Lively Case Discussion #670 7/31 - 8/01/2007

[klaasend]

Sorry, 4got the link
Hayley Carrero Sagona , Class of 1986
I have another one someplace that states someting about nursing school or something like that.

Okay...so I am wrong, sorry. I had been looking at another page of the discovery where it appeared it was her taking the sample.now I just don't know. She did graduate in 1986 from Huntington High though...so that would make her apx. 38 yrs. old, so "wtf" is right...lol.

Right - we really don't know and she doesn't appear to be part of the MB group. 

[Dayhiker]

It does not say whose urine was tested. Hayley Sagona is the nurse/tech who took/ran the sample.   She graduated from Huntington High School, Huntington, NY in 1986. I do not know where she went to college. She has nothing to do with the case other than medical wise.

Nut - are you certain about this?  Why would they take a statement from a nurse/tech who took/ran the sample?  Does not make sense to me.

Could it be possible Haley Sagona took samples from other girls on the trip to see if they had been drugged?
The description says "samples" plural.

[Easywriter]

Sorry, 4got the link
Hayley Carrero Sagona , Class of 1986
I have another one someplace that states someting about nursing school or something like that.

Okay...so I am wrong, sorry. I had been looking at another page of the discovery where it appeared it was her taking the sample.now I just don't know. She did graduate in 1986 from Huntington High though...so that would make her apx. 38 yrs. old, so "wtf" is right...lol.

Right - we really don't know and she doesn't appear to be part of the MB group. 

Someone should give her a call!

[oldfart]

[San]

San,
It could have gone just as you said or the opposite~Paulus sending Joran out to try to give the appearance of normalcy.  I do think Joran walked the route they had driven the night before looking for the cups or something they threw out the car window or went there to plant the shoes, some reason he did that walk.

We are not dealing with a person who can act normal.  If Joran was in fact with someone it would have been with someone of authority.  He would have never left him with Deepak alone.  Especially after what happened in his home.

There are several witnesses who state Joran was in fact at the casino earlier.  I am not sure how many people would be willing to lie for PVDS about something that would be on tape and could be verified.

Sociopaths mimic the behavior of others often quite well.  But I think you are correct that Paulus would be very nervous about allowing Joran out of his sight with Joran's big mouth.  I still think he was forced to risk it as in Joran being at the Racquet club, etc.  I also think many of his actions were based on his fear of Anita as much as anything.
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Anna, they are still lying about the casino tape and that being Paulus next to Natalee so why not lie about a video of Joran being at the casino the night after.

Paulus is placing himself with Joran by saying he dropped him off at the Racquet club.  I believe Paulus never went home and he stayed with Joran.  Someone saw Paulus with Joran and that's why he had to put himself there at the Racquet club.  I refused to believe a liar like Paulus that he went home afterwards.  All they would have to do is present a video from that evening of Joran being in he casino.  They won't because there is none.

This is just my opinion on how the Sloots think Anna.  I refuse to believe a bunch of liars like the Sloots.

[Easywriter]

O/T

Looks like another family was wiped out in their home near Atlanta.  What is this world coming to?????

Mother, 2 Daughters Found Dead in Georgia Home, 2 Boys Survive Attack

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,291727,00.html

[KarmaRoundUp]

It was decided not to do so because Deepak Kalpoe is the one of confessed.  He confessed in front of the FBI and he knew they couldn't take it back because now there were witnesses to his confession.  I think that would be smart of Deepak to do this.  Deepak saved himself and his brother that day.  JMO.

Welcome JustMeT.

San....I always thought it was satish that confessed....but what you are saying makes a lot of sense

Getting back to this post for a second.  Sunny they are leading us to believe that it was Joran who confessed.  After witnessing Joran's actions first hand in all the interviews do you really think he would confess.  Joran loves himself too much to do so.  Joran would never confess because it would bring his father down.  Joran never had one ounce of sympathy for what he did.

Aahh,I also believed it was Joran who confessed.I saw him coming from the courthouse or intown jail on about the 11th or 12th of june 05,looked like he was crying,then they supposedly said someone DID confess and was leading them to Natalee's body...then they retracted that the next day.I also believed that Satish was/is the weakest link,Deepak and Joran was so sure Satish would mess up their first alibi lie.
I also believed it was Joran who confessed because I thought with him being locked up the longest,they MUST have more evidences on him than they did/do the Kalpoes....now I'm beginning to believe they kept Joran locked up the longest for his own protection.
I saw a video of Joran leaving the court house the day he a judge ruled that Joran had to stay put longer and....Joran was smiling from ear to ear.Creeped me out and made me believe even more that the only reason Joran was detained so long....was for his own protection and not more evidences on him.

[Angiex911dsptchr]

 

[KarmaRoundUp]

I think that Natalee was in serious condition or dead by 2:26AM.
That's when Joran called Deepak with an 8-minute call.

Aahh,good thought!
I kinda get the feeling Natalee died quickly.Did we ever see what the 8 minute phone call was about?Any transcripts of that?

[KarmaRoundUp]

I think it is very strange that in the witness statement of Osman Farouk Osman, owner of Automotive Enterprises given August 6th, 2005 did not even mention the word blood.
If this is the  actual statement, and I guess this we will never know for certain, he is asked 3 questions only?

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"On your question if it is normal that the man" Deepak KALPOE leaves his car at my garage, I answer you the following:

Because I had worked in the past on the car of Deepak, he approached me to keep z/n its car for him in my garage in the "Automotive Enterprises established" at Wayaca for him. I must note that I in the past the car of Deepak had twice left his car in my garage when I worked on it. With the car of Deepak I mean the grey four door private car of the make "Honda Civic".

On your question if Deepak had told me how he knew that the missing American little girl Natalee Ann HOLLOWAY on Monday, 30 May 2005, in the night time hours, had only her identification document (drivers license) and an amount of US $50, =, in her possession, I answer you the following:

At absolutely no moment did Deepak tell me how he knew that missing little girl only had her identity card and US $50, =, in her possession. You must ask it to Deepak.

On your question if the brothers of "Deepak Sharma KALPOE" and "Satish Sharma KALPOE" have a girlfriend and also if I have seen them ever with a girlfriend, I answer you the following:

I have never seen Deepak and Satish with a girlfriend. You must ask them if they have a girlfriend.

When was this statement given and to whom?Does anyone know when Deepak took his car to AE and why?

Here is the link to the statement:

OSMAN (Automotive Enterprises) 08/06/2005 Statement:

On Saturday, August 6, 2005, around 16:50, we interrogated the witness, OSMAN Farouk OSMAN, born on Curacao on 01 October 1974, of profession director (Automotive Enterprises) and living Sabana Blanco xxxxxxxxx Aruba.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=264.0

Thanks San

[Slogger]

It was decided not to do so because Deepak Kalpoe is the one of confessed.  He confessed in front of the FBI and he knew they couldn't take it back because now there were witnesses to his confession.  I think that would be smart of Deepak to do this.  Deepak saved himself and his brother that day.  JMO.

Welcome JustMeT.

San....I always thought it was satish that confessed....but what you are saying makes a lot of sense

Getting back to this post for a second.  Sunny they are leading us to believe that it was Joran who confessed.  After witnessing Joran's actions first hand in all the interviews do you really think he would confess.  Joran loves himself too much to do so.  Joran would never confess because it would bring his father down.  Joran never had one ounce of sympathy for what he did.

Aahh,I also believed it was Joran who confessed.I saw him coming from the courthouse or intown jail on about the 11th or 12th of june 05,looked like he was crying,then they supposedly said someone DID confess and was leading them to Natalee's body...then they retracted that the next day.I also believed that Satish was/is the weakest link,Deepak and Joran was so sure Satish would mess up their first alibi lie.
I also believed it was Joran who confessed because I thought with him being locked up the longest,they MUST have more evidences on him than they did/do the Kalpoes....now I'm beginning to believe they kept Joran locked up the longest for his own protection.
I saw a video of Joran leaving the court house the day he a judge ruled that Joran had to stay put longer and....Joran was smiling from ear to ear.Creeped me out and made me believe even more that the only reason Joran was detained so long....was for his own protection and not more evidences on him.

The night of the rush hearing on MSNBC/NBC's visit to KIA, Anita said (among other things) that she thought Joran was "safe."

Joran was a babbler with a severe case of liarrhea.  I believe he could turn the tears on and off, and thought he had a better idea by "confessing" that Deepak did it and buried Natalee.

Yes, Joran could have been in jail for his own protection, and that of some others.

[JustMeT]

It was decided not to do so because Deepak Kalpoe is the one of confessed.  He confessed in front of the FBI and he knew they couldn't take it back because now there were witnesses to his confession.  I think that would be smart of Deepak to do this.  Deepak saved himself and his brother that day.  JMO.

Welcome JustMeT.

San....I always thought it was satish that confessed....but what you are saying makes a lot of sense

Getting back to this post for a second.  Sunny they are leading us to believe that it was Joran who confessed.  After witnessing Joran's actions first hand in all the interviews do you really think he would confess.  Joran loves himself too much to do so.  Joran would never confess because it would bring his father down.  Joran never had one ounce of sympathy for what he did.

Aahh,I also believed it was Joran who confessed.I saw him coming from the courthouse or intown jail on about the 11th or 12th of june 05,looked like he was crying,then they supposedly said someone DID confess and was leading them to Natalee's body...then they retracted that the next day.I also believed that Satish was/is the weakest link,Deepak and Joran was so sure Satish would mess up their first alibi lie.
I also believed it was Joran who confessed because I thought with him being locked up the longest,they MUST have more evidences on him than they did/do the Kalpoes....now I'm beginning to believe they kept Joran locked up the longest for his own protection.
I saw a video of Joran leaving the court house the day he a judge ruled that Joran had to stay put longer and....Joran was smiling from ear to ear.Creeped me out and made me believe even more that the only reason Joran was detained so long....was for his own protection and not more evidences on him.

Joran made the retracted confession. Deepak over heard Joran putting blame on him, Deepak then came clean saying the HI story wasnt true. Satish followed.

[San]

It was decided not to do so because Deepak Kalpoe is the one of confessed.  He confessed in front of the FBI and he knew they couldn't take it back because now there were witnesses to his confession.  I think that would be smart of Deepak to do this.  Deepak saved himself and his brother that day.  JMO.

Welcome JustMeT.

San....I always thought it was satish that confessed....but what you are saying makes a lot of sense

Getting back to this post for a second.  Sunny they are leading us to believe that it was Joran who confessed.  After witnessing Joran's actions first hand in all the interviews do you really think he would confess.  Joran loves himself too much to do so.  Joran would never confess because it would bring his father down.  Joran never had one ounce of sympathy for what he did.

Aahh,I also believed it was Joran who confessed.I saw him coming from the courthouse or intown jail on about the 11th or 12th of june 05,looked like he was crying,then they supposedly said someone DID confess and was leading them to Natalee's body...then they retracted that the next day.I also believed that Satish was/is the weakest link,Deepak and Joran was so sure Satish would mess up their first alibi lie.
I also believed it was Joran who confessed because I thought with him being locked up the longest,they MUST have more evidences on him than they did/do the Kalpoes....now I'm beginning to believe they kept Joran locked up the longest for his own protection.
I saw a video of Joran leaving the court house the day he a judge ruled that Joran had to stay put longer and....Joran was smiling from ear to ear.Creeped me out and made me believe even more that the only reason Joran was detained so long....was for his own protection and not more evidences on him.

The reason why Joran was crying was because Deepak told the truth and spilled the beans on him.  He was crying because he knew he was in big trouble now and everyone knows what he did.  Joran has access to every statement that Deepak made.  He would have never confessed especially after being coached by his father for 10 days.  Rule number #1 do not confess let me take car of everything.  As you can see Paulus did take care of everything.  Paulus was even allowed to sit in on one of his interrogations in front of Van der Straaten and edited it for Joran.

That picture of Joran in the police car is haunting.  We are seeing the face of a psycho who just got off with murder.  They needed to keep Joran locked up until the cover-up was complete.  As soon as they released him they whisked him off the island pronto by saying he had to go to school.

[Angiex911dsptchr]

O/T

Looks like another family was wiped out in their home near Atlanta.  What is this world coming to?????

Mother, 2 Daughters Found Dead in Georgia Home, 2 Boys Survive Attack

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,291727,00.html

  Very Sad Mike.. saw that earlier. 

[San]

It was decided not to do so because Deepak Kalpoe is the one of confessed.  He confessed in front of the FBI and he knew they couldn't take it back because now there were witnesses to his confession.  I think that would be smart of Deepak to do this.  Deepak saved himself and his brother that day.  JMO.

Welcome JustMeT.

San....I always thought it was satish that confessed....but what you are saying makes a lot of sense

Getting back to this post for a second.  Sunny they are leading us to believe that it was Joran who confessed.  After witnessing Joran's actions first hand in all the interviews do you really think he would confess.  Joran loves himself too much to do so.  Joran would never confess because it would bring his father down.  Joran never had one ounce of sympathy for what he did.

Aahh,I also believed it was Joran who confessed.I saw him coming from the courthouse or intown jail on about the 11th or 12th of june 05,looked like he was crying,then they supposedly said someone DID confess and was leading them to Natalee's body...then they retracted that the next day.I also believed that Satish was/is the weakest link,Deepak and Joran was so sure Satish would mess up their first alibi lie.
I also believed it was Joran who confessed because I thought with him being locked up the longest,they MUST have more evidences on him than they did/do the Kalpoes....now I'm beginning to believe they kept Joran locked up the longest for his own protection.
I saw a video of Joran leaving the court house the day he a judge ruled that Joran had to stay put longer and....Joran was smiling from ear to ear.Creeped me out and made me believe even more that the only reason Joran was detained so long....was for his own protection and not more evidences on him.

The night of the rush hearing on MSNBC/NBC's visit to KIA, Anita said (among other things) that she thought Joran was "safe."

Joran was a babbler with a severe case of liarrhea.  I believe he could turn the tears on and off, and thought he had a better idea by "confessing" that Deepak did it and buried Natalee.

Yes, Joran could have been in jail for his own protection, and that of some others.

I believe Joran said this because he found out that Deepak confessed and he figured he could do that same thing.  One big problem.  Was the FBI present during Joran's confession.  I bet not.

I agree they were keeping Joran in KIA because of his big mouth.

[San]

It was decided not to do so because Deepak Kalpoe is the one of confessed.  He confessed in front of the FBI and he knew they couldn't take it back because now there were witnesses to his confession.  I think that would be smart of Deepak to do this.  Deepak saved himself and his brother that day.  JMO.

Welcome JustMeT.

San....I always thought it was satish that confessed....but what you are saying makes a lot of sense

Getting back to this post for a second.  Sunny they are leading us to believe that it was Joran who confessed.  After witnessing Joran's actions first hand in all the interviews do you really think he would confess.  Joran loves himself too much to do so.  Joran would never confess because it would bring his father down.  Joran never had one ounce of sympathy for what he did.

Aahh,I also believed it was Joran who confessed.I saw him coming from the courthouse or intown jail on about the 11th or 12th of june 05,looked like he was crying,then they supposedly said someone DID confess and was leading them to Natalee's body...then they retracted that the next day.I also believed that Satish was/is the weakest link,Deepak and Joran was so sure Satish would mess up their first alibi lie.
I also believed it was Joran who confessed because I thought with him being locked up the longest,they MUST have more evidences on him than they did/do the Kalpoes....now I'm beginning to believe they kept Joran locked up the longest for his own protection.
I saw a video of Joran leaving the court house the day he a judge ruled that Joran had to stay put longer and....Joran was smiling from ear to ear.Creeped me out and made me believe even more that the only reason Joran was detained so long....was for his own protection and not more evidences on him.

Joran made the retracted confession. Deepak over heard Joran putting blame on him, Deepak then came clean saying the HI story wasnt true. Satish followed.

This could very well be true that Deepak heard what was going on and decided to spill the beans for his own protection.

Let's not forget it's two against one.  One is a well known Sociopath.  Joran's goose was cooked.

[Nut44x4]

Sorry, 4got the link
Hayley Carrero Sagona , Class of 1986
I have another one someplace that states someting about nursing school or something like that.

Okay...so I am wrong, sorry. I had been looking at another page of the discovery where it appeared it was her taking the sample.now I just don't know. She did graduate in 1986 from Huntington High though...so that would make her apx. 38 yrs. old, so "wtf" is right...lol.

Right - we really don't know and she doesn't appear to be part of the MB group. 

Someone should give her a call!

LOL Easy. I still think she is a lab tech or nurse or something...not related to the case other than that IMO.   (wish I could find that other link I have...grrr)

[klaasend]

Rob Smith replaces Jorge as PRESIDENT of AHATA:

http://www.arubatoday.com/newspaper/August/AT-1-8-07.pdf

[A's Fever]

This evening when I have more time, I will find Hammer's post on field testing of blood evidence.

How could they know if it was blood on the mattress and not know if it was in the car?

So many questions, so few answers.

But recently, we have the information that a professional PR firm was hired to assist in the cover up so is it any wonder that things became so muddled so quickly?

If Julia and Angela were running a scam by Wednesday on the family, well, that's pretty quick and why I don't believe anything even things posted very early one.

.

That informative post appears on the Lively Discussion (O/T Okay) today #670, page 25 as Blood: Update & Correction.  I do not know how to bring posts forward from another thread, sorry.

[KarmaRoundUp]

Thanks San. Agreed 100%. Too bad for him and his brother they didnt tell the truth day one. I just dont get why they agreed to cover for the Sloots.

Welcome JustMe
I think that Deepak is much more involved in this than his brother but either way,Deepak is/was trying to protect his brother.I wonder why they had to leave their home country.
I think the 2K's participated in the rape of Natalee and for that reason(and seeing how Joran is in good with the so called justice system in Aruba:Paulus)Deepak really had no choice to lie in the beginning.Then a few days later when it seemed Joran was trying to throw both Kalpoe's under the bus and blame them both for Natalee's murder(while making himself look innocent).....that's when the chit hit the fan and could be why their lying stories STILL do not match up.Deepak knows it's much too late to tell the truth now,I think he knows he is going down for the crimes against Natalee no matter how this turns out.

Hi Karma. I thought they left their country to be with their mother?

There was some talk early on that one of the Kalpoe's had to leave their home country.I got the impression that both Kalpoe brothers did not come to aruba at the same time but have nothing to prove that.Also,when news of Natalee's disappearence first broke,Mama Kalpoe was away from aruba.I remember Greta interviewed her when she got back.Does anyone know where Nadira Kalpoe was?

I believe one had been on the island 7 years and the other 3 years at the time, so yes you are correct. I didnt know she wasnt on the island when the news broke. I must have forgotten that as there is so much info out there.

I could be wrong about that(Nadira being off aruba)but I do remember Greta was wanting to interview her and she said something about the Kalpoe Mama would be getting in aruba later....I'll try finding the early Greta interview on it.