SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #1

[MumInOhio]

So this tells me that he was a C...dmolester from the get go.  But Like I am saying now we are getting deep into trouble  zone.   

"he walks te palace and he is the owner of the Hammer and Brick." 

In Other words He is the LAW and like they say the "Judge Drops the Hammer on the Brick and case was closed".

Now I understand why no one is willing come forewarth, they do not have the guts to deal with the Judge.
 
 
 

So is the Judge 'Dirty Hand' or is he the 'hidden card?

[MumInOhio]

Sorry Caps...I meant to say Thanks in Advance....

Links and posts for Shango and Simian

These are the links that Lala’s posted from page 28

Simian link
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1194.0

Shango link
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=281.0


There is another poster Merian Ernest. Check it out also.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=223.0


Link to Shango’s posts from Magnolia, page 28

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.520


Links to the missing Simian posts…169-179

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.940
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.960


Maybe Klaas could check the last ones that were missing and edit them back in with the Real Simian posts….Thanks Magnolia for bringing all those posts over!

[CapsLockWizard]

Good day to all,

Do anyone have the SHANGO riddle in an unedited form, I will like to compare it to Simian.

SIMIAN is saying that SHANGO is Fake and not to Trust what he is saying.

[MumInOhio]

Good day to all,

Do anyone have the SHANGO riddle in an unedited form, I will like to compare it to Simian.

SIMIAN is saying that SHANGO is Fake and not to Trust what he is saying.

Caps...I'm not sure what you mean. there is a link in my last post for the Shango posts...I think they are down towards the bottom of the page. Otherwise they are spread all over the SM.com site in a whole lot of threads.

[Lala'sMom]

Good day to all,

Do anyone have the SHANGO riddle in an unedited form, I will like to compare it to Simian.

SIMIAN is saying that SHANGO is Fake and not to Trust what he is saying.

That is true..however, Shango is the one that begins the talk of raves and Joran leaving Natalee at a house. He also is the one that talks of her being singled out at the casino and the lions that prey on young women.  So you can't have it both ways.  Simian was also ridiculed by posters in Aruba at the time as being in touch with little green men.  Checkme, that posted some accurate information did not hold Simian in high regard either.  Many times when Checkme was on relaying info, Simian appeared just as Shango does to refute what was being said.  Shango spent more time telling everyone that Joran was a scapegoat and that it was someone else that killed Natalee.  Simian does also...to Simian the #5 person is the killer or person responsible and to Shango it is the elders at the rave.  So neither places the blame on Joran. If Joran is innocent, why spend all this time lying to cover for someone else?  Shango and Simian both say that Natalee died at the hands of someone other than Joran. 

[Lala'sMom]

Good day to all,

Do anyone have the SHANGO riddle in an unedited form, I will like to compare it to Simian.

SIMIAN is saying that SHANGO is Fake and not to Trust what he is saying.

Caps...I'm not sure what you mean. there is a link in my last post for the Shango posts...I think they are down towards the bottom of the page. Otherwise they are spread all over the SM.com site in a whole lot of threads.

What we have given you is the most complete version that exists at the time.  There are posts made on one area that links back to other places and comments...it is quite scattered across many pages.  There is  post by Simian that are not even included in the posts.  They have not real meaning in the overall scheme, but I found it once and had them saved on my other computer.  It was just a comment or two I found on a page that we didn't have.  I wish I still had it...it was only a single comment.  There are posts found at other sites also, that may or may not be from the real Shango, if there ever was a real Shango....so you have to work with what is available that is what we have been doing for over 2 years now.   Unedited to me would be in the actual context of the conversation...there are some of those already in this thread.  Mum and I have posted them often, trying to understand the actual context of the riddles.  My personal opinion is that you must read them in the context (which can be as long as 50 comments) to understand them. I have various interpretations if you would like any of that.

[COLOMBO]

#5=DirtyHand

[COLOMBO]

Babylonian Card (one of two played by PVDS) tossed from the table

Jacobs: ".....not a suspect, never was a suspect."

[Lala'sMom]

#5=DirtyHand

Which Dirty Hand?  The polis official dirty hand or the Arawak Dirty Hand?  I always thought you had someone else in mind for dirty hand=MJ?  Have you changed your mind?  Just curious...I can't keep up with you anymore...not that I ever could...you are always ahead of me in your thinking. LOL

[MumInOhio]

I find it interesting as to when they started posting...Simian especially as all we have seen and heard happened on the 16th and 17th.

[COLOMBO]

The fallen judge and the singing card are of the same hand, but it is dangerous for the Arawaks to play it, because everyone would hear, including the cowboys

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:49 pm
The maze offers many hidden desires
deflowerings of forbidden fruits
DirtyHand knows.
So does the elder.
The lamb is a scapegoat.

[COLOMBO]

#5=DirtyHand

Which Dirty Hand?  The polis official dirty hand or the Arawak Dirty Hand?  I always thought you had someone else in mind for dirty hand=MJ?  Have you changed your mind?  Just curious...I can't keep up with you anymore...not that I ever could...you are always ahead of me in your thinking. LOL

one of your posts flipped a switch......see ere:

« Reply #1006 on: January 22, 2008, 07:18:07 PM »

[MumInOhio]

#5=DirtyHand

Are you saying that the 5th suspect is also DirtyHand...and that is Jacobs? TIA

[COLOMBO]

#5=DirtyHand

Are you saying that the 5th suspect is also DirtyHand...and that is Jacobs? TIA

no-quoting Jacobs in reference to this individual......see #1006

[COLOMBO]

and what I'm saying is that we can't know who is #5, because "the Babylonian Card may have been from the table"

but who many believe to be #5 may in fact be DirtyHand

[COLOMBO]

sorry..."tossed from the table"

[Lala'sMom]

I find it interesting as to when they started posting...Simian especially as all we have seen and heard happened on the 16th and 17th.

Then Shango doesn't come on board until later in the month....most likely to counter some of the info Simian is providing.  We do not know if Shango was posting in any other forums before that either. He could have been at RWV or Websleuths or any number of places including the Yahoo message boards an we would never know now. Same with Simian, Checkme, AIA and a host of others.  I occasionally find posts by people that sound and use the same phrasing, but still there is no way to tell without IP and email info, I don't guess.

[MumInOhio]

No switch flipped here...LOL and I went back twice and reopened the link...so COLUMBO, please tell who you think is DirtyHand!!!


(put all those links together so that I wouldn't have to run all over the thread and look what happened!) 

[Lala'sMom]

and what I'm saying is that we can't know who is #5, because "the Babylonian Card may have been from the table"

but who many believe to be #5 may in fact be DirtyHand

Simian knew who #5 was...he just would not say because...and this is MIO...if he did say then ALE and others would either know who Simian was and he would be in real trouble or he knew and had no way to prove what he was saying...still no answers.  One thing we do know are the hints to #5 identity. Simian was pretty much plain talk until he/she got warned to keep quiet...the boards were being monitored and the cover up underway within a few weeks. Simian gives very clear hints to me...maybe just to me...but he says #5 was a boyfriend...I take that to mean a male acquaintance.  Natalee was only on the island for about 3 days...can't establish a serious relationship in that short of time without spending each and every waking moment with this "boyrfriend".  Simian says she met this person in the casino. He has an alibi...what kind of alibi?  One that can't be broken because of the people that are offering this alibi.  Simian also says that the alibi are the party goers...that party people were with the 5th suspect and he was the host...I take that to be host of the party...the party these people were attending.  I know some think differently, but it is there in plain English...Simian did not riddle until he had to.  Simian clearly says that this "lover" was angry at someone...most likely Joran, but it could have been Natalee that he was angry with...since Simian mentions motive.  Funny to me that this all occurred within 48 hours....not much time to develop a plot if you ask me.   "cool and crazy" guy tells me it's someone ALE is suspecting from the beginning...Simian is trying to tell us who it is without saying a name.  Dirty Hand did not enter the picture until Shango arrived and to me they are not the same person.  Dirty Hand exerts much more influence than #5 does...he knows all and sees all and can break the alibi.  I am most likely way off here, but I have studied this stuff too and that is what I see.  My opinion is subject to change with additional proof. MOO

[jackb]

Update:

157.   Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
Steve Croes is singing.
Posted Jun 23, 3:17 PM | Edit Comment | Delete Comment | Edit Post “Van

Note: The 5th Person was Arrested on June 23, 2005 at 3:01 when Steve Croes start siging. Who is Paul Van Der Sloot..

Look at the time and the date


Steve Croes is or was (is) a friend to G. Cromvroit (of Beach Security and Red Sails) where Koen worked.  They all knew each other, through each other.  G. Cromvroit would have access to any and everything as his father owns the Security Company and he worked beach patrol and at times hotel security.  They installed and managed the video security for most of the businesses in the area.  There are pictures of Steve Croes being with G. Cromvroit along with some young women, one of whom looks to be close kin to Julia Renfro, perhaps a younger version.  The international school has small classes and the vanilla boys had to know one another.  It is obvious.       jack blue
It was my oversight not to check the arrest dates.

So this tell me that he was a C...dmolser from the get go.  But Like I am saying now we are getting deep into trouble  zone.   "he walks te palace and he is the owner of the Hammer and Brick."  In Other words He is the LAW and like they say the Judge Drop the Hammer on the Brick and case closed.