Lively Case Discussion #669 7/30 - 7/31/2007

[oldfart]

I did not find much on and Jupiter Research  owner / business connections
but did find this on their site From http://tinyurl.com/2phhsd

This statement is from the day the J2K were  arrested/detained.
Too me... still dammed early to be worried about tourism...

Will missing teen hurt Aruba’s tourism?

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Diane Clarkson | June 09, 2005, 03:11 PM

As an analyst, I’m often asked to comment on how international tragedies may affect inbound tourism in the countries they occur. This demands stepping outside my emotional reaction and looking at the situation in hard practical terms. Such is case now, with the disappearance of Alabama teen Natalee Holloway in Aruba and the question of whether is will spur a tourism crisis for the island.

Certainly the Aruba government and tourism officials are conscious of the impact this may have on their country’s reputation and tourism, and they have set a PR strategy in place.

The Aruba tourism board quickly posted a notice on their website about Miss. Holloway’s disappearance and contributed to the award money offered by the missing girl’s family. The Aruba government also contributed to award money, has co-operated with US and Dutch officials in the search, and closed its offices early on Monday to allow employees to participate in the search.

At this point, Travel Weekly reports that wholesalers have reported no cancellations or postponements in travel to Aruba.

I haven't seen any statements to suggest that Miss Holloway’s disappearance was politically motivated. It appears to be an isolated incident in a country with a low crime rate (one murder and six rapes were recorded last year). Given that, I believe this incident will not discourage Americans from travelling to Aruba.

And now, we wait with hope that Natalee Holloway will be reunited with her family.

[KarmaRoundUp]

Test post - 1 ---2----3

4 --- 5--- 6

It wouldn't let me post earlier, saying that 17 seconds beore someone had posted from my IP.  hmmmmm.........

AOL - someone else on AOL just happened to get the same IP

AOHell as we affectionately call it.

Smish/Karma tell them about getting kicked off so many times b/c of who the moderator on AOL was.

LOL...Hi SF!
I have no proof of that but one of the message board moderators(with all the TOS power)does fancy his trips to Aruba.All of us on Natalee's and Beth's side would get warnings,TOS's left and right while the dark side could and can post whatever evilness spills out of their souls.It sure was crazy,all that favoritism.

[San]

Apparently ... the ALE had check Deepak's vehicle prior to his May 31, 2005 statement which was taken at the police station at Bubali and ... did not notice blood or chocolate all over the car.  The interrogator implied that Deepak's vehicle was very clean.

Janet


Deepak Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 10, 2005

To your question whether I can remember the day when I was summoned to the police station at Bubali, I can say the following. Yes I remember that day.

You are telling to me that my car looked very clean on that day. About that I can state the following, I had vacuumed my car the previous day.

Thanks Janet
So Deepak is stating he cleaned the car the 30th of may correct?Which would have been monday?

Remember there was a witness that saw them washing the car at 2:30 or 3am on the 30th.

Yes and Dave said there was three of them cleaning it.

[Tamikosmom]

Apparently ... the ALE had check Deepak's vehicle prior to his May 31, 2005 statement which was taken at the police station at Bubali and ... did not notice blood or chocolate all over the car.  The interrogator implied that Deepak's vehicle was very clean.

Janet


Deepak Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 10, 2005

To your question whether I can remember the day when I was summoned to the police station at Bubali, I can say the following. Yes I remember that day.

You are telling to me that my car looked very clean on that day. About that I can state the following, I had vacuumed my car the previous day.

Thanks Janet
So Deepak is stating he cleaned the car the 30th of may correct?Which would have been monday?

Remember there was a witness that saw them washing the car at 2:30 or 3am on the 30th.

Klaas ... something does not make sense.  When was all the blood or chocolate observed in Deepak's vehicle?  On May 31, 2005 ... Deepak's interrogator implies that his vehicle is very clean ... the explanation provided by Deepak was that he had vacuumed the vehicle the day before (May 30, 2005).  This must have been when he was observed by a neighbour.

Janet


Summons and Complaint
Elizabeth Ann Twitty and Dave Edward Holloway
vs. Joran van der Sloot and Paulus van der Sloot.

February 16, 2006

40. In the early hours of Monday morning, Deepak methodically and uncharacteristically cleans his silver Nissan, claiming after the fact, “it had ants in it”.

[KarmaRoundUp]

Apparently ... the ALE had check Deepak's vehicle prior to his May 31, 2005 statement which was taken at the police station at Bubali and ... did not notice blood or chocolate all over the car.  The interrogator implied that Deepak's vehicle was very clean.

Janet


Deepak Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 10, 2005

To your question whether I can remember the day when I was summoned to the police station at Bubali, I can say the following. Yes I remember that day.

You are telling to me that my car looked very clean on that day. About that I can state the following, I had vacuumed my car the previous day.

Thanks Janet
So Deepak is stating he cleaned the car the 30th of may correct?Which would have been monday?

Remember there was a witness that saw them washing the car at 2:30 or 3am on the 30th.

Thanks Klaas
So either Deepak cleaned his car early morning hours on the 30th AND again later on the 30th or he actually told the truth one time and admitted he cleaned his car at 2:30-3:00am on the 30th.
But didn't the gardener witness state that he saw Deepak's car by the tennis club between 2:30-3:00am on the 30th?

[klaasend]

Janet - I don't know about the blood, very curious isn't it?  I'm wondering if the blood was in a different vehicle?  Could it have been in one of the Sloot vehicles?

[klaasend]

Karma - yes, there is a question of time between the gardener and when the witness say the Kalpoes cleaning their car.  The times for everything that morning are in question, IMO.  So are the vehicles. 

[KarmaRoundUp]

I did not find much on and Jupiter Research  owner / business connections
but did find this on their site From http://tinyurl.com/2phhsd

This statement is from the day the J2K were  arrested/detained.
Too me... still dammed early to be worried about tourism...

Will missing teen hurt Aruba’s tourism?

<< Fashion, luxury, and $4000 a night | Main | New airline tax proposed to fight global poverty >>

Diane Clarkson | June 09, 2005, 03:11 PM

As an analyst, I’m often asked to comment on how international tragedies may affect inbound tourism in the countries they occur. This demands stepping outside my emotional reaction and looking at the situation in hard practical terms. Such is case now, with the disappearance of Alabama teen Natalee Holloway in Aruba and the question of whether is will spur a tourism crisis for the island.

Certainly the Aruba government and tourism officials are conscious of the impact this may have on their country’s reputation and tourism, and they have set a PR strategy in place.
The Aruba tourism board quickly posted a notice on their website about Miss. Holloway’s disappearance and contributed to the award money offered by the missing girl’s family. The Aruba government also contributed to award money, has co-operated with US and Dutch officials in the search, and closed its offices early on Monday to allow employees to participate in the search.

At this point, Travel Weekly reports that wholesalers have reported no cancellations or postponements in travel to Aruba.

I haven't seen any statements to suggest that Miss Holloway’s disappearance was politically motivated. It appears to be an isolated incident in a country with a low crime rate (one murder and six rapes were recorded last year). Given that, I believe this incident will not discourage Americans from travelling to Aruba.

And now, we wait with hope that Natalee Holloway will be reunited with her family.

Hi OldFart
That was really early to be worried about tourism but it seems they already had a PR strategy in place from the get go.I also notice Aruba likes to throw out HOW much they have put into this case....they started that bull caca really early too.Just like the BS about letting the government workers out of work early....around 6000.00 workers if I remember correctly....and how many showed up to trample over any evidences there may have been?About 500 to 700.

[GrannyToad]

GrannyToad - Would you like me to see if I can fix your avatar for you?

Yes o yes Mistress! If you would please.

[KarmaRoundUp]

Apparently ... the ALE had check Deepak's vehicle prior to his May 31, 2005 statement which was taken at the police station at Bubali and ... did not notice blood or chocolate all over the car.  The interrogator implied that Deepak's vehicle was very clean.

Janet


Deepak Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 10, 2005

To your question whether I can remember the day when I was summoned to the police station at Bubali, I can say the following. Yes I remember that day.

You are telling to me that my car looked very clean on that day. About that I can state the following, I had vacuumed my car the previous day.

Thanks Janet
So Deepak is stating he cleaned the car the 30th of may correct?Which would have been monday?

Remember there was a witness that saw them washing the car at 2:30 or 3am on the 30th.

Yes and Dave said there was three of them cleaning it.

Hmmm,3 of them?Wonder if one of those cleaners was Mama Kalpoe.

[klaasend]

GrannyToad - Would you like me to see if I can fix your avatar for you?

Yes o yes Mistress! If you would please.

Is that better? 

[KarmaRoundUp]

Apparently ... the ALE had check Deepak's vehicle prior to his May 31, 2005 statement which was taken at the police station at Bubali and ... did not notice blood or chocolate all over the car.  The interrogator implied that Deepak's vehicle was very clean.

Janet


Deepak Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 10, 2005

To your question whether I can remember the day when I was summoned to the police station at Bubali, I can say the following. Yes I remember that day.

You are telling to me that my car looked very clean on that day. About that I can state the following, I had vacuumed my car the previous day.

Thanks Janet
So Deepak is stating he cleaned the car the 30th of may correct?Which would have been monday?

Remember there was a witness that saw them washing the car at 2:30 or 3am on the 30th.

Klaas ... something does not make sense.  When was all the blood or chocolate observed in Deepak's vehicle?  On May 31, 2005 ... Deepak's interrogator implies that his vehicle is very clean ... the explanation provided by Deepak was that he had vacuumed the vehicle the day before (May 30, 2005).  This must have been when he was observed by a neighbour.

Janet


Summons and Complaint
Elizabeth Ann Twitty and Dave Edward Holloway
vs. Joran van der Sloot and Paulus van der Sloot.

February 16, 2006

40. In the early hours of Monday morning, Deepak methodically and uncharacteristically cleans his silver Nissan, claiming after the fact, “it had ants in it”.

Right,but I thought Deepak had Satish vacuum the car before they went out that sunday night?Also,I thought I read in one of Joran's PV's something about him getting sand in the car that night.

[fran]

Thanks to all for the warm welcome. Oh, and the AOL warrior, LOL. Good grief! My hubby loves to go over there once in awhile and cause trouble. I can't stand even reading there much less posting, LOL. I've seen too many cat-fights there.

About the blood in the car, first of all, there's a field test kit that I believe all LE carry that can determine if something is blood or not at first look. Then samples would be taken for DNA etc. IMO, that's probably why the FBI notified the H/Ts of a LOT of blood in the car, and I read from something you all gave me a link to last night, a large quantity of blood in the trunk. IIRC, the family was at the police station, not sure if they actually saw it, but they left headquarters very down.

ALE could not do any type of testing, IMO, as they have no lab, so to me, the 'dog blood' story came out TOO QUICK to be believed. I mean face it, if they had to send everything to Quantico and Holland for testing, how did they know the difference between dog and human blood so FAST? I don't believe they could.

FWIW, a little over 25% of the techs at the Dutch lab have a degree. I know someone who works at a forensic lab here in the U.S., believe me, they need a degree, experience, cross training, cross check, everything here. So just how good is this Dutch lab anyway? 

Remember VanStratton's words that Natalee was dead. He said "I've seen the evidence and you haven't." Ehh, would that be blood? It was very early into the investigation.

Oh, here it is, I decided not to post the link as I'm afraid I'll blow your margins,but it was from your chicago outfit photo bucket there's 12 or more pages of info from early in the case there. They talk about the 'blood' and 'GHB at C&C' and they even have a bunch of stuff about a guy named "Dave" or "David." I saw that name mentioned earlier today. Look around those pages and see just what old "Dave" or David" is up to. Interesting, imo. Connection, I dunno. Oh, and he's not in Florida, he's in another state, I think Detroit, Mi.

Gosh I'm gabby, but I've waited so long to get in I just can't help myself!
 
fran

[Easywriter]

Is there any talk about where Joran is?  He sure has been quiet.  Did Anita turn into his ankle braclet?

[Sam]

You really have my attention now Karma. An AOL warrior and surviver. There are some real terrorist on there. JMHO

LOL,Sam,it was brutal but not as brutal as skanks-R-us.I read some of the stuff they post and can't even eat for a few hours.Nasty,evil people.Most I got from the aol boards was/is a couple of stalkers but I know if they could post whatever they really,really wanted bashing the victim and families.....the boards would just go up in flames all by itself.

Karma, I hope you have an aol address set up that does not get or accept email. Helps as far as stalking goes. 

Once when SM was down I joined the original Refugees.  I only posted a few times. They were already bad but not as bad as RU. I must say though there are a few folks on there who really are family or Natalee supporters. They have more stanima or something than I do to keep fighting the battle. I gave up on AOL boards for that reason as well.

[Tamikosmom]

Janet - I don't know about the blood, very curious isn't it?  I'm wondering if the blood was in a different vehicle?  Could it have been in one of the Sloot vehicles?

I do not have a clue.

Jug was under the impression that blood was all over the vehicle but when the fabric samples were forensically tested in Holland and the States the results determined it was chocolate/cleaning fluid.

However ... on May 31, 2005 ... there was no obvious blood/chocolate in Deepak's vehicle.  Deepak's interrogator implied that his vehicle was very clean and ... Deepak agreed.  He stated he had vacuumed his vehicle the night before.

This would imply the the fabric sent away for forensic testing did not come from Deepak's vehicle.

Janet


Jug Twitty
NANCY GRACE
October 4, 2005

TWITTY:  Somebody -- you know, that`s the reason there`s no evidence. Had they gone to the -- and impounded that car that day -- the FBI told us there was blood all in the car. The prosecutor said the FBI said there was blood in the car. But for some reason or another, when they sent it off, they say now it`s all cleaning fluid.


Jug Twitty
On the Record 2/ Greta
September 28, 2005

TWITTY: Because I think I was asking questions that she didn’t know that I knew about, things that she wouldn’t tell me and I was confronting her with, you know, things like the blood in the car. If you’ll remember, way early on in the investigation, even the prime minister came and said, Yes, they found blood in the car. The FBI said they found blood in the car. She says they didn’t. She says they — I know for a fact that they cut parts out of the seat, cut parts out of the ceiling of Deepak’s car, and they sent them wherever to get tested. And she said no. Initially, the FBI said there was blood all over the car, but then they came back and said now it’s cleaning fluid.

[klaasend]

GrannyToad - I was wondering if you saw this avatar Crazybabyborg found for you?  I can put this one on you if you want?

[klaasend]

Is there any talk about where Joran is?  He sure has been quiet.  Did Anita turn into his ankle braclet?

EASY - no word at all about Joran.  You are right, way too quiet!

[KarmaRoundUp]

Thanks to all for the warm welcome. Oh, and the AOL warrior, LOL. Good grief! My hubby loves to go over there once in awhile and cause trouble. I can't stand even reading there much less posting, LOL. I've seen too many cat-fights there.

About the blood in the car, first of all, there's a field test kit that I believe all LE carry that can determine if something is blood or not at first look. Then samples would be taken for DNA etc. IMO, that's probably why the FBI notified the H/Ts of a LOT of blood in the car, and I read from something you all gave me a link to last night, a large quantity of blood in the trunk. IIRC, the family was at the police station, not sure if they actually saw it, but they left headquarters very down.

ALE could not do any type of testing, IMO, as they have no lab, so to me, the 'dog blood' story came out TOO QUICK to be believed. I mean face it, if they had to send everything to Quantico and Holland for testing, how did they know the difference between dog and human blood so FAST? I don't believe they could.

FWIW, a little over 25% of the techs at the Dutch lab have a degree. I know someone who works at a forensic lab here in the U.S., believe me, they need a degree, experience, cross training, cross check, everything here. So just how good is this Dutch lab anyway? 

Remember VanStratton's words that Natalee was dead. He said "I've seen the evidence and you haven't." Ehh, would that be blood? It was very early into the investigation.

Oh, here it is, I decided not to post the link as I'm afraid I'll blow your margins,but it was from your chicago outfit photo bucket there's 12 or more pages of info from early in the case there. They talk about the 'blood' and 'GHB at C&C' and they even have a bunch of stuff about a guy named "Dave" or "David." I saw that name mentioned earlier today. Look around those pages and see just what old "Dave" or David" is up to. Interesting, imo. Connection, I dunno. Oh, and he's not in Florida, he's in another state, I think Detroit, Mi.

Gosh I'm gabby, but I've waited so long to get in I just can't help myself!
 
fran

Your hubby posts on the aol message boards?I wonder if I know him
Could you try and post the link,I think it would be ok as long as it's not a anti victim site.Detroit,MI?
That's where I'm at.

[KarmaRoundUp]

You really have my attention now Karma. An AOL warrior and surviver. There are some real terrorist on there. JMHO

LOL,Sam,it was brutal but not as brutal as skanks-R-us.I read some of the stuff they post and can't even eat for a few hours.Nasty,evil people.Most I got from the aol boards was/is a couple of stalkers but I know if they could post whatever they really,really wanted bashing the victim and families.....the boards would just go up in flames all by itself.

Karma, I hope you have an aol address set up that does not get or accept email. Helps as far as stalking goes. 

Once when SM was down I joined the original Refugees.  I only posted a few times. They were already bad but not as bad as RU. I must say though there are a few folks on there who really are family or Natalee supporters. They have more stanima or something than I do to keep fighting the battle. I gave up on AOL boards for that reason as well.

Thanks for the heads up Sam.
I lost my whole 10-11 year aol account,then got free aol accounts,gmail etc.So I think I'm ok now but I lost all of my Natalee case info I had saved
Isn't refugees RU or what I like to call skanks-R-us?I could barely stand reading over there so didn't venture over there much at all.I'm not that brave and their evilness hurts my heart.