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« Reply #340 on: July 27, 2007, 03:05:49 PM »

Wonder who the heck those Freebirds are.  Confused

Who ever they are... they are like the Rocket Scientists of this case. That's still a good thing.. I think.  Smile
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« Reply #341 on: July 27, 2007, 03:08:36 PM »

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I have a question. After two years, why has the Diario learned nothing on Lorenzo?

or are they not learning on purpose?


Seems like no one wanted to say anything about him since the very beginning. All very hush hush and mysterious about Lorenzo.


In my theory ... Lorenzo's home plays a crucial role in the events of the morning when Natalee Holloway went missing.

TAMIKOSMOM'S THEORY

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=1059&start=0


Your theory is very plausible thanks for posting the link!

What if the party was at Lorenzo's and the VDS were still there when that call was made, trying to figure out how to dispose of her body and Paulus was called in to help? She very well may have been statshed at Lorenzo's house when her family arrived in Aruba. Just thinking out loud.
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« Reply #342 on: July 27, 2007, 03:11:19 PM »

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Wonder who the heck those Freebirds are.  Confused

Who ever they are... they are like the Rocket Scientists of this case. That's still a good thing.. I think.  Smile


Believe it or not I don't know who they are.  I simply receive the latest posts and post it for them here at SM.
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« Reply #343 on: July 27, 2007, 03:11:33 PM »

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Wonder who the heck those Freebirds are.  Confused

Who ever they are... they are like the Rocket Scientists of this case. That's still a good thing.. I think.  Smile
I have also wondered. I like to think they are Natalee's friends from MB.
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« Reply #344 on: July 27, 2007, 03:12:23 PM »

What if....

Joran and the Kalpokes are not at Lorenzo's. But Paulus is????

Joran made some comment about Paulus having his mother's phone....
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« Reply #345 on: July 27, 2007, 03:15:41 PM »

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Call me naive, but does anyone  think the investigation by KLPD turned up evidence that linked Lorenzo? I believe the pot/ and drugs were just an "excuse" to book him. Afterall I don't think these are new operations(pot/drugs hence his nicknames) therefore the fiorst times his house was searched in 2005 ALE likely saw and knew all about it.



Lorenzo has had two years to feel all comfy about his involvement in the case. With a nic like Xtasy no doubt he had some around the house. IMO, all we heard about was the weed. There's more. BB, do you think they found some forensics first time around as was rumored and this was possibly Cohen's slip up to the media?


I don't remember Cohens slip specifically........but  if Natalee were there, I would think it's very possible something could be found. Maybe not forensics , but pictures? film clips? as we have talked about before, I am pretty sure that Natalee was not the first tourist girl to be taken to "party" at Lorenzo's, so possibly pics/films of others too?  I have said these many times, and it is one reason for my continuing to follow this case over the months is because I was convinced from the very first that  there was more to Natalee's disappearance than we were being told.......Freddies name was brought up early, and it was on his Tickle site that he listed among his "favorite activities", f_ _ _ ing at parties followed by his  arrest in august for what he admitted to in june..........hmmmmm we have heard little from aruba about any of this and what has come out has been retracted or never mentioned again even by Jossy.
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« Reply #346 on: July 27, 2007, 03:16:52 PM »

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Thanks for this reminder Janet.......this snip tells it all. It tells us exactly what the PIMPS have been up to, and it tells us that authorities are fully aware. Remember Freddie was released very soon after his arrest......

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Helen Lejuez - Family's Aruban Attorney
Benvinda de Souza - Family's Aruban Attorney
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August 27, 2005

BENVINDA DE SOUZA - ATTORNEY : The rearrest of the Kalpoe brothers is based on the new facts and circumstances that in the course of the investigation have come forward. Freddy who is Joranís best friend and neighbour is always with Joran and the Kalpoe brothers has also been arrested. The official charges on Freddy Zedan-Arambatzis are intentionally distribute and show sexual images of a minor; intercourse with someone he knows is unconscious and sexual acts with a girl younger than 16 years. I do believe he will remain in custody for quite some time. It is my understanding, that strategically he is a very important suspect along with Joran and the Kalpoe brothers..



Yes, Freddy was released in the middle of the night.


Why?  What happen to the "serious" suspicions that less than one week earlier warranted Freddy's detention.

Why was he released at approximately the same time of Joran, Deepak and Satish if his detainment had no relation to the Natalee Holloway case?

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Right on Sunfreak!!!

I hope you are having a good day ... I think of you often.

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« Reply #347 on: July 27, 2007, 03:18:20 PM »

MF @ FOB Posted: Fri Jul 27th, 2007 05:25 am
The preliminary numbers for April 2007 shows an increase of 7.2% in tourists compared to 2006.

The Average occupancy for the two months that followed were 72.6% and 78.5%

Airport's passenger traffic saw an increase of 8.1% the first 6 months of 2007 compared to 2006.

Also the FCCA (Florida Caribbean Cruise Association) conducted an analysis by the company "Business Research and Economic Advisors" recently and named ARUBA as the number 1 destination for Cruise Tourism.

Furthermore, Aruba positioned itself as number 1 in 10 of the 12 categories analyzed.

According to data given by the CTO (Caribbean Tourism Organization), during the cruise season of 2006 (May 2005-April 2006) Aruba got 563.082 Cruise passengers of which 85% (478.620) visited the island. Also a total of 89.562 (40%) Cruise staff members also visited the island, while docked at the harbour. This generated a total of $66.200.000,- in revenue for the island.

The categories that Aruba took the number 1 position were from Best Destination, Most likely to be suggested to friends and family, Initial Welcome feeling, Best Safety, the best Habitant's hospitality and Friendliness of employees, Best Beaches, Best Shopping Experience, Better Shopping Variety, General pricing, Best Taxi services and Public Transportation.

Just for you to know.
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« Reply #348 on: July 27, 2007, 03:18:39 PM »

What is it with these hate mongers on other sites always coming out with this ďBethís liesĒ crap?  Did anyone ever leave with Beth and completely disappear?  Has Beth ever given false testimony repeatedly in a missing personís case?  Has Beth written a book stating that she is a chronic, habitual liar?

That chit wears on me at times.  They canít address the fact that their hero is an admitted liar, so they libel Beth.  What a bunch of sick low lives!
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« Reply #349 on: July 27, 2007, 03:21:58 PM »

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What is it with these hate mongers on other sites always coming out with this ďBethís liesĒ crap?  Did anyone ever leave with Beth and completely disappear?  Has Beth ever given false testimony repeatedly in a missing personís case?  Has Beth written a book stating that she is a chronic, habitual liar?

That chit wears on me at times.  They canít address the fact that their hero is an admitted liar, so they libel Beth.  What a bunch of sick low lives!


     
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« Reply #350 on: July 27, 2007, 03:25:44 PM »

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What if....

Joran and the Kalpokes are not at Lorenzo's. But Paulus is????

Joran made some comment about Paulus having his mother's phone....


that is possible . . . IMO
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« Reply #351 on: July 27, 2007, 03:28:43 PM »

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What is it with these hate mongers on other sites always coming out with this ďBethís liesĒ crap?  Did anyone ever leave with Beth and completely disappear?  Has Beth ever given false testimony repeatedly in a missing personís case?  Has Beth written a book stating that she is a chronic, habitual liar?

That chit wears on me at times.  They canít address the fact that their hero is an admitted liar, so they libel Beth.  What a bunch of sick low lives!


MIP6 AND REALITY - ARE THEY PART OF THE DISINFORMATION CAMPAIGN.

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=1896&start=0
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« Reply #352 on: July 27, 2007, 03:31:55 PM »

O/T

Does everyone remember Zsa Zsa's hubby the prince?

Prince Frederic Von Anhalt, the husband of Zsa Zsa Gabor and one of the men who claimed he could be the father of Anna Nicole Smithís baby girl, was found naked in the back seat of his car this week and told police that three women mugged him, according to NBC4.com.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,291223,00.html

Why do I have the feeling there is more to this story?  Cool
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« Reply #353 on: July 27, 2007, 03:40:43 PM »

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Thanks for this reminder Janet.......this snip tells it all. It tells us exactly what the PIMPS have been up to, and it tells us that authorities are fully aware. Remember Freddie was released very soon after his arrest......

++++++++++++++

Helen Lejuez - Family's Aruban Attorney
Benvinda de Souza - Family's Aruban Attorney
At Large w/ Geraldo Rivera
August 27, 2005

BENVINDA DE SOUZA - ATTORNEY : The rearrest of the Kalpoe brothers is based on the new facts and circumstances that in the course of the investigation have come forward. Freddy who is Joranís best friend and neighbour is always with Joran and the Kalpoe brothers has also been arrested. The official charges on Freddy Zedan-Arambatzis are intentionally distribute and show sexual images of a minor; intercourse with someone he knows is unconscious and sexual acts with a girl younger than 16 years. I do believe he will remain in custody for quite some time. It is my understanding, that strategically he is a very important suspect along with Joran and the Kalpoe brothers..



Yes, Freddy was released in the middle of the night.


Why?  What happen to the "serious" suspicions that less than one week earlier warranted Freddy's detention.

Why was he released at approximately the same time of Joran, Deepak and Satish if his detainment had no relation to the Natalee Holloway case?

Janet


Noraina Pietersz - Defence Attorney
Associated Press
June 9, 2005


Under Aruban law, only serious suspicion from investigators ó not solid evidence ó is needed for a judge to rule that suspects can be held, Pietersz said.


Susan Candiotti - CNN Correspondent
NANCY GRACE
August 31, 2005


SUSAN CANDIOTTI, : And then, Nancy, something else was introduced into evidence, that the defense attorneys claim is not new, has been in the file for two months, and they can`t understand what this has to do with Natalee`s disappearance. And I`m a little uncertain about that, as well.

It involves another young man who law enforcement tells me has nothing to do with Natalee`s disappearance, who took some photographs of a 14-year- old girl, described as of a provocative nature, while Joran supposedly watched, as well as Deepak and a couple other young girls. Again, I`m not clear what this has to do with the case directly.


Diana Emerencia - Freddy's Aruban Attorney
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August 31, 2005


ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) ó ...... A third man was arrested with the Kalpoes but his lawyer said Monday that it was unrelated to Holloway's disappearance.

Freddy Alexander Zedan-Arambatzis, a friend of van der Sloot and the Kalpoes, was arrested on suspicion of having unspecified "physical contact" with a female minor, said his lawyer, Diana Emerencia.

Zedan-Arambatzis, 21, is also suspected of photographing the girl in "tempting poses" and showing the images to other people, Emerencia said.

The Kalpoe brothers and van der Sloot are also suspected of involvement in the incidents, which allegedly occurred before Holloway disappeared, she said.

Emerencia said Zedan-Arambatzis has denied having any physical contact with the girl or taking photos of her, but has admitted to being present when the photos were taken.

The prosecutor's office declined to comment on the case.


Sometimes I wonder if Freddy was brought in and threatened with these charges to make him go along with the plan.  Right after that Joran was released from prison a few days later.  Was Freddy being difficult.  I believe it was Freddy's father that got up from a meeting with Paulus and was going to leave.  Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Was there a power struggle between the Arambatzis family and the Van der Sloots.
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« Reply #354 on: July 27, 2007, 03:43:50 PM »

O/T and REALLY SICK!


Ohio School Computer Tech Accused of Trying to Buy Children for Sexual Torture


Friday , July 27, 2007

An Ohio school computer technician with two stepchildren and a backyard swimming pool has been accused of trying to hire a woman in Miami to let him nearly drown her two daughters for his sexual pleasure.

The Green local school district in suburban Akron moved quickly to cut ties to Jeff Doland, 45, of Uniontown, following his arrest after authorities said he flew to Miami believing he was going to meet a mother who would let him "dunk" her 9- and 12-year-old daughters for $550.

Superintendent Wade Lucas said the district shut down Doland's access to district information late Wednesday as the arrest was announced by the Florida attorney general. "It is my understanding that he had no direct contact with children," Lucas said.

Doland was Green's director of technology until April, when he accepted a job with a computer company that provides technology services to the district on a contract basis. He had an office in Green Intermediate School.

Doland was jailed to await an Aug. 15 court hearing on charges that he offered to pay for the dunking during an online conversation with a Secret Service agent who had posed as a mother in an Internet chat room. After arriving in Miami on Wednesday, Doland described to another undercover agent what his intentions were, including binding the young girls underwater, authorities said.

Doland was charged with having computer pornography and promoting a sexual performance with a child. His bond initially was set at $12,500 but was raised to $1 million on Thursday at the request of a prosecutor.

Doland, appearing Thursday before Judge Fred Seraphin, asked about pleading guilty. The judge said such a plea to serious charges wasn't allowed at that stage of the legal proceedings against Doland.

No defense attorney for him was listed on jail records Thursday and no family member could be reached for comment. Messages seeking comment were left for him at jail offices and at his home, where officers with a search warrant seized computer equipment on Wednesday.

Florida authorities said that, in Internet chat-room conversations that began in April, Doland told the agent that "dunking" was his form of sexual gratification, and he claimed that he "liked watching the bubbles." He wanted to dunk the girls and then lift them from the water when they were unconscious, authorities said.
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« Reply #355 on: July 27, 2007, 03:56:20 PM »

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Ohio School Computer Tech Accused of Trying to Buy Children for Sexual Torture

Friday , July 27, 2007

An Ohio school computer technician with two stepchildren and a backyard swimming pool has been accused of trying to hire a woman in Miami to let him nearly drown her two daughters for his sexual pleasure.



What the hell is going on in this world.  Truly a sick, sick person.
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« Reply #356 on: July 27, 2007, 04:02:27 PM »

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Ohio School Computer Tech Accused of Trying to Buy Children for Sexual Torture

Friday , July 27, 2007

An Ohio school computer technician with two stepchildren and a backyard swimming pool has been accused of trying to hire a woman in Miami to let him nearly drown her two daughters for his sexual pleasure.



What the hell is going on in this world.  Truly a sick, sick person.


What a FREAK indeed.  People like this need to be drawn and quartered in the town square. Evil or Very Mad
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« Reply #357 on: July 27, 2007, 04:03:27 PM »

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Ohio School Computer Tech Accused of Trying to Buy Children for Sexual Torture

Friday , July 27, 2007

An Ohio school computer technician with two stepchildren and a backyard swimming pool has been accused of trying to hire a woman in Miami to let him nearly drown her two daughters for his sexual pleasure.



What the hell is going on in this world.  Truly a sick, sick person.


when a society is this ill... it's time for serious medicine. I suggest public executions... and none of this 20 years in jail stuff before the execution. Watch the crime rate drop when people see others with their heads rollin into a basket.
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« Reply #358 on: July 27, 2007, 04:03:32 PM »

Is the world just getting sicker and sicker?
This guy is just dispicable. And he lived with 2 children, and was working on a school campus every day. I find that terrifying.

I'm almost to the point where I think there may be no limit to the depravities some people need to give themselves a thrill. It's like none of these people ever put the brakes on their desires anymore, or even entertain the idea of limits on their sick fantasies.
I feel like the depraved are just like roaches.....multiplying and mutating constantly, immune to most forms of control..... and then they scatter when you turn on the lights.
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« Reply #359 on: July 27, 2007, 04:15:00 PM »

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