Lively Case Discussion #670 7/31 - 8/01/2007

[truthseeker2]

PLEASE NOTE:

In an attempt to please everyone  I've changed the name of this thread to LIVELY DISCUSSION (off topic allowed).  In this thead off topic is allowed.  Please do try to keep way off topic in the Monkey Lounge when at all possible.  TIA

I've created 2 new sticky threads:
CASE DISCUSSION THREAD ( no off topic allowed)
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1951.0

SHANGO/SIMIAN (who are they and what did they know?)
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.0

But where is the all sock monkey sticky thread? You know - the one where ONLY sock monkeys can be discussed all the time? 

AND the where would one find the   "i need to get laid"  thread????

Hi BT......nice work Klass w/ updates.

Sunny nice post---and truthseeker shadow et all...nice to see u are all still rockin arubas world...trying to get Natalee justice.

Hey FOM!  Glad you are here posting as well.  We all want justice for Natalee.

[San]

Sat Aug 06, 2005 10:56 pm
Nativelingo posted some interresting information about Joran early this morning:

1. Joran has/had emotional problems and is a patient of a local pediatric/juvenile psychiatrist (fact).
2. The incident where Joran killed his dog and blamed it on someone else is fact
3. That bullying friends and the dog issue are the least of Joran's problems (according to reliable sources)
4. His HOBBY is Criminal Law (fact)

 Have we seen any documents to back up the psych  visits?
What else did those reliable sources refer to?

Joran did admit in his book he was seeing a Psychiatrist.

He goes on American TV and lies right in Greta's face and said he wasn't seeing a psychiatrist.

[JustMeT]

As we know ALE did not do an "investigation" all they did was run around trying to cover people's arses.  I learned a long time ago that PEOPLE CREATE CONFUSION FOR A REASON!!!!

Exactly.


Thanks for opening the door for me Klaas. Its much appreciated!

[bleachedblack]

BB - try uploading this and see if it fixes your avatar so it's now askew:



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Do I look better? Thank-you Klaas, I did notice my hair was a little frizzy. I thought it was the humidity.

[KarmaRoundUp]

Good Morning Monks!  Welcome Auntiem

Wile going through old saved item....I found this one..

On August 1, 2005 JUG TWITTY stated to that on 6-1 several of JUG TWITTY’s friends took some of the “KIDNAPPED” posters to Prime Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT’s “International School.” The friends had written on the NATALEE “missing” posters something like “ask Joran van der Sloot about Natalee’s whereabouts.” While the friends were still at the school, the school’s headmaster, ROBERT WERNER, came out and asked them what they were doing, and if JUG TWITTY‘s friends were with the F.B.I. The friends told WERNER, who invited the friends into his school office. WERNER told JUG TWITTY’s friends that the day before (5-31), the headmaster had spoken directly to Prime Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT and Current Suspect PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT in the headmaster’s office and that the headmaster told Prime Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT, “Joran, you need to come clean on what happened.” JUG TWITTY stated that WERNER told his friends that Prime Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT claimed to WERNER on 5-31 that SLOOT and NATALEE engaged in some form of sex, and, he also said that NATALEE may have hit her head while swimming that night. The headmaster also told the friends that Prime Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT and Current Suspect PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT claimed WERNER that the reason that Current Suspect DEEPAK KALPOE’s car could not be seen in the “Holiday Inn” security camera video tapes around 2:00 AM is that “there was a break in the tape.” ((Obviously, the "Holiday Inn dropoff alibi-lies were yet another lie conspiratorially concocted by the Suspects SLOOT’s and KALPOE’s before the early morning of 5-31 because the Suspects never viewed the “Holiday Inn” security cameras recorded video)) JUG TWITTY also said that the ARUBAN Police have interviewed the headmaster.
Source:
http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=407&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=220

I have always wondered HOW they knew  that there was a break in the tape?? Who at HI told them there was a break in the tape and why?

Now that is interesting.
Werner is no longer working on Aruba is he?Or did he get a nifty new promotion for HIS lies told in this case?
Welcome all the new Monkeys.

[klaasend]

BB - try uploading this and see if it fixes your avatar so it's now askew:



http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub2/blchblkcopy.gif

Do I look better? Thank-you Klaas, I did notice my hair was a little frizzy. I thought it was the humidity.

No - if you've uploaded it you don't look better yet.  I may have to upload from my pc.

[nimrod]

These are things that I have kept that had so many questions....


6:40 AM = Prime Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT was driven to school by his father, Current Suspect PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT, where the school‘s headmaster, ROBERT WERNER, sees the 2 SLOOT‘s. Reportedly the headmaster looks at Prime Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT and says aloud words to the effect, “You look terrible.” Several witnesses have claims Prime Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT had a noticeable bruise apparent on his facial cheek on 5-30. (another report claims that Prime Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT, supposedly, rode on his school bus--according to JULIA RENFRO (the transplanted AMERICAN who has lived in ARUBA for 16+ years and has several business interests there), who said she “confirmed” that herself). from world journier timeline.

I think that joran said his father dropped him off at 6:45 am.

ISA is basically on the OTHER end of the island, near KIA and san nicholas..... How did paulus make it back to be logging into his hotmail at 7:02 on the 30th?
http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=407&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=320 

I'd love to know how the LE explains these statement
 
 

I haven't heard ALE explain ANYTHING to this very day.

[Mere]

Good afternoon friends....

This looks like my thread....will be working (have new carpet shampoo machine)....
and taking breaks here. 
New forum seems to be easier to read....I'm liking it....Thanks.

[bleachedblack]

Uploaded

[JustMeT]

Janet posted a very good question last night that no one seemed to notice.  I did respond and would like further comments.

The police note the clean condition of Deepak's car in their interrogation of him on May 31.  So when was the blood seen in the car as reported by Oduber, the FBI and others?  Did blood get in his car AFTER the questioning on the 31st?  Was its presence made known only by a Luminol test or what?  We never heard of one being done and were given the impression that it was a considerable amount of clearly visible to the naked eye blood in the car.

So is Deepak's car magic or what?  No blood on the 31st when questioned then just about everybody on the island later claims to have seen the blood in his car.

Then again, we have this same magic car at the Sloot compound and even verified by the license plate number by the kid with CCroes.  This is just minutes before Beth and the Alabama delegation arrive at the Sloot compound.  But we have witnesses and even their own claims to have been at the casino at this same time.  Can a car be in two places at once?

There is something very suspicious about Deepak's car for sure.

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Its just my theory but I think a lot was said to confuse. I for do not believe there was blood in the Kalpoe car. But I do believe it was said in effort to set up the Kalpoes to take the fall for this. At some point it must have been decided not to do so.

I am totally undecided as to what I think happened, besides Joran killing her and his father helping him cover it up. Im sure there is a lot more to it I just cannot decide what.

[klaasend]

Uploaded

It was still "funny" so I uploaded from my PC.  It's the size of the file that is the problem.

[San]

Janet posted a very good question last night that no one seemed to notice.  I did respond and would like further comments.

The police note the clean condition of Deepak's car in their interrogation of him on May 31.  So when was the blood seen in the car as reported by Oduber, the FBI and others?  Did blood get in his car AFTER the questioning on the 31st?  Was its presence made known only by a Luminol test or what?  We never heard of one being done and were given the impression that it was a considerable amount of clearly visible to the naked eye blood in the car.

So is Deepak's car magic or what?  No blood on the 31st when questioned then just about everybody on the island later claims to have seen the blood in his car.

Then again, we have this same magic car at the Sloot compound and even verified by the license plate number by the kid with CCroes.  This is just minutes before Beth and the Alabama delegation arrive at the Sloot compound.  But we have witnesses and even their own claims to have been at the casino at this same time.  Can a car be in two places at once?

There is something very suspicious about Deepak's car for sure.

.

I believe there blood was in his car.  The police knew this.  These statements were professionally altered.  They have contradicted every negative statement that was made in Aruba and in all the PV's.  They even made Steve Cohen look like a fool when he made the statement that two of the boys had sex with Natalee.

Aruba went back and tried to rewrite history by editing these documents by the professionals they hired.

This is why we will never see the videos that go alone with the documents.

[JuJu]

Hi Mere...welcome Just Me

[bleachedblack]

Uploaded

It was still "funny" so I uploaded from my PC.  It's the size of the file that is the problem.

TX much clearer

[klaasend]

Posted at RU this morning:

one love Posted:
Wed Aug 01, 2007 11:03 am   
 
Early info from Natalee's neighbor from phish message board

I don't post here often, but I have been extremely interested in this case from the get-go. I used to lurk here quite frequently, but felt I didn't have any new information to offer, so I didn't post much.
I post regularly on a message board for my favorite band, Phish. I remember some discussions in the first week or two about Natalee, and one poster over there stated he was her neighbor. I'm sure a lot of the info he told us on that board was a lot of heresay, but I recently went back and looked at what he said Mt.Brook was talking about that first week. I thought some others might find it interesting, but I warn you all to take it with a grain of salt....

6/6/05

Her family lives 4 doors down from me in birmingham. It was her senior trip, not in any way was she with a prayer group. She as well as several others were drugged with ruffies, the guys said they were going to a party and she went with them.

A handful of the girls with her claim to have gone out with natalee and they all blacked out, claiming they were drugged. My brother is friends with all of them, and they told him. This is a fact, but not one you will see on cnn.
Apparently they had met the guys a couple of nights before and had been partying with them all week. So they were not complete strangers. Why none of her friends went with her is the big question in mountain brook.

No, there weren't chaperones at the bar.

http://www.phantasytour.com/phish/boards_thread.cgi?threadID=726321&page=5


6/8/05
I am from mountain brook. Natalee and her family live 4 doors down from me. It is a sad situation in this town right now. I firmly believe that she is not on that island or is in the ocean. The media is a circus right now, cnn, foxnews, msnbc are all camped on my street.

My little bro is friends with her. Several of her friends say that the last time they saw her dancing at the club that she looked way out of sorts. A handful of the girls also claim they were drugged and blackedout that night and can't remember a thing. For what its worth, the general consesus in mountain brook believe she was drugged.

the three guys that she supposedly left with, had been partying with them all week, so they were not total strangers. I'm not condoning her leaving with a bar with three people on an island, but put yourself in her shoes, everyone is partying, getting wasted, the bar is about to close and people invite you to go party late night, 90 percent of this board would go party. And the other 10 would have seriously thought about it. Hindsight is easy to see in this case, but it could have been any of us.

http://www.phantasytour.com/phish/boards_thread.cgi?threadID=728177

I apologize ahead of time if I blow the margins, I'm not too sure how to fix that. I find it interesting that this person mentions on both days that several of the MB girls were "drugged" and "blacked out"

I included links to the original threads on phantasy tour (that is the phish message board) and I must warn you that people can be pretty nasty over there. the poster that says he is natalee's neighbor is Dr.Jellyfinger 

[JustMeT]

Hi Mere...welcome Just Me

Thanks so much JuJu.

[San]

Janet posted a very good question last night that no one seemed to notice.  I did respond and would like further comments.

The police note the clean condition of Deepak's car in their interrogation of him on May 31.  So when was the blood seen in the car as reported by Oduber, the FBI and others?  Did blood get in his car AFTER the questioning on the 31st?  Was its presence made known only by a Luminol test or what?  We never heard of one being done and were given the impression that it was a considerable amount of clearly visible to the naked eye blood in the car.

So is Deepak's car magic or what?  No blood on the 31st when questioned then just about everybody on the island later claims to have seen the blood in his car.

Then again, we have this same magic car at the Sloot compound and even verified by the license plate number by the kid with CCroes.  This is just minutes before Beth and the Alabama delegation arrive at the Sloot compound.  But we have witnesses and even their own claims to have been at the casino at this same time.  Can a car be in two places at once?

There is something very suspicious about Deepak's car for sure.

.

Its just my theory but I think a lot was said to confuse. I for do not believe there was blood in the Kalpoe car. But I do believe it was said in effort to set up the Kalpoes to take the fall for this. At some point it must have been decided not to do so.

I am totally undecided as to what I think happened, besides Joran killing her and his father helping him cover it up. Im sure there is a lot more to it I just cannot decide what.

It was decided not to do so because Deepak Kalpoe is the one of confessed.  He confessed in front of the FBI and he knew they couldn't take it back because now there were witnesses to his confession.  I think that would be smart of Deepak to do this.  Deepak saved himself and his brother that day.  JMO.

Welcome JustMeT.

[San]

These are things that I have kept that had so many questions....


6:40 AM = Prime Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT was driven to school by his father, Current Suspect PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT, where the school‘s headmaster, ROBERT WERNER, sees the 2 SLOOT‘s. Reportedly the headmaster looks at Prime Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT and says aloud words to the effect, “You look terrible.” Several witnesses have claims Prime Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT had a noticeable bruise apparent on his facial cheek on 5-30. (another report claims that Prime Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT, supposedly, rode on his school bus--according to JULIA RENFRO (the transplanted AMERICAN who has lived in ARUBA for 16+ years and has several business interests there), who said she “confirmed” that herself). from world journier timeline.

I think that joran said his father dropped him off at 6:45 am.

ISA is basically on the OTHER end of the island, near KIA and san nicholas..... How did paulus make it back to be logging into his hotmail at 7:02 on the 30th?
http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=407&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=320 

I'd love to know how the LE explains these statement
 
 

I haven't heard ALE explain ANYTHING to this very day.

They will never explain it.

Welcome nimrod.

[shadow]

Klass: Thanks for posting that. Very interesting . . .

[JustMeT]

Thanks San. Agreed 100%. Too bad for him and his brother they didnt tell the truth day one. I just dont get why they agreed to cover for the Sloots.