SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #1

[Lala'sMom]

Steve Croes was #4 not #5 suspect.  Check out the RWV link below...some interesting stuff there...Mum are you paying attention? 

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/06/fourth_man.html

[2NJSons_Mom]

Steve Croes was #4 not #5 suspect.  Check out the RWV link below...some interesting stuff there...Mum are you paying attention? 

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/06/fourth_man.html

I was just over there and saw that, myself.....in one of Dan's posts the headline referred to PVDS as The Elder mid June....which is a correct term, but my mind was looking for such things.   

[COLOMBO]

two cards that were played, and lost? was one kept hidden?

[Lala'sMom]

This was on the same link.  It was posted by Getagrip...very reliable source IMO



Loranzo, interrogated yesterday, is the son of the businessman who committed suicide.
Steve Croes, the one arrested this morning, is supposedly the son of the high ranking justice official.

Sorry if you cant keep up, Anj

The link that HY provided seems to be the Steve Croes in question, per the Scared Monkeys discussion board. He works for a 'party boat' in Aruba : http://www.arubaadventures.com/tattoo/

[COLOMBO]

fifth suspect? or not?

The Babylonian card may be tossed from the table and crushed under Sumerian feet (or feat)….

[Lala'sMom]

I found something else interesting concerning timelines done in relation to this case...wish I could copy and paste them...but I know it's too extensive.

http://p073.ezboard.com/TIMELINE/ftheunusualsuspectsfrm7.showMessage?topicID=9.topic

[COLOMBO]

Interesting indeed:
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/06/fourth_man.html

Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 2:58 pm
The music man’s song was not on the bill.

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:09 pm
Simian, who else plays in the orchestra? A Babylonian….

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:10 pm
Simian, older PVDS had one ot two cards up his sleeve. They have been played, and lost. Will one of the cards sing?

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:14 pm
Simian, The Sumerians do not like the Babylonian intrusion.
The Babylonian card may be tossed from the table and crushed under Sumerian feet (or feat)….    [judicial feat (fee-uht)????]

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:42 pm
Arawaks hold singing card from babylon
There is also a trio. One Babylonian. 2 Shivas.
Arawaks can’t let babylonian Card sing because hand holding it dirty too.

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:53 pm
DirtyHand is the key
He walks with the elders
He walks in all houses
And he walked with the fallen elder

[klaasend]

Interesting indeed:
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/06/fourth_man.html

Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 2:58 pm
The music man’s song was not on the bill.

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:09 pm
Simian, who else plays in the orchestra? A Babylonian….

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:10 pm
Simian, older PVDS had one ot two cards up his sleeve. They have been played, and lost. Will one of the cards sing?

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:14 pm
Simian, The Sumerians do not like the Babylonian intrusion.
The Babylonian card may be tossed from the table and crushed under Sumerian feet (or feat)….    [judicial feat (fee-uht)????]

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:42 pm
Arawaks hold singing card from babylon
There is also a trio. One Babylonian. 2 Shivas.
Arawaks can’t let babylonian Card sing because hand holding it dirty too.

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:53 pm
DirtyHand is the key
He walks with the elders
He walks in all houses
And he walked with the fallen elder

From the link above:

yeah ive heard since a week and a half ago that some " Lorenzo" was involved! A friend told me that a friend of his had seen Natalee with this guy in particular hand in hand!
So to my knowledge,it is Lorenzo another(wealthy) Dutch guy living on the island for many years!
This guy has an reputation of "insanity" a wild life style and being spoiled!
The other guy no idea who he is!
Rmemember, these are recent arrest, by ending of the day or tommorow i should know more!

But i must admit...i'm not slamming Aruba or it's law enforcemt department but this investigation is going no where!!!
The government should give the green light into giving permission to the FBI to take over this case in it's entirity!
My point is the FBI has way more experience into such cases! they deal with them daily!
They have much more knowledge,tactics and sophesticated intruments into helping to solve this case!
The Aruban police on the other hand dont have this experience! doesnt mean their bad,its just prooves Aruba doesnt have much missing persons,murder cases and stressfull situations like this one going on!
By far this is the biggest investigation in the history of Aruba!
It doesn't mean they are not working on giving results! It's just they are not used to such cases!
that's why it would be very handy and helpfull if the Arubian government gives the greenlight for the FBI to help more or take over!
Right now they are just assisting here and there with minor matters,they do not have any jurisdiction into going much further than just assisting and supervising!

Again,this is not slamming the Aruba name!
I'm sure if this were the USA they would have done a lie detector test! right?
such facts do help in these stressfull cases!!
It will determine if these people involve are lying YES OR NO!!!
Everyday it seems the trail is getting colder and colder and the chance of finding Natalee Holloway alive is getting slim!
This is if a crime was commited!

Yet some people start to think that this is a setup by the parents itself! and that she is alive some where,but not on the island!
Again i refer to this,Aruba is 74 square miles and flat as a pancake! With so many people searching on land and in the air,even bloodhounds that have a smell of 50.000 times superior to the human being.
A chopper with special cameras and equipment to detect human remains(if they were buried) and yet absolutly nothing has been found!

To be continued....





Posted by: PietjeZz | Friday, June 17, 2005 at 01:36 PM

[CapsLockWizard]

Update:

157.   Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
Steve Croes is singing.
Posted Jun 23, 3:17 PM | Edit Comment | Delete Comment | Edit Post “Van

Note: The 5th Person was Arrested on June 23, 2005 at 3:01 when Steve Croes start siging. Who is Paul Van Der Sloot..

Look at the time and the date

It was my oversight not to check the arrest dates.

So this tell me that he was a C...dmolser from the get go.  But Like I am saying now we are getting deep into trouble  zone.   "he walks te palace and he is the owner of the Hammer and Brick."  In Other words He is the LAW and like they say the Judge Drop the Hammer on the Brick and case closed.

[CapsLockWizard]

So this tells me that he was a C...dmolester from the get go.  But Like I am saying now we are getting deep into trouble  zone.   

"he walks te palace and he is the owner of the Hammer and Brick." 

In Other words He is the LAW and like they say the "Judge Drops the Hammer on the Brick and case was closed".

Now I understand why no one is willing come forewarth, they do not have the guts to deal with the Judge.
 
 
 

[Lala'sMom]

So this tells me that he was a C...dmolester from the get go.  But Like I am saying now we are getting deep into trouble  zone.   

"he walks te palace and he is the owner of the Hammer and Brick." 

In Other words He is the LAW and like they say the "Judge Drops the Hammer on the Brick and case was closed".

Now I understand why no one is willing come forewarth, they do not have the guts to deal with the Judge.
 
 
 

I think it's hammer and block...but I have been known to be wrong most days.  So  who are you talking about now?  Paulus?  He's is the 5th suspect?  Confused again.

[MumInOhio]

Steve Croes was #4 not #5 suspect.  Check out the RWV link below...some interesting stuff there...Mum are you paying attention? 

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/06/fourth_man.html

Paying attention....LOL....that's the link that has old Steve as an EMT, pilot, Columbian looking guy and who knows what else! Also a link to pics of Croes and Satish apparently, that no longer works.

Will dig up the dirt on Freddy in the morning.

For Lala's....Just heard on Nancy Grace....Who would be the liason person between the FBI and a government in a foreign country....why that would be the Dept. our Ms JA works for...and she was at the house when Joran was released.

[CapsLockWizard]

A bit about the Law of Aruba

Normaly when an Aruban perp that is not eighteen yet can not have visitation right of the parents till they clear the Investigation.

In the case of Joran, There was a big exeption made where Paul show a peace of the Law where they he can have access to his son.

This peace of law was in the Law Books of the Aruba but was not hidden but was never applied to nobody.

Since he was The Judge and Now The Law, he was granted access to his son.

In this case he was a Dutch Judge and for his son that was Dutch is was applicable. But if he was a minor Aruban boy and not with a father with a Law degree, He would have to sit the whole 10 days in jail.

14.   Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
If the Picaros took the girl then why haven’t they radioed in? They have an agenda and they always prove their point.
The Babylonians still have the boy and the Hindus pinched. The Hindus and the boy met again yesterday. The boy fell apart. Another patch is woven. There are no Picaros here, only a boy. So do the Babylonians think.

Here Simian is saying about the Theory that she have been kidnapped, and question if she was kidnapped why they have not call. A kidnapper normaly have an Agenda.

A slap in the face did the Babylonians receive yesterday from the ones who own the block and the hammer. The boy can recieve the elder. Ha! Their words will be committed to magnet.
The elder is not a capo in the Palace. The palace servants all think he is a failure, but he sure knows his way around. He did break one gate already.

Here he is saying how Paules have show the Aruba Authorities that he can visit his son.

[CapsLockWizard]

A bit about the Law of Aruba

Normaly when an Aruban perp that is not eighteen yet, can not have visitation right of the parents untill they clear the 10 day of Investigation.

In the case of Joran, There was a big exception made where Paul showed a peace of the Law where  he can have access to his son.

This peace of law was in the Law Books of the Aruba but was hidden and was never applied to nobody.

Since he was The Judge and know The Law, he was granted access to his son.

In this case Paul was a Dutch Judge and for his son that was also Dutch the law of no visitation was not applicable. But if he was a minor Aruban boy and not with a father with a Law degree, He would have to sit the whole 10 days in jail.

14.   Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
If the Picaros took the girl then why haven’t they radioed in? They have an agenda and they always prove their point.
The Babylonians still have the boy and the Hindus pinched. The Hindus and the boy met again yesterday. The boy fell apart. Another patch is woven. There are no Picaros here, only a boy. So do the Babylonians think.

Here Simian is saying about the Theory that she have been kidnapped, and question if she was kidnapped why they have not call. A kidnapper normaly have an Agenda.

A slap in the face did the Babylonians receive yesterday from the ones who own the block and the hammer. The boy can recieve the elder. Ha! Their words will be committed to magnet.
The elder is not a capo in the Palace. The palace servants all think he is a failure, but he sure knows his way around. He did break one gate already.

Here he is saying how Paules have show the Aruba Authorities that he can visit his son.

[Lala'sMom]

I thought Paulus was never really a judge.  Are you saying he was a judge and not just a wannabe? TIA

[CapsLockWizard]

I thought Paulus was never really a judge.  Are you saying he was a judge and not just a wannabe? TIA

He was a Judge but in training. it is like an MD Doctor in residency.

[COLOMBO]

update:

"might have been targeted by someone who had seen her gambling at the casino before. Police said they have found no sign of foul play, but have not ruled it out."

http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/homepage/abox/article_1964173.php

[memphis]

A bit about the Law of Aruba

Normaly when an Aruban perp that is not eighteen yet can not have visitation right of the parents till they clear the Investigation.

In the case of Joran, There was a big exeption made where Paul show a peace of the Law where they he can have access to his son.

This peace of law was in the Law Books of the Aruba but was not hidden but was never applied to nobody.

Since he was The Judge and Now The Law, he was granted access to his son.

In this case he was a Dutch Judge and for his son that was Dutch is was applicable. But if he was a minor Aruban boy and not with a father with a Law degree, He would have to sit the whole 10 days in jail.

14.   Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
If the Picaros took the girl then why haven’t they radioed in? They have an agenda and they always prove their point.
The Babylonians still have the boy and the Hindus pinched. The Hindus and the boy met again yesterday. The boy fell apart. Another patch is woven. There are no Picaros here, only a boy. So do the Babylonians think.

Here Simian is saying about the Theory that she have been kidnapped, and question if she was kidnapped why they have not call. A kidnapper normaly have an Agenda.

A slap in the face did the Babylonians receive yesterday from the ones who own the block and the hammer. The boy can recieve the elder. Ha! Their words will be committed to magnet.
The elder is not a capo in the Palace. The palace servants all think he is a failure, but he sure knows his way around. He did break one gate already.

Here he is saying how Paules have show the Aruba Authorities that he can visit his son.

Where did this Simian quote come from? I don't remember reading it.
Also, could this be what the "legal checkmate" stuff was about?

[CapsLockWizard]

Colombo:

Yes it is all about this checkmate

I am almost done with simian clues.

[MumInOhio]

Columbo....I am sorry that this is so long, but now you will see why I can't decide what date Freddy was arrested....but I do believe he was, and secretly, well before the August arrest. Most of this is from posts I have made, except for the one about Freddy being derained since June 9th.


December 31, 2007, 11:08:03 AM
Tamikosmom……Sorry for the long Post, but I know what a stickler for details you are!
Steve Croes was not questioned until 6/15 and arrested on 6/17. The article I posted yesterday was dated 6/11. (See below in blue)  IMO, I do not believe the arrest of 6/11 pertains to Steve Croes. I have included all the statement dates of both Steve and Freddy, that we know of. IMO, the arrest of 6/11/2005 could pertain to Freddy. 
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Snipped from Nancy Grace transcript which aired 6/17/2005

But first, let`s go down to Aruba and CNN correspondent Karl Penhaul. Karl, an incredible development, yet a fourth suspect behind bars tonight. Why?

KARL PENHAUL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: The fourth suspect that has been arrested has been named as Steven Croes, Steve Croes. Police arrested him around dawn. What the chief police commissioner, Jan Van Der Straaten, told me when I talked to him was that his name had come up during an interrogation of the three young suspects already in custody for around ten days. What we`re also hearing is that this arrest could have been based on some kind of electronic surveillance. Steve Croes is a D.J. on the tattoo party boat. That`s 150-foot three-deck catamaran that sails just off the west coast of Aruba with partygoers on board, usually in the evenings. And he is the D.J. on that ship. But his boss, Marcus Williams (sic), has also told us that he is an experienced seaman, as well, Nancy.

Name: Steve Croes
Date: 15 June 2005 / 16:25
Pages: 3 Writer/Initiator: Luigi Croes
Description: witness statement

Name: Steve Croes
Date: 17 June 2005 / 07:40
Pages: 4 Writer/Initiator. Dennis Jacobs/Luigi Croes
Description: suspect interrogation Responsive to Request 41

Name: Steve Croes
Date: 18 June 2005 / 16:55
Pages: 3 Writer/Initiator: Johny Erasmus
Description: interrogation as a suspect Responsive to Request 41

Name: Steve Croes
Date: 21 June 2005 / 13:00
Pages: 5 Writer/Initiato: Shaniro Kelly / Clyde Burke
Description: interrogation of a suspect

Name: Steve Croes
Date: 29 August 2005 / 9:15
Pages: 6 Writer/Initiator: A.R De Ruiter/ CJM Burgwal
Description: interrogation of a suspect

Name: Steve Gregg Croes
Date: 31 January 2006109:45
Pages: 4 Writer/Initiator. Dennis Jacobs / Rolando Maduro
Description: interrogation of a suspect Responsive to Request 41
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This is snipped from the article I posted yesterday:
Another Arrest Made In Case Of Missing Ala. Teen

POSTED: 9:38 am EDT June 10, 2005
UPDATED: 9:34 am EDT June 11, 2005

ORANJESTAD, Aruba -- Police in Aruba investigating the disappearance of an Alabama teenager made another arrest early Saturday. It comes just hours after police said one of three men recently arrested admitted "something bad had happened" to Natalee Holloway.Police aren't commenting on the latest arrest, which was the sixth since Holloway went missing May 30              ----------------------------------------------------

It appears that the status of Freddy has changed on the entries for Karen and Carmen, IMO, as only suspects are listed this way in this document. IMO this is what Jossy was referring to about the media not being informed about Freddy being arrested early in the investigation.

Name: Freddy Alexander Arambatzis
Date: 12 June 2005 / 11:05
Pages: 5 Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs & Juan Boezem
Description: witness statement of Joran van der Sloot's neighbor/friend

Name: Freddy Alexander Arambaizis
Date: 13 June 2005 / 17:00
Pages: 5 Writer/Initiator. Johny Erasmus
Description: witness statement

Name: Freddy Alexander Arambatzis
Date: 16 June 2005115:30
Pages: 8 Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs & Marcelino Ras
Description: witness statement

Name: Freddy Zedan
Date:17 Juni 2005
Pages: 6Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs, Eric Soemers
Description: witness statement

Name: Freddy Alexander Zedan Arambatzis
Date:28 June 2005 / 14:25
Pages: 11 Writer/Initiator: Shaniro Kelly & Haydee Nadal
Description: witness statement

Name: Freddy Zedan Arrambatzis
Date: 1 July 2005
Pages: 9 Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs & Haydee Azucena
Description: witness statement

Name: Freddy Zedan Arrambatzis
Date:20 July 2005
Pages: 4 Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs, Eric Soemers
Description: witness statement

Name: Freddy Alenxander Arambatzis
Date: 10 February 2006/17:15
Pages: 5 Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs /Eric Soemers
Description: interrogation of a suspect Responsive to Request 41

Name: Karen Martina
Date: 23 June 2005113:55
Pages: 6 Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs / Juan Boezem
Description: witness statement by a friend of Van der Sloot and Arrambatzis

Name: Carmen Aurora Jacopucci
Date: 28 June 2005 / 15:55
Pages: 6 Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs /Marcelino Ras
Description: witness statement by a fried of Van der Sloot and Araambatzis
    ---------------------------------------------------------------

December 30, 2007, 09:31:05 AM-my post

Found this at the judicial inc site under accomplices and had posted in the Shango/Simian thread. Also reposted the other evening.

In this interview Jossy Mansur confirms Freddie Arambatzis-Zedan is now being held in prison. Mansur explains that he takes sexual pictures of “unsuspecting” girls and then sells it. The girls are apparently aware and okay with the picture taking, however not with the distribution of them. No offense but I think if you allow someone to take a picture of you, especially one that claims to be “Locoman Pimp”, you should be well aware of his intent. Mansur says this guy was held in the beginning of the investigation and obviously the media was not made aware of this. Jossy says he is probably being held because of a false alibi for Joran van der Sloot he initially gave police.
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the link is no longer available.
www.nbc4i.com/news/4593143/detail.html

Another Arrest Made In Case Of Missing Ala. Teen
POSTED: 9:38 am EDT June 10, 2005
UPDATED: 9:34 am EDT June 11, 2005

ORANJESTAD, Aruba -- Police in Aruba investigating the disappearance of an Alabama teenager made another arrest early Saturday. It comes just hours after police said one of three men recently arrested admitted "something bad had happened" to Natalee Holloway.

Police aren't commenting on the latest arrest, which was the sixth since Holloway went missing May 30.

Late Friday, one of three young men who took Holloway to the beach during her class trip to Aruba said "something bad happened" to her, police said.

The three men arrested by Aruban police early Thursday morning had been designated "persons of interest" in the case and were detained soon after Natalee Holloway's disappearance. Police officials questioned the trio, and then released them back to their families.

And more…..

This one from the AP about the same arrest:
By MICHAEL NORTON, Associated Press Writer

ORANJESTAD, Aruba - Police investigating the disappearance of an Alabama honors student in Aruba arrested a man at dawn Saturday, hours after one of three young men already in custody admitted "something bad happened" to the woman after they took her to the beach.

It was unclear if the 6 a.m. arrest was related to the admission. The same team of officers who arrested five others in the case during the past week went to a home just outside Oranjestad, the capital, and came out with a handcuffed man who looked to be in his 20s.

And then I posted:
OK....I just read that the arrest I posted above was NOT related to Natalee!

Next I posted:
Same arrest....now it didn't happen!

by Norman 'Gus' Thomas
Caribbean Net News Senior Regional Correspondent
E-mail: rc@caribbeannetnews.com
Saturday, June 11, 2005ORANJESTAD, Aruba:

Law enforcement officials in Aruba are calling recent reports coming out of the USA in relation to the disappearance of an Alabama teenager as "untrue and misleading." 18-year-old Natalee Holloway vanished May 29 after leaving an Oranjestad nightclub.

According to US reports, police in Aruba arrested a man on Saturday morning, after one of a trio that was previously held reportedly told police "something bad happened to her".

CNN's 2:00 pm report on Saturday stated that a senior police officer had told them that one of the three men arrested had confessed to killing Halloway.

Aruba police told Caribbean Net News Saturday that they have been engaged in an unsuccessful island-wide search for Holloway, who had come to the island with 124 other students from the USA to celebrate their graduation from Mountain Brook High School.

Caribbean Net News contacted CNN Headline News in Atlanta who said that they have reporters on the ground in Aruba and were adamant that they are sticking by their story.

However, officials in Aruba maintain that no confession was made and there has been no other arrest apart from the five made earlier.

According to one US report, police this morning visited a home on the outskirts of the capital city of Oranjestad and were later seen coming from the house with a young man wearing handcuffs, but the Aruba police have also denied this.

However, police did confirm to Caribbean Net News that, of the arrested trio, two are brothers and hail from Suriname while the other is a 17-year-old Dutchman who is the son of a top member of Aruba's legal circle.
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Quote from: ******* on January 08, 2008, 11:04:54 PM

<snipped>

ORANJESTAD, Aruba -- Satish and Deepak Kalpoe, the two Surinamese brothers previously detained in the Natalee Holloway case, have been re-arrested on suspicion of premeditated rape and murder, Aruban government officials said Friday. A third person was also detained.

Prosecutor's office spokeswoman Mariaine Croes told FOX News that the third person was a man known as "Freddy" or "F.A.," said to be a friend of Joran van der Sloot, who has been held in the case since June 9.

It was unclear if the third arrest was related to the Holloway case.

"Freddy" has been held since June 9?
http://freedomeden.blogspot.com/2005/08/more-from-aruba.html
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Here is the link for the conversations on the above posts….

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2500.740

The link under Freddy’s name also said that Jaime was going to be arrested in August with the re-arrest of the Kalpoes and Freddy’s arrest.
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December 27, 2007, 01:52:31 PM-my post
 
I have been looking at June 16th because of Lala’s 5th suspect and noticed that Satish was not questioned from June 11th until June 18th, except by Judge Wit. I am presuming that this was in regards to a further 8 day detention, but haven’t checked on it yet. Here are a few things from my notes as the 16th and Rene were mentioned by the night crew. Have not included details of 17th and 18th. Maybe it will help ******* to see why Rene’s wife murdered him! LOL!

June 15th 2005Van der Sloot’s house searched
Anita and Paulus questioned per Top95
Steve Croes questioned
Florencia Metz questioned
Natalee missing for 4 days in Costa Rica rumor posted and deleted.
Geraldo on Fox - theory on porn video

June 16th 2005
QuestionedCamera controllers – various hotels
Florencia Metz
Koen Gottenbos
Sander Gottenbos
Freddy Arambatzis
Lorenzo van Rijn
Max Arendz
Joran’s lawyer spoke with a witness - Top 95
Boycott of Aruba talks announced – 95.1
Joran changes to Kalpoes story – Top 95
Distance to Joran’s house from hotels measured
Porn movie theory debunked by editor of Aruba Today and not mentioned again on Fox
Judge to rule on Paulus visiting Joran
Aruba radio says around 3.30PM that there is an arrest in Savaenta - no confirmation
Abrams Report – arrest not related to Natalee
Helicopter with heat seeking equipment near Donkey Farm
Picture of Joran not looking happy – NY Post and AP

Rumors from June 16th 2005
Joran’s lawyer did not tell the truth about what was discussed with the witness-interesting
Joran’s lawyer fired
Interviewing three more -  Jaime and Freddy should be included
Fox says evidence found
Val taken off the island
Judge not to rule today
Helicopter searched near Seroe/Kia – not sure if this is near the Donkey Farm
Joran was seen going into the woods at ISA on May 30th.
This is second raid and arrest not related to Natalee’s case
Possible first rumor of 6.30 phone call
More rumors that Natalee had run away before
Friend speaks out on Joran’s temper
Friend speaks out on Satish’s temper

From Fox by a friend of the Kalpoes
Satish and Deepak hung out a lot with vacationers No connection to drugs. No fights with people. THinks brothers are protecting Joran.edit: Friend was also from Surinam

June 16th to 17th.
ORANJESTAD - The death of Rene van Heyningen, on the night of Thursday, 16 on Friday, June 17, 2005, were relationship problems in advance. The man was violent and jealous women

June 17th.
Steve Croes arrested
Satish questioned by Judge Wit

Questioned
Sander
Freddy
Steve
Jaime
Koen

June 18th. 2005
Paulus questioned
Bank lady, Ruth Dijkhoff, murdered in The Netherlands

By the way, I do not buy into ‘the not connected to Natalee’ garbage. All of these people were questioned because of what happened to Natalee.  Lala’s has said many times that just because they were suspects, does not mean that they were detained. Why did ALE not release information about the status of some? Why NO questions for Satish?