Lively Case Discussion #670 7/31 - 8/01/2007

[SunnyinTX]

Janet posted a very good question last night that no one seemed to notice.  I did respond and would like further comments. Sorry Anna I wasn't on SM last night
The police note the clean condition of Deepak's car in their interrogation of him on May 31.  So when was the blood seen in the car as reported by Oduber, the FBI and others?  Did blood get in his car AFTER the questioning on the 31st?  Was its presence made known only by a Luminol test or what?  We never heard of one being done and were given the impression that it was a considerable amount of clearly visible to the naked eye blood in the car.

So is Deepak's car magic or what?  No blood on the 31st when questioned then just about everybody on the island later claims to have seen the blood in his car. there's an answer....but I just don't know what it is...I would guess...that luminol discovered blood ........

Then again, we have this same magic car at the Sloot compound and even verified by the license plate number by the kid with CCroes.  This is just minutes before Beth and the Alabama delegation arrive at the Sloot compound.  But we have witnesses and even their own claims to have been at the casino at this same time.  Can a car be in two places at once?

There is something very suspicious about Deepak's car for sure..

there sure is......what 2 similar cars?  didn't a relative of his own a car lot???

[SunnyinTX]

Sat Aug 06, 2005 10:56 pm
Nativelingo posted some interresting information about Joran early this morning:

1. Joran has/had emotional problems and is a patient of a local pediatric/juvenile psychiatrist (fact).
2. The incident where Joran killed his dog and blamed it on someone else is fact
3. That bullying friends and the dog issue are the least of Joran's problems (according to reliable sources)
4. His HOBBY is Criminal Law (fact)

 Have we seen any documents to back up the psych  visits?
What else did those reliable sources refer to?

Joran did admit in his book he was seeing a Psychiatrist.

He goes on American TV and lies right in Greta's face and said he wasn't seeing a psychiatrist.

I wonder if anyone sent Greta a copy of that translation?  Let her know what a fool he made of her

[SunnyinTX]

These are things that I have kept that had so many questions....


6:40 AM = Prime Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT was driven to school by his father, Current Suspect PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT, where the school‘s headmaster, ROBERT WERNER, sees the 2 SLOOT‘s. Reportedly the headmaster looks at Prime Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT and says aloud words to the effect, “You look terrible.” Several witnesses have claims Prime Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT had a noticeable bruise apparent on his facial cheek on 5-30. (another report claims that Prime Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT, supposedly, rode on his school bus--according to JULIA RENFRO (the transplanted AMERICAN who has lived in ARUBA for 16+ years and has several business interests there), who said she “confirmed” that herself). from world journier timeline.

I think that joran said his father dropped him off at 6:45 am.

ISA is basically on the OTHER end of the island, near KIA and san nicholas..... How did paulus make it back to be logging into his hotmail at 7:02 on the 30th?
http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=407&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=320 

I'd love to know how the LE explains these statement

I haven't heard ALE explain ANYTHING to this very day.

Hi nimrod...welcome.....well that's true....

[shadow]

Does anyone remeber FEB's statements? I'm going to try and find them . . .

[nonesuche]

Hi everyone-

Only have one second to post before calls through the afternoon to take, but Rob are you sure FEB was "bizarre"? maybe the dark side comments have stuck in your brain like an ear worm? 

I do think there may have been some inconsistencies which were minor, the dark side leaped on these kids not having been in the media spotlight before and made entire mountain ranges out of every molehill too. FEB actually is a good student at UA and I find it oh so telling that despite the dark side slams on them to extreme, that none I know of have flunked out or gone to rehab as the dark side would have us all believe.

Where is OF's big old bag of salt 

Back to work, waving at all of you !!

[Angiex911dsptchr]

ROB?

Are you talking about we saw here there and I will leave it at that statement??

[JustMeT]

Thanks San. Agreed 100%. Too bad for him and his brother they didnt tell the truth day one. I just dont get why they agreed to cover for the Sloots.

IMO, they covered each other because all four of them had a hand in Natalee's demise.

Welcome Nimrod!  Yes I agree, they all had a hand.  Some maybe to a lesser degree than others but still all involved.

Im inclined to believe this to be true.

 

[Angiex911dsptchr]

there, not thee. When frustrated I tend to have typos.

 Heck.. I must be fristrated all the time then.. LOL   

[JuJu]

I have my doubts about the coverup being done because Paul was a judge...do any of you think he may be a player in the drug trade and money laundering.....and that the "Big Boys" protected him to protect themselves.....

[Frijole]

Hi all - am sneaking a peek at lunch... just about had a HEART ATTACK... I logged on and saw Wonderwoman's quotes and I thought she had been let back in and  was dying!  Then I realised I was in the 2005 archives.

Whew... what a relief.... just sharing 

[SunnyinTX]

Janet posted a very good question last night that no one seemed to notice.  I did respond and would like further comments.

The police note the clean condition of Deepak's car in their interrogation of him on May 31.  So when was the blood seen in the car as reported by Oduber, the FBI and others?  Did blood get in his car AFTER the questioning on the 31st?  Was its presence made known only by a Luminol test or what?  We never heard of one being done and were given the impression that it was a considerable amount of clearly visible to the naked eye blood in the car.

So is Deepak's car magic or what?  No blood on the 31st when questioned then just about everybody on the island later claims to have seen the blood in his car.

Then again, we have this same magic car at the Sloot compound and even verified by the license plate number by the kid with CCroes.  This is just minutes before Beth and the Alabama delegation arrive at the Sloot compound.  But we have witnesses and even their own claims to have been at the casino at this same time.  Can a car be in two places at once?

There is something very suspicious about Deepak's car for sure.

.

Its just my theory but I think a lot was said to confuse. I for do not believe there was blood in the Kalpoe car. But I do believe it was said in effort to set up the Kalpoes to take the fall for this. At some point it must have been decided not to do so.

I am totally undecided as to what I think happened, besides Joran killing her and his father helping him cover it up. Im sure there is a lot more to it I just cannot decide what.

Hi justmeT...so if this is true...why would the FBI tell Beth and  Jug there was a lot of blood in the car....but we don't know what car....and based on the amount they don't think Natalee could be alive....do you think they would just repeat something told to them without verifying it??

[Angiex911dsptchr]

Hi everyone-

Only have one second to post before calls through the afternoon to take, but Rob are you sure FEB was "bizarre"? maybe the dark side comments have stuck in your brain like an ear worm? 

I do think there may have been some inconsistencies which were minor, the dark side leaped on these kids not having been in the media spotlight before and made entire mountain ranges out of every molehill too. FEB actually is a good student at UA and I find it oh so telling that despite the dark side slams on them to extreme, that none I know of have flunked out or gone to rehab as the dark side would have us all believe.

Where is OF's big old bag of salt 

Back to work, waving at all of you !!

 Waving back  .. trying to get things done here.. slowly.. but its all coming together..  <in the house I mean.. lol>

[KarmaRoundUp]

author=truthseeker2 link=topic=1944.msg259637#msg259637
Now this is very interesting...

If true, how is it that some of the others were drugged but made it back to the hotel? 

What is everyone else thinking here?

Geraldo:

Let me ask you specifically, about the date rape drug. Is it not a fact that another of the group from the high school alleges that her lips were tingling and as a result of being stoned later from a date rape dosing, she engaged in conduct she would not have ordinarily

Dave:

Yeah, we heard some information like that from the police files. In fact when I met with the police detective on my first day on the island, he indicated that the date rape drug was prevalent on the island and to watch....

Dave later corrects this to say:

Geraldo:

Dave you were saying that there was another of the high school group according to the police reports who does suggest or allege that she was dosed during that evening.

Dave:

No, I think that was an individual that was on the island, not one of the girls, one of the high school girls.

Dave:

This was reported to me second hand but I understand in one of those reports this girl drinks a drink and then all of a sudden her lips started tingling and what that means I'm really not sure.

We do know this, there was a reporter that went in to this bar where there was an allegation that the bartender would mix up the drink for the locals for $25. This reporter spent about 4 hours in that club and noticed that when a male came up and ordered two drinks a bottle would be pulled from a side cabinet, away from the regular liquor and this bottle was unmarked and clear and was poured in one of the drinks adn then he noticed approximately 20 minutes later, that the girl and the individual were no longer to be found.

Yeah,I think this date rape drugging has been going on for a long time on Aruba.With the tourist females and the island females,all apparently right under ALE nose and it seems almost like they approve of it happening,especially that slime ball Dennis Jacobs.

[shadow]

there, not thee. When frustrated I tend to have typos.

 Heck.. I must be fristrated all the time then.. LOL   

 

[KarmaRoundUp]

any chance FEB is one of the others drugged?

that chick made some bizarre statements.

Dave said it wasn't one of the females on the trip that was drugged.What bizarre statements did FEB make?

[nimrod]

Thanks San. Agreed 100%. Too bad for him and his brother they didnt tell the truth day one. I just dont get why they agreed to cover for the Sloots.

IMO, they covered each other because all four of them had a hand in Natalee's demise.

Welcome Nimrod!  Yes I agree, they all had a hand.  Some maybe to a lesser degree than others but still all involved.

Thanks for the welcome Klaas (and San also). Glad to finally be here. Do you think that DNA was the glue that initially kept them together?

[shadow]

I only see Whatley's PV . . . am I looking in the wrong place or are they not also archived? TIA!

[SunnyinTX]

It was decided not to do so because Deepak Kalpoe is the one of confessed.  He confessed in front of the FBI and he knew they couldn't take it back because now there were witnesses to his confession.  I think that would be smart of Deepak to do this.  Deepak saved himself and his brother that day.  JMO.

Welcome JustMeT.

San....I always thought it was satish that confessed....but what you are saying makes a lot of sense

[Angiex911dsptchr]

there, not thee. When frustrated I tend to have typos.

 Heck.. I must be fristrated all the time then.. LOL   

 

  see? Frustrated I mean..

[SunnyinTX]

Posted at RU this morning:


one love Posted:
Wed Aug 01, 2007 11:03 am   
 
Early info from Natalee's neighbor from phish message board

I don't post here often, but I have been extremely interested in this case from the get-go. I used to lurk here quite frequently, but felt I didn't have any new information to offer, so I didn't post much.
I post regularly on a message board for my favorite band, Phish. I remember some discussions in the first week or two about Natalee, and one poster over there stated he was her neighbor. I'm sure a lot of the info he told us on that board was a lot of heresay, but I recently went back and looked at what he said Mt.Brook was talking about that first week. I thought some others might find it interesting, but I warn you all to take it with a grain of salt....

6/6/05

Her family lives 4 doors down from me in birmingham. It was her senior trip, not in any way was she with a prayer group. She as well as several others were drugged with ruffies, the guys said they were going to a party and she went with them.

A handful of the girls with her claim to have gone out with natalee and they all blacked out, claiming they were drugged. My brother is friends with all of them, and they told him. This is a fact, but not one you will see on cnn.
Apparently they had met the guys a couple of nights before and had been partying with them all week. So they were not complete strangers. Why none of her friends went with her is the big question in mountain brook.

No, there weren't chaperones at the bar.

http://www.phantasytour.com/phish/boards_thread.cgi?threadID=726321&page=5


6/8/05
I am from mountain brook. Natalee and her family live 4 doors down from me. It is a sad situation in this town right now. I firmly believe that she is not on that island or is in the ocean. The media is a circus right now, cnn, foxnews, msnbc are all camped on my street.

My little bro is friends with her. Several of her friends say that the last time they saw her dancing at the club that she looked way out of sorts. A handful of the girls also claim they were drugged and blackedout that night and can't remember a thing. For what its worth, the general consesus in mountain brook believe she was drugged.

the three guys that she supposedly left with, had been partying with them all week, so they were not total strangers. I'm not condoning her leaving with a bar with three people on an island, but put yourself in her shoes, everyone is partying, getting wasted, the bar is about to close and people invite you to go party late night, 90 percent of this board would go party. And the other 10 would have seriously thought about it. Hindsight is easy to see in this case, but it could have been any of us.

http://www.phantasytour.com/phish/boards_thread.cgi?threadID=728177

I apologize ahead of time if I blow the margins, I'm not too sure how to fix that. I find it interesting that this person mentions on both days that several of the MB girls were "drugged" and "blacked out"

I included links to the original threads on phantasy tour (that is the phish message board) and I must warn you that people can be pretty nasty over there. the poster that says he is natalee's neighbor is Dr.Jellyfinger 

If any of this were true...why would any of the AL kids keep it quiet??  uuummmmm   if Natalee  or any of the kids had been hanging with the j2k I do't beleive we would not have confirmation of it long, long ago...I don't beleive it