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« Reply #180 on: July 27, 2007, 09:19:55 AM »

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This will be my last post before the change over.i thought you had to go to Trinidad,Co.,for  a changeover.Will it hurt?Take care Monkeys and good morning.Bye


When is this place shutting down?  Tonight?  Do we all need to get cootie shots before the new and improved forum comes up?  ~circle circle dot dot~  Laughing  Laughing  Laughing
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« Reply #181 on: July 27, 2007, 09:21:33 AM »

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Dana's Woonidee
Address: Fergusonstraat 21A
Phone: (297) 583-0912 / (297) 585-0893
Fax: (297) 583-0793  
Categories: Furniture dealers  


Yep.  I'm trying to remember who was trying to tell us it was a pet food place.  Then they said they have pet food and furniture.



I am still behind, trying to catch up. I remember that vividly, BUT I also forget WHO was spewing the dog food garbage.
Let's see...what type of business can I make money from...ummmmmm...OH, I HAVE IT!! I can deliver DOG FOOD to people's homes in a FURNITURE TRUCK!! THAT's IT!! I will make millions.

ACKKKKKKKKK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


 Very Happy  Very Happy Easy had the line of the evening last night: "Gotta run -- the "furniture truck" is delivering my pizza!" Laughing  Laughing


Well, I did get a large with extra cheese!   Razz  Laughing  Razz
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« Reply #182 on: July 27, 2007, 09:35:37 AM »

Morning monkeys.

For those who are interested, here is an account of yesterday's sock monkey adventures in San Francisco.

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?p=254883#254883
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« Reply #183 on: July 27, 2007, 09:37:22 AM »

Good Morning Monkeys!!!


TGIF!!!!!
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« Reply #184 on: July 27, 2007, 09:42:24 AM »

Goon At School: 5/30/05?

Lala'sMom writes: "...Instead, we have many people trying to confuse once again. This is the reason I asked this morning about the story that Joran said she was dead when he came to school. I think that was more hearsay and it was repeated until it became accepted fact..."

Agreed there is much confusion surrounding this point, and Paulus' evasiveness in PV doesn't help.

The report of "hit her head while swimming and drowned" was a published report, I believe in National Enquirer.  It was in print, and not an invented story.  It was reported also that this is what jvds was telling classmates.

At one point long ago, this was the subject of much discussion here.  Among the things that remained open, was whether this "drowning" report was referencing in-school discussion for Monday 5/30/05 OR Tuesday 5/31/05.

Wadlaws statement seems to be saying that goon had to visit the "nurse's office" (or in school medical facility) on both Monday AND Tuesday, because he was "sick".

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« Reply #185 on: July 27, 2007, 09:48:47 AM »

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Morning monkeys.

For those who are interested, here is an account of yesterday's sock monkey adventures in San Francisco.

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?p=254883#254883


LOL  Looks like you guys are really working your butts off on this conference!   Shocked
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« Reply #186 on: July 27, 2007, 09:50:16 AM »

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Morning monkeys.

For those who are interested, here is an account of yesterday's sock monkey adventures in San Francisco.

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?p=254883#254883


LOL  Looks like you guys are really working your butts off on this conference!   Shocked


It's a hard life! Taking free tours of the city and then consuming free chocky cake and wine is not for the fainthearted!  Razz
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« Reply #187 on: July 27, 2007, 09:51:45 AM »

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Morning monkeys.

For those who are interested, here is an account of yesterday's sock monkey adventures in San Francisco.

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?p=254883#254883


LOL  Looks like you guys are really working your butts off on this conference!   Shocked


It's a hard life! Taking free tours of the city and then consuming free chocky cake and wine is not for the fainthearted!  Razz


Not just anyone could deal with that type of pressure!
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« Reply #188 on: July 27, 2007, 09:57:16 AM »

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Morning monkeys.

For those who are interested, here is an account of yesterday's sock monkey adventures in San Francisco.

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?p=254883#254883


LOL  Looks like you guys are really working your butts off on this conference!   Shocked


It's a hard life! Taking free tours of the city and then consuming free chocky cake and wine is not for the fainthearted!  Razz


Not just anyone could deal with that type of pressure!


Tell me about it! Look at what happened to poor Donna!  Laughing
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« Reply #189 on: July 27, 2007, 10:03:25 AM »

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Aruba and its officials probably spent more time blocking the investigation / monitoring the family's whereabouts / examining their every move then investigating the crime and its perpetrators.

They (ALE) all knew what happened within 2-3 days.

It was like the Hollway / Twitty family was a gerbil inside of a maze trying to reach a piece of cheese. After a while, when the gerbil finally reached the cheese, after long painstaking strides, the ALE (on the outside of the cage) would lift them by the tail and place them back at 'START.'

The family had no idea what they were up against initially.  They assumed the legal system to operate somewhat congruent to that of the USA.  It took a while to figure out that everyhting was not above board and, by that point, it may have been too late.  WOW - the thought of people inserted into the picture to intentionally misguide the family, steering them in the wrong direction, give them poor advice, distracting them on one part of the island to prevent them from seeing the truth on the opposite end of the island. CRUEL. The family was so disadvantaged from the onset - they didn't stand a chance.
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You talk as if you are speaking for the family.


NOT THE CASE - JUST MY PERSONAL OBSERVATIONS !!!
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« Reply #190 on: July 27, 2007, 10:04:03 AM »

Hi Monkeys... before we do the renovations.. if anyone wanted anything out of cafepress  ... they need to order it today.  it's gone after that... there will be new stuff added but this is it for the vintage stuff...


I have a lot of work to do but will bbl ... see y'all this afternoon!!
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« Reply #191 on: July 27, 2007, 10:04:24 AM »

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http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/02/ng.01.html

Oh man, on June 2 Nancy Grace was all over Jan and the HI dropoff. He shoulda listened, and taken note. Instead he canonizes the *3 school boys*.


All of Van der Straaten's answers:

NANCY GRACE for Thursday, June 2, 2005, CNNHN

Aired June 2, 2005 - 20:00:00   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.

GRACE: Let me go to Aruba District Police commissioner Jan Van Derstraten.

Welcome, Commissioner. Thank you for being with us. Sir...

JAN VAN DERSTRATEN, ARUBA DISTRICT POLICE: Good evening.

GRACE: ... could you tell me about the men that were seen with Natalee last? What has become of them? I understand they have been questioned and released.

DERSTRATEN: No, no, that`s not the question. The police started an investigation. And the police have to do investigation and has a search Tuesday morning, a search with helicopters. And we started -- today, we did a big search with a lot of people with the Dutch marine, too, and with the coast guard, tried to find the girl.

And the family was here, too. We talked with the mother. Everyday we talk with the mother. And we talk -- it was true that the young girl was in a nightclub together with other young people, young boys, local boys. And they were together.

And the investigation team (UNINTELLIGIBLE) as witnesses, and that`s the reason why we talked with them. That`s the law in Aruba, that if you talk with witnesses, they are not suspects.

GRACE: Commissioner Jan Van Derstraten with us. Commissioner, what did the men tell you that Natalee left the club with?

DERSTRATEN: No, they left the club about 2 o`clock, 1 o`clock, 1:30, and they were together in a car. And the girl met the other boys of the school who are in the Holiday Inn. And the girl said, "I go to take a trip over to Aruba," and the boys were together. And the boys told us that they bring the girl back about 2 o`clock in the morning to the hotel.

GRACE: We`re looking at a picture right now. It`s almost 20 miles long, six miles across.

Back to Commissioner Jan Van Derstraten. Commissioner, are you looking, searching in any particular area?

DERSTRATEN: Yes, we are looking on the west point by the lighthouse. You can see that maybe on the map. But other than that we are searching today with the marine and with the coast guard, too.

And yes, we are looking the last three days. The family brought a lot of flyers to gasoline stations and other buildings (UNINTELLIGIBLE) and they give tips to the investigation team. And the investigation, up until now, we don`t find the girl.

GRACE: Are you convinced that she ever made it to her hotel, Commissioner?

DERSTRATEN: Yes, that`s part of the investigation. I hope you can understand that, because the impact on the island is very great, big for us, because, yes, you know, we are a happy island, but we are a safety island. And we have a low crime rate. So everyone is in force now to look and to search for the girl.

GRACE: Take a listen to this.

GRACE: Commissioner Jan Van Derstraten is with us from Aruba. Commissioner, when exactly was she reported missing?

DERSTRATEN: She was reported missing on Monday morning.

GRACE: Monday morning. Let me go back to Tiffany...

DERSTRATEN: Yes (UNINTELLIGIBLE) police.

GRACE: OK, back to Commissioner Jan Van Derstraten. Commissioner, about these young men that you interviewed, they are not suspects at this juncture?

DERSTRATEN: Until now. Until now they are not suspects, no.

GRACE: They had told they dropped her off at her hotel. I believe it was the Holiday Inn there in Aruba. Do either of them have a criminal record?

DERSTRATEN: No, there are no criminal records for them. Young people -- they are going to school. And young people on the same -- from the same age, yes, certainly.

GRACE: For those of you planning a summer vacation, this girl, Natalee Holloway, went on a class trip, her high school senior class trip, to Aruba. She has never been seen again.

Welcome back, I`m Nancy Grace. Joining us from Aruba, the Aruba district police commissioner, Jan Van Derstraten.

Commissioner, as of tonight, what is the latest? What are your people doing to try to find Natalee?

DERSTRATEN: Yes. We have a lot of police. We went to the TV. We let see the portrait and asked for tips. We checked all the tips we get. But until now, we have nothing on this small island.

And the investigation is going on, too. And I hope you can understand, I can`t tell everything about the investigation. But we are still going on with about 16 police officers, together with the FBI. They were on the island, too.

GRACE: So the FBI is there?

DERSTRATEN: Yes, we are working close together. He arrived yesterday, and we picked him up at the airport. And...

GRACE: Commissioner, are you convinced in your heart and in your mind that this girl made it back to her hotel that night?

DERSTRATEN: Yes, but that`s the point. That`s under investigation now. And on the first day, you hope that you can find the girl together with other girls and other boys on the beach or somewhere else. The second day, you hope that again. And after three or four days, you are thinking about other things. And the investigation is...

GRACE: I have got a question for you, Commissioner. I know that the young men she was with, that she left at a disco with, say they dropped her off there at the hotel. I believe the Holiday Inn.

DERSTRATEN: Yes.

GRACE: The desk clerk did not see her come in. Could you...

DERSTRATEN: That`s correct, yes.

GRACE: Could you give me the configuration of the hotel? Would she have to walk past the desk clerk to get to her room?

DERSTRATEN: No, that`s not necessary. She can go another way, too, because she was sleeping in the third building of the hotel. She can go outside. She can go via the casinos. She can go all the way to the sleeping rooms.

So that`s the point. But she did not arrive in the sleeping room. But it`s not necessary, especially necessary that she had to see her at the lobby.

GRACE: Right, right.
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« Reply #192 on: July 27, 2007, 10:18:12 AM »

LOOKS LIKE Mr. Reality has done a little hacking overnight on the
http://www.worldwidemart.com/arubaforum/index.php?act=SF&f=16& site ...
clicking on many links in here give you a message of this sort>>>
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Date: Friday 27th of July 2007 10:12:15 AM



NOW YOU TELL ME....if this were NOT Robin's Reality...then why hack??
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« Reply #193 on: July 27, 2007, 10:19:22 AM »

SORRY I DID IT...I BLEW THE MARGINS....waaaaaaa.so sorry but it was important, lol[/b]
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« Reply #194 on: July 27, 2007, 10:31:35 AM »

A huge lie by Van der Straten here. Says she could have gone in another entrance but HE KNEW BY THEN the three suspects never dropped her off at THE LOBBY where they said they did. By june 2nd he had seen the videos and knew they had lied.



GRACE: Commissioner, are you convinced in your heart and in your mind that this girl made it back to her hotel that night?

DERSTRATEN: Yes, but that`s the point. That`s under investigation now. And on the first day, you hope that you can find the girl together with other girls and other boys on the beach or somewhere else. The second day, you hope that again. And after three or four days, you are thinking about other things. And the investigation is...

GRACE: I have got a question for you, Commissioner. I know that the young men she was with, that she left at a disco with, say they dropped her off there at the hotel. I believe the Holiday Inn.

DERSTRATEN: Yes.

GRACE: The desk clerk did not see her come in. Could you...

DERSTRATEN: That`s correct, yes.

GRACE: Could you give me the configuration of the hotel? Would she have to walk past the desk clerk to get to her room?

DERSTRATEN: No, that`s not necessary. She can go another way, too, because she was sleeping in the third building of the hotel. She can go outside. She can go via the casinos. She can go all the way to the sleeping rooms.
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« Reply #195 on: July 27, 2007, 10:36:21 AM »

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SORRY I DID IT...I BLEW THE MARGINS....waaaaaaa.so sorry but it was important, lol[/b]


The site map there pulls up all porn links....the search menu says it's been disabled...coincidence that the error shows up today?  mmmm
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« Reply #196 on: July 27, 2007, 10:36:52 AM »

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A huge lie by Van der Straten here. Says she could have gone in another entrance but HE KNEW BY THEN the three suspects never dropped her off at THE LOBBY where they said they did. By june 2nd he had seen the videos and knew they had lied.



GRACE: Commissioner, are you convinced in your heart and in your mind that this girl made it back to her hotel that night?

DERSTRATEN: Yes, but that`s the point. That`s under investigation now. And on the first day, you hope that you can find the girl together with other girls and other boys on the beach or somewhere else. The second day, you hope that again. And after three or four days, you are thinking about other things. And the investigation is...

GRACE: I have got a question for you, Commissioner. I know that the young men she was with, that she left at a disco with, say they dropped her off there at the hotel. I believe the Holiday Inn.

DERSTRATEN: Yes.

GRACE: The desk clerk did not see her come in. Could you...

DERSTRATEN: That`s correct, yes.

GRACE: Could you give me the configuration of the hotel? Would she have to walk past the desk clerk to get to her room?

DERSTRATEN: No, that`s not necessary. She can go another way, too, because she was sleeping in the third building of the hotel. She can go outside. She can go via the casinos. She can go all the way to the sleeping rooms.

I agree Dayhiker.  Basically Beth's early arrival didn't give them enough time to think up that lie.  When she caught them they said we dropped her off in front.  They couldn't change their story and say oh no we dropped her off in the back or side entrance.
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« Reply #197 on: July 27, 2007, 10:38:32 AM »

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Goon At School: 5/30/05?

Lala'sMom writes: "...Instead, we have many people trying to confuse once again. This is the reason I asked this morning about the story that Joran said she was dead when he came to school. I think that was more hearsay and it was repeated until it became accepted fact..."

Agreed there is much confusion surrounding this point, and Paulus' evasiveness in PV doesn't help.

The report of "hit her head while swimming and drowned" was a published report, I believe in National Enquirer.  It was in print, and not an invented story.  It was reported also that this is what jvds was telling classmates.

At one point long ago, this was the subject of much discussion here.  Among the things that remained open, was whether this "drowning" report was referencing in-school discussion for Monday 5/30/05 OR Tuesday 5/31/05.

Wadlaws statement seems to be saying that goon had to visit the "nurse's office" (or in school medical facility) on both Monday AND Tuesday, because he was "sick".

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« Reply #198 on: July 27, 2007, 10:43:56 AM »

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LOOKS LIKE Mr. Reality has done a little hacking overnight on the
http://www.worldwidemart.com/arubaforum/index.php?act=SF&f=16& site ...
clicking on many links in here give you a message of this sort>>>
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Date: Friday 27th of July 2007 10:12:15 AM



NOW YOU TELL ME....if this were NOT Robin's Reality...then why hack??


There's only one Reality and that's HIM.    Too bad he was caught before he had a chance to hack!  Laughing
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« Reply #199 on: July 27, 2007, 11:07:55 AM »

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Shango said the key to the Hague did not exist

that door to eden remains closed

until the house with the path

But not of gold
is entered

<snippity snip>

I think what Shango and Simian are saying is that a underground rave party was where the 4 went (kalpoes, jvds, nh). drugs and other vices were involved including xtc. this leads to many tangled webs as the drug dealers and polis are friendly with one another. if the “one” speaks out he will bring down the entire operation. The polis and the drug dealers have enough (or at least they hope) pull to keep the truth from coming out.

Comment by buyme | June 27, 2005, 9:49 pm
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I posted about a month ago that I thought that (sheesh, now I've got to dig for that post)
Natalee had picked in advance for a *purpose*
(insert comic drawing from Canada here)
much more siniater than a little pimp fun.....the pimps are just the procurers for the elders...pimps the *dogs* who get the scraps...sorry to sound so crass here, please excuse. BTW, Paulus is an Elder.
I think Anita is too.

I included in that post that I thought that it was for  a very select, very wealthy group, they got a souvenir to take with them....a snuff film.

Lorenzo, I also posted is not in jail because of some pot plants...he is there to protect him/keep him from chirping.?

Lorenzos' house has the basement disco /rave party room/ I also posted..what else is underground there.  Maybe the *stinky cave* where other bodies might be, both male and female...remember pervs have many differing appetites....god I know I sound like a nut case here, but I'm putting my own speculations out in space just like others.

Iv researching Shango Cult in Aruba..I came upon some very interesting voodoo like customs still practiced by the locals there....I'll find the link and repost it here. I do beleive that secret societies exsist in many cultures, they have their rituals. and BIG MONEY is almost always part of them. FEAR is the glue in these societies....

Oh crap....I'm gonna stop here until I've had a cup of coffee...I sound like a rambling idiot even to myself right now.

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