Lively Case Discussion #670 7/31 - 8/01/2007

[Rob]

I think it is very strange that in the witness statement of Osman Farouk Osman, owner of Automotive Enterprises given August 6th, 2005 did not even mention the word blood.

That is because Edwin Comemencia planted the blood after the car was confiscated.

Hi Rob. You mean in the Kalpoe car?

Hi Just MeT
Welcome to the cage.

Yes the Kalpoe car. No way are they driving around for 10 days with blood in their car. It was after Comemencia took possession that the blood appears.

[shadow]

Gotta go . . . hope to see you Monkeys' later on.

[KarmaRoundUp]

Thanks San. Agreed 100%. Too bad for him and his brother they didnt tell the truth day one. I just dont get why they agreed to cover for the Sloots.

Welcome JustMe
I think that Deepak is much more involved in this than his brother but either way,Deepak is/was trying to protect his brother.I wonder why they had to leave their home country.
I think the 2K's participated in the rape of Natalee and for that reason(and seeing how Joran is in good with the so called justice system in Aruba:Paulus)Deepak really had no choice to lie in the beginning.Then a few days later when it seemed Joran was trying to throw both Kalpoe's under the bus and blame them both for Natalee's murder(while making himself look innocent).....that's when the chit hit the fan and could be why their lying stories STILL do not match up.Deepak knows it's much too late to tell the truth now,I think he knows he is going down for the crimes against Natalee no matter how this turns out.

Hi Karma. I thought they left their country to be with their mother?

There was some talk early on that one of the Kalpoe's had to leave their home country.I got the impression that both Kalpoe brothers did not come to aruba at the same time but have nothing to prove that.Also,when news of Natalee's disappearence first broke,Mama Kalpoe was away from aruba.I remember Greta interviewed her when she got back.Does anyone know where Nadira Kalpoe was?

[San]

It was decided not to do so because Deepak Kalpoe is the one of confessed.  He confessed in front of the FBI and he knew they couldn't take it back because now there were witnesses to his confession.  I think that would be smart of Deepak to do this.  Deepak saved himself and his brother that day.  JMO.

Welcome JustMeT.

San....I always thought it was satish that confessed....but what you are saying makes a lot of sense

Getting back to this post for a second.  Sunny they are leading us to believe that it was Joran who confessed.  After witnessing Joran's actions first hand in all the interviews do you really think he would confess.  Joran loves himself too much to do so.  Joran would never confess because it would bring his father down.  Joran never had one ounce of sympathy for what he did.

[SunFreak2]

Hammer:  I have always thought there was more to the Bloody Mattress than was told.  IIRC, ALE just assumed it was a dogs blood because they found it close by..WOW - they are amazing aren't they?  I remember the mattress being dismissed quite quickly. 

Perhaps it was dogs blood but there is always the possibility it was covering human blood too.  I doubt anything further was done with it after ALE declared it dogs blood.

Infuriating - Isn't it.

I agree. I always thought the mattress had human blood on it maybe even Natalee's. I think it was disposed of in that area because the security guards lived near there and had just been detained. I'm certain it was never turned in as evidence because the ALE discounted from the beginning that it had anything to do with the case by saying it was covered in dogs blood. JMO

And just as the blood testing info posted by Hammer suggests, they didn't have the technology nor the means to determine what type of blood it was on-site. The most annoying thing about all this to me is that there was no one to question their methods so they are just accepted as fact? Please!

Please don't forget  that the FBI was there and watching their moves.  Plus, we don't know everything.  IN fact,, I believe most of what we know may or may not be true.  There were a lot of people questioned, albeit poorly questioned,  if we go by the other P.V.'s we've read.  It's just so hard to speculate anymore based on the little direct info we do know.

[Anna]

I think it is very strange that in the witness statement of Osman Farouk Osman, owner of Automotive Enterprises given August 6th, 2005 did not even mention the word blood.

That is because Edwin Comemencia planted the blood after the car was confiscated.

Hi Rob. You mean in the Kalpoe car?

Hi Just MeT
Welcome to the cage.

Yes the Kalpoe car. No way are they driving around for 10 days with blood in their car. It was after Comemencia took possession that the blood appears.

But did he also plant it at the rocks?  I think somebody did.

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[Angiex911dsptchr]

Welcome JustMe-

For whatever it's worth, an immediate family member of Natalee's confirmed the FBI did 'in the field' tests on the supposed blood in Deepak's car to confirm it was blood? It was a copious amount and the departure point utilized for volume was the blood likely surpassed the 4 pint mark which the FBI considers the benchmark of certain death due to blood loss?

I would ask that to be confirmed once again but I am not in touch with that individual at this time, but I will ask others who might be to see if this still holds true?

thanks None...that's very similar to what my understanding was.....

WELCOME ALL NEWBIES!

Any ideas on what happened to cause her to have that amount of blood loss?

I believe that BT stated that the blood was in DK's car.....

Juju- There have always been alot of statements about Natalee "hitting her head"  I believe it was a head injury... The hit her head story was made up at first - just in case she was found - remember Deepak saying "If they see that shit"..

Makes me sick to think of it

 I agree Kimmy.. and nothing bleeds worse then a head injury. They tryed to cover if her body was found by spewing she fell and hit her head on a rock.. she fell swimming  etc..

[JustMeT]

any chance FEB is one of the others drugged?

that chick made some bizarre statements.

I can't remember back that far. What statement did she make that were bizarre?

Me either and am curious.
Rob: Can you elaborate on what you thought was bizarre in her statements?

Shadow, she just seem to say she saw Natalee somewhere...and it fuels people that think there is another side to this phrase - 'I saw her back at the Hotel, I'm just going to leave it at that....'

WTF???

Thanks Rob. That is weird.

I recall this and I agree that being drugged brings a little sense to it.
I am thinking although Natalee is one too many, there could have been more with the same fate.
Brings a whole new meaning to one happy island.

[JusticeforNatalee]

I think that Natalee was in serious condition or dead by 2:26AM.
That's when Joran called Deepak with an 8-minute call.

[Angiex911dsptchr]

Gotta go . . . hope to see you Monkeys' later on.

Bye Shadow..

[Anna]

The so-called confession by Joran was never supposed to have been that HE did anything but rather he confessed that Deepak killed her and we buried her sort of thing.

Yes, I can believe he would confess that Deepak did it.   

I used to confess in a similar manner that my sister did things but I outgrew doing that at about six years of age.  Joran may still have a ways to go in that regard.

[Kimmy53]

Hammer:  I have always thought there was more to the Bloody Mattress than was told.  IIRC, ALE just assumed it was a dogs blood because they found it close by..WOW - they are amazing aren't they?  I remember the mattress being dismissed quite quickly. 

Perhaps it was dogs blood but there is always the possibility it was covering human blood too.  I doubt anything further was done with it after ALE declared it dogs blood.

Infuriating - Isn't it.

I agree. I always thought the mattress had human blood on it maybe even Natalee's. I think it was disposed of in that area because the security guards lived near there and had just been detained. I'm certain it was never turned in as evidence because the ALE discounted from the beginning that it had anything to do with the case by saying it was covered in dogs blood. JMO

And just as the blood testing info posted by Hammer suggests, they didn't have the technology nor the means to determine what type of blood it was on-site. The most annoying thing about all this to me is that there was no one to question their methods so they are just accepted as fact? Please!

Please don't forget  that the FBI was there and watching their moves.  Plus, we don't know everything.  IN fact,, I believe most of what we know may or may not be true.  There were a lot of people questioned, albeit poorly questioned,  if we go by the other P.V.'s we've read.  It's just so hard to speculate anymore based on the little direct info we do know.

I would LOVE to see the tapes that go along with the PV's - wouldn't you?  I would bet money that there is prolly alot to be learned(If the tapes were indeed intact)...  Chances are the tapes have either been lost or broken - they'll never see the light of day

[San]

I think it is very strange that in the witness statement of Osman Farouk Osman, owner of Automotive Enterprises given August 6th, 2005 did not even mention the word blood.
If this is the  actual statement, and I guess this we will never know for certain, he is asked 3 questions only?

+++++++++

"On your question if it is normal that the man" Deepak KALPOE leaves his car at my garage, I answer you the following:

Because I had worked in the past on the car of Deepak, he approached me to keep z/n its car for him in my garage in the "Automotive Enterprises established" at Wayaca for him. I must note that I in the past the car of Deepak had twice left his car in my garage when I worked on it. With the car of Deepak I mean the grey four door private car of the make "Honda Civic".

On your question if Deepak had told me how he knew that the missing American little girl Natalee Ann HOLLOWAY on Monday, 30 May 2005, in the night time hours, had only her identification document (drivers license) and an amount of US $50, =, in her possession, I answer you the following:

At absolutely no moment did Deepak tell me how he knew that missing little girl only had her identity card and US $50, =, in her possession. You must ask it to Deepak.

On your question if the brothers of "Deepak Sharma KALPOE" and "Satish Sharma KALPOE" have a girlfriend and also if I have seen them ever with a girlfriend, I answer you the following:

I have never seen Deepak and Satish with a girlfriend. You must ask them if they have a girlfriend.

When was this statement given and to whom?Does anyone know when Deepak took his car to AE and why?

Here is the link to the statement:

OSMAN (Automotive Enterprises) 08/06/2005 Statement:

On Saturday, August 6, 2005, around 16:50, we interrogated the witness, OSMAN Farouk OSMAN, born on Curacao on 01 October 1974, of profession director (Automotive Enterprises) and living Sabana Blanco xxxxxxxxx Aruba.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=264.0

[JustMeT]

Thanks San. Agreed 100%. Too bad for him and his brother they didnt tell the truth day one. I just dont get why they agreed to cover for the Sloots.

Welcome JustMe
I think that Deepak is much more involved in this than his brother but either way,Deepak is/was trying to protect his brother.I wonder why they had to leave their home country.
I think the 2K's participated in the rape of Natalee and for that reason(and seeing how Joran is in good with the so called justice system in Aruba:Paulus)Deepak really had no choice to lie in the beginning.Then a few days later when it seemed Joran was trying to throw both Kalpoe's under the bus and blame them both for Natalee's murder(while making himself look innocent).....that's when the chit hit the fan and could be why their lying stories STILL do not match up.Deepak knows it's much too late to tell the truth now,I think he knows he is going down for the crimes against Natalee no matter how this turns out.

Hi Karma. I thought they left their country to be with their mother?

There was some talk early on that one of the Kalpoe's had to leave their home country.I got the impression that both Kalpoe brothers did not come to aruba at the same time but have nothing to prove that.Also,when news of Natalee's disappearence first broke,Mama Kalpoe was away from aruba.I remember Greta interviewed her when she got back.Does anyone know where Nadira Kalpoe was?

I believe one had been on the island 7 years and the other 3 years at the time, so yes you are correct. I didnt know she wasnt on the island when the news broke. I must have forgotten that as there is so much info out there.

[JuJu]

Hi Angie, how is your arm?

[Kimmy53]

any chance FEB is one of the others drugged?

that chick made some bizarre statements.

I can't remember back that far. What statement did she make that were bizarre?

Me either and am curious.
Rob: Can you elaborate on what you thought was bizarre in her statements?

Shadow, she just seem to say she saw Natalee somewhere...and it fuels people that think there is another side to this phrase - 'I saw her back at the Hotel, I'm just going to leave it at that....'

WTF???

Thanks Rob. That is weird.

I recall this and I agree that being drugged brings a little sense to it.
I am thinking although Natalee is one too many, there could have been more with the same fate.
Brings a whole new meaning to one happy island.

I agree Justme(Welcome by the way)

Also, I am of the opinion that the MB'ers were partying it up that night, and may not have a clear recollection of things.  Probably a guilt they will live with for the rest of their lives.

[Anna]

Rob,
The only problem I have with Papito planting the blood in Deepak's car is how did he make it go away when he returned the car to Deepak.  I certainly don't think ALE is morally above doing just this very thing but can't figure out how they could make it go away afterwards.

Also how could Deepak's Magic Car be at the casino with Joran and also at the Sloot compound as verified by CCroes and kid who wrote down the license plate number at the same time?

I am back to the two very similar cars theory.

.

[San]

I have my doubts about the coverup being done because Paul was a judge...do any of you think he may be a player in the drug trade and money laundering.....and that the "Big Boys" protected him to protect themselves.....

hi JuJu....I think there were several factors involved....pvds was responsible for contracts on the island...so i think he probably called in some IOU's...but i also think mamasloot has higher/political connections in holland than papasloot....and i think she called on those connections.....look at the people....van stratten.....wouldn't allow the house to be searched. Judge letting the sporter go after sentencing him to more days in KIA....but after a private talk with the sporter and parents he lets him go....KJ...gung ho...until she goes to holland and comes back.....someone very influential got the word out....JMO of course

That is interesting.What influences does Anita have in Holland?And if true or if her influences are powerful enough,what happens now?Would this mean the Dutch investigators sent in is just another part of the game being played out?

In my opinion yes.  They would be foolish not to solve this case but for some reason I think they aren't.

[Angiex911dsptchr]

Hi Angie, how is your arm?

 still hurts honey.. but am trying to move my fingers around.  iIcleaned my house LMAO   only took 2 days.. ha ha!
TY for asking and I hope all is well with you. 

[Tamikosmom]

I believe that the coverup took on a life of its own because Aruba failed to anticipated the power a determined mother whose voice would not be silenced ... whose voice commanded media attention in regards to the corrupt investigation which was denying her daugher justice in a attempt to protect a wannabe judge and his son.

By the time the realization set in the Beth Holloway Twitty was not about to be silenced ... it was too late to turn back the clock.  It was no longer just about those within the ALE protecting their own from implication ... it was all about those within the Dutch/Aruban administration who had knowledge or were involved in the coverup.  It was about the sons of the elite.  It was about exposure of Aruba's dirty little secrets in regards to gambling ... drugs ... money laundering ... pornography ... prostitution ...

Janet