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« Reply #1040 on: January 23, 2008, 11:32:32 AM »

Lala's...at this time I tend to agree.

I can't see Natalee showing any interest in Lorenzo, from what we've seen in pictures, and that has always steered him away from him. Don't think she'd see anything much in Freddy either, but Joran tells us that he and Freddy hang out around the beaches to pick up tourists. I find it very strange indeed that Joran always goes out with Freddy and Jaime, and Koen too, but on the the weekend the Mountain Brook kids were there he went out with Deepak and Satish on both the Saturday and Sunday night. One of the Kalpoes even said this was unusual.

This has been bothering me and will have to go back to the original post....in the Simian real posts....party-go-ers....maybe nothing, but something I noticed as strange as most say party goers...as you just did.
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« Reply #1041 on: January 23, 2008, 11:36:07 AM »

Good day to all,

Do anyone have the SHANGO riddle in an unedited form, I will like to compare it to Simian.

SIMIAN is saying that SHANGO is Fake and not to Trust what he is saying.



Shango said Simian is a fake.  Simian is a fake.  Shango is real and called Simian who he is.    Jack B.
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« Reply #1042 on: January 23, 2008, 11:38:18 AM »

Jackb...and GVC's house was still for sale as of 12/17/2007. I did a little checking a couple of weeks ago and found where Wilhelm von Cromvoit was 'interragated' early on. Also saw it said that Dompig was protecting GVC as he was a friend of Michael Dompig's.
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« Reply #1043 on: January 23, 2008, 11:45:15 AM »

Good day to all,

Do anyone have the SHANGO riddle in an unedited form, I will like to compare it to Simian.

SIMIAN is saying that SHANGO is Fake and not to Trust what he is saying.





Shango said Simian is a fake.  Simian is a fake.  Shango is real and called Simian who he is.    Jack B.

Please elaborate on this for me...I would like to know what brought you to that conclusion?  By fake do you mean a poster that was trying to get attention? Someone that didn't know anything about what was happening?  Someone that was just trying to keep the truth hidden?  I am confused. TIA
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« Reply #1044 on: January 23, 2008, 12:05:08 PM »

Good day to all,

Do anyone have the SHANGO riddle in an unedited form, I will like to compare it to Simian.

SIMIAN is saying that SHANGO is Fake and not to Trust what he is saying.





Shango said Simian is a fake.  Simian is a fake.  Shango is real and called Simian who he is.    Jack B.

Please elaborate on this for me...I would like to know what brought you to that conclusion?  By fake do you mean a poster that was trying to get attention? Someone that didn't know anything about what was happening?  Someone that was just trying to keep the truth hidden?  I am confused. TIA
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:09 pm
Simian, who else plays in the orchestra? A Babylonian….
Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:10 pm
The last hope rests on the shoulders of the cowboys. Ten days, two down, eight to go.
The elder knows the passages in the palace too well. The Babylonians are afraid they might not be able to stop him.
Don’t shake the wire, ‘cause the bird will fy away.
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:10 pm
Simian, older PVDS had one ot two cards up his sleeve. They have been played, and lost. Will one of the cards sing?
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:14 pm
Simian, The Sumerians do not like the Babylonian intrusion.
The Babylonian card may be tossed from the table and crushed under Sumerian feet (or feat)….
Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:18 pm
Shock means well. He understands the Babylonians, but they don’t hold the hammer nor the block.
The alibi needs to be broken. The party-go-ers need to be pressured. They have seen from the corners of their eyes. The house was dusted.
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:18 pm
Simian, why was the key from the Babylons Palace not used to open the Sumerians Door ?
They have become famished and Eden is beckoning….
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:26 pm
Simian, his lordship did not bring the expected key
the door never existed
Eden is distant
Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:27 pm
The cowboys have only so much gold. The territory is rough. There are many secrets, but the Arawaks are helping.
The palace is open to all, but the palace is a maze to most.
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:30 pm
Simian, his lordship did not bring the key for the Arawaks
So it will remain “cowboys and indians”
The posse was too late
Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:31 pm
The Babylonians don’t hold the hammer nor the block. They are running out of options.
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:33 pm
Simian, His Lordship did not bring the key found in the car, it did not exist
The arawaks can’t open the door
Hope lies with the cowbous,
but the posse was too late
Eden is still distant
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:37 pm
Why don’t the Arawaks to play the Babylonian Card ?
The posse is far from the fort and the loot is gone
The indians can’t count on the cowboys
The arawaks need to audition the singing card
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:40 pm
The key does not exist
The Arawaks knew Babylonian involvement would prove futile
That is why the cowboys left the fort and a searching with the indians
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:43 pm
The fallen judge agreed to sing because he can hum any tune
He needs to sing for his son, or see the end of his babylonian offspring
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:45 pm
Shango is not limited to any location, orixas are his messengers
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:49 pm
Elder needs to sing to preserve his lineage
To agree to remain silent is to agree not to hum any tune
The Arawaks are desperate, they fear for the tribe, they do not want war with the cowboys
But the loot remains hidden
And the Arawaks keep their singing card hidden as well
The fallen judge and the singing card are of the same hand, but it is dangerous for the Arawaks to play it, because everyone would hear, including the cowboys
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:57 pm
The Arawaks may not need to play the singing card
The cowboys won’t hear the music and the teepees will be safe
Wampum is needed as the doors closed on Eden
Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:04 pm
The wire has been shaken. The bird has left.
Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:10 pm
The system is built so that innocent are always protected. One shred of doubt is enough to thrown a case out.
Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:11 pm
The system is built so that the innocent are always protected. One shred of doubt is enough to thrown a case out.
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:12 pm
Cowboys must behave in Indian territory
The arawaks need pemmican, they have been without wampum, 1 Moon
The Arawaks keep the singing card
One singing Babylonian and two Hindu chanters are enough
His lordships presence guarantees a trio
The key to edens door did not exist
The refrain has already begun
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:14 pm
Simian your Dopple has resumed position
Bird on the wire
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:16 pm
You must remember
The Arawaks placed singing beetles with the Babylonian and the two Shivas
They were never alone
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:22 pm
Because the fallen judge agreed, he can sing any song he wants
A poisonous siren in the halls of babylon
He will sing to keep doors open, much to the cowboys distress
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:26 pm
The maze of Babylon is very difficult for the supposed guilty, even if innocent
The Arawaks cannot reveal their singing card
many teepees would be destroyed and the cowboys would get upset
the singing card is bad luck for wampum for many moons
So there must be some type of sacrifice
The gods are hungry, the cowboys are hungry
Great disruption in the halls of babylonian palace
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:29 pm
There will be sacrifice
Tribal elders worried
Bad wampum, many moons
Light the fires
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:33 pm
Arawaks do not like Babylonian musicians
Everyone in camp hears poison music
Many teepees fall
New wars with babylon
No Wampum, many moons
Light the Fires!
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:37 pm
What is an Arawak.
To find answers, one must Google if smoke signals blowing in strong wind
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:42 pm
Arawaks hold singing card from babylon
There is also a trio. One Babylonian. 2 Shivas.
Arawaks can’t let babylonian Card sing because hand holding it dirty too.
Many teepees fall. No Wampum.
Cowboys eat Sacrifice. Arawaks eat sacrifice.
Dirty hand stays hidden, but all are well-fed.
Cowboys happy, but unrest in the halls of the palace
Babylon owes the Arawaks!
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:50 pm
If Babylonian Card sings, all will fill
Teepees and the house of babylon
We must have a sacrifice
Hide dirty hand
Light the fires!
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:53 pm
If Babylonian card sings ALL will fall
Teepees and the house of Babylon
If cowboys stay, after the sacrifice, everyone see dirty hand.
No Wampum, Many Moons.
Light the fires!
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:55 pm
If cowboys see dirty hand, many teepees fall. House of Babylon falls.
we must have a sacrifice to feed the cowboys.
they go back to the fort with no loot.
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:58 pm
Halls of the house of babylon may suddenly twist
to accomodate cowboys walking in the maze.
No loot, but many answers.
Better twisted hallways than fallen houses.
Many invisible spirits around Arawak Fires. Many gods watching.
we must have a sacrifice.
Light the fires!
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:02 pm
Do not listen to cowgirls who cast shadows on the walls of doubt….
There will be a sacrifice.
The cowboys will be happy.
The house of Babylon won’t fall and crush the teepees
There will be a sacrifice
Soon many will see smoke signals
Cowboys will go back to fort
But first we need the sacrifice
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:04 pm
Prepare the fires.
We need a sacrifice
A babylonian beast. Young Lamb der Sloot
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:13 pm
arawaks are lighting the fire
babylonians have no hunger
cowboys want a sacrifice
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:22 pm
The babylonians knew it was dangerous to trade among the arawaks
The way is clouded for the sacrifice
Rules have changed, so has the maze
the way is lost for the pioneers who went to live among the indians
The flames are growing
A sacrifice will be made to spare the police;
to spare the teepees
Singing cards have lost their power
Arawaks worried about being caught with dirty hand
His lordship will bestow the title soon….
They will save the teepees and the palace,
but first
The Sacrifice
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:30 pm
We need a sacrifice to appease the Arawaks and the Cowboys
Teepees already swaying in strong babylonian wind
House of Babylon does not want a sacrifice
They do not care about Arawak Teepees
only wrath of cobwoys
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:32 pm
The sacrifice is the correct food to appease the gods, arawaks, and cowboys
but the foundations of the house of babylon will shake
even harder if Arawak Dirty Hand is revealed
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:39 pm
Every tribe has bad Indians
Every fort has bad cowboys
If sirens sing a poison song, all will get sick
Arawaks and cowboys working well
Arawaks fear wrath of cowboys for DirtyHand
But babylonians live in teepees too
If the house of babylon is to remain erect,
it must protect the babylonians who have
lived in teepees, among the arawaks, for a long time.
babylon will agree to a sacrifice of newer
teepee dwellers to prevent the story of dirtyhand being made public
Dirtyhand scares arawaks too
the sacrifice will be the correct sacrifice to appease the gods and cowboys
cowboys will leave without loot
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:43 pm
Meetings with his lordship will reveal several mysteries
the sacrifice also knows the fires have been lit
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:48 pm
The simplicity of Occams Razor is often outweighed by
the complexity of maintaining factors in an elemental state
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:50 pm
The pain the sacrificial beast will feel depends on how
quickly the cowboys return to the fort.
ConcernedUK Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:51 pm
Does Shango liaise with Simian?
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:54 pm
The Arawaks are not going to sacrifice a scapegoat
Babylon needs to allow one sacrifice to keep DirtyHand hidden
Babylon scared of DirtyHand
Arawaks scared of DirtyHand
If sacrifice is made, teepees are safe, villagers and cowboys happy
If DirtyHand discovered, House of Babylon falls, Teepees crushed under great house
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:58 pm
Arawaks want to make cowboys happy
Babylonians want to maintain integrity of Great House
Gods of the cowboys know there was a game in the great house,
and so DirtyHand was discovered
But the sacrifice will be offered before dirty hand sings
He will return to babylon, broken but anonymous
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 6:00 pm
arawaks and babylonians often fight, but this is
kept from the cowboys as it can affect wampum for many moons.
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 6:02 pm
The babylonians are to blame.
The arawaks were worried about teepees and the cowboys.
They did not bring DirtyHand into the Tribe!
He will go back to babylon broken, after the sacrifice is eaten
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 6:04 pm
If DirtyHand sings, sacrifice will still be eaten.
But there will be many more people at the feast, and the cowboys would resent the Arawaks for Babylons interference.
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 6:13 pm
His lordship did not bring the key, it does not exist.
doors to eden remain closed.
The arawaks hold the singing cards. They have the babylonian and 2 shivas.
But the other card is dirty.
Even if you play cards in the house of babylon as an arawak, you still have DirtyHand.
If DirtyHand comes out of hiding, Babylon will fall and the cowboys will circle the wagons.
DirtyHand can destroy the Arawaks and Babylon.
Better to prepare the sacrifice quickly so the cowboys go home
….without the loot
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 6:19 pm
There are many DirtyHands among the Arawak, and so it has been for centuries…
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 6:28 pm
All preceding stated is verifiable
DirtyHand is well known
there will be a sacrifice
the gods have been talking
the fires have been lit
the cowboys will go back to the fort without the loot
that is why they are preparing the sacrifice
All fear DirtyHand
Arawaks and babylon
I must go feed the messengers
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 6:30 pm
Shango is not a Simian Doppleganger and has his own messengers
Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 8:04 pm
The young Lamb der Sloot shall be the sacrifice for the Arawaks and the cowboys.
All will sit around the fire and feast on scapegoat.
The gods are talking
DirtyHand is alive and well
Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 8:06 pm
Babalu opened a window looking into Babylon on his 12:31 A.M. post
Babalú Says: June 27th, 2005 at 12:30 am
Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 8:11 pm
One straight path
to the house of Rave,
while of gold bricks
the road is not paved,
answers mysterious lie within
magical letters which spell sin
XTC DNA
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 8:25 pm
The Arawaks want the truth to come out
As long as DirtyHand is not found
Aruba is preserved and Babylon will pay the price
the gods know that the blame lies on babylon
the cowboys will go back to the fort without the loot
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 8:27 pm
DirtyHand and the fallen judge may not be crucified
the gods are talking
Shango Says:June 26th, 2005 at 9:19 pm
DirtyHand is not an Arawak
The singing card can not be played
The cowboys would circle the wagons
The arawaks are preparing the sacrifice
light the fires
the gods are talking
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:21 pm
The sacrificial offering will not be scapegoat
Babalú Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:26 pm
The kidnapper is not Aruban
Van Rijn can not be pressured
The FBI would close in on the whole operation
The Arubans are prepared to give somebody as a token culprit
They will not sacrifice Steve Croes
Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:27 pm
The elder had to come clean. He knows what damaged he had caused.
The Simian said to not shake the wire, ‘cause the bird would fly away.
The Simian would never pose. Go back and read what the Simian wrote. The Babylonians knows what happened, but they are up in arms.
The gamblers knew the girl.
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:30 pm
Who knows what song the elder will sing
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:31 pm
The shivas knew the girl
the arawaks new the girl
and the babylonians still know the girl
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:32 pm
His lordship is there to preserve babylon
not the elder
remember dirtyhand!
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:34 pm
the struggle between the babylonians and the arawaks still remains hidden
the arawaks awaited the key
his lordship said no
the door to eden remains closed
they are preparing the fire
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:35 pm
DirtyHand is not an Arawak
Many pioneers have settled with the tribe

Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:36 pm
All that the gamblers knew was written down.
They knew the girl. She spent her nights at their tables.
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:43 pm
Did the babylonians like to make movies?
From the tears, a new river will spring forth….
Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:48 pm
The boy told the Hindus that he didn’t need their help anymore.
This was in the small hours. The confrontation was brutal.
So who heeded his call? Who switched places?
People…the bloodied, swollen tongue. The boy’s fear runs deep.
They accuse him to be Bifrons. (Bifrons = demon /monster)
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:48 pm
The card of babylon was already played
if it sings, DirtyHand will bring down the Royal House on top of the Arawak Nation
the gods have handed down a pipe of peace, but a sacrifice will be made
Some elders of the game, not just of babylon walk in older circles
cowboys hear the singing, but the words are not understood
The gods and the babylonians are worried about the cowboys response
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:51 pm
The 46th spirit does not walk the same circle as the elders, this shall be his downfall
Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:53 pm
The Simain thinks that Babalú is clueless about who the Babylonians are.
The Simian thinks that is really funny.
The Simian will make an exception and answer: The gamblers knew he girl.
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:53 pm
The Tribe knows all of the players, even the elders of the inner circle
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:55 pm
DirtyHand walks with the elders
Babylon knows
Shango Says:June 26th, 2005 at 9:57 pm
The cowboys hear the singing but don’t understand the words
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:58 pm
DirtyHand knows the Babylonians that provided escort after the 2 shivas left
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:01 pm
Arawaks often go to play in small houses of Babylon with the offspring of the Elders
Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:03 pm
The alibi needs to be broken. The dogs have pouches on their feet. T
hey are checking the dirty waters in Noord.
The Babylonians know what the girl did earlier in the week.
Therein lies the motive.
The third act will played soon, but the boy is not Ajax.Ajax=Greek hero
He is too afraid to pull off such a feat. commit suicide as Ajax did
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:04 pm
Are the children of the elders there, or did they flee to Babylon?
DirtyHand knows, this is his Power
there will be 46 sacrifices
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:08 pm
The 46th will pay for the children of the Elders
Shango Says:June 26th, 2005 at 10:13 pm
DirtyHand walks in ALL houses
houses of the Arawaks, and houses of Rave
He can break the alibi
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:16 pm
Mary was not a Virgin
The Arawaks know
The cowboys know
DirtyHand can break the Alibi, he walks all circles
The Simian knows this
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:18 pm
If the Alibi is broken by DirtyHand the walls of Babylon will shake
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:23 pm
Old treaties between the Babylonians and the Arawaks
were maintained until the gods heard
Babylon now fears reprisals
the fires are lit
there will be 46 sacrifices
Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:24 pm
The boy is no Ajax. He is too afraid of the consequences.
He doesn’t want to be made a cafone. cafone=embarrasment to oneself or others
The third act needs to be played and the cowboys will be heroes.
This is all a “lugubrious game” to them. Painiting By Dahli
They were all at the party and all of them are turning their heads.
One of them needs to be pinched. Pinched=brought in and questioned
Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:26 pm
The Simian only speaks for himself.
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:30 pm
You always find forbidden desires in the small houses of Babylon
the girl knew this
Find DirtyHand! He too walked in this house of Babylon.
But not to satiate desire.
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:33 pm
Why did the girl owe money?
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:37 pm
DirtyHand is not a child of Babylon
He holds the real key
The Arawaks fear his exposure
The house of babylon would tumble down on the teepees of the Arawaks
DirtyHand knows the cowboys will leave lootless.
He can break the alibi
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:41 pm
even after a daughter gives birth to a grandchild,
the father of the new mother will still claim his daughter is a virgin
All who enter the damned corridors of the houses of Babylon
know the dangers that await
But the knowledge that they are forbidden is what makes them so pleasurable
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:45 pm
All who enter the damned corridors of the houses of Babylon
know the dangers that await
Shango Says:June 26th, 2005 at 10:48 pm
Coverups begin with elders and the founders of the houses of Babylon
Not the minions
DirtyHand knows this
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:50 pm
Are insects conned into entering Venus Flytraps?
Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:52 pm
The elder agreed to speak, but he he loves the boy too much.
The knows the passages of the palace too well. So the Babylonians must
make sure the check mate is iron-clad.
Something rotten from The Hague will have to make the third act play out.
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:53 pm
DirtyHand is the key
He walks with the elders
He walks in all houses
And he walked with the fallen elder
he was the hidden card that was played
now if he sings, babylon will fall on the arawak nation
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:56 pm
The Simian knows his Lordship did not have a key to open the door to eden
the answer lies with the Arawak Nation
Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:59 pm
The package is still due.
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 11:01 pm
If the door to eden is to be opened with that key, it will be tomorrow
or forever remained closed
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 11:05 pm
DirtyHand has worked for the elders for a long time
Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 11:09 pm
The whisperer is on the line. The Babylonians know what happened, but their hands are tied. They do not own the hammer nor the block.
The owner of the hammer and the block will never carry the package from the Hague. The trias works infallibly.
The party-go-ers need to be pinched, but no one wants to be the cafone. Including the boy. Too much is at stake and he is no Ajax. He is biting his tongue so he won’t be able to speak. So afraid he is.
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 11:12 pm
Even Flying Birds Sing
If the key does not arrive tomorrow, that door to Eden will remain closed
I must feed the messengers
Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 11:19 pm
The Simian asks that his words not be confused with anyone else’s.
Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 9:41 pm
One straight path
to the house of Rave,
while of gold bricks
the road is not paved,
answers mysterious lie within
magical letters which spell sin
XTC DNA
Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 9:44 pm
Babalu opened a window looking into babylon on his 12:31 A.M. Post
DirtyHand is alive
Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 9:46 pm
Shango said the key to the Hague did not exist
that door to eden remains closed
until the house with the path
But not of gold
is entered
Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 9:48 pm
Babalu knew who dirty hand was at half past 12
Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 9:51 pm
DirtyHand walks with the Babylons, the Arawaks and is consort to the fallen elder
The gods are talking
Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 9:57 pm
Outsiders brought into the Arawak tribe walk in many circles, nameless
Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 9:59 pm
DirtyHand can bring down all houses
DirtyHand is the key
His reach is long
He walks in all circles
consort to all, except for the gods
He knows the sacrifice is not responsible
Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:01 pm
Of whom is the young Babylonian afraid?
Why won’t he talk?
Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:05 pm
The dice throwers know
the maze of the rave
and the fly that entered the trap
DirtyHand is the key
He walks in many circles
Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:06 pm
Young Babylonians and Shivas do not build sand castles
Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:09 pm
Young Babylonians and Shivas do not build sand castles
DirtyHand knows this
Children of the Elders play in the maze,
but DirtyHand is afraid to rave
Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:29 pm
Babylonians and Shivas do not play with sandcastles
Follow the music!
Mary who was not a Virgin entered the maze to discover it’s secrets
The lamb is scared
The fires are lit
But now the lamb is a goat
Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:31 pm
Mary never heard the buoy toll
ask the men who play dice and “roll”
Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:32 pm
THE DRAX SCORES
drax Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:30 pm
Young Babylonians and Shivas do not build sand castles
Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:33 pm
Follow the music
Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:37 pm
The DiceMen must be questioned.
They to go to the Music and enter the same Maze
Mary who was not a virgin entered
The DiceMen ROLLED
Mary ROLLED
Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:41 pm
Mary ROLLED through the Maze
There is more than one house of music
the Lamb is a Scapegoat
Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:42 pm
The Lamb returned to the fold
Mary Rolled
And the lions played
Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:45 pm
Windows looking onto Babylon are being opened by the ThreadSurfers
Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:49 pm
The maze offers many hidden desires
deflowerings of forbidden fruits
DirtyHand knows.
So does the elder.
The lamb is a scapegoat.
Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:52 pm
DirtyHand has walked through the maze
He knows of the forbidden fruit
and the gardeners
Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:55 pm
Why do they leave the Maze open?
Why hasn’t an Arawak probed it’s fetid depths.
Tell the Cowboys!
The Arawaks are hiding the path to the Maze for the Babylonians.
Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:57 pm
All know of the music
beckoning lost souls
to enter the seven levels of inferno
who gave Mary the poison wine of Bacchus?
Enter the Maze.
Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 11:01 pm
The Drax asks a question for which he already provided an answer.
Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 11:04 pm
Babalu opened a window looking onto Babylon with his 12:30 A.M. post
Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 11:13 pm

DirtyHand does not play with the lions
but he has entered the maze
the lamb is a scapegoat
DirtyHand knows
So does the Elder
Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 11:23 pm
Follow the music
into the maze
the lions know they are being stalked
the gamblers and other Rollers talk
tell the cowboys!

Shango Says:June 27th, 2005 at 11:26 pm
The Arawaks will not enter the maze unless the cowboys refuse the peace pipe
Follow the music,
the lions are not tame
DirtyHand knows,
so does the elder
Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 11:29 pm
Some windows overlooking Babylon have been opened
The cowboys need to find the right path,
but they can’t hear the music.
The Arawaks know
Stupid Cowboys with Arawak Guides
Cowboys don’t read smoke signals,
they must enter the maze!
Shango needs to feed the messengers. The Gods are talking.
Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 11:43 pm
Mary rolled into the maze
to play with lions
but it was not a game
the lamb ran bleating
afraid to walk through the maze
why don’t the arawaks ambush the lions?
The cowboys don’t know.
DirtyHand knows, but is afraid of the Arawak Nation
The gods are talking
Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 11:48 pm
The Simian was incorrect about the package from the Hague
I told the Simian, but the Simian would not listen
The simian is not a simian, but an austrolopithecus

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 11:52 pm
Threadsurfers on other beaches are oblivious to the Maze and the lions
without exposure, the arawaks will deceive the cowboys
they will leave without loot
Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 11:56 pm
Shango is the god of justice
alive in many forms
he who speaks through Oxum through lightning
and himself through thunder
father of the violent dance
diviner of secrets of the seven levels of inferno
bound to truth even as it burns
so that justice may be brought.
Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 11:59 pm
Only those who cRave music go into the Maze
Shango Says: June 28th, 2005 at 12:04 am
The gods of Babylon have orchested the refrain for the Arawak choir
the music which holds the answers lies within the maze
the cowboys will smile sweetly as the chorus sings
backs turned to the maze
never hearing a single note
from the poison song
Shango Says: June 28th, 2005 at 12:11 am
All the Arawaks know the Maze which plays the poison songs
Shango Says: June 28th, 2005 at 12:14 am
How those innocent young flies enter the trap with honey laden notes
Shango Says: June 28th, 2005 at 12:19 am
Shango must leave to feed the messengers
The gods are talking
Shango Says: June 28th, 2005 at 12:23 am
Follow the notes
to the poison house
where the children of the babylonians
and the arawak nation
meet, under cover of delusion.
In the maze
the lions which play
shall be found.
The gamblers also took note.
Tell the cowboys!
Shango Says: June 28th, 2005 at 12:28 am
Not all lions leave their den
Shango Says: June 28th, 2005 at 12:34 am
That which is hidden shan’t be found in the light
Shango Says: June 28th, 2005 at 12:37 am
Yliana and Subdude have both opened windows which look into the heart of babylon
do not stray from your paths
you hold the key in hand

Shango Says: June 28th, 2005 at 12:39 am
The threadsurfers are opening the door to babylon
be careful of the lions
DirtyHand does not have them tamed
but he can enter the den
tell the cowboys
Shango Says: June 28th, 2005 at 1:11 am
See Subdude / Iliana 12:34
Shango Says: June 28th, 2005 at 1:32 am
For the doubters: You do not need to see a grain of sand in your eye to know it is there
Simian Says: June 28th, 2005 at 1:43 am
The Simian has a handicap of 12.
Simian Says: June 28th, 2005 at 1:52 am
The Simian says that The Simian only reports developments ahead of time. The Simian thinks was is going on is shameless. Playing with feelings.
Th Simian’s umbilical is buried close to the heart of the island. NOBODY EVER try to put us down. The Simian hates what he has been reading.
All things must pass.
Shango Says: June 28th, 2005 at 1:55 am
Find the music
Only David left the den alive

Shango Says: June 28th, 2005 at 2:27 am
Crypticism leads to tributaries of thought which would not usually leave the MainStream

Shango Says: June 28th, 2005 at 2:29 am
Babylon is Falling
The Arawak teepees will be crushed
will they sacrifice the Lamb or the Lion
to make the cowboys smile
Shango Says: June 28th, 2005 at 2:39 am
The arawaks must hunt the lions
in the place of darkness
house of secrets

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# Shango Says:
June 28th, 2005 at 2:59 am

The Simian Doppleganger is upset because the arawak nation is hiding the truth from the cowboys

DirtyHand knows

Simian knows

The Simian stated for 2 days, the key would come from the hague the next day

Shango said no two times

Is Simian a DirtyHand too

Has the Simian played with the lions

in the houses of ill-repute and poison notes

where the innocent flies are lured?

Has the Simian, primate that he is, fed with the other animals?

Back ye fetid mongrel, as the 46th are you; delegate of the 7th level of inferno,

not birthed, but spewed from the dark chasm of a nightmare!
# Shango Says:
June 30th, 2005 at 1:49 am

All of Shango’s information comes from the higher power, Olorum

Shango has not danced with the lions, nor Arawaks,and does not keep their company

Eyes of god may look from afar with great acuity.

The resolution to find Mary lies with the Arawak Nation

Dirty Hand has bound the Arawak Nation with Babylonian Rope

The Lamb and the two Shivas whisper in the dark,

while the lions pace silently in the bush.

Dirty Hand is the link!

The lamb, the shivas, the elder whispering, exiting like theives in the night, clothed with invisible armor

If Dirty Hand falls, so does Babylon, but too, the Arawak Nation shall suffer.

Threadsurfers listen!

The lamb shall run anew in virgin fields, cropping sweet grass which should remain untouched.

The Lamb has sins, but the lions have sharper teeth.

A new key must be found to open unknown doors.

The first concern of the Arawak nation is wampum.

But unseen tides pull babylonian seas through Arawak Moats, bittering the waters.

DirtyHand and the Lions must see the light of Arawak Day, or forever walk in plentiful fields.

The dead shall eternally sleep if a clamour is not made.

Lamb and the Elder are stepping stones into the fetid pool of deception.

The rule of the Arawak King is the Final word.

DirtyHand has fouled the air for all nearby, but the Arawak Nation will claim Babylonian Authority prevents them from hunting Lions, and DirtyHand.

But the Arawak king controls destiny of all. The Arawak king has DirtyHands and DirtyFeet. If he is to reign anew, he cannot be soiled more.

The babylonians have ruled the Arawak Nation through deception and stealth, and their charges, the Arawaks, speak now with the same forked tongue, on behalf of their king.

The gift the cowboys ask of the king of the Arawak Nation is a mere trifle.

All ye who sing in the cyber-chorus lower your voices not!

It has been proven that the lamb, the shivas, and the elders are not the breach in Arawak Armour!

Let us hunt Lions, The King, and Dirty Hand.

The lions pace silently in the bush, while the king seeks pleasures with his concubines.

Threadsurfers! What is sought is not hidden.

The Lamb and the elder are not the keystone in the Arch of Corruption.

Seek ye DirtyHand and the Fetid Arawak King who wishes to blame the babylonians for the behaviour of lowly minions.

If the head of the beast is in plain view it is folly to attack protected flanks.

Threadsurfers, DirtyHand is more vulnerable than the Arawak King and your lances should point in his direction.

He is the weak link, if he tumbles, all fall with him….. The lamb, the shivas, the elder

Shango looks from afar but speaks with truth. He does not converse with the Simian, or any other worldly sources, and attempts to bring direction to speculation

I must feed the messengers

The gods are talking
# Shango Says:
June 30th, 2005 at 2:11 am

All Secrets are hidden in Plain View
# Shango Says:
June 30th, 2005 at 2:13 am

The Arawaks make the cowboys dance so the smoke signals are lost in the wind

How can one hunt for lions without a local guide?

How can one hunt for lions with fishing gear?

DirtyHand still commands Arawak war parties, confusing outlanders…

Time is the enemy of the cowboys

and friend to the Arawaks, the Babylonians, and the hunted Jungle beasts
# Shango Says:
June 30th, 2005 at 2:26 am

In your senseless rage you wave your sword recklessly

as such you would sever the limb even of a defender of the faith

If a bird whispers an evil secret, the listener is not the sinner!

Not all messages come from a terrestrial origin.

Believe.

When olorum speaks, lesser gods listen but do not ask how it is they hear



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« Reply #1045 on: January 23, 2008, 12:16:57 PM »

I know those posts forward and backward.  I want your comments as to how you came to the conclusion that Simian was fake and in what manner is he/she fake?  Fake as in knew nothing?  Fake as in was the same person as Shango?  Fake as in how? 

They certainly did not like each other, but then again neither did some of the Aruban posters like Shango and thought he was a fake too.  Regardless, both mysterious messengers thought Joran was not the guilty party in Natalee's demise.
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« Reply #1046 on: January 23, 2008, 12:37:30 PM »

Thanks jackb...saved me a heap of time!

 

I wonder what you mean too Jackb. TIA
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« Reply #1047 on: January 23, 2008, 12:55:53 PM »

Good day to all,

Do anyone have the SHANGO riddle in an unedited form, I will like to compare it to Simian.

SIMIAN is saying that SHANGO is Fake and not to Trust what he is saying.





Shango said Simian is a fake.  Simian is a fake.  Shango is real and called Simian who he is.    Jack B.

Please elaborate on this for me...I would like to know what brought you to that conclusion?  By fake do you mean a poster that was trying to get attention? Someone that didn't know anything about what was happening?  Someone that was just trying to keep the truth hidden?  I am confused. TIA

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 11:48 pm
The Simian was incorrect about the package from the Hague
I told the Simian, but the Simian would not listen
The simian is not a simian, but an austrolopithecus

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« Reply #1048 on: January 23, 2008, 01:00:48 PM »

Still confused. Sorry...patience with me...I am slow some days.
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« Reply #1049 on: January 23, 2008, 01:01:08 PM »

Good day to all,

Do anyone have the SHANGO riddle in an unedited form, I will like to compare it to Simian.

SIMIAN is saying that SHANGO is Fake and not to Trust what he is saying.



Shango said Simian is a fake.  Simian is a fake.  Shango is real and called Simian who he is.    Jack B.
Has the Simian, primate that he is, fed with the other animals?

Back ye fetid mongrel, as the 46th are you; delegate of the 7th level of inferno,

not birthed, but spewed from the dark chasm of a nightmare!
# Shango Says:
June 30th, 2005 at 1:49 am

All of Shango’s information comes from the higher power, Olorum

Shango has not danced with the lions, nor Arawaks,and does not keep their company

Eyes of god may look from afar with great acuity.

The resolution to find Mary lies with the Arawak Nation

Dirty Hand has bound the Arawak Nation with Babylonian Rope

The Lamb and the two Shivas whisper in the dark,

while the lions pace silently in the bush.

Dirty Hand is the link!   Jack B



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« Reply #1050 on: January 23, 2008, 01:07:23 PM »

Good day to all,

Do anyone have the SHANGO riddle in an unedited form, I will like to compare it to Simian.

SIMIAN is saying that SHANGO is Fake and not to Trust what he is saying.





Shango said Simian is a fake.  Simian is a fake.  Shango is real and called Simian who he is.    Jack B.

Please elaborate on this for me...I would like to know what brought you to that conclusion?  By fake do you mean a poster that was trying to get attention? Someone that didn't know anything about what was happening?  Someone that was just trying to keep the truth hidden?  I am confused. TIA


The Simian says that The Simian only reports developments ahead of time. The Simian thinks was is going on is shameless. Playing with feelings.
Th Simian’s umbilical is buried close to the heart of the island. NOBODY EVER try to put us down. The Simian hates what he has been reading.
All things must pass.  jack b

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« Reply #1051 on: January 23, 2008, 01:12:40 PM »

Good day to all,

Do anyone have the SHANGO riddle in an unedited form, I will like to compare it to Simian.

SIMIAN is saying that SHANGO is Fake and not to Trust what he is saying.





Shango said Simian is a fake.  Simian is a fake.  Shango is real and called Simian who he is.    Jack B.

Please elaborate on this for me...I would like to know what brought you to that conclusion?  By fake do you mean a poster that was trying to get attention? Someone that didn't know anything about what was happening?  Someone that was just trying to keep the truth hidden?  I am confused. TIA


The Simian says that The Simian only reports developments ahead of time. The Simian thinks was is going on is shameless. Playing with feelings.
Th Simian’s umbilical is buried close to the heart of the island. NOBODY EVER try to put us down. The Simian hates what he has been reading.
All things must pass.  jack b



Simian is female. 
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« Reply #1052 on: January 23, 2008, 01:29:39 PM »

Jackb...and GVC's house was still for sale as of 12/17/2007. I did a little checking a couple of weeks ago and found where Wilhelm von Cromvoit was 'interragated' early on. Also saw it said that Dompig was protecting GVC as he was a friend of Michael Dompig's.

Steve Croes is a friend of G. Cromvoit.
Koen and G. Cromvoit worked at Red Sail together
Koen also worked on a "pirate ship" for tourists.
So:  Dompig knew Cromvoit and Steve Croes who knows Koen who knows Joran
KOEN and JORAN are best friends. 
JORAN and GUIDO are best of friends and it stands to reason they ALL know each other and are involved and/or knowledgable of the crime.  Koen's parents were supposed to have been away that weekend and when the cats away....etc. 

How could they all have known they would miss work and/or school?  Guido, Koen and Joran it was posted (I do not know, of course) had scratches on their faces.  I think G. Cromvoit did the cleanup for Palus (and possibly his sister since VanderStratten was her boss and VdS was PvS was his best friend.)  G Cromvoit had his sister policewoman in his corner and she had even more motive to keep mum.  The Cromvoits and Vanderstratten and Palus are most likely the cause of her final death to get rid of evidence.  Their justification would go something like.....she is going to pass anyway, so why get everyone in trouble because of this?  The Cromvoits had pistols and knowledgable of them.  The father Cromvoit notified and made sure security videos never helped in any way.  Everyone who participated had to keep quiet because they were either involved in pre death crimes, death crimes and/or getting rid of the evidence.   Most likely S. Croes was guilty of post death crimes and help in disposal.
 Jack B

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« Reply #1053 on: January 23, 2008, 01:45:39 PM »

Hi Memphis...long time no see.
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« Reply #1054 on: January 23, 2008, 01:52:56 PM »

Jackb...and GVC's house was still for sale as of 12/17/2007. I did a little checking a couple of weeks ago and found where Wilhelm von Cromvoit was 'interragated' early on. Also saw it said that Dompig was protecting GVC as he was a friend of Michael Dompig's.

Steve Croes is a friend of G. Cromvoit. Yes, we have photo to prove that.
Koen and G. Cromvoit worked at Red Sail together What is Red Sail?  Restaurant?  What?
Koen also worked on a "pirate ship" for tourists. Never heard this one before, where is this?
So:  Dompig knew Cromvoit and Steve Croes who knows Koen who knows Joran
KOEN and JORAN are best friends. 
JORAN and GUIDO are best of friends and it stands to reason they ALL know each other and are involved and/or knowledgable of the crime.  Koen's parents were supposed to have been away that weekend and when the cats away....etc. Still waiting for confirmation that parents were gone. So you are saying Dompig was involved in this other than looking the other way on occasion?

How could they all have known they would miss work and/or school?  Guido, Koen and Joran it was posted (I do not know, of course) had scratches on their faces. I thought we had established that Guido did not have any scratches on his face?

 I think G. Cromvoit did the cleanup for Palus (and possibly his sister since VanderStratten was her boss and VdS was PvS was his best friend.)  G Cromvoit had his sister policewoman in his corner and she had even more motive to keep mum.  The Cromvoits and Vanderstratten and Palus are most likely the cause of her final death to get rid of evidence.  Their justification would go something like.....she is going to pass anyway, so why get everyone in trouble because of this?  The Cromvoits had pistols and knowledgable of them.  The father Cromvoit notified and made sure security videos never helped in any way.  Everyone who participated had to keep quiet because they were either involved in pre death crimes, death crimes and/or getting rid of the evidence.   Most likely S. Croes was guilty of post death crimes and help in disposal.
 Jack B




Interesting  ideas there...I see you have spent time thinking this out...please continue.
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« Reply #1055 on: January 23, 2008, 02:13:13 PM »

I found two...didn't have time to check all the way to see if it is the same or two different ones. watersports, scuba etc....

http://www.aruba-redsail.com/

http://www.redsailaruba.com/ar_index.html



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« Reply #1056 on: January 23, 2008, 02:47:17 PM »

According to the date of ther posting, it seems that Shango is asking Simian and Simian reply, but at the same time Simian is getting mad at Shango because he is also twisting the message.

Simian has an inside in the investigation which is a big capo.
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« Reply #1057 on: January 23, 2008, 03:11:09 PM »

I found two...didn't have time to check all the way to see if it is the same or two different ones. watersports, scuba etc....

http://www.aruba-redsail.com/

http://www.redsailaruba.com/ar_index.html





Klaas has a photo of Joran with a female prone on a catamaran ....iirc...RedSail...
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« Reply #1058 on: January 23, 2008, 03:46:33 PM »

No switch flipped here...LOL and I went back twice and reopened the link...so COLUMBO, please tell who you think is DirtyHand!!!


(put all those links together so that I wouldn't have to run all over the thread and look what happened!)  Rolling Eyes


find #1006 in this thread........elder had one or two cards up his sleeve......

one was tossed from the table...crushed under Sumerian feet

=the hidden card that was played (by PVDS)
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« Reply #1059 on: January 23, 2008, 04:06:32 PM »

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:09 pm
Simian, who else plays in the orchestra? A Babylonian….
Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:10 pm
The last hope rests on the shoulders of the cowboys. Ten days, two down, eight to go.
The elder knows the passages in the palace too well. The Babylonians are afraid they might not be able to stop him.
Don’t shake the wire, ‘cause the bird will fy away.

CapsLoc Trans:
Shango is asking Simian: who else is in the group who orchestrated this mess, Simian Reply: The last hope rest on the shoulders of the Texas water search. - finding the body
Ten day= 10 are in the band.
Two down= 2 in jail
Eight to go.

Paul knows the law  too well. The investigators are afraid that they might not be able to stop him
Don’t shake the wire, cause the bird will fly away. = don’t do any thing yet, we need to get this bird before he fly away= one will flew the kukusnest to the USA


Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:10 pm
Simian, older PVDS had one ot two cards up his sleeve. They have been played, and lost. Will one of the cards sing?

CapsLoc Trans:
Paul vd S had 2 person against him and are in jail, Which one will go against him and start Talking.


Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:14 pm
Simian, The Sumerians do not like the Babylonian intrusion.
The Babylonian card may be tossed from the table and crushed under Sumerian feet (or feat)….

CapsLoc Trans:
The Dutch OM Sumerians who control the Government of Aruba did not want to that the Aruban Investigators start bringing accusation about their fellow colleague The accusation that Paul’s was involved was tossed out from the table and crush under the higher Dutch Law Bureaucracy.


Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:18 pm
Shock means well. He understands the Babylonians, but they don’t hold the hammer nor the block.
The alibi needs to be broken. The party-go-ers need to be pressured. They have seen from the corners of their eyes. The house was dusted.

CapsLoc Trans:
The Aruba Top Investigator means well, He understands the Aruba Investigators but they can keep the Judge in Jail.
The Alibi Judge alibi need to be broken, the pressure must be put on who was there because they have seen what was going on. Pauls get out and everything was cleaned up.


Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:18 pm
Simian, why was the key from the Babylons Palace not used to open the Sumerians Door ?
They have become famished and Eden is beckoning….

CapsLoc Trans:
Why was the Aruba Law Enforcement with the Information they have not been able to bring the Judge to the Prosecutor?
They do not have the power and Mother Holland is calling.
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