Old posts from MB students

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I have found some old posts (or copies of old posts).  I'm not sure how authentic they are.

I don't know how many of you read the Scared Monkeys website. There are two posters named "---" and "Justin T" who were on the trip with Natalee. From what I have read, I think that "---" (called Dash by other posters) was interviewed with the boy on Fox one time. She mentions that Natalee helped her pass Calculus, and that's what she said on the interview.

Anyhow, Justin T clears up many of the Internet rumors. I have gathered the following information from Justin T's posts:

*Natalee met Joran that Sunday night at the casino. She briefly introduced herself to Joran because she was sitting at the same game table. It was due to politeness, not because she was interested in him.
*He implies that Joran was already at C&C's when they showed up. This surprised them because Joran told the MB kids that no one went to C&C's on Sunday.
*He said they recognized Joran because he had been gambling at HI all week.
*He said no one knew Deepak or Satish because they had never been around before.
*He stresses that Natalee was anti-drugs and did not drink a lot.
*Natalee had not hooked up with anyone that week and definitely was not promiscuous.
*She looked tired that night (eyelids heavy).
*She spent most of the night dancing, mainly with MB group (and not in a provocative manner).
*He says that there is no way, under normal circumstances, that she would have left alone with three strange individuals.
*He seems pretty confident that this isn't the first time this trio has done this (however, with a different outcome).
*He says that a PI team (ex-FBI agents) is headed to Aruba.

There are two other MBHS students who also post on that forum. Their hats are MBHS05 and Country Moon. If anyone is interested in reading their posts, go to http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/. You might have to register to gain entry.

I did a search on the posters and then selected the option to read all of their posts.

These kids seem sincere and not covering for anyone. I am so confused that I just don't know what to think.

Has anyone else read these posters' posts? If so, what do you think?


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24 posted on 07/08/2005 11:00:01 AM PDT by dc-zoo
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To: truthluva
Here some more setting people straight by MB students at SM
"I know you directed this to MB however, I thought I would answer it anyway. FIRST for about the 100th time Natalee doesn't do drugs. Second no its not true that they told her not to get into the car. That was started by a so called email that one of the brothers wrote. anther one of his lies.--Justin"
"Did Natalie kiss or dance suggestively with Joran at Carlos & Charlies? Did Sean or Natalie's cousin Twitty or anyone else actually get in an argument with Joran earlier in the week? "
"Did Natalie hook up with any other guys earlier in the week?
"Someone posted on another board that earlier in the week Natalie had asked a worker at a watersports booth where she could find drugs. Any truth to that one?"
"Did Natalie do drugs that night?"
"Did you know of her to smoke weed or do any other drugs before?"
"Certainly not blaming her or suggesting she deserved anything. She certainly didn't. Just trying to judge what shape she was in to reject any unwanted advances if any came her way. I understand if you are not comfortable responding to some of these questions and if that is the case, feel free to answer some and avoid others. Thanks for any info you can give. Just trying to help figure this whole thing out."
"Here are your answers:"
"NO not at all"
" No not the cousins but someone else and it was very minor."
"No she ABSOLUTELY did not hook up with anyone else that week."
"Natalee did not do drugs does not do drugs and if she had any it was without her knowledge." Justin




Here's more from "Country Moon" and mbhs05
"2. Nat was not with Joran the whole trip. He first apeared at the Casino where out of just common conversation he had spoken with her."
"By all accounts she was NOT acting interested in Joran. I wasn't there, but this is what people have said...that it was nothing out of the ordinary and that she was not exclusively with him that night. I don't know anything about the arguement, except that it happened...I don't know exactly who was involved...I have my suspicions, but I'd rather not post them. At this point, anything other than "it happened" is rumor. I've heard nothing about other guys. She doesn't seem to be overly interested in guys in general. "
"As far as I know she didn't do drugs...ever. The only reason I won't say things for CERTAIN is because I'm trying to reinforce that I am not a close friend...some of things people ask me, I cannot answer. JustinT sounds like he's a better source than me, and I know CountryMoon is. But Natalee is no druggie. I can pretty much say for sure that she didn't ask about drugs...again I was not there, but from what I know of her this is VERY unlikely. LIke.0000000000000000000000000000065478694%. See above as to why I never donfirm anything."
"That night she could have been slipped some...but I don't know that for sure either. Other students don't seem to think that she was acting weird. But I mean it would be pretty easy for those guys to put something in her drink to put her off guard."
" In response to the voice message. No one seems to get this. I have like repeated it over and over again. The message was on a cell phone not on a machine in AL. Mrs. T. thought it was Natalee, but like I have discussed with fellow members from the trip and adults as well, Mrs. T. is so upset and distraut by all of this she could possibly hear anything and think its Natalee just out of hope and desperation. The message is too garbled to really distinct any person as to who it may be. HOWEVER no one has since come forward to say that it was their message."

26 posted on 07/08/2005 11:11:22 AM PDT by monkeywrench (Deut. 27:17 Cursed be he that removeth his neighbor's landmark)
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I could be wrong but I think this is also Alana Jordan posting at HCGTV.Net/Com back on 6-7-05. I believe I copied most of her posts and if you read through it her and Natalee are constantly being attacked and she leaves the site just after a day or so. This thread has some very vile and disgusting people on them and Admin did a horrible job moderating the site. There are much better reads on the other thread that have a couple of honest Arubans posting like 4G63  http://hcgtv.net/viewtopic.php?id=1086&p=1



http://hcgtv.net/viewtopic.php?id=1059&p=14

Re: Natalee Holloway missing
Hawk In Virginia, yes I am a friend of Natalee's and that's why these ridiculous posts hurt me so badly.  Believe it or not, we read these things hoping that other people will express their support and hope for her safe return.  I have never been so offended by anything in my life as I have been by some of the things said here.  I'm begging the webmaster to please shut this site down for our sakes.  It seems that everywhere I look on message boards people are slandering her and all of us.  It really makes me sick. 
Also, I know that Natalee would never have consented to having sex with these men as they allege.  That is how I know she was raped.  She is a good girl.  Please stop all of this insanity.
2005-06-07 11:52 am
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Re: Natalee Holloway missing
I don't see how the "vibe" of the club is an issue.  It was a night club, it was like any other night club.  We were given the impression that it was very safe environment and a good tourist hangout.  Members of my group went every night since we got to Aruba.  I personally didn't get to go until the last night, but if it was thought to be seedy the first time, I doubt people would keep coming back.  I was one of the last people to talk to Natalee, but never actually saw her get in the car.  I'm assuming that the people who did thought the same thing I did, that she was on her way back to the hotel.

Wes, if you want to give me your E-mail, I can talk to you about the issue privately.
http://hcgtv.net/viewtopic.php?id=1059&p=16

#410 2005-06-07 12:29 pm
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Re: Natalee Holloway missing
Look, I just wanted to find people who cared about Natalee, and it looks like "Praying" is one of very few.  I thank you a lot for your kind words, but the rest of you have no business attacking me or anyone else.  You weren't there, so you don't know the circumstances.  I'd appriciate it if you'd not be so hostile towards me.  I'm just trying to help.  Someone close to me is missing and I just want her back.  I wish you would have a little compassion.

#381 2005-06-07 11:07 am
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Re: Natalee Holloway missing
Thank you so much to Tina and "Praying" and all of you who have offered kind words.  It really does help.  To those of you who think that Natalee is dead, (wow, I didn't realize how difficult it would be to type those words) I understand your point of view, but I honestly believe she is still alive.  I have said from the beginning that I thought she was probably sold into prostitution in Venezuela, so I really wish they would look there.  Of course, I don't know where she is, but I just can't believe that anyone, no matter how heartless could spend more than 5 minutes with her and still be able to kill her.  She is such a wonderful person, beautiful from the inside out.  This is an extremely difficult time for me right now (I saw a picture of us together on the news yesterday and just about lost it) so hearing support from others is very helpful.  I want all the Aruban people on this site to know that of all of us involved, no one is blaming Aruba or its people.  We know that it is foolish to condemn the entire island because of the actions of a few people, most of whom were themselves not even Aruban.  We greatly appriciate all of the efforts put forth by the Aruban government regarding the search. 
I don't think I can continue to try to defend Natalee's character anymore, because it is very tiring.  However, I will say that to the woman who feels that young people are all drunken, promiscuous, and low moral individuals, it is obvious that you have never met Natalee.  She is a wonderful person, an honor student; she is the reason I was able to pass my AP Calculus class, she is mentor, a volunteer, a virgin until she was raped, and an all-around shining individual.  I hope she returns safely home very soon so she can get ready for college.  She will accomplish great things.
2005-06-07 1:00 pm
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Re: Natalee Holloway missing
Hey guys, I'm going to our prayer meeting now, if you could all say a little prayer for her within the next half hour, it would be greatly appriciated.  It may seem silly, but I really belive in the power of group prayer.  Thank you so much.

2005-06-07 11:32 am
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Re: Natalee Holloway missing
It's all over CNN. I chose not to watch the news because a lot of what they say is overexaggerated to the point where it is just ridiculous, but I turned it on yesterday with hopes that something new has been released.  I don't really care of you believe me, but this isn't about me.  It's about Natalee and her safe return.  I don't want to reveal too much about what happened on the trip, because I'm not sure how much my friends would want me to say. (I've already been kind of worried because of an interview I did with People magazine. I hope they don't take anything out of context.)  All I can say is that we love her a lot and want to come home.  I drove to one of my friend's house day before yesterday to get my laptop back that he had "babysat" while I was on th trip and on the way, EVERY house I passed had a yellow ribbon on it.  That really made an impact.  If you loved here you could see just how much Nat means to us and how greatly she is missed.  Please continue to pray for her.  (Also, even those of you who aren't a part of the Mountain Brook community, if you would like to place a yellow ribbon outside your house as a reminder to those passing to pray for Natalee, it would be mean a lot.)

2005-06-07 11:56 am
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Re: Natalee Holloway missing
JayJay... I see what you're saying, but you have to see this from my perspective, too.  Something horrible has just happened to my friend and people are flippantly saying that she is dead and we should give up, or posting sick and grotesque things are simply vile and offensive.  This lets me know that very few are sympathetic, so I dont want to say anything that could be misinterpretted or taken out of context.  I'm just trying to defend my friend.

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Re: Natalee Holloway missing
Nunya, you are an idiot.  Please don't post here anymore.  You don't know her, and you don't know what happened.  It is likely that she was drugged and taken.  Please don't talk about Natalee like you have any clue about who she is.  You don't.  She's a good kid, a smart girl, and that's why this is such a shock to us. YOU DON'T KNOW HER SO DON'T PASS JUDGEMENTS!

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Re: Natalee Holloway missing
People werent hooking up with natives in Aruba.  I know of two girls who got drunk and kissed (ONLY KISSED!) two Arubans but that was on a completely different night and Natalee was not one of them. She didn't even hang out with the two girls who did it.  The trip wasn't about sex, or really even about drinking, it was about going to a beautiful place and relaxing because we all worked our butts off this year and were faced with many tragedies this year (even before Natalee) and we just needed to unwind.  I guess we let our gaurd down, but we felt like we were in a safe place. (Namely, because we were.) None of us "let" this happen, it just happened.  I really wish people would quit blaming us... we feel bad enough already.
2005-06-07 2:24 pm

2005-06-07 2:31 pm
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Re: Natalee Holloway missing
Nunya, seriously, you have no idea what you're talking about.  I might be naive, but I'm not stupid.  I don't take "Mommy and Daddy's money" I have a job and I saved up and paid for my trip myself.  Believe it or not, not everyone in Mountain Brook is rich.  And besides, this isn't about me, it's about my friend who's missing, so please, if you can't be supportive, then just stop talking.

Seija, it's totally fine.  Thank you for your apology, but it's not needed.  I totally understand you being skeptical, and thank you for your kindness.

2005-06-07 2:34 pm
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Re: Natalee Holloway missing
hey whoever just posted as me with your ignorant "Girls just wnat to have fun" comment is an idiot.  Don't act like you're me and don't be stupid.  This page is about Natalee, I wish you heartless people would stop.  I'm leaving now and won't be back for a little bit, so if anyone else posts under my name with idiotic statements, please disregard them.

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#604 2005-06-07 9:39 pm
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Re: Natalee Holloway missing
Hey, I just got back and whoever has been posting as me, you are a sick individual.  You might not care, but I'm actually going through some rough stuff here... my friend is missing.  I think it's sick that you would mock me and pose as me because you think our pain is funny.  Please, find something better to do. (I've been gone since around 2:30, any posts from people claiming to be me are false.)
#606 2005-06-07 9:52 pm

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Re: Natalee Holloway missing
If we all want to dis each other why don't we all get on yahoo chat?  This site is for Natalee.  But before I go, --- get a edited life you were never Natalee's friend.  You never knew the girl.  If you were a friend you would have never let her leave with three strangers.  A friend doesn't do that.  Unless you were stoned.
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#611 2005-06-07 10:06 pm

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Re: Natalee Holloway missing
she's a edit people come on get real!!!! who goes with strangers in a car??? Plus she was drunk....... come on.... I onderstand for her family I can imagine how they feel we are doing our best to find her but pls not discrminate our Island!!!
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#612 2005-06-07 10:09 pm
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Re: Natalee Holloway missing
Look, I'm sick of this site.  I've never been so insulted in my life.  If anyone posts as me from here on out, it's not me... You people are sick.  I hope you realize that you are just further hurting those of us who have actually experienced a tragedy here, and I really wish you would think before you speak.  To those of you who were kind to me and to those who know Natalee, thank you again.  Bye

[Observer]

#104 2005-06-06 2:40 pm
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Re: Natalee Holloway missing
DB doesn't know what the hell he is talking about.  I am friends with Natalee and I was there. First of all, the guys she left with weren;t even black, they were Dutch, so your racist bullcrap is totally unjustified. Natalee is a smart girl and there is no doubt in my mind that foul play was involved.  Don't smear her name and her character when you clearly have no idea what kind of a person she is and/or the events of that night.  I wasn't going to post anything, but your ignorance warrants reply.  Please keep your unintelligible comments to yourself. 
Also, I think  people who keep blaming the chaperones and/or the people she was with should also refrain from such input.  The chaperones stuck their necks out for us and took on their responsibilities completely.  What happened is extremely unfortunate and maybe is was possibly preventable, however, we have all been battling a fierce depression and guilt from the events of that night, but really there's nothing we can do now but pray.  I wish you people would focus your energies towards praying and hoping and other positive means rather than wasting time and energy pointing fingers.  Please, just have a small bit of compassion.
Thank You
2005-06-06 3:00 pm
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Re: Natalee Holloway missing
And to "Trashy" and other people who have called her a "slut" you are completely idiotic.  Natalee is a good kid, and I know for a fact that she would never willing have sex with anyone she met there, much less 3 in the same night.  I am disgusted that the police would let them go when their story is so obviously false and even more disgusted that people who have no idea of her true character would defend these liars.  Natalee was a virgin and planned to be until she was married... we'd discussed it before.  You people make me phyiscally ill.  Please don't use this site to bash Natalee, her parents, her friends, or the chaperones.  You are totally out of line.
http://hcgtv.net/viewtopic.php?id=1059&p=5

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#136 2005-06-06 4:32 pm
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Re: Natalee Holloway missing
This is no place to share your theories about what Natalee "probably" did, what kind of person she is, what her morals are, etc.  Since ALL of you making these ridiculous comments about Natalee's morals don't know her personally, you have no right to call her a slut or question her judgement, much less question her parents or her upbringing.

We have no idea what has happened to her.  No one can say for sure that she got into the car with three men of her own free will.  No one can say that she wasn't drugged without her knowledge.  Since no one knows what motivated her to get into that car, no one should judge her for it.  Of course the 3 men she went with are going to say that she went willingly and anything they may have done was consentual.  How stupid do you think they are, that they would just admit harming her?  What is her side of the story?  Do any of you care?

Natalee would never say these things about any of you, even if they were true.  She devoted her life to helping people, caring for others, and leading a Christian life, which included not judging others.  It is absolutely disgusting that so many people are so quick to judge an innocent victim and acuse her of all of these vile things.  She is the VICTIM!!!!!!!!!!  How many of you want these horrible things we are all imagining may have happened to her to happen to someone you know, your sister, daughter, girlfriend, yourself?  How insensitive and crass can people be?  I would say that everyone who has made these terrible comments, who know nothing of the wonderful, caring, moral person Natalee is, are despicable.

Enough of blaming her!  We will know who to blame once the authorities uncover the truth.  Until then, keep your fingerpointing and judgements to yourselves and offer the words of encouragement to her family and friends that they so desperatly need.  Just picture someone you know, trust and respect in the same position as Natalee; think about how her disappearance would affect you, and how your comments would affect her family.  Where is the humanity?  Many of you should be ashamed of yourselves!

To Natalee's family and friends, we are praying for her safe return, and yes, prayers and support are worth something!  I know some of the people from our community who are in Aruba helping with the search, and I pray that they are successful and there is a happy ending to this horrible situation.
http://hcgtv.net/viewtopic.php?id=1059&p=6

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#188 2005-06-06 6:17 pm
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Re: Natalee Holloway missing
This is the last time I'm going to say this... I was with Natalee that night, I saw the men in question... They are not black! I have no idea how this "supportive" message board turned into an all-out race riot, but not only are all these racist comments unmerited, but they are also completely unrelated.  The guys weren't even black!  Natalee is a smart girl, a sweet girl, and a wonderful person.  I hope she gets back soon because our community needs her; the world needs her.  It is people like her that make up for pathetic idiots like some of the people posting here.  Natalee is not a "slut" nor is she stupid.  She is a victim.  It  sickens me that she must be further victimized by others' ignorance.  And Joe, my God have mercy on your soul.  You are a horrible, sadistic individual.
http://hcgtv.net/viewtopic.php?id=1059&p=8

[Observer]

2005-06-06 6:49 pm
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Re: Natalee Holloway missing
The chaperones did a very good job of keeping tabs on us.  The situation that occured on the last night we were there was very different from the pervious days.  We were all out very late (most of us didn't go to bed until about 4 or 5) and the chaperones lost a lot of sleep over us.  They should not be blamed for what happened, nor should Natalee's parents or the people who went on the trip with her.  We don't know where she is, but you should all know that we love her a lot and want nothing more than her safe return home.  Please don't waste time blaming others... spend that time praying for her return.
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