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Author Topic: Lively Case Discussion #665 7/25 - 7/26/2007  (Read 116742 times)
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« Reply #320 on: July 25, 2007, 11:58:19 PM »

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Gut feelings tell me that a pool party / cozy apartment setting would have been first choice after leaving the bar. As one poster said - it was an environment they were very familiar with.

If people say that friends parked behind the wall of the VDS property and hopped the wall to enter the property, is it completely out of the question to think that while a drugged Natalee attempted to climb the back wall of the property that she could have suffered terrible injuries in the process?
I can't say that I have seen this idea proposed.

Could have but I don't think Natalee would willingly climb the wall at the Sloot home to go to a party on her last night in Aruba.  It doesn't make sense.


In a rented vehicle, I drove to the VDS residence while vacationing in Aruba. These climbing the wall stories make sense.  Otherwise, entering the residence involves driving through their main gate.  J2K were probably trying to be somewhat discreet at that time of night (was Paulus even home??)  Do you think Joran really had to sneak out, or were his parents used to him leaving his home at 11PM on a school night ? I have never given it much thought until now. If he snuck out, parking out back and climbing the wall makes sense to re-enter the residence.


I agree, I just can't see Natalee wanting to do this.  If she was drugged and pushed over the wall maybe.


Right. I am just speculating.  Maybe not pushed, but encouraged / helped with the re-entry into the residence.  Multiple friends, if true, would blow the discretion.  Maybe, there was no fear of being caught so they just waltzed (drove) right through the main gate.  Anita was not there.

Question: Was the rest of the VDS family in Holland, or just Anita ??
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« Reply #321 on: July 26, 2007, 12:00:42 AM »

Hi Monkeys!   I'm just reading and catching up.  I noticed a new monkey and wanted to say Hi and Welcome!  Glad to have a new monkey aboard!
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« Reply #322 on: July 26, 2007, 12:01:59 AM »

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Hi Monkeys!   I'm just reading and catching up.  I noticed a new monkey and wanted to say Hi and Welcome!  Glad to have a new monkey aboard!


I've been looking for you!!!!

I LOVE your avi!!!!!

When you want another Tink, check the Lounge.............there's been a couple for you for a long time!  Wink
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« Reply #323 on: July 26, 2007, 12:02:12 AM »

OH, and sleddogs!  Welcome to you too!
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« Reply #324 on: July 26, 2007, 12:02:56 AM »

BUCKSHOT - by all appearances, Valentijn and Sebastian were home and not in Holland with Anita.  There is some questions about that though.
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« Reply #325 on: July 26, 2007, 12:04:36 AM »

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It was fun, monkeys--I love being on here at night. I have to go now so my husband can use the computer to practice law. I may be back in a few minutes. Hope so!
Do you think he might be able to tell me the difference between battery and heavy battery?


I asked him, bleached. He doesn't know--he does commercial real estate law and doesn't know the criminal side of things. Wink
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« Reply #326 on: July 26, 2007, 12:09:30 AM »

Right or wrong, I would love to hear detailed timelines for that evening, as speculated by everyone here. It is very interesting to read and ponder.

It seems as though everyone here, for the most part, is on the money in their assessments.  I realize that some the particulars are only known by the perpetrators themselves.
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« Reply #327 on: July 26, 2007, 12:11:58 AM »

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Hi Monkeys!   I'm just reading and catching up.  I noticed a new monkey and wanted to say Hi and Welcome!  Glad to have a new monkey aboard!


I've been looking for you!!!!

I LOVE your avi!!!!!

When you want another Tink, check the Lounge.............there's been a couple for you for a long time!  Wink


Thanks CBB.  I decided for a temporary change,  but I'm sure I will go back to Tink eventually.  My daughter sent this to me because we have 4 dachsunds and it seemed like a nice change for now.  So many other monkeys made changes, so had to follow the crowd.  Laughing

Looks like our new Monkey Buckshot is in need of some clothes though!

Will let you know, when I'm ready to go back to my Tink alter-ego Smile
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« Reply #328 on: July 26, 2007, 12:13:41 AM »

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Gut feelings tell me that a pool party / cozy apartment setting would have been first choice after leaving the bar. As one poster said - it was an environment they were very familiar with.

If people say that friends parked behind the wall of the VDS property and hopped the wall to enter the property, is it completely out of the question to think that while a drugged Natalee attempted to climb the back wall of the property that she could have suffered terrible injuries in the process?
I can't say that I have seen this idea proposed.

Could have but I don't think Natalee would willingly climb the wall at the Sloot home to go to a party on her last night in Aruba.  It doesn't make sense.


In a rented vehicle, I drove to the VDS residence while vacationing in Aruba. These climbing the wall stories make sense.  Otherwise, entering the residence involves driving through their main gate.  J2K were probably trying to be somewhat discreet at that time of night (was Paulus even home??)  Do you think Joran really had to sneak out, or were his parents used to him leaving his home at 11PM on a school night ? I have never given it much thought until now. If he snuck out, parking out back and climbing the wall makes sense to re-enter the residence.


I agree, I just can't see Natalee wanting to do this.  If she was drugged and pushed over the wall maybe.


Right. I am just speculating.  Maybe not pushed, but encouraged / helped with the re-entry into the residence.  Multiple friends, if true, would blow the discretion.  Maybe, there was no fear of being caught so they just waltzed (drove) right through the main gate.  Anita was not there.

Question: Was the rest of the VDS family in Holland, or just Anita ??

We have a poster by the name of Widget who found out early on that there were three Sloots that returned home on the plane.

I believe Widget.  I do not believe the other two boys were home.  The only people who say they were home were Paulus and Joran and the reason why they say this is because he helps their alibi.

If they were home why isn't there a statement from the middle brother.  I'll tell you why because Paulus would have involved a third son in his lies but this time it would be on a PV as a witness and he would be in big trouble if caught lying.

If they could interview Sander Gottenbos then can interview Val van der Sloot.
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« Reply #329 on: July 26, 2007, 12:14:57 AM »

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Hi Monkeys!   I'm just reading and catching up.  I noticed a new monkey and wanted to say Hi and Welcome!  Glad to have a new monkey aboard!


I've been looking for you!!!!

I LOVE your avi!!!!!

When you want another Tink, check the Lounge.............there's been a couple for you for a long time!  Wink


Thanks CBB.  I decided for a temporary change,  but I'm sure I will go back to Tink eventually.  My daughter sent this to me because we have 4 dachsunds and it seemed like a nice change for now.  So many other monkeys made changes, so had to follow the crowd.  Laughing

Looks like our new Monkey Buckshot is in need of some clothes though!

Will let you know, when I'm ready to go back to my Tink alter-ego Smile


Oh, I love the pooches!!  Very Happy
Just wanted to make sure you saw them.

Buckshot? If you want an avatar and need some help, I'll be happy to help in any way I can.  Wink

WELCOME, BUCKSHOT!!!
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« Reply #330 on: July 26, 2007, 12:17:40 AM »

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Hi Monkeys!   I'm just reading and catching up.  I noticed a new monkey and wanted to say Hi and Welcome!  Glad to have a new monkey aboard!


I've been looking for you!!!!

I LOVE your avi!!!!!

When you want another Tink, check the Lounge.............there's been a couple for you for a long time!  Wink


Thanks CBB.  I decided for a temporary change,  but I'm sure I will go back to Tink eventually.  My daughter sent this to me because we have 4 dachsunds and it seemed like a nice change for now.  So many other monkeys made changes, so had to follow the crowd.  Laughing

Looks like our new Monkey Buckshot is in need of some clothes though!

Will let you know, when I'm ready to go back to my Tink alter-ego Smile


Oh, I love the pooches!!  Very Happy
Just wanted to make sure you saw them.

Buckshot? If you want an avatar and need some help, I'll be happy to help in any way I can.  Wink

WELCOME, BUCKSHOT!!!
- thank you !!!
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« Reply #331 on: July 26, 2007, 12:21:47 AM »

You're welcome! Sooooo, just let me know if you want help with an avatar.  Wink

( But, if you answer "thank - you" again, I still won't know if that means you're grateful that someone offered, or if you want an avatar and need help.  Embarassed )  Laughing
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« Reply #332 on: July 26, 2007, 12:23:04 AM »

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Right or wrong, I would love to hear detailed timelines for that evening, as speculated by everyone here. It is very interesting to read and ponder.

It seems as though everyone here, for the most part, is on the money in their assessments.  I realize that some the particulars are only known by the perpetrators themselves.


Buck, I've worked on timelines and they're all over the map from the time the boys left C&Cs with Natalee to the time Joran went to school the next day. The time from around 1 a.m. to 8 a.m. is pretty much unaccounted for, especially the time between 1:30 and 3:30 a.m. (before the computer records and phone records indicate that Joran was home).
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« Reply #333 on: July 26, 2007, 12:23:42 AM »

In other words...if the two younger Sloots were home there would be a reason to interview them.  If they were not home, why bother.  HMMMM.
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« Reply #334 on: July 26, 2007, 12:25:20 AM »

Dihannah1

Thanks, I been missing in action for  a long time.  Smile
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« Reply #335 on: July 26, 2007, 12:25:25 AM »

Does anyone think evidence is stored in a central location or thrown away as to make sure it doesn't end up in the wrong hands?

Who would be the gatekeeper, if stored away.

Who was there even a need to hide from in Aruba? Since ALE had no intention of prosecuting the suspects, why even go through the interviews, etc..? It seemed as though it would not have mattered what a suspect said to ALE. (For example: Joran could describe his little heart away the truth of the whole evening and those interviewing him would simply say "Joran, we already know all of that - don't worry, buddy, you are not going to get in any trouble - we just need to know what lies to interject to throw the media off. This is all just to appease those stupid Americans and fool them into thinking we are doing the best we can")
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« Reply #336 on: July 26, 2007, 12:27:43 AM »

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You're welcome! Sooooo, just let me know if you want help with an avatar.  Wink

( But, if you answer "thank - you" again, I still won't know if that means you're grateful that someone offered, or if you want an avatar and need help.  Embarassed )  Laughing


i will let you know when i am ready. i was thanking you for your offer to help me.
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« Reply #337 on: July 26, 2007, 12:27:56 AM »

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Does anyone think evidence is stored in a central location or thrown away as to make sure it doesn't end up in the wrong hands?

Who would be the gatekeeper, if stored away.

Who was there even a need to hide from in Aruba? Since ALE had no intention of prosecuting the suspects, why even go through the interviews, etc..? It seemed as though it would not have mattered what a suspect said to ALE. (For example: Joran could describe his little heart away the truth of the whole evening and those interviewing him would simply say "Joran, we already know all of that - don't worry, buddy, you are not going to get in any trouble - we just need to know what lies to interject to throw the media off. This is all just to appease those stupid Americans and fool them into thinking we are doing the best we can")


I think they destroyed whatever evidence they could, maybe with the help of corrupt officials. There's no use hiding it and risking it coming back to incriminate them someday. My hope is they missed some crucial piece of the coverup...or that someone who knows something will come forward.
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« Reply #338 on: July 26, 2007, 12:30:54 AM »

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Does anyone think evidence is stored in a central location or thrown away as to make sure it doesn't end up in the wrong hands?

Who would be the gatekeeper, if stored away.

Who was there even a need to hide from in Aruba? Since ALE had no intention of prosecuting the suspects, why even go through the interviews, etc..? It seemed as though it would not have mattered what a suspect said to ALE. (For example: Joran could describe his little heart away the truth of the whole evening and those interviewing him would simply say "Joran, we already know all of that - don't worry, buddy, you are not going to get in any trouble - we just need to know what lies to interject to throw the media off. This is all just to appease those stupid Americans and fool them into thinking we are doing the best we can")

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« Reply #339 on: July 26, 2007, 12:33:42 AM »

i am off to bed - good night to all.
thanks for the hospitality !!!
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