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« on: August 10, 2006, 03:25:46 PM »

PROCES – VERBAAL

Van bevindingen

On Sunday 3 July 2005, I, Jan van der Straten, Commission of Police Force performed at the korps police force Aruba with the technical appliances measuring on cell-id’s on the towers of Setar in the area between Racquet Club on Aruba and the Wyndham.

From available information it has become clear that on May 30th 2005 around 19:25 from number 588-xxxx (Deepak Kalpoe’s work location) received a call to number 562-xxxx which is the cell phone number of Joran van der Sloot.

According to cell-id in the records this information was transmitted on mast 9181 (Casa del Mar/Eagle and after 2.28 minutes on the mast 9123 (Hadishibana – Lighthouse).

From the declarations of Joran van der Sloot he claims that he was however in the opposite direction, namely driving from the Racquet-club by means of the Marriott Hotel towards the Radisson/Wyndham.




Looking at to the resulaten of measurings, it is therefore possible that suspect Joran van der Sloot reversed possibly and nevertheless drove by the Marriott to Wyndham and, cell-id's were registered.

This statement made by me on office promise on 7 July 2005 on Aruba

Commissioner of Police,

Jan van der Straten



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« Reply #1 on: August 10, 2006, 03:44:36 PM »

If anyone has Metro's e-mail addy... handy  maybe he can make heads or tails out of this..

Too many locations with 9181 or 9123 or both of them to make since to me.???

Not to mention "May 30th 2005 around 19:25 from number 588-xxxx (Deepak Kalpoe’s work location) received a call to number 562-xxxx which is the cell phone number of Joran van der Sloot. "

So did Deepak get a call or place the call??  
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« Reply #2 on: August 10, 2006, 03:51:06 PM »

Quote from: "oldfart"
If anyone has Metro's e-mail addy... handy  maybe he can make heads or tails out of this..

Too many locations with 9181 or 9123 or both of them to make since to me.???

Not to mention "May 30th 2005 around 19:25 from number 588-xxxx (Deepak Kalpoe’s work location) received a call to number 562-xxxx which is the cell phone number of Joran van der Sloot. "

So did Deepak get a call or place the call??  
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That is a rough translation Oldfart.  What I think it means is that Deepak called Joran at 7:25pm on May 30th from the Cyberzone.
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« Reply #3 on: August 10, 2006, 04:03:26 PM »

....but what about the other calls that night.  What about the calls to Guido the following morning.....any calls to Koen?

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« Reply #4 on: August 10, 2006, 04:05:11 PM »

any other calls that these boys made that night...and also the other (10) days that they remained "free."

Someone should review this with a fine-tooth comb.

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« Reply #5 on: August 10, 2006, 04:05:27 PM »

Below is the timeline for late 5/30 based on statements so far.  Joran does not say he is driving anywhere from 7:00-8:00, he says he is walking.

The notable discrepancy in the statements here is that Deepak says when he called Joran at 6:00 Joran told him he was at the Wyndham with Guido, but Joran says he was at the RC at that time):  


5:00 pm: Paulus drops Joran off at Raquet Club (J 6/14)

5:00-7:00 pm: At Raquet Club, Joran talks to Koen, has tennis lesson (J 6/14)

6:00 pm: Deepak calls Joran to ask him how he is.  Joran says he is with Guido Wever in the casino at the Wyndham.  Deepak says he will call him back (D 6/11, 6/16)

7:00 pm: Joran calls Paulus asking if he can go to the casino, Paulus says yes.  Joran calls Andre and Guido Wever (6/14)

7:15 pm: Joran leaves on foot for the Wyndham Hotel.  On the way he stops at the Marriott beach to look for his shoes (J 6/14)

7:45: Joran arrives at Aruba Grant Hotel & Casino (J 6/14)

8:00 pm: Joran walks to Wyndham, meets Andre there (J 6/14)

8:15 pm: Joran begins playing poker at Wyndham casino (J 6 /14)

10:30: Guido arrives at Wyndham.  Joran leaves with Guido and drives to the Aruba grant to cash in chips he had won earlier.  Guido and Joran play blackjack at Grant (J 6/14)

11:00 pm: Before leaving work Deepak calls Joran again, Joran tells him he as at the Radisson, Deepak says he will come there (D 6/13)

11:15 pm-12:00 am: Satish picks up Deepak from work.  Deepak takes Satish home because he has school the next day and his mother is angry that they stayed out late the previous night and Satish hadn't gone to school. When they get home Deepak tells Satish he is going to the casino with Joran. Satish goes to sleep (D 6/11, S 6/11)

11:15: Guido and Joran arrive at Radisson Casino.  Andre calls to ask where Joran is, and says he will come there (J 6/14)

Complete constantly updated statement timeline here:
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forums/index.php?topic=4534.0
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« Reply #6 on: August 10, 2006, 04:05:43 PM »

Let's be patient Sol and see what gets posted next Very Happy

I've sure been enjoying the reading around here the past few days Very Happy


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« Reply #7 on: August 10, 2006, 04:08:25 PM »

I hope we get to see videos from the Wyndham and the Aruba Grant from that night.

I thought Beth had indicated they had already seen the Wyndham videos and JORAN WAS NOT THERE!

Surprise.

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« Reply #8 on: August 10, 2006, 04:32:16 PM »

Stunned.  Well, not really because it's what I suspected but ...
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« Reply #9 on: August 10, 2006, 04:39:32 PM »

Am I reading this correctly--at 7:25 p Joran was travelling toward the lighthouse over a period of 2.5 minutes, but he had declared that he had been travelling in the opposite direction toward a casino?  

Anyone?  I feel ill.
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« Reply #10 on: August 10, 2006, 04:56:51 PM »

I read this that after 2.28 minutes the call was dropped by the casino tower and taken up by the lighthouse tower. A clear indication that Joran was headed away from the hotel-casino area and towards the Arashi beach-lighthouse area. It also appears (from other sources) Guido may have been driving.
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« Reply #11 on: August 10, 2006, 05:18:27 PM »

Klaas I've lost my "special monkey" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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« Reply #12 on: August 10, 2006, 06:12:37 PM »

Rammstein's (BFN) literal translation of the top portion:
PROCES-VERBAAL
OF FINDINGS

   On Sunday July 10th 2005, I, Jan van der Straten, chief of police with the Korps Politie Aruba, made measurements with a technical device regarding the cell id's on the Setar transmission masts.
   From the available information we have learned that on May 30th 2005 at approximately 19.25 a phone call was made from the number *** **** (work location of Deepak Kalpoe) to the number *** ****, which is the phone-number of Joran van der Sloot's cell-phone.
   According to the cell-id from the transmission masts this information was received on mast 9181 (Casa del Mar/Eagle) and after 2.28 minutes was closed on mast 9123 (Hadishibana-lighthouse)
   Statements given by Joran van der Sloot however indicate that he was walking in the opposite direction, namely from the Raquet Club, passing by/through the Marriot over the beach towards the Radisson/Wyndham.  
   On July 3rd 2005 at approximately 18.00 the measurements were started.
Below are the measurements that were visible/found.



Rammsteins correction of the bottom part of our rough translation:

At the bottom of his second page van der Straten writes:

Looking at the results of the measurements, it is possible that the suspect Joran van der Sloot was indeed walking from the Marriot to the Wyndham and that this could still have resulted in reverse order picking up/registering of the cell-phone ID's.

Then Ramm adds:

In dutch it says that even though it looks like he was walking from the Wyndham towards the Marriot when first looking at the mobile-phone ID records, actual measurements have shown that Joran could have been walking (as he was saying) from the Marriot towards the Wyndham and still get the results that the ID records have shown.

In other words, Joran could have just as easily been telling the truth about walking from the Marriot to the Wyndham, the phone ID-records in this are not conclusive according to the measurements.
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« Reply #13 on: August 11, 2006, 09:29:53 AM »

It was my understanding that Joran ws given a general physical exam when he was taken into custody and the exam was inconsistent with the statement Joran gave about walking home.  His feet did not show any evidence of walking such a distance.

I am going from memory here...

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« Reply #14 on: August 11, 2006, 09:55:49 AM »

Quote from: "Sol Rosenberg"
It was my understanding that Joran ws given a general physical exam when he was taken into custody and the exam was inconsistent with the statement Joran gave about walking home.  His feet did not show any evidence of walking such a distance.

I am going from memory here...

- Sol


That is my recollection also, that nothing was wrong with his feet.
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« Reply #15 on: August 11, 2006, 04:21:26 PM »

Bringing this over from LCD this morning...it's my original post plus additions...

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Cell Phone Records

Ok..I have reviewed the "cell phone records" and strictly in my opinion this information is very very thin and there is not enough detail which should have been available. My basis for saying this is simply this:

A. The cell site id's are the numbers for the actual cell sites ie. site at H.I. is 9123 which only identifies the cell site in the network.

B. In GSM, TDMA and analog networks the network uses a "re-use" scheme to handle call traffic on the cell sites which is why you see some of the cell_id's listed multiple times. All the sites are on different frequencies thus the need for "re-use" to handle the traffic. Also it is important to note that these air interface technologies are narrowband meaning there will be multiple frequencies. Also each site has the antennas called alpha, beta and gamma.

C. The level of call detail that should have been available would show which site and specifically which antenna on the site would have handled the call and there should have been network messaging that would show where the network would direct the call next based on which way the mobile (JVDS's mobile) was traveling. Additionally, the call detail would have shown with date/time stamps call origination, each hand-over to each site(establishing direction the mobile was moving) and when the call ended. The call detail would also show (obivously) who originated the call and who received the call. Based on my research I cannot tell if Setar uses the GPS capability availability in most mobiles.

So..again in my opinion in the context of the evening in question this data only shows that JVDS was in the area around 7:25PM for a total of 2 minutes and 28 seconds and that he called Deepak at work. Based on the timeline sticky thread it appears that JVDS entered the casino at the H.I. around 7:51PM

In terms of technical relavance..theres not too much to work with. In terms of establishing JVDS location on the evening in question I believe it does establish he was in the area.

**Disclaimer - this is all strictly opinion based on my experience only and should be taken within the context offered.

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I rambled:

The lighthouse indication on the diagram.....

"If I could get a better system coverage map showing all cell site's with id's
I could give a better opinion."

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My reason for saying this is that I need to know the cell_id's that would be in use at the lighthouse. If you look on the diagrams you see cell_id's 9123,9252,9191,9193,9063 listed. Based on cell re-use planning and the coverage pattern (in miles) of the cell sites then 9123 might not be re-used at the lighthouse. Meaning a different combination of cell_id's could be in use at the light house say 9200, 9201, 9300, 9301(as an example) then 9123 would not be covering the lighthouse.

So..back to my statement above I need to see a better coverage map of the island for Setar. These are typically proprietary and not published in the public domain exept in the U.S. by the F.C.C. as they grant radio liscenses for each one.
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« Reply #16 on: August 11, 2006, 07:46:50 PM »

Quote from: "Sol Rosenberg"
It was my understanding that Joran ws given a general physical exam when he was taken into custody and the exam was inconsistent with the statement Joran gave about walking home.  His feet did not show any evidence of walking such a distance.

I am going from memory here...

- Sol




I'm just confused about how Joran was traveling around that night.  When did he say he walked home, exactly?  I know he was barefooted, but first, he said that Deepak came and picked him up, and more recently, he said it was Satish that picked him up.  A few months ago, his attorney, Joe T, said he had proof that Deepak picked him up, then later, he changed that to having proof it was Satish that picked him up.  How DID he get home the night Natalee disappeared?
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