SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #1

[COLOMBO]

I need a name for an USA CASINO MOB BOS war planner Planner that is connected or have links to the FBI or DEA

No kiddnaper because no kidnap,
 
Babalú Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:26 pm
The kidnapper is not Aruban
Van Rijn can not be pressured
The FBI would close in on the whole operation
The Arubans are prepared to give somebody as a token culprit
They will not sacrifice Steve Croes

The head of the visibility team

[casa]

I need a name for an USA CASINO MOB BOS war planner Planner that is connected or have links to the FBI or DEA

No kiddnaper because no kidnap,
 
Babalú Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:26 pm
The kidnapper is not Aruban
Van Rijn can not be pressured
The FBI would close in on the whole operation
The Arubans are prepared to give somebody as a token culprit
They will not sacrifice Steve Croes

So you like others are blaming this on someone from the USA and absolving anyone from Aruba?  Where have we heard this before?  I admit this is a different approach though!

[Lala'sMom]

I am still confused...you are saying that Paulus took Natalee because he needed a bargaining chip to protect Joran from a gambling debt? And that Joran is innocent in all this and it's all Paulus' fault, but Paulus had control over the LAW and nothing can be done? 

That Beth was told it was over a gambling debt and that the USA is protecting Aruba because it is all due to the mob in the USA.  That Lorenzo is the 5th suspect and also Dirty Hand?  That he is also Paulus' son and he is the one that took Natalee or the party that Joran carried her to was at his house?  How can you have Joran delivering her to a party and then say Paulus needed Natalee to pay a debt to protect Joran?  I must be confused...that sounds contradictory. 

[COLOMBO]

CAPS:

Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 3:05 pm
Dutch the west coast is busy…however, that road between the bushes is very hidden. Have taken girls there myself, but in cars. If you are on foot it would be so easy to hide in the mangroves. The fishermen’s huts. There are no streetlights there.

How come the “Black Team” was not aware is beyond me. They are all over in that area. At least they used to be.

Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 3:12 pm
The Black Team is a special force in Aruba that patrols amongst others beaches. Fully armed to the teeth, in black, with black hoods, with black SUV’s and ATV’s.

[COLOMBO]

I am still confused...you are saying that Paulus took Natalee because he needed a bargaining chip to protect Joran from a gambling debt? And that Joran is innocent in all this and it's all Paulus' fault, but Paulus had control over the LAW and nothing can be done? 

That Beth was told it was over a gambling debt and that the USA is protecting Aruba because it is all due to the mob in the USA.  That Lorenzo is the 5th suspect and also Dirty Hand?  That he is also Paulus' son and he is the one that took Natalee or the party that Joran carried her to was at his house?  How can you have Joran delivering her to a party and then say Paulus needed Natalee to pay a debt to protect Joran?  I must be confused...that sounds contradictory. 

Joran was the one who only played in free poker tournaments   

[Lala'sMom]

Babalu is making fun of Shango here...nothing in this post at all...it's just Babalu teasing Shango because he is all over the place with his riddles...hmmm.

#  Shango on June 26th, 2005 9:19 pm

DirtyHand is not an Arawak

The singing card can not be played

The cowboys would circle the wagons

The arawaks are preparing the sacrifice

light the fires

the gods are talking
# Shango on June 26th, 2005 9:21 pm

The sacrificial offering will not be scapegoat
# Babalú on June 26th, 2005 9:25 pm

Shangoooooooo
# Babalú on June 26th, 2005 9:26 pm

The kidnapper is not Aruban

Van Rijn can not be pressured

The FBI would close in on the whole operation

The Arubans are prepared to give somebody as a token culprit

They will not sacrifice Paul

[yapperz1]

I can buy Lorenzo being the 5th suspect BUT

1. Never heard that Lorenzo worked in a casino
2. Lorenzo used to be a DJ per some of the chatter early on
3. Did hear Lorenzo was born in The Netherlands & came to Aruba as a young boy.
(I am going from memory only on 2 & 3)

I am not so sure Paulus went with Anita & the 2 younger boys. Have heard he did & then he didn't.
I do believe Simian had inside info from ALE
I think Shockthemonkey may have been ALE

The only "mob boss" that jumps in my head is Posner

[Lala'sMom]

This is the rest of the post...

#  Simian on June 26th, 2005 9:27 pm

The elder had to come clean. He knows what damaged he had caused. The Simian said to not shake the wire, ’cause the bird would fly away.

The Simian would never pose. Go back and read what the Simian wrote. The Babylonians knows what happened, but they are up in arms. The gamblers knew the girl.
# Babalú on June 26th, 2005 9:27 pm

Correction

They will not sacrifice Steve Croes
# Compananzi on June 26th, 2005 9:27 pm

FYI, there appears a lot of concern for the release of Paulus, a previous comment of Jug Twit to have Anita arrested barely raised an eyebrow. MB student claim that the MSM always seem to take their statement out of context. Okay so now we have a situation where Paulus was brought in to clarify previous statement. Perhaps the Police saw the full unedited version of the taped interview? See where I am heading? Paulus could have elaborated on something but the taped version never came out or what ever you know? Well that or the Police is doing a tactical release of the suspect. There I was able to appease both camps.
# Shango on June 26th, 2005 9:30 pm

Who knows what song the elder will sing

[Lala'sMom]

I can buy Lorenzo being the 5th suspect BUT

1. Never heard that Lorenzo worked in a casino
2. Lorenzo used to be a DJ per some of the chatter early on
3. Did hear Lorenzo was born in The Netherlands & came to Aruba as a young boy.
(I am going from memory only on 2 & 3)

I am not so sure Paulus went with Anita & the 2 younger boys. Have heard he did & then he didn't.
I do believe Simian had inside info from ALE
I think Shockthemonkey may have been ALE

The only "mob boss" that jumps in my head is Posner

But I had no idea that Shock was KJ, did you?  Isn't that what Caps is saying? He never answers me...so I will ask you.

[COLOMBO]

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:43 pm
The fallen judge agreed to sing because he can hum any tune
He needs to sing for his son, or see the end of his babylonian offspring

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:49 pm
Elder needs to sing to preserve his lineage
To agree to remain silent is to agree not to hum any tune

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:22 pm
Because the fallen judge agreed, he can sing any song he wants
A poisonous siren in the halls of babylon
He will sing to keep doors open (hidden whispers, plans for the future-OMERTA), much to the cowboys distress

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:30 pm
Who knows what song the elder will sing (????? pick one.......)
 

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:31 pm
The shivas knew the girl          (???)
the arawaks new the girl         (???....or....)
and the babylonians still know the girl     (???)

[Lala'sMom]

One more little detail...if Paulus was there to see his sons get on the bus to school each day how could he have been in Holland?  That has always confused me.

I am glad we have this solved now...I can go back to my normal life.  Wonder how Merian Ernest fits in all this? 

What really gets me is we still don't know who Shango or Simian was?  Crap!!

[klaasend]

I can buy Lorenzo being the 5th suspect BUT

1. Never heard that Lorenzo worked in a casino
2. Lorenzo used to be a DJ per some of the chatter early on
3. Did hear Lorenzo was born in The Netherlands & came to Aruba as a young boy.
(I am going from memory only on 2 & 3)

I am not so sure Paulus went with Anita & the 2 younger boys. Have heard he did & then he didn't.
I do believe Simian had inside info from ALE
I think Shockthemonkey may have been ALE

The only "mob boss" that jumps in my head is Posner

But I had no idea that Shock was KJ, did you?  Isn't that what Caps is saying? He never answers me...so I will ask you.

ShocktheMonkey was posting from around the same location as Shango    ShocktheMonkey started posting on the front page of SM on June 16th with the nickname Vanessa.  Vanessa changed her nickname to ShocktheMonkey on June 25th.  I do not believe it's possible then that ShocktheMonkey was KJ.

[CapsLockWizard]

LALA IT STARTING TO TAKE FORM

THE CODES ARE SAVED

CHECK THIS

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:22 pm
The babylonians knew it was dangerous to trade among the arawaks
The way is clouded for JORAN
Rules have changed, so has the maze
the way is lost for the pioneers who went to live among the indians
The flames are growing
A sacrifice will be made to spare the police; -->WHICH ONE??
to spare the teepees
Singing cards have lost their power
Arawaks worried about being caught with dirty hand
His lordship will bestow the title soon….
They will save the teepees and the DUTCH COURT,
but first
JORAN V/D SLOOT

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:30 pm
We need a sacrifice to appease the Arawaks and the FBI
Teepees already swaying in strong DUTCH BORN wind
House of Babylon does not want a sacrifice
They do not care about CASINO MOB Teepees
only wrath of HOLLOWAY’S

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:32 pm
JORAN V/D SLOOT is the correct food to appease the gods, arawaks, and HOLLOWAY’S
but the foundations of the house of THE SLOOTS will shake
even harder if CASINO MOB Dirty Hand is revealed


But babylonians live in teepees too
If the house of THE SLOOTS is to remain erect,
it must protect the babylonians who have
lived in teepees, among the arawaks, for a long time.
THE SLOOTS will agree to a sacrifice of newer
teepee dwellers to prevent the story of dirtyhand being made public
Dirtyhand scares arawaks too
JORAN will be the correct sacrifice to appease the gods and HOLLOWAY’S
HOLLOWAY’S will leave without loot

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:43 pm
Meetings with his lordship will reveal several mysteries
JORAN also knows the fires have been lit

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:48 pm
The simplicity of Occams Razor is often outweighed by
the complexity of maintaining factors in an elemental state

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:50 pm
The pain the sacrificial beast will feel depends on how
quickly the HOLLOWAY’S return to the fort.

ConcernedUK Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:51 pm
Does Shango liaise with Simian?



WHO IS THE POLICE  (VAN STRAATEN)?

[COLOMBO]

spare the police?

why did the girl owe money?

Jacobs (to Dave): "How much money do you have?"

[CapsLockWizard]

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:58 pm
Arawaks want to make HOLLOWAY’S happy,
SLOOTS want to maintain integrity of Great House

Gods of the HOLLOWAY’S know there was a game in the great house,
and so DirtyHand was discovered

But JORAN will be offered before dirty hand sings
He will return to THE SLOOTS, broken but anonymous

[CapsLockWizard]

spare the police?

why did the girl owe money?

Jacobs (to Dave): "How much money do you have?"

what do you mean?

[COLOMBO]

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:01 pm
Arawaks often go to play in small houses of Babylon with the offspring of the Elders

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:22 pm
A sacrifice will be made to spare the police

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:33 pm
Why did the girl owe money?

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 11:43 pm
Mary rolled into the maze
to play with lions
but it was not a game
the lamb ran bleating
afraid to walk through the maze

[texasmom]

CapsLockWizard;
I am intrigued by your decoding of the riddle(s).  I am certainly not as seasoned in the deciphering as some here and would never claim to be.  If I understand your interpretation correctly PVDS incurred a gambling debt that he could not pay, he had 10 days to settle the debt and JVDS was kept in Aruba while the family went to Holland to try to get the money.  When PVDS returned without the money, in order to free JVDS, they planned to trade Natalee to settle the debt.  Do you think that this was so she could be used to earn the money back for the mob such as in prostitution?  Or do you think that the "party" with her as the party favor for that night only would have settled the debt?  I guess what I really want to know is if you think her death was intentional or if "something bad happened" and the death was not planned.  If you don't think the death was intentional what do you think they would have done with her? And finally, what do you think would have happened if they had not used Natalee to settle the debt?

[texasmom]

CapsLockWizard,
I failed to say thank you in advance for answering any or all of my questions.

[Tylergal]

Question :

Who came from Holland. was it he Mom of the Father slot.

Question : Who is the cowgirl that spread rummors to confuse the game?

almost done...

A small peek  summary:

MOB IN CASINO, PAPA SLOOT LOOSE AT THE GAME (BIG TIME). HE COULD NOT PAY THE BLUFF. THE SON WAS GOING TO BE SACRIFIED. HE HAD 10 DAY's TO COME UP WITH THE MONEY. HE WENT TO GET MONEY FROM HOLLAND BUT CAME EMPTY HAND. BUT ALSO CAME WITH A NEW PLAN.   USA MOB HoldS HIS SON   & HE WILL HOLDS SOMEONE FROM THE USA THAT IS IN THE HOTEL AS BARGAINING CHIP.

ALL WHILE THIS WAS GOING ON, USA GIRL MOM DID NOT ANSWER THE CALLS..SHE WAS NOT AT HOME. AND TIME WAS RUNNING OUT.

CASINO OWNER BREAK THE CHECKMATE AND THE MOB GOT PAID...THIS ACCTION LEAVE THE JUDGE AS A KIDNAPPER. AND THIS WILL LOOK BAD FOR ARUBA NATION.

SO HEN CAME TO ARUBA SHE KNEW ABOUT THE CALLS OF THE POSSIBLE KIDNAPPED.

SHE CAME AND WANT HER DAUGHTER AND HERE THIS FOR THE WORSE...


Back to my cryptology work.....

Caps...we were told that the mother, father and two younger brothers were in The Netherlands. The PV's state that Paulus had to go take care of the youngest son. I don't even know anymore if the Mom went there.

The cowgirl...do you mean Julia Renfro...editor I think Aruba Today or something like that.

And I thought one of my theories was 'out there'! Would like to know how you came to these conclusions when you're done. Thanks Caps!

Lala's....'only David left the den alive'

Absalom, Absalom.