the moment comes she s
all alone she knows how to behave, what to do , what not to do, wherever
she is this moment is going to come believe me.

Reality Posted: Sep 13 2005, 04:28 PM

http://www.worldwidemart.com/arubaforum/index.php?showtopic=65

13. Reality claims that Beth embellishes the truth ….

the boy admitted having normal sex with her.
THE REST IS MADE UP BY BETH .
BY NOW EVERYONE KNOWS BETH.

reality Posted: Sep 14 2005, 10:37 AM

14. Reality claims Beth refuses to look further than Aruba for Natalee …..

want some.........reality
nat is a missing person, till her body is not found, this will stay so.
tiil her body is not found, she is alive somewhere , in a boat or in venezuela,
beth refuses to look for nat in an other country, only she knows why !

Reality Posted: Aug 28 2005, 10:32 AM

http://www.worldwidemart.com/arubaforum/index.php?showtopic=52

15. Reality believes that Joran, Deepak and Satish should sue Beth …..

now all 3 are free of anything, they should sue beth ,nancy and us media
of damaging their names !

Reality Posted: Sep 15 2005, 10:22 AM

http://www.worldwidemart.com/arubaforum/index.php?showtopic=52

16. Reality implicates everybody but Joran, Deepak and Satish …..

nat will decide when to pop up !
or if beth still in control of her , will decide when nat should pop up.!
Stay in the reality; If nobody is looking anymore in Aruba or other countries
she will not be found !!!
I will stay with my opinion; everyone is innocent till proven guilty !
no one can proof the 3 were the last with her !
they declared from day one, they had sex or
romance with her, changed by beth they raped
or violated her.
If she been killed it could be another person !
What about boyfriend black that beth could not
accept ?
Why did he followed nat to Aruba ?
What did he do to nat ?
The girls in her group should be investigated !
OR
Is this a plan of beth ???

Reality Posted: Sep 10 2005, 11:21 AM

http://www.worldwidemart.com/arubaforum/index.php?showtopic=77

17. Reality claims Beth is only after money and revenge ….

Haven t You noticed beth is not looking for nat.
beth never looked for nat in aruba, the Arubans were looking for nat.
beth is not looking for the truth, investigating the whole group.
NAT HAD A COLORED BOYFRIEND THAT FOLLOWED THE GROUP TO ARUBA.
BETH IS AFTER 2 THINGS AND NOT NATALEE, 1. MONEY 2. VENGEANCE !!
why is beth lying all the time if shes only looking for her daughter ??

reality Posted: Sep 17 2005, 04:55 PM

http://www.worldwidemart.com/arubaforum/index.php?showtopic=88

18. Reality gloats because Joran, Deepak and Satish are free …..

Supreme Court ,group of judges from Curacao dicided that this case is
finito !!
ther never was a case of charching these guys with anything !
now there is nothing to arrest them for suspects neither !
So they are free of anything, they can do and travel where they wish !!

Reality Posted: Sep 15 2005, 10:16 AM

http://www.worldwidemart.com/arubaforum/index.php?showtopic=84

19. Reality claims that Beth and the MB students are now suspects ……

chief of police is finally talking,
asking beth to come to join the investigation, a lot of
questions for her to answer !!
A lot of questions for the whole group that were asked to
keep quiet !!
A lot of questions for the chaparones !!
So you see as i told you the first part of the investigation
is ready or nearly closed.
But now they are going to start with the second part of
the investigation where the answers may be !!!
All these people are suspects, they will be forced by
law to give all information, cause aint fair when you
are talking bad of Aruba, its people, its police, its
government, ect . AND YOU ARE HOLDING BACK
ON VERY IMPORTANT INFORMATION.!!!!!!
CHIEF OF POLICE COMMENTS ON THE MILLIONS DOLLAR
ACCOUNT OF BETH AND WHY DAVE FATHER OF NAT.
DO NOT HAVE ACCES OF THIS MONEY FOR THE SEARCH.
AS I TOLD YOU BEFORE BETH IS ONLY AFTER MONEY,
IS NOT PAYING ANY BILLS, WANTS EVERYTHING FREE,
IS NOT LOOKING FOR NAT. ANYWHERE.
DONT BE STUPID , STOP THE DONATIONS AND THIS CASE
WILL BE OVER. THIS IS A MONEY-SICK PERSON !!!!
REALITY WITH THE REALITY AGAIN, OVER AND OVER !!!
OK GUYS YOU HAVE NOW ONLY NOW THE CHANCE TO TELL
THE WHOLE STORY AFTER 5 MONTHS.
IF YOU CHOOSE NOT TOO, ONE BY ONE OF YOU WILL BE
INVESTIGATED, MAYBE ARRESTED FOR QUESTIONING,
IN THE U.S.A. BY THE ARUBAN-DUTCH POLICE TOGETHER
WITH THE F.B.I.
ALL SUSPECTS IN ARUBA HAS BEEN INVESTIGATED,
NOW ITS YOUR TURN !!!!!!!

Reality Posted: Oct 26 2005, 09:45 AM

http://www.worldwidemart.com/arubaforum/index.php?showtopic=112


REALITY – BFN POSTS

1. Reality negates Beth’s work by promoting Aruba as a safe place to vacation ....

Dear Curves,

I am truly saddened that you have allowed your fine organization to be swayed to a very small minority of hate mongers & xenophobes who for the most part have never even set foot in Aruba let alone even heard of Aruba prior to May 31st, 2005.

You’re pulling of the Aruba sweepstakes speaks volumes to a company being swayed by lies & fabrications.

As an American citizen living in Aruba for many years now let me give you a perspective that none of the “protest” emails can even come close to.

Aruba is by far the safest island destination in the Caribbean.
Aruba’s judicial system is based on Dutch law, world renowned as a fair and balanced system.

Aruba’s people are highly educated individuals where most here speak at least 3 to 5 languages.
Aruba has had ONE missing person in the last year, and that person may not even be a victim of a crime.

You have done your valued customers a disservice by pulling your Aruba sweepstakes by depriving them the opportunity to truly experience what an island paradise really is.

If you would like more information about the real Aruba please email at the following and I will be more than happy to set the record straight with facts not the fiction you have based your decision on to pull your Aruba Sweepstakes.

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forums/index.php?topic=2854.150


2. Reality trashes Beth ....

.... The US media is attacking Aruba every day, Beth is behind all this boycott issue to Aruba, while receiving everything for free, help from Arubans, dining and free hotels, free transportations, Beth is shopping and playing in casinos, having a nice stay in paradise island, asking everybody for donations and when asked what is being done with all the $$$ she wont answer this question.

Reality Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 11:58 am

http://forum.prophecies.us/viewtopic.php?t=8081&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=1425

3. Reality trashes the Mountain Brook students.....

Those MB Brats, I wonder if they have started talking yet, possibly in the last year, whilst in the real world and away from the bosoms of their Mama's ?

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forums/index.php?topic=4226.msg148163#msg148163
August 18, 2005

4. Reality believes the Mountain Brook students are unwilling to cooperate in the investigation ......

Yes it is very strange that a Senator had to basically, URGE them to co-operate.

That doesn't make any sense, don't you think ?

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forums/index.php?topic=4454.30
August 3, 2005

5. Reality disrespects Americans ….

They say that travel broadens the mind
Unless of course, you are American
Where it tends to widen the a**

Note: rude image

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forums/index.php?topic=4580.msg145899#msg145899
August 12, 2005

6. Reality blames the media because the case is not solved……

I agree and also if FOX hadn't got in peoples faces with their brand of American Sensationalism, this case would have been solved ages ago.

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forums/index.php?topic=4042.msg121429
June 17, 2005


7. Reality believes the slandering of Joran can be blamed on the American Right Wing media …..

Interesting post, but how is the conclusion arrived at that Joran was wild ?
From what I have read, seen and heard, this young fellow seems pretty normal, nothing wilder than the MB Kids that were on Aruba.
In fact, a little pussy-cat when compared to kids that age that I have seen and don't even begin to tell me that does not apply to kids from the US.
One has to take much of the slandering of this kid with a pinch of salt, these are enuendos put forth by the Right Wing US Media, much the same as was applied to the alledged victim of Duke.

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forums/index.php?topic=4006.msg121427
June 17, 2006


8. Reality disagrees with the family’s support of the boycott ….

I have to agree with you on this, in my tried and tested opinion the only achievment the Boycott can claim is that of offending innocent Aruban People and hampering the investigation.

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forums/index.php?action=search2
September 16, 2005

9. Reality believes the those at the Refugee site are “nice folk” ….

But the vast majority of the Refugees are just nice people wanting the TRUTH of what happened to Natalee.

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forums/index.php?topic=4454.30
August 3, 2005



GAGIRL

Gagirl – moderator at BlogsForNatalee - tries to muddy the waters and take the focus off of the 3 suspects…..

Question: Is any other suspect or angle out of the question for you to consider?

I refuse to even read it! 0 (0%)
I will shoot and derail any topic that does not say J2K did it. 0 (0%)
I will read it and consider it. 35 (89.7%)
Doesn't matter..J2K did it. 4 (10.3%)

Total Voters: 39


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« Reply #646 on: July 26, 2007, 06:13:26 PM »

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JVDS Is a Serial Rapist

I wanted to put this post from Granny Toad, posted today 7/26/07, along side an older post of mine.  

Not for comparison, but instead for their additive and cumulative effect.  The picture painted by the information in both posts illuminates the type of individual joran van der sloot is:

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GRANNYTOAD 7/26/07

Posted this morning by GrannyToad at BFN:

About the reported event of Joran having followed and cornered an American girl enroute to the restroom at C&C who'd rebuffed him (from dancing? Why - Joran says he doesn't dance), threatened her with a knife, and told her threateningly that his father is a judge - was that in April or March 2005?

I've forgotten the timeframe other than placing it shortly prior Natalee going to Aruba, and being part of established PATTERNS like dumping (likely drugged, tourist?) girls on the beach when he's done with them. I'd wondered then and still now if there was a PATTERN about finding dumped tourist girls on the beach that Charles Croes recognized being a reason to head toward the lighthouse looking for that car and Joran. I don't think that strategy was a whim on Croes' part.

Although there was no implied threat, there was also the report of a mom with two daughters at C&C of having seen Joran enter through a side door, chat up her daughters, and with a nod to the bartender the 17 year old ordered them each shots of 151. This event was I believe, April 2005, Spring Break.

Earlier 2005, maybe March, a tourist had taken offense at Joran's behavior with his wife at some fast food or donut place. This is the event in which a tourist was thrown up against the plate glass window.

PATTERNS

Joran out of control; violence. Makes it easier to consider the "aluminum baseball bat" report and I would still like to have the general identity of the informant verified.

(*I still have the date of 6Jun2005 in general recall as when the cement pool apron was poured at the vdSloot compound. I recall blog posts at RWV with blacklab (latenight) & tsunder if those cues mean anything to readers)

"Supercop" Jan vdStraaten reportedly offered Joran confinement in a mental institution for a reason. Joran's parents may still be in denial.


HAMMER 4/23/07

The Calendar of Depravity

Yes, Tamikosmom. The main perps were "suspected" of involvement in the episode which served as reason to arrest Freddie and Jamie.

Among the interesting things attached to this very specific episode: if memory serves, we'll find that the assault and filming of the unconscious 16 yr old girl occurred in APRIL, 2005. On average, about a month or so before the abduction of Natalee, which occurred on May 29 & 30, 2005. (As an aside, why would the event with Natalee not be filmed?)

Strung together with the events of Bailey Ann, which occurred during MARCH, 2005 and the depicted topless Loco Stefy whose picture was delivered w/ the date taken as MARCH 10, 2005.

An additional calendar notation is worth pondering: jvds supposedly broke up w/ his very young girl friend, at the urging of the girl's parents. This also occurred during MARCH, 2005.

For fun, we could lay these known events against a timeline, and imo it represents a ratcheting up of deviance, and most likely violence. The pimps were spiraling in an increasingly out of control manner. Why would the 16 yr old be "unconscious" -- the introduction of a drugging agent into the boys' repertoire in evidence? I would bet too there are a number of additional unreported incidents which occurred in late April and early May of 2005, incidents which have not been reported w/ firm dates. For example: the 3 girls who were willing to testify against jvds as part of JQ Kelly's affadavits: when were their "alleged" assaults to have occurred.

These kids were off the rails and were exhibiting increasingly dangerous behaviors -- which were criminal.

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What is the picture you see of joran van der sloot?

What does he look like to you?

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Hammer as always many thanks for your post!

There are several things in here that I did not know. i.e. I didn't know about the fast food incidence and that it was a tourist thrown/pushed through the window.

And the power of your post is in the consolidating, wording and organizing this info.
thank you.
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« Reply #647 on: July 26, 2007, 06:17:53 PM »

Why would someone who has no dogs be taking a delivery of dog food?  Whe has ever even heard of dog food delivery? Why would someone have a dog food delivery truck "back-in" to their fenced in compound to unload the dog food?  Come on, what a load of bull.

That was no dog food truck.  What was it?  Furniture truck?  Was it there to unload a new matress to replace the blood soaked one that was dumped on the side of the road?

Was the truck there to pick up a body?  Why was this truck backed in, what were they trying to hide?  It sure wasnt to disguise the fact they were buying dog food.
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« Reply #648 on: July 26, 2007, 06:18:31 PM »

I don't know about y'all, but I think I would freak out if Oscar the cat came to visit me!   Shocked

Is that cat psychic, or is he a serial killer?   Cool
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« Reply #649 on: July 26, 2007, 06:20:09 PM »

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« Reply #650 on: July 26, 2007, 06:22:23 PM »

The Sloots had a dog once and Joran killed it.  Does anyone really think they went out and got another one?
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« Reply #651 on: July 26, 2007, 06:23:42 PM »

Laughing  Laughing  Blah.. sorry  Embarassed  but I read what Klaas posted this morning.. and then to read what was emailed to her  Shocked  figured nobody would see it .. some dont check other threads here and.. and figured the lurkers or Reality himself would love to see what some saved. How can he deny it now hes never said a bad word about the family? YIKES!
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« Reply #652 on: July 26, 2007, 06:24:40 PM »

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I don't know about y'all, but I think I would freak out if Oscar the cat came to visit me!   Shocked

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  ROFL  Easy.. I read that earlier.. its creepy IMO.
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« Reply #653 on: July 26, 2007, 06:27:33 PM »

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Quote from: "Easywriter"
I don't know about y'all, but I think I would freak out if Oscar the cat came to visit me!   Shocked

Is that cat psychic, or is he a serial killer?   Cool


  ROFL  Easy.. I read that earlier.. its creepy IMO.


It is CREEPY!  That the cat is so accurate that as soon as he curls up next to someone the hospital calls the next of kin!   Shocked
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« Reply #654 on: July 26, 2007, 06:27:41 PM »

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I don't know about y'all, but I think I would freak out if Oscar the cat came to visit me!   Shocked

Is that cat psychic, or is he a serial killer?   Cool

Hey Easy,
I think someone needs to give that cat a break/vacation away from all those near dying people.  He's overworked from comforting all those people in their time of need.  But I bet he would never complain. And those people are luck to have him.

sorry wanted this post to be funny/witting but couldn't. I've lived with cats along time and they know more about us then we do.
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« Reply #655 on: July 26, 2007, 06:27:43 PM »

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I don't know about y'all, but I think I would freak out if Oscar the cat came to visit me!   Shocked

Is that cat psychic, or is he a serial killer?   Cool


Yeah, it reminds me of an episode of "The Twilight Zone" or something. What's that show on HDNet about the "Reapers"??
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« Reply #656 on: July 26, 2007, 06:28:57 PM »

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Laughing  Laughing  Blah.. sorry  Embarassed  but I read what Klaas posted this morning.. and then to read what was emailed to her  Shocked  figured nobody would see it .. some dont check other threads here and.. and figured the lurkers or Reality himself would love to see what some saved. How can he deny it now hes never said a bad word about the family? YIKES!


this person must be Aruban because Arubans just lie uncontrollably.  I think they lie so much that they just think its normal and this is the way the rest of the world is too. They dont understand that once you loose your credibility, its a real bitch to get back.
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« Reply #657 on: July 26, 2007, 06:29:08 PM »

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Anyone have any thoughts regarding the comment made by Simian that he was in a "skull & bones society" in Aruba??


I don't remember that quote...what exactly did he say?


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The Simian thinks ydave is way off. The Simian is a relayer. The Simian belongs to an Aruban society much like “Skull & Bones”.
The Simian just wants that everybody knows what is not said in the American Media.


for those like me who many not know the background of the Skull & Bones society....


The Order of Skull and Bones, once known as The Brotherhood of Death,[1] is a secret society based at Yale University, in New Haven, Connecticut, and is one of the oldest student secret societies in the United States. Skull and Bones has maintained its selective membership and Masonic-inspired rituals since its founding in 1832. The society's alumni organization, which owns its properties and oversees undergraduate activity, is the Russell Trust Association, named after one of Bones' founding members and is featured in the movie The Good Shepherd.


The Good Shepard is one of my favorite alltime movies.  I got really wrapped up in it, researching references in the movie.  I have this site bookmarked about the Skull and Bones Society which I found interesting:
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« Reply #658 on: July 26, 2007, 06:30:05 PM »

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The Sloots had a dog once and Joran killed it.  Does anyone really think they went out and got another one?


Now, you've got me confused....Joran's dog's name was Choller, iirc....I thought that dog, at least is still living....maybe I'm wrong??
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« Reply #659 on: July 26, 2007, 06:30:28 PM »

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Shocked  got hubby all fixed up..  <yuck>

Lalas.. or anyone? Here is another I found in the old thread.. I am now looking for a post about renho i saw.. driving me nuts,, cant find it  Mad


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"the dice throwers rolled"
"mary rolled"

"the gamblers also took note"

the gamblers=the dice throwers=some of the the students?

The gamblers are not the Arubans, the Dutch, the bad guys the ruling class so or the children thereof so who are they?

Some people who were in the casino know where NH was brought? Call me nuts but I think there is something to this Shango business. If I were there, and the only thing I had to go on was 3 boys who are not talking I'd be looking for the stinky cave or house with the music on the dirt road.
 
 


I love your cooties Angie, we have the best cooties, don't we?  Wink  Laughing

hmmm the stinky cave? Why did they use the word stinky?

bats in caves have urine and droppings that I understand are quite stinky, is this Fontein?   Razz to rattiest man  Laughing
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