SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #1

[Lala'sMom]

A little more from this time frame. 


#  pktbk on June 22nd, 2005 4:25 pm

simian…shut down?

jb…the chaperones had their passports.


# Trisher on June 22nd, 2005 4:25 pm

Simian - “The news in Aruba has reported that Joran has shut down. ” What does that mean?


# ladyJA on June 22nd, 2005 4:25 pm

Simian what does that mean??


# crs on June 22nd, 2005 4:27 pm

Stopped talking.


# Simian on June 22nd, 2005 4:27 pm

He has gone in a sort of downer mood. Is not saying anything anymore.


# crs on June 22nd, 2005 4:28 pm

Sim - are you going telling us your info or not from earlier?


# VANESSA on June 22nd, 2005 4:28 pm

Shut down as in not talking anymore….possibly about to crack.


# MOMfromMO on June 22nd, 2005 4:29 pm

Yeah, Daddy VDS prolly jumped his son’s ass again… “I TOLD YOU TO SHUT UP, BOY!!!”


# crs on June 22nd, 2005 4:29 pm

Sim - Right now we hear Joran has changed his story again - what do your hear?


# ladyJA on June 22nd, 2005 4:29 pm

JON—-Ok I kinda figured something like that and I know you have heard several stories from allot ppl who were on the trip that is if you were’nt, but did anyone say y they didnt stop her? Or is it that no one saw her go in the car period?

[MumInOhio]

Keep talking Mum...I am listening with both ears this time. LOL

Me too...darn phone ...so what do you think Simian meant by 'too difficult to post here'?

Can only be a few things...
Taken off the island
Held in a crackhouse or house
something 'bad' happened
kidnapped...per Caps
Any more

[Buckeye]

Keep talking Mum...I am listening with both ears this time. LOL

Me too...darn phone ...so what do you think Simian meant by 'too difficult to post here'?

Can only be a few things...
Taken off the island
Held in a crackhouse or house
something 'bad' happened
kidnapped...per Caps
Any more

cremated ......but I'm not really here........

[Lala'sMom]

These posts lead right up to one of the most confusing and important people in all this...the 5th suspect...

#  crs on June 22nd, 2005 4:30 pm

Vanessa - either that or he has told all he knows.


# Simian on June 22nd, 2005 4:31 pm

I tried to, but I got a message saying that my post would bo placed in through the moderator. I tried again and got the same message. Maybe I am not allowed to say what I know.


# Jake on June 22nd, 2005 4:32 pm

You mean he has been talking for the past 3 weeks, and NOW he decides to shut up? What a jerk. Obviously since Nat has not been found, he hasn’t given much concrete info to begin with. Why shut up now Joran. I mean have you even given authorities a clue on where Nat might be? Why stop talking now.

give me a break!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



#  Trisher on June 22nd, 2005 4:33 pm

Sim - say it in another language and we’ll translate.


# Stefe McHearthy on June 22nd, 2005 4:34 pm

@ MOFOfromMO
Don’t you have any job or obligation to fulfill?

Or are you the one sponsored by Bin Laden….


# Checkme on June 22nd, 2005 4:36 pm

We have to know that “Montana” (house where Joran and family lives) is really part of “Noord”. I reported yesterday that there was something going on. It was the parents finally meeting each other. Aruba is working.

crs on June 22nd, 2005 4:37 pm

Checkme - any new tidbits you can provide today? Do you still think what we talked about yesterday to be true?


#  pktbk on June 22nd, 2005 4:41 pm

jake….that is true. even if her parents have to leave. they need to be on tv or newspapers everyday to keep this going.

checkme—you were spot on yesterday.


# ladyJA on June 22nd, 2005 4:42 pm

Country Moon do u believe she was drugged also?


#  Checkme on June 22nd, 2005 4:43 pm

June 16, 2005 08:26 AM on RiehlWorldView:

“I have always loved Aruba for it’s multi cultural society. Even to see how under extreme stress we can still see each others humanity gives me hope. On this island the distances are very short so you cannot remain distant and judge coldly. “
# ladyJA on June 22nd, 2005 4:43 pm

Is Simian gone??


#  pktbk on June 22nd, 2005 4:44 pm

do you think it odd that not only do we mainly hear about joran, not the brothers. but also that steve croes is a friend of the brothers, not so much joran. i think there is something going on in regards to the brothers. there is no spotlight on them right now.
# Simian on June 22nd, 2005 4:45 pm

I hope they find her. The gov’t and the private sector should give the whole island the day off to go wave her goodbye at the Airport.
# Jake on June 22nd, 2005 4:46 pm

Do you guys believe that Simien tried to send us a message and got placed in a “moderator”????? Do you think he’s for real? Or are his walls padded? Or maybe he needs a nap?


#  ladyJA on June 22nd, 2005 4:46 pm

pktbk I totally agree, b/c they were the first ones sent to the big Prison not Joran, so y him and not them.
# Checkme on June 22nd, 2005 4:47 pm

You got it pktbk.

CRS, all still stands dude.
# CountryMoon on June 22nd, 2005 4:47 pm

If those three boys want everyone to believe that they did to her what they had claimed in their first, second, and third version of their stories, when they were trying to smear her name, then given her character she would have had to of be drugged. I am not saying that she was though. There are different interpretations on how she looked when she left that night. Every one was just so busy having a good time, and the idea of something bad actually happening was the farthest from everyones minds. I can not really comment further on that.


#  crs on June 22nd, 2005 4:47 pm

what was up with Checkme’s last post. Checkme, give me something today - you are always right on.


# Simian on June 22nd, 2005 4:48 pm

I am here. Can’t say the things I want…


# crs on June 22nd, 2005 4:48 pm

Thanks checkme!!


#  Simian on June 22nd, 2005 4:50 pm

Some people on the other side of the pond know more than what they are saying. There testimony, there’s security footage, there are witnesses.
# Trisher on June 22nd, 2005 4:52 pm

WO!
# crs on June 22nd, 2005 4:53 pm

Sim can you elaborate anymore than that? Is this your opinion or based on something mre concrete?


# pktbk on June 22nd, 2005 4:53 pm

wow…..we’ve made more progress in the last five minutes than all week!!


#  crs on June 22nd, 2005 4:54 pm

pktbk - sim is contradicting what checkme says. Thoughts?


# ladyJA on June 22nd, 2005 4:55 pm

pktbk— where did u hear that they didnt like black or the dutch kid, b/c they seemed to hang out with him more than once.


# Trisher on June 22nd, 2005 4:55 pm

What did CheckMe say?


# Simian on June 22nd, 2005 4:56 pm

The 5th suspect has an alibi so strong that he has everybody baffled.

[MumInOhio]

Keep talking Mum...I am listening with both ears this time. LOL

Me too...darn phone ...so what do you think Simian meant by 'too difficult to post here'?

Can only be a few things...
Taken off the island
Held in a crackhouse or house
something 'bad' happened
kidnapped...per Caps
Any more

cremated ......but I'm not really here........

I hope not, but agree it is a strong possibillity. (But I did see you...LOL)

Still trying to read a little of that thread, and I think that Joran's confession was on the 16th, and the one on the 10th was possibly Satish....No more questions for Satish....LOL

[Lala'sMom]

Keep talking Mum...I am listening with both ears this time. LOL

Me too...darn phone ...so what do you think Simian meant by 'too difficult to post here'?

Can only be a few things...
Taken off the island
Held in a crackhouse or house
something 'bad' happened
kidnapped...per Caps
Any more

cremated ......but I'm not really here........

Not true Buckeye!  I am glad you are here..stick around and tell me what you think.

Actually it's hard to tell since the only thing they have been talking about is runaways and sex slavery and such.  That is why I have tried to post the more relevant posts concerning Simian's comments so everyone can give input as to what they think it means.

Cremation is just as valid at this point as any...thoughts?

[Lala'sMom]

LOL As you can see we are not the only confused posters. It's been an enigma since the very beginning. OOPS! That darn Lorenzo keeps coming up again...shucks!

#  Jake on June 22nd, 2005 4:57 pm

Sim - what is the other side of the pond? Is it a place, or is it an organization?

# ladyJA on June 22nd, 2005 4:58 pm

wat alibi does the 5ht suspect have??


# Jake on June 22nd, 2005 4:59 pm

Who is the 5th suspect? There are now 4. Who is the 5th?

# Trisher on June 22nd, 2005 4:59 pm
“the other side of the pond” - the Aruban Mafia


# Simian on June 22nd, 2005 5:00 pm

The 5th suspect was the boyfriend from earlier in the week.


# crs on June 22nd, 2005 5:02 pm

The other side of pond I assume is the us and you are insinuting it is her friends/family involved.


# ladyJA on June 22nd, 2005 5:02 pm

whose boyfriend earlier in the week??????


# Trisher on June 22nd, 2005 5:02 pm

Huh Simian?


# crs on June 22nd, 2005 5:02 pm

What boyfriend? Whose? I am confused Sim.


# Jake on June 22nd, 2005 5:03 pm

This is getting really bizarre. Who’s boyfriend from earlier in the week?


# Simian on June 22nd, 2005 5:03 pm

The party-goers said the 5th one was with them. He was the host. How could he have left?


# MOMfromMO on June 22nd, 2005 5:03 pm

Simian:
Boyfriend from earlier? Can you elaborate??

Thanx!


#  crs on June 22nd, 2005 5:03 pm

Sim - i am totally lost on what you are saying.
# Lucy on June 22nd, 2005 5:04 pm

SImian
Is #5 Van Rijn????????

[Lala'sMom]

This is interesting...I had missed it before.


#  Stefe McHearthy on June 22nd, 2005 5:04 pm

@ MOFOfromMO
And I want to say that I care about you! But you need to work on yourself! That is not easy. Nobody sais it is easy! You will receive the guidance and love you need if you step up and be honest!

Stefe.


# rem05 on June 22nd, 2005 5:06 pm

I think he is saying NH had an earlier aquaintance during the first couple of days of the trip — I think.


# Lucy on June 22nd, 2005 5:06 pm

crs
I think you blew the cover.


# crs on June 22nd, 2005 5:06 pm

Stefe - why have you gone psycho on mom, chill out.


# Jake on June 22nd, 2005 5:07 pm

This is BS. I don’t believe that NH family or friends had anything to do with this! This is not what this case is about. Stop trying to throw us off track here. The MAIN SUSPECTS and CULPRITS in this case are the ones that are in jail right now. I don’t think we should let anyone take us away from that. We heard from Country Moon that Nat and Family are really good people, and I believe it! I truly do! You can tell by all the pictures. I still believe it is Joran and friends!


# crs on June 22nd, 2005 5:07 pm

rem - you may be right.

[Lala'sMom]

Continuing....I think we should see as much in order as is possible....




#  MOMfromMO on June 22nd, 2005 5:07 pm

Stefe:

What exactly is your purpose in this forum????

No one cares what the hell you are talking about. Please stay on topic or go back to pre-school.

# Simian on June 22nd, 2005 5:09 pm

A scorned lover needs a motive? Drives some people to some crazy deeds.


# Lucy on June 22nd, 2005 5:11 pm

Was the lover on the trip??

# Stefe McHearthy on June 22nd, 2005 5:12 pm

@ MOFOfromMO
You know it is exactly on topic.
Do what you feel is right.


# rem05 on June 22nd, 2005 5:12 pm

Sim -Surely your not saying a local MT brook boyfriend would be involved in this, would you.


# Simian on June 22nd, 2005 5:13 pm

A jealous boyfriend was at home with some friends. He couldn’t have done it. Sometimes friends will cover for each other.

# rem05 on June 22nd, 2005 5:14 pm

Sim -I think your reaching


# Jake on June 22nd, 2005 5:15 pm

How could a local MT boyfriend be involved. The FBI would have cracked this case already through phone records and the internet. I don’t believe this. This is yet ANOTHER rumor!


# Simian on June 22nd, 2005 5:16 pm

He had to be let go.


# crs on June 22nd, 2005 5:16 pm

Does seem a little far fetched.


# born 2 b wild on June 22nd, 2005 5:17 pm

I love the cock fighting that goes on in this blog -complete w/razor blades attached to the spurs

We should take odds on the hour for the latest round

Right now we got Stefe in this corner and MOM from MO (the “show me MOM”) in that corner

p.s: checkme - check this


# Kristin on June 22nd, 2005 5:17 pm

COUNTRY MOON:

Thank you for taking the time to come on and talk to us. We appreciate your time, even though we can’t imagine how hard this must be for you and your community-we do understand. We all have been pretty caught up in this case, it’s tearing everyone apart. People have been listening to the news, radio and checking online forums faithfully. We all want Natalee to be safe, and we all understand that there is more to the story. As typical Americans though, we don’t understand WHY we can’t hear the truth. We know that Mrs. Twitty is keeping it together for SOME reason other than the simple hope of Natalee being alive. She has to KNOW that she is alive. Any information that we hear is helpful…and just the fact that you say OUTLOUD that there is more to the story keeps us all hanging on. It is hard to try and justify what Natalee is really like, when we don’t know her and we hear all of the rumors. It would help us all to understand MORE if we knew if Natalee has dissapeared before. But as you said, you probably can’t answer that.
I figured I would give it a shot anyways, and if you still can’t answer, I respect that.
Do you believe that she is alive but in another country?


# sunny71 on June 22nd, 2005 5:17 pm

Some insight from a local:
the coverage of this case is ridiculous, but I can understand the fixation on the ‘exoticness’ of this case, what with the weird Aruban laws and all.
Fact is, the police here has every interest in getting this thing resolved asap, if only because of the negative publicity.
The investigators screwed up in the beginning, because vdSloot Sr. is well known in those circles and they took Jr.’s story at face value at first. Understandable under the circumstances, but stupid in hindsight.
Jr. would have confessed a long time ago if he had done it. Interrogations by the local police are not a walk in the park for the suspects, as some of you might think. Aruban police knows a thing or two about pressuring a suspect.
My question is: did NH go back to her hotelroom and sneak out that night and are her roommates keeping mum about that? Just a thought.
I think Steve Croes and the Kalpoe’s should be the focus.


# Jake on June 22nd, 2005 5:17 pm

Good try Sim….I hope this story (rumor) breaks tonight. That will mean more air time for the Natalee Case!!!


# crs on June 22nd, 2005 5:18 pm

Sim - again is this your theory or something more concrete?


# MOMfromMO on June 22nd, 2005 5:19 pm

Hey Sim?

Didn’t you mention earlier that when you were ‘awaiting moderation’, that it occurred when you typed (the word for a place to gamble)???


# crs on June 22nd, 2005 5:20 pm

Kristin - Country seemed to discount that earlier that she had been kidnapped and was possibly on another island - she seemed to point the finger at Van Der Sloot.


# MOMfromMO on June 22nd, 2005 5:21 pm

Born 2 B Wild:

Now, don’t get excited. I’m not in any corner, cuz I don’t humor TROLLS for long.

Besides, I’ve already flushed him down the commode with the rest of his little ‘brown friends’.

***Whhhhaaaa-Shhhhhhhhhh***


# Simian on June 22nd, 2005 5:22 pm

This is not my theory. This is for real.


# crs on June 22nd, 2005 5:23 pm
Sim - I will give you your props if it proves correct.


# crs on June 22nd, 2005 5:25 pm

Sim - let me get this right - seriously - you are saying NH’s ex killed her on the trip and the friends are covering up that he did this? Hence giving him an airtight alibi as you say.


# Jake on June 22nd, 2005 5:25 pm

crs- can you put together a small little paragraph on the latest theory from Sim.


# rem05 on June 22nd, 2005 5:25 pm

Sim - You have lost me!!


# Lucy on June 22nd, 2005 5:25 pm

Sunny 71
I do not know if it is true, but about 12 days ago it was reported that the roomates had not worried because she had only slept in the room the first night. Did not say if she had slept at other friends’ or elsewhere.


# Kristin on June 22nd, 2005 5:25 pm

Seriously guys, what are we talking about? WHO is suspect # 5? AND, something along these lines WOULD make sense, seeing as how everyone in Aruba knows whats going on and they all seem calm about it. If Joran really did something to Natalee, you think Mrs. Twitty would be hugging his mother and being friendly with his Dad? NO. I don’t care how nice she is, she wouldn’t do that.

Thanks CRS for being so helpful.
GOD-WHAT is going on??? And WHEN are we going to find out????????????

[MumInOhio]

This exchange I have a really hard time following...LOL

What was checkme spot on about the day before?

Maybe that would help, if I knew.

Is this where posters start saying 'gotta go' when certain others log on? If so how did they know? It didn't show like on the forum and if a poster hadn't made a post yet, how would they know that they had to go! Who was pinging whom!

I'm still back on your post about them contracdicting each other, Lala's...LOL

[Lala'sMom]

#  Simian on June 22nd, 2005 5:26 pm

The alibi story is the almost the latest.

The latest is that there’s a gap in the time-line for the boys.

It is true that one of them tried to off himself.

# Midway on June 22nd, 2005 5:26 pm

Joran’s probably innocent


# MOMfromMO on June 22nd, 2005 5:28 pm

I’m outtie, folks. Have a great evening..Thank you everyone, for all the updates!!

Peace out.


# Checkme on June 22nd, 2005 5:28 pm

Simian is late with facts and wring with his speculations.


# Lucy on June 22nd, 2005 5:28 pm

Kristin
Mrts. Twiggy didn’t hug Mrs. Van Der Sloot. Mrs. Van Der Sloot kissed Mrs. Twiggy on the cheek, as she left her house.


# Simian on June 22nd, 2005 5:29 pm

I did not say an ex. Do you people read? I not into repeating myself.


# crs on June 22nd, 2005 5:29 pm

Sim - your not making any sense- on the one hand you seem to be saying an ex killed NH and on the other hand you are back talking about the boys - why would one of the boys try and kill himself if he is being framed?


# rem05 on June 22nd, 2005 5:29 p

elaborate Checkme


#  Midway on June 22nd, 2005 5:29 pm

The two security guards set Joran up


# Jake on June 22nd, 2005 5:30 pm

But who is the ex-boyfriend? Is he someone from the US, or did Natalee meet him in Aruba? Who is Van Rijn?


# Rob on June 22nd, 2005 5:30 pm

Sim,

Was this #5 perhaps someone Joran was having a confrontation with in C&C’s?


# pdl on June 22nd, 2005 5:30 pm

Mrs. Twitty after leaving the Van Der Sloot’s home said that she felt sure there would be more arrests leading me to think that she is being held somewhere by others.


# Trisher on June 22nd, 2005 5:30 pm

He said the ex was at “home.” He said the 5th had an alibi - that is not necessarily the ex.


# crs on June 22nd, 2005 5:30 pm

Checkme- that is what i figured as you have by far been the most accurate and I am with you on your theory.


# Lucy on June 22nd, 2005 5:31 pm

Checkme
Please put us up-to-date.


# rem05 on June 22nd, 2005 5:31 pm

Sim is saying that her ex’s friends had something to do with this, her ex was back in alabama, right Sim


# concerned4natalee on June 22nd, 2005 5:31 pm

DOES ANYONE HAVE A CLUE HERE?


# concerned4natalee on June 22nd, 2005 5:32 pm

WHO’S THE 5TH PERSON??

[Lala'sMom]

This exchange I have a really hard time following...LOL

What was checkme spot on about the day before?

Maybe that would help, if I knew.

Is this where posters start saying 'gotta go' when certain others log on? If so how did they know? It didn't show like on the forum and if a poster hadn't made a post yet, how would they know that they had to go! Who was pinging whom!

I'm still back on your post about them contracdicting each other, Lala's...LOL

I know, I know...I think it is about something Checkme said from another day.  They do indeed contradict each other...if you notice the posters that are in Aruba seems to trust Checkme more than Simian...go figure. LOL  It will take time, I promise to stop here in a bit and let everyone get caught up.  Just trying to get through the 5th suspect stuff.   Forgive my long posts.

[Lala'sMom]

#  rem05 on June 22nd, 2005 5:33 pm

Concerned - Ask Sim, he’s like my mom, he knows everything.

# Stefe McHearthy on June 22nd, 2005 5:33 pm

@ MOFOfromMO

Think, it is your life!
Please be blesseth!

# Lucy on June 22nd, 2005 5:33 pm

Checkme and Simian
This is it for you guys. You need to deliver something, since you have created all this expectation


# Trisher on June 22nd, 2005 5:34 pm

rem - your mom taught you well


# Kristin on June 22nd, 2005 5:35 pm

Seriously, please tell me something. PLEASE.


# crs on June 22nd, 2005 5:36 pm

Lucy - i think Sim is a long shot, this is the first day i have seen him on the boards and he has not been right so far but i would stick with Checkme.


# Trisher on June 22nd, 2005 5:36 pm

I think it’s Checkme’s turn to deliver.


# rem05 on June 22nd, 2005 5:37 pm

I agree with CRS. Checkme, where do we stand?


#  Snippy on June 22nd, 2005 5:37 pm

MOM, that was I that mentioned that gambling place called a C…just thought I’d peek in and see what the therories are now…so Sim thinks a kid on the trip did the deed? Can’t figure out for the life of me what he’s saying..SPIT IT OUT…instead of playing these word games for goodness sake.


# concerned4natalee on June 22nd, 2005 5:37 pm

????????


# Lucy on June 22nd, 2005 5:37 pm

crs
Will follow your advise. For a while I thought he was a java duplicate.


# concerned4natalee on June 22nd, 2005 5:38 pm

THIS BLOG IS ALL SPECULATION… FRUSTRATING…


# crs on June 22nd, 2005 5:38 pm

NH’s mom and Greta reminded me of Room Raiders on MTV last night, I thought they were going to throw Sr. Sloot in the back of a van for a second and try and get him a date.


# Trisher on June 22nd, 2005 5:39 pm

lucy - what’s a java duplicate?
crs - what is checkme’s theory?
Sim - what?


# rem05 on June 22nd, 2005 5:39 pm

I think I scared he/she off with the last comment directed toward friends of NH’s ex.


# TK Ice on June 22nd, 2005 5:41 pm

..been lurking for the past couple days - had no intention of posting, but these last few minutes have been like a Chinese (oops Asian) fire-drill
Reminds of an old Abbott & Costello routine:
Who’s on first? Who
What’s on second? right, what
I don’t know. Third base


# crs on June 22nd, 2005 5:41 pm

Checkme believes NH is part of a kidnapping and has been moved most likely to Columbia - he believes Joran is totally innocent - he believes the brothers and Croes to be involved.



# Kristin on June 22nd, 2005 5:41 pm

Oh and do we all remember how the aruban veteran had said that natalee’s friends and family needed to take the polygraph test, or whatever? Now some of this is starting to make sense. Maye they need to give more information now. He wouldn’t say that for NO reason.


# Checkme on June 22nd, 2005 5:41 pm

What you do with what I say is up to you Lucy. I give a finger, you “expect” a body.

Simian, a motive from Joran we do not have.

Twitty will let Joran free soon.

CRS, good hearing you again, proly because you followed my trail. I think that’s because you have read and felt what I have and tie it all together to the seemingly most likely scenario. Like Simian, I hate repeating myself.


# Simian on June 22nd, 2005 5:41 pm

Simian Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation.


June 22nd, 2005 at 5:40 pm
Simian Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation.


June 22nd, 2005 at 5:38 pm
Checkme…check this…and please recheck:

Girl comes to Aruba. Meets cool and crazy guy in C@$ino. Goes out with him. He declares that to be the case. Can’t deny it. It’s on tape. Everybody in the C@$ino knows the group of teens, they have been drinking in there for free the whole week.

After a couple of days girl meets another boy in the same C@$ino. Goes out with him. This makes first guy really mad. So mad he confronts second boy.

First guy never denies the affair. He knows they know he was with her. However, he has an airtight alibi. Some friends say they were at home with him. Until the morning.

How can this ever be solved?


# crs on June 22nd, 2005 5:42 pm

I think Lucy thought sim and checkme were the same person.


# rem05 on June 22nd, 2005 5:43 pm

Everybody including me wants to throw in 2 cents worth and hope that somebody on
the other end really has information, most times we are being deceived by speculation, that’s all it is, speculation.


# crs on June 22nd, 2005 5:44 pm

Checkme - you have not been wrong so far and I think what we have talked about to be very possible.


# Trisher on June 22nd, 2005 5:44 pm

You are both verrrrrrrrrry interesting.


# Snippy on June 22nd, 2005 5:45 pm

Sim..I get you now..THANKS…you could be right..I “See” you mentioned that dreaded C word like I did and had your post deleted…


# Lucy on June 22nd, 2005 5:45 pm

Trisher
I guess I have started to really believe that I was one more of the detectives on this case. Around 4:48 CRS asked Chjeckme if he was around. Simian said, a few lines afterwards something like I am here but can’t say everything. Out of the blues, I decided that Simian and Checkme perhaps were the same person. In computer languages, I think they call Simian a code that identifies a duplicate.

# crs on June 22nd, 2005 5:47 pm

Can someone explain to me in Sim’s theory who is guy 1 and guy 2, which is Joran?


# Lucy on June 22nd, 2005 5:49 pm

Checkme
I don’t expect a body. Perhaps a short summary of your latest discovery. Did not mean to be pushy, but just like everyone, just want your info updates to keep coming. My apologies.


# Rob on June 22nd, 2005 5:51 pm

Simian,

Hence the confrontation with Joran that the other students reported seeing at C&C’s?


# sunny71 on June 22nd, 2005 5:52 pm

so NH only slept in the assigned room with her roommates on the first nioght of their vacation? Is that correct?
If so, I’m really starting to wonder about this girl. Where did she sleep all the other nights? Did she have her bags packed the whole week, ready to leave at a moments notice?


# crs on June 22nd, 2005 5:53 pm

I wonder what crazy antics Greta and Beth will be to tonight.


# born 2 b wild on June 22nd, 2005 5:53 pm

jghfti llhjmy rhedcxedb dmcxcki fjrnrffu*n llamcd bgt fllrt gmmmm?

(another intergalactic relay - means “wheres the beef”)


# Simian on June 22nd, 2005 5:55 pm

He has an alibi. So tight. So tight.



# Lucy on June 22nd, 2005 5:57 pm

Sunny 71
She may have slept at other classmates room. If they hung around together, came to the hotel, and slept in somebody elses’s room.


# cancon on June 22nd, 2005 5:57 pm

ah wait a minute, wait a minute, having experienced this somewhat myself……

the rumour de jour is that Natalee only slept in her room one night, could it be Natalee did not get along with her specific roomates which would explain why they seemed so clueless last night on Fox, had there been some big blowout so Natalee was bunking with others????


# Checkme on June 22nd, 2005 5:57 pm

Lucy, CRS did an excellent recap for us all. Please don’t confuse me anymore with Simian. Just like van Sijn and van Rijn…

One thing I do want to repeat. It is so easy to throw mud at our authorities. Please don’t. We are all doing our best every day to have NH reunited with her family. We are not very good at the media show which is why I am also happy our system is closed while the investigative process is taking place.

I am not part of “the Aruban Authority”. Just a Human Being living in Aruba (duhhh…)

Vanessa, did you ever take a look at the links I posted for you? I send them with my warmest regards.


# crs on June 22nd, 2005 5:57 pm

Sim - i am going to have to think about this tonight and i will have some questions tomorrow morning.


# cancon on June 22nd, 2005 5:59 pm

or Natalee was having a feud with one or two of the girls and thusly purposely avoiding them, only spending the min time in the room……..


# crs on June 22nd, 2005 5:59 pm

Checkme, have a good night my friend, hope you have some more details tomorrow!!



#  Simian on June 22nd, 2005 6:01 pm

The first guy she met has all the motive. The second guy is scared shitless in a cell.

I have heard from Americans living in Aruba and and they think something completely different.


# Lucy on June 22nd, 2005 6:01 pm

Simian

Possible alibis (or alibies) for #5:
Was in jail for DUI of illegal substances
Was filming himself
Was making a delivery
Was in Curaà §ao
Was painting his truck in Savaneta
None of the above


# Checkme on June 22nd, 2005 6:03 pm

Take care, CU tmrw. Over and out.


# Simian on June 22nd, 2005 6:04 pm

Lucy you are wrong. It was just a simple party at his house. He was “the whole time”.


# born 2 b wild on June 22nd, 2005 6:05 pm

I think the entire entourage (friends,chaperones etc…) now that they are back here in the USA, should be interviewed by the FBI,especially any who were in close proximity to (or responsible for) NH. They probably are being talked to as we speak.

Oh hang on, I just got another alien e-mail (I’ll be right back to paste it)>>>

fkvlfdidddp olggmt ffpdsmvg lsmmvnfjvhjjj vofofoggoffmsdmsamxx !!!

(translation: “born 2 be wild, you are a butt wipe”)

“I tell ya, I get no respect”


# Checkme on June 22nd, 2005 6:05 pm

Lucy!!! I am starting to like you.


# Kristin on June 22nd, 2005 6:06 pm

OK so if all this is true, why did Natalee leave with Joran? Why didn’t she just go back to her hotel with her friends? AND, who’s alibi is airtight?


# Checkme on June 22nd, 2005 6:07 pm

Lucy, are you from Aruba?


# Kristin on June 22nd, 2005 6:08 pm

Simian, can you share a little more information? Are you in Aruba?
Thanks!


# Checkme on June 22nd, 2005 6:11 pm

Kristin,

Go back to the hotel? Last nite out? Party on dudess…



# cancon on June 22nd, 2005 6:12 pm

oh Kristin i am going back to the mind of feuding high school girls…..

she may have gone off with the Aruban guys either because maybe the blowout was the girls fighting over Joran, hey women are always fighting over men who are so not worth it, so Natalee was going ha ha Joran is with me beatches or she took off with them to spite them in general or because she didn’t want to be with the gang….


# born 2 b wild on June 22nd, 2005 6:16 pm

simian means ape or primate FYI


# pdl on June 22nd, 2005 6:16 pm

News is slow on Fox and CNN. I wonder if they all went home?


# Lucy on June 22nd, 2005 6:17 pm

Checkme
No, I am from Santo Domingo, but have have visited Aruba many times. Have relatives in San Nicolas. My greatgrandfaher was from Curaà §ao and my great uncle moved back there. I have great childhood memories of Aruba, the carnival, the newyears eve celebrations, etc., and also my first encounter in life with oriental and asian foods.
# Donny on June 22nd, 2005 6:18 pm

@Sim:
Is that 5th suspect with a tight aliby whose father recently committed suicide and who has had serious mental issues since?


# Checkme on June 22nd, 2005 6:20 pm

Mira, Dominicana!!! My my you have traveled much. Allow me to compliment you on your perfect English.

I have seen you a lot on this blog. Why are you so interested in this case?


# Lucy on June 22nd, 2005 6:24 pm

Checkme
First, the desperation of the mother. Then, the fact that it was Aruba. By the way, went banck about 7 years ago, and could not believe the change from oil refineries to hotel strips. Do you still call Oranjestad, Playa?

As for my English, went to school in Massachusetts.


# jon on June 22nd, 2005 6:28 pm


simian you make up more bull another lover , it seems you are just trying to start more rumors . you have no FACTS to say so you make stuff up. TO all the others ,she had no boyfriend back home. the other side of the pond , please anyone thats interested dont listen to this guy. He has no idea what he is talking about .


# Checkme on June 22nd, 2005 6:29 pm

Sigur cu si, playa a keda playa.

My first girlfriend (Colombiana) also went to school in Massachusetts… many moons ago.


# Checkme on June 22nd, 2005 6:31 pm

Jon,

Read Simian better. he did not write what you said.

[MumInOhio]

Lala's... this is the day Joran refused to talk and I cannot remember what his reason was. Something to do with Paulus, maybe to talk to his lawyer? and later on he changes his story, again. Is this the story that Satish picked him up? I think it was. So what does that have to do with Paulus being arrested. Some posters trying to put the blame on 2K though.

A couple of interesting posts by Lucy...the one about 'are you there' and a few minutes later Simian posts. Also the one about the 5th suspect....'he was filming himself'. Is thes a Brough connection to Lorenzo or my best bud Freddy?

That 'whole time' thing still bugs me.....


Still here just trying to take it all in....LOL

[memphis]

#  crs on June 22nd, 2005 4:47 pm

what was up with Checkme’s last post. Checkme, give me something today - you are always right on.


# Simian on June 22nd, 2005 4:48 pm

I am here. Can’t say the things I want…


# crs on June 22nd, 2005 4:48 pm

Thanks checkme!!

# Lucy on June 22nd, 2005 5:06 pm

crs
I think you blew the cover.



     

[MumInOhio]

Lala's...gotta go and get ready to leave...will reread when I can...thanks!

Maybe Caps will be back to enlighten us....

Where is COLUMBO?



Thanks...Memphis...had seen that a few days ago and was so busy looking for my decoder ring, that I forgot to post about it!

[memphis]

#  crs on June 22nd, 2005 4:47 pm

what was up with Checkme’s last post. Checkme, give me something today - you are always right on.


# Simian on June 22nd, 2005 4:48 pm

I am here. Can’t say the things I want…


# crs on June 22nd, 2005 4:48 pm

Thanks checkme!!

# Lucy on June 22nd, 2005 5:06 pm

crs
I think you blew the cover.

I don't think Simian was answering CRS's call to CheckMe, but I think Lucy may have thought so. Who knows? It just jumped out at me.

[memphis]

Something else I noticed....

#  Simian on June 22nd, 2005 4:50 pm

Some people on the other side of the pond know more than what they are saying. There testimony, there’s security footage, there are witnesses.

This sounds like the same BS that the VDS's were spouting on the wine-throwing TV show.

[Lala'sMom]

#  crs on June 22nd, 2005 4:47 pm

what was up with Checkme’s last post. Checkme, give me something today - you are always right on.


# Simian on June 22nd, 2005 4:48 pm

I am here. Can’t say the things I want…


# crs on June 22nd, 2005 4:48 pm

Thanks checkme!!

# Lucy on June 22nd, 2005 5:06 pm

crs
I think you blew the cover.

I don't think Simian was answering CRS's call to CheckMe, but I think Lucy may have thought so. Who knows? It just jumped out at me.

Yes, it does just jump out..that is why I felt the need to post it.  I guess you can take it many ways, I got the impression that some of these were one and the same people trying to remain incognito in all this.  Klaas has long said that several posters posted under various names at different times...whether to confuse or not is the question.

[Lala'sMom]

Lala's... this is the day Joran refused to talk and I cannot remember what his reason was. Something to do with Paulus, maybe to talk to his lawyer? and later on he changes his story, again. Is this the story that Satish picked him up? I think it was. So what does that have to do with Paulus being arrested. Some posters trying to put the blame on 2K though.

A couple of interesting posts by Lucy...the one about 'are you there' and a few minutes later Simian posts. Also the one about the 5th suspect....'he was filming himself'. Is thes a Brough connection to Lorenzo or my best bud Freddy?

That 'whole time' thing still bugs me.....


Still here just trying to take it all in....LOL

Yes, where is Capslock today?